[Venfayth]

MineCON - the official Minecraft convention - was this past weekend, and Yogscast was present. Apparently they did not mesh well with Mojang.

Mojang is the company, led by Notch, who created Minecraft. Yogscast is the most popular youtube channel for many varieties of Minecraft content.

https://twitter.com/#!/notch

Drama started when notch tweeted:

notch Markus Persson I'm very sorry about the behavior of the people we won't work with any more. Celebrity or not, you don't f-bomb kids.

People started wondering what he was referring to, he confirmed:

notch Markus Persson Yes, Yogscast.

Followed by ...

notch Markus Persson Wow. Hate, insults and threats are flooding in from Yogscast fans. I'll stop biting my tongue now. Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop. They called us "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company", demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid). And they claim they're the reason minecraft is big and that we should thank them more than anyone else in the community. They're total dicks A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "fuck you" there instead. Everyone else in the Minecraft community is all about respecting and caring. They're not. They're an isolated island of egos. All this said, I'm very tired at the moment, and this will probably pass. I do like the work they do, very much.

Kinda interesting, Notch actually mad at someone.

[NihonTiger90]

He's right.

[dream]

What's a Yogscast?

[OnPoint]

Clone his game and/or steal his assets? Meh.

Disrespect his fans? Fire in the eyes.

I respect that, actually.

[buhdeh]

Clone his game and/or steal his assets? Meh. Disrespect his fans? Fire in the eyes. I respect that, actually.

I agree

[HammerOfThor]

Wait what? Who is Mojang and who is Yogscast?

[AlexMogil]

I'm lost.

[WedgeX]

Yogscast was amusing back in....april, June? What the heck happened to those guys since?

In notch I trust.

[Tenks]

Should this be on gaming side? No one here plays video games.

[Forever]

Shouldn't this be in gaming?

edit: Yep, beaten.

[Venfayth]

Wait what? Who is Mojang and who is Yogscast?

Mojang is the company, led by Notch, who created Minecraft. Yogscast is the most popular youtube channel for many varieties of Minecraft content.

Should this be on gaming side? No one here plays video games.

Shouldn't this be in gaming? edit: Yep, beaten.

Ugh, thought I did post in gaming. I'm having an off day. If a mod could move, would give them <3's.

[sixteen-bit]

I'm lost.

What are these words?

[woolley]

Here's an interview they did together at Minecon.
Part 1
Part 2

[thetrin]

Wait what? Who is Mojang and who is Yogscast?

Mojang is Notch's company.

[K.Sabot]

Not gaming, but I agree.

[NihonTiger90]

Yogscast was amusing back in....april, June? What the heck happened to those guys since?

Half their Minecraft videos turned to crap. The informational ones Simon and Lewis do are still top-notch (no pun intended), but their ones like the It's Better Together map playthrough? Where when they couldn't figure out a puzzle in 5 minutes they just used TNT to blow through to the next one? They're starting to get real lazy.

[ToxicAdam]

When insular worlds collide ...

[Striker]

I wonder which members said it?

I watch a bit of Yogscast videos from time to time, and the guys (BlueXephos and Honeydew) seem really mellow and laid back guys.

This is the channel I mean: http://www.youtube.com/user/BlueXephos

[TommyT]

Should this be on gaming side? No one here plays video games.

OT is "an isolated island of egos" so it works pretty well here...























I jest.

[Timan]

warning reddit link

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/co...am_at_minecon/

So, with this shitstorm of Notch vs. Yogscast, I thought I would weigh in my own opinion on it, such that it is. I'm not sure that an "f-bomb" is the sole reason for Notch wanting to not work with them anymore. Yogscast was invited as a special guest to MineCon and was even given their own panel. What I assumed, and what I believed that Mojang assumed when they invited them to a panel, was that they would speak for an hour (hour and a half?) about their Youtube videos, podcasts and the like. They would talk about their experiences, making videos, how they got so popular, etc. Instead, what we seemed to get was an hour of them showing videos of popular builds done using Minecraft. A whole team was up on stage and it seemed only Simon/Lewis spoke. In addition, the entire team acted like a group of self-entitled pricks the entire weekend. I worked as one of the volunteer staff that weekend and they demanded to be let in to the Scrolls/Cobalt play test area before the rest of the crowd was. We allowed them to enter for 5 minutes, as we were trying to keep to a schedule, but they created a big stink when they were asked to leave so the people who paid good money to come to MineCon could play the games too. They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world. Adding on to that, they offered to sign things for fans, in the same vein as Mojang did on Friday night. Mojang was highly classy. They talked to fans, signed whatever they wanted, and all of them, despite being exhausted, were always friendly to whatever fan wanted a word with them, even if it was just to send them away. They even signed more for the ones that were cut off in line Friday night on Saturday. Yogscast, on the other hand, passed out tickets to people who wanted an autograph during their own panel! When fans complained that they couldn't get an autograph, their response was along the lines of, "True fans would have skipped the panel to get the autograph." Finally, on a more personal experience. My friends and I entered the main hall right after the Yogscast panel to get good seats for the closing ceremony. The Styrofoam sign that said "Yogscast" that was slapped over the "Activate Minecraft" sign on the lever on stage during their panel was being removed by the stage manager after their panel, presumably to be thrown away. My friend wanted the sign as a keepsake from MineCon, and the sign was given to her. After the closing ceremony, one of their members hunted us down to get back this sign. She used to be a huge Yogscast fan, but this experience has soured her. In Short: The Yogscast team didn't appreciate the gesture that was given to them to be invited as a special panel to MineCon and they treated it with almost indifference. They acted like it was Mojang that should be appreciative of them gracing MineCon with their presence. Notch may have blamed the fallout between Mojang and Yogscast on an "f-bomb" in front of kids, but I think it was more than just that. I think that Yogscast wasn't what they were hoping they would be. Mojang should probably have reviewed what Yogscast was going to be like more than they did, but MineCon had many issues like that. It wasn't perfect, and it was a bit sloppy, but I don't think Mojang should suffer all the blame for issues with Yogscast. Just my two cents. EDIT: For those of you who want proof, the only proof I have is my staff shirt. I can take a photo of it when I get home.

[Sho_Nuff82]

There is a MineCON? Isn't the game only like a year or so old?

[S. L.]

Should this be on gaming side? No one here plays video games.

tell me more about those Video games

[HammerOfThor]

Mojang is the company, led by Notch, who created Minecraft. Yogscast is the most popular youtube channel for many varieties of Minecraft content. Ugh, thought I did post in gaming. I'm having an off day. If a mod could move, would give them <3's.

Ahh, okay. I get it now!

[Prophet Steve]

There is a MineCON? Isn't the game only like a year or so old?

It was a convention created for the "releasedate".

[apocalidiot]

Nows our chance to make real life references when a gaming thread gets put in OT, like when OT threads get put in gaming and everyone goes "lol can't wait till this game comes out!"

[Wilsongt]

Wow. Massive loss of respect for Yogscast

[Hot Coldman]

Nows our chance to make real life references when a gaming thread gets put in OT, like when OT threads get put in gaming and everyone goes "lol can't wait till this game comes out!"

FHUTA, feed it pizza, go see a doctor, obligatory bish gif, um that's it I guess

[Trojita]

I thought this topic was going to be about some kind of Nordic islands I had no idea about.

[metamonk]

that sucks. i like yogscast. i get a good laugh every now and then and enjoy listening to their commentaries. i hope the youtube fame hasn't gone to their heads.

[apocalidiot]

FHUTA, feed it pizza, go see a doctor, obligatory bish gif, um that's it I guess

yeah... you pretty much nailed it. maybe a stealth bragging reference but no one said they had sex yet in this thread

[LiK]

Notch is pure chocolate.

[The Technomancer]

Wow, they really sound like assholes.

[parasight]

Man. I was a big Yognaught, but hearing this really makes me lose respect for them.

[Akuun]

This is troubling. I follow the Yogscast on Youtube and both Simon and Lewis seem like really laid back people. I've never heard of anything like this about them.

[Entropia]

Though the accounts of what Yogscast did aren't putting them in a bright light, Notch having a public bitchfest on Twitter and airing his dirty laundry isn't any better.

[Oli]

Yogcast is pretty good. I wouldn't have bought Minecraft had I not seen their videos. They make the game look fun.

Don't have much of an opinion on the incident, whatever it is, it isn't very clear.

And might I add that it is funny how many people are jumping to conclusions in this thread. It's only one side of the story people. Don't lose respect for the so quickly. Yeesh.

[ezekial45]

Its a shame to hear this. I liked Yogscast from time to time, and they didn't seem all that arrogant at all from the videos they posted.

But yeah, acting arrogant and disrespecting to the people who've been supporting you is fucked up. I can't imagine anything more pompus and egotistical. Especially from a group that basically just posts their playthroughs of videogames.

[Zefah]

Though the accounts of what Yogscast did aren't putting them in a bright light, Notch having a public bitchfest on Twitter and airing his dirty laundry isn't any better.

I don't think this is a case of 'airing one's dirty laundry'. Why keep this private? They shit up his event after he invited them.

[akira28]

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edit: crap. already moved.

[Rapstah]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. I was subscribed to their channel long before they started doing Minecraft and watched the beginning of their Minecraft series, but as they got more "famous" on Youtube (their Minecraft series videos get like 350 000 views on the first day nowadays) they also started acting more like spoiled idiots. They haven't acted this badly in any videos I've watched, but it's a thin line and I don't think I can watch their videos now without this souring it up.

[hyp]

love the drama. smack them bitches around notch!

[Tomat]

They should have just talked about this instead of blasting it over Twitter.

[(._.)]

I didn't hear of mincraft through yogscