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vilmer_
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(11-02-2011, 03:44 AM)
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Patch still not up yet. At absolute best, it's another 15 minutes.
Dresden
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(11-02-2011, 03:45 AM)
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Pyro change is FUCKING NUTS. Lol. It needs to scale or Pyromancy is now Ironfleshmancy because that's all it'll be useful for.
ixix
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(11-02-2011, 03:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dresden

Pyro change is FUCKING NUTS. Lol. It needs to scale or Pyromancy is now Ironfleshmancy because that's all it'll be useful for.

Iron Flesh is getting a nerf of its own.
Kyoufu
(11-02-2011, 03:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dresden

Pyro change is FUCKING NUTS. Lol. It needs to scale or Pyromancy is now Ironfleshmancy because that's all it'll be useful for.

Iron Flesh is nerfed too.

Goodbye, Pyromancers!

My guess is Pyro will scale off Humanity now, but we'll have to see.
MechaX
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(11-02-2011, 03:47 AM)
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Hey, we still don't know if Pyro scales with anything for its Magic Adjustment. So keep faith in FROM!

They're probably going to troll ya'll and have it scale with Resistance.

But in all honestly, that is way too low. I'd be hopeful if the 130 figure was just a typo, because that would essentially eliminate pyro gloves from play.
Dresden
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(11-02-2011, 03:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by MechaX

They're probably going to troll ya'll and have it scale with Resistance.

It'll finally be useful for something.
ixix
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(11-02-2011, 03:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kyoufu

Iron Flesh is nerfed too.

Goodbye, Pyromancers!

My guess is Pyro will scale off Humanity now, but we'll have to see.

If they fixed the Chaos pyromancies that are currently supposed to scale with Humanity but don't that might help somewhat. Doubt it would be enough, but it'd be something.
duckroll
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(11-02-2011, 03:50 AM)
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I seriously don't understand. 130 is not even like, a remotely believable stat. I'm just going to wait until the patch is actually up.
web01
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(11-02-2011, 03:50 AM)
they will probably just fix the damage scalling on ascended pyro flame
Zeliard
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(11-02-2011, 03:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by ixix

And Lautrec's, coincidentally, becomes available at the exact same time.

With Twinkling Titanite now purchasable armor sets that can't be upgraded would become totally marginalized without buffs.

Yep, beforehand the only thing that really made those non-upgradeable uniques valuable is that the better armors could typically only be upgraded with Twinkling Titanites (or Slabs).

This meant that those non-upgradeable armors had instant and great short-term value but would be outclassed in the long run, very similarly to a weapon with high base damage that doesn't scale, like the Drake Sword.

Since the process for getting Twinkling Titanites should now be much quicker and simpler, those armors have lost that advantage, and the only way to make the difference up is by buffing them. If not, they become completely trivial.
purg3
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(11-02-2011, 03:51 AM)
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my pyro, fuuuuuuck.

still no official word on 360 patch?
ixix
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(11-02-2011, 03:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

I seriously don't understand. 130 is not even like, a remotely believable stat. I'm just going to wait until the patch is actually up.

Yeah, this is probably the best course of action. I have a lot of trouble believing this and there's no point getting worked up over it without knowing the full details of the patch.
Haunted
(11-02-2011, 03:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kyoufu

Why would it? The patch isn't live yet.

Oh, it's not? So the JP server are where these report are coming from?


Originally Posted by MechaX

Wow... Pyromancy got nerfed WAY harder than I thought.

At Ascended +5, it was previously 270.

After the patch at Ascended +5, it's now 130.

Pyro users better hope this thing scales with something.




/sorcery user
hteng
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(11-02-2011, 03:53 AM)
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looks like medium shields got an all around nerf to stability, most of their maximum got decrease to 70ish. hahaha oh well, guess it makes heavy shields more viable now.
Zeliard
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(11-02-2011, 03:54 AM)
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I read the text description for some Pyromancer spell in the game. I think the basic fire spell. It mentioned that Sorcerers look down upon it for being such a simple spell. lul
Kyoufu
(11-02-2011, 03:54 AM)
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Official thread needs to be called

Dark Souls |OT3| Amazing patch ahead
Clear
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(11-02-2011, 03:55 AM)
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The only real issue I found with pyromancy is greater combustion does moderately high damage and you can spam it without concern for stamina.

Quite a few of the bigger, harder enemies in the game have a real problem with targetting you if you simply run straight at them until you are at point blank range. Instead of attacking they'll turn or jump back to try and get a clear shot - either way they are an open target.

GC when used with a maxed glove can spew out 500-600 damage 8 times over inside 20 seconds... Unless the target has fire immunity its dead before it has chance to do a thing, the fire effect stun-locks it.

Put it this way, on NG+ I dropped Capra Demon before he had chance to do anything, one of his dogs outlasted him :D
Instro
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(11-02-2011, 03:55 AM)
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Come on Dex buffs, no whammy.
elty
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(11-02-2011, 03:56 AM)
Copy from a JP BBS

STR 20 DEX 40

Before -- After -- Weapon

369 410 Iaito 居合い刀+15
378 420 Uchigatana 打刀+15
296 331 Richard Rapier リカール刺剣+15
331 370 Shortel ショーテル+15
428 482 Scythe or Great Scythe 大鎌+15
444 496 サイズ+15
343 385 Rapier or Estoc 刺突直剣+15
329 370 Scimitar シミター+14
337 379 Falchion ファルシオン+14
345 393 Painting Guardian Sword 絵画守りの曲刀+14
222 250 ??? パリングダガー+14
230 259 Bandit's Knife 盗賊の短刀+14
322 358 Whip ウィップ+14
306 340 イバラムチ+14
267 333 かぎ爪+14
318 358 ピアスシールド+14
303 340 トゲの盾+14

405 450 Chaos Blade 混沌の刃+5
519 507 Magic sword クラーグの魔剣+5
439 494 Lifehunting Scythe 生命狩りの鎌+5
237 269 Priscilla dagger プリシラの短剣+5
355 386 Silver Knight Sword 銀騎士の剣+5
346 373 Silver Knight Spear 銀騎士の槍+5
434 497 Great Lord Greatsword 大王の大剣+5
416 456 Dragon Hunting Bow 竜狩りの大弓+5

おまけ
462 457 Lightening Iaito 雷の居合い刀+4
472 467 Lightening Washing Pole (?) 雷の物干し竿+4
540 535 雷のクレイモア+4
577 572 雷のハルバード+4
682 676 Lightening Swedtersomething Greatsword 2H 雷ツヴァイ+4(両手)
Varna
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(11-02-2011, 03:57 AM)
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Any reports on weapon damage now (magic vs scaling)?

I will delete my 80 hour character without a second thought if it's much more balanced.

EDIT : ^ That doesn't seem like much of an improvement... Any penalty for elemental/magic weapons at all?
Baloonatic
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(11-02-2011, 03:59 AM)
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Interested to see how they have actually changed Tranquil Walk of Peace. At least with Pyromancy nerfed every PvP battle hopefully won't just be TWoP followed by Chaos Fireball until death.
theta11
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(11-02-2011, 03:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Varna

Any reports on weapon damage now (magic vs scaling)?

I will delete my 80 hour character without a second thought if it's much more balanced.


....Why would you delete the old one? lol
Ghost_Protocol
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(11-02-2011, 04:00 AM)
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Anyone? Ornstein's Armor buff? How do you know? What are the new stats?....
default two
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(11-02-2011, 04:00 AM)
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So Dex/Str scaling weapons don't shine until around SL100? Elementals are still best in first runs, then.
Thagomizer
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(11-02-2011, 04:00 AM)
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Gwyn's sword got a nice buff.
Baloonatic
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(11-02-2011, 04:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by elty

Copy from a JP BBS

STR 20 DEX 40

Before -- After -- Weapon

369 410 Iaito 居合い刀+15
378 420 Uchigatana 打刀+15
296 331 Richard Rapier リカール刺剣+15
331 370 Shortel ショーテル+15
428 482 Scythe or Great Scythe 大鎌+15
444 496 サイズ+15
343 385 Rapier or Estoc 刺突直剣+15
329 370 Scimitar シミター+14
337 379 Falchion ファルシオン+14
345 393 Painting Guardian Sword 絵画守りの曲刀+14
222 250 ??? パリングダガー+14
230 259 Bandit's Knife 盗賊の短刀+14
322 358 Whip ウィップ+14
306 340 イバラムチ+14
267 333 かぎ爪+14
318 358 ピアスシールド+14
303 340 トゲの盾+14

405 450 Chaos Blade 混沌の刃+5
519 507 Magic sword クラーグの魔剣+5
439 494 Lifehunting Scythe 生命狩りの鎌+5
237 269 Priscilla dagger プリシラの短剣+5
355 386 Silver Knight Sword 銀騎士の剣+5
346 373 Silver Knight Spear 銀騎士の槍+5
434 497 Great Lord Greatsword 大王の大剣+5
416 456 Dragon Hunting Bow 竜狩りの大弓+5

おまけ
462 457 Lightening Iaito 雷の居合い刀+4
472 467 Lightening Washing Pole (?) 雷の物干し竿+4
540 535 雷のクレイモア+4
577 572 雷のハルバード+4
682 676 Lightening Swedtersomething Greatsword 2H 雷ツヴァイ+4(両手)

Still seems like elemental weapons are the way to go :/
Kyoufu
(11-02-2011, 04:01 AM)
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Black Knight Greataxe buffed.

HHNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG
Dresden
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(11-02-2011, 04:02 AM)
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Guys, +15 weapons can be buffed with resin/miracles/CMW, and there aren't two resistances to go through. This is a good change.
MechaX
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(11-02-2011, 04:02 AM)
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Lightning Weapons are still on top until the SL 100+s... Meh.
ShockingAlberto
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(11-02-2011, 04:02 AM)
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- Some slight adjustments have been made to other weapons, equipment, and magic. (Pyromancer's Flame's magic adjustment)

What happened here

What did it change
Baloonatic
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(11-02-2011, 04:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kyoufu

Black Knight Greataxe buffed.

HHNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG

Seriously?! My weapon of choice on my melee character.
duckroll
mashadar's Nekomimi slave
(11-02-2011, 04:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Baloonatic

Still seems like elemental weapons are the way to go :/

There's also possible resistance changes to consider. If they rebalanced those it might even it out.
Aeana
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(11-02-2011, 04:02 AM)
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I want to hear about the moonlight great sword with high INT.
Felix Lighter
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(11-02-2011, 04:03 AM)
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The lightning weapons are still more powerful even at 40 dex? What's the point?

Edit: nevermind forgot about resin.
elty
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(11-02-2011, 04:03 AM)
- Base equip weight is now +10
- Elemental weapon - not much change
- Stat scaling weapon - increase
- Armor: no change except a few pieces
- Shield: many nerf
- Crystal ring shield: nerf
- Iron Flesh: nerf
- Great magic shield: no longer invincible
- Transquil walk of peace: swamp moving speed (?), duration down to 10 seconds
- Fog effect: can lock on now
- Anger ???
- Lightening Spear: no change
- Enemy location: some changes
- Twinkling titanite: 8000 souls, maybe limited
- Dragon head bug: gone
- some other bug: gone
- online match: no info available

キャラ装備重量上限:↑(緩和、一律+10?)
属性武器:→(変更なし)
補正武器:↑↑(補正倍率大幅上昇、一部弱体化あり)
防具:→(古スカート等一部修正あり)
盾全般:↓(受け値が下方修正)
結晶輪の盾:↓(右武器攻撃力が乗らなくなった?)
鉄の体:↓(効果下方修正)
強魔盾:↓(無敵効果廃止、本来の効果+ガード時スタミナ消費なしへ変更)
平和:↓(敵が沼程度の速度になる+効果時間が10秒位へ変更)
霧効果:↓(透明な森のキャラ→普通にロックオンできた)
怒り:→(変更なし?)
雷の槍系:→(変更なし)
敵配置:一部変更あり
光石:店売り化(1個8000ソウル、個数制限なし?)
竜頭バグ利用:消滅
ふわふわバグ利用:消滅
マッチング:報告待ち
Dresden
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(11-02-2011, 04:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kyoufu

Black Knight Greataxe buffed.

HHNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG

BEST WEAPON IN THE GAME CONFIRMED
maomaoIYP
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(11-02-2011, 04:04 AM)
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Oh my, antiquated skirt is shit now. So is Hollow Soldier Shield.

And most importantly, so is my copy of the official guide, which arrived FINALLY ON MONDAY. ;_;
MechaX
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(11-02-2011, 04:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Felix Lighter

The lightning weapons are still more powerful even at 40 dex? What's the point?

If they fixed the diminishing returns for stats after 50+, then Dex weapons would probably outrank it.

Maybe.
Baloonatic
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(11-02-2011, 04:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

There's also possible resistance changes to consider. If they rebalanced those it might even it out.

Good point, I didn't think of that. I just don't want everyone I encounter to be using lightning weapons.

Some of the rare weapons getting buffs is nice as well. Almost all of them were worthless before.
x3r0123
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(11-02-2011, 04:06 AM)
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holy crap thats a long list of changes
ixix
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(11-02-2011, 04:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by elty

- Transquil walk of peace: swamp moving speed (?), duration down to 10 seconds

If it's like being in a swamp you can roll, and that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by elty

- Twinkling titanite: 8000 souls, maybe limited

Seems pretty reasonable for it to be limited in quantity. Makes sense if the armor hasn't actually changed much.
Zeliard
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(11-02-2011, 04:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by elty

- Crystal ring shield: nerf

lol, saw that coming. Necessary, too.

Originally Posted by elty

- Great magic shield: no longer invincible

wewt

Originally Posted by elty

- Transquil walk of peace: swamp moving speed (?), duration down to 10 seconds

If it's swamp speed then you can't roll but you do have a slight run, unlike with the previous TWOP.

Originally Posted by elty

- Fog effect: can lock on now

wewt

Originally Posted by elty

- Twinkling titanite: 8000 souls, maybe limited

I think it's gonna be limited. It would be surprising if it isn't given how easy it is to farm souls.
default two
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(11-02-2011, 04:09 AM)
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Fog ring used primarily for stealth now. I'm down for some gimmick invasions. :D
web01
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(11-02-2011, 04:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Felix Lighter

The lightning weapons are still more powerful even at 40 dex? What's the point?

Edit: nevermind forgot about resin.

and lightning weapons have to overcome two defences.

This makes scalling weapons much more desirable.
elty
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(11-02-2011, 04:10 AM)
STR 50 DEX 8 INT 8 FAI 30

+4 Lightening Great Axe 364/381 -> 364/364
+5 Chaos Great Club 317+? / 317+66 -> 295+?/340+71
+5 Grant B/A/-/- 187+153/195 -> B/-/-/A 195+143/195+141
+4 Lightening Heavy Cross Bow 220/204 -> 198/187
+5 Ascended Pryomacy Flame Mag Adjust 270 -> 230

SL103筋力50技量8理力8信仰30
雷のグレートアクス+4 ---- 物理364+0 雷371+0 →物理364+0 雷364+0
神聖のメイス+9 DE-C 物理146+30 魔法180+56 
スモウハンマー+5(両手)  D--- 物理412+189 →物理450+211
混沌のグレートクラブ+5 ---- 物理317+? 炎317+66 →物理295+62 炎340+71
グラント+5 BA-- 物理187+153 魔法195+0 →B--A 物理195+143 魔法195+141 
雷のヘビークロスボウ+4 ---- 物理220+0 雷204+0 →物理198 雷187
呪術の火+5 --S- 魔法威力修正270 炎60+102 →魔法威力修正230 炎60+78
大鷲の盾+14 D--- 物理113+32 100 55 45 75 82 →物理113+30
corrosivefrost
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(11-02-2011, 04:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dresden

Guys, +15 weapons can be buffed with resin/miracles/CMW, and there aren't two resistances to go through. This is a good change.

Huh? My +15 Washing Pole was able to be buffed with CMW since day 1, I think. I know I used it on +14 Uchigatana, but I'm 99% sure I did it on my Washing Pole too.
ixix
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(11-02-2011, 04:10 AM)
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Crystal Ring Shield nerf is pretty unsurprising. It was obviously a glitch to begin with, what with the way it calculated damage making upgrading the shield itself completely pointless and all.
Kyoufu
(11-02-2011, 04:10 AM)
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Hey maybe now we can get some GAF co-op/trade sessions in.

Heck, I'm even up for some Dragon covenant duels!
scosher
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(11-02-2011, 04:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Baloonatic

Still seems like elemental weapons are the way to go :/

No, you're neglecting that that's at 40 Dex (most players cap at 50 for their main stat), Str/Dex weapons aren't reduced by two resistances, and can be enchanted with resin/Magic Weapon.

These changes would merely make elemental weapons the better option for mid-game, but surpassed by stat weapons by end game. Which is really how it should be and how Demon Souls was as well.
default two
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(11-02-2011, 04:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by elty

+5 Ascended Pryomacy Flame Mag Adjust 270 -> 230

Pyro still boss.

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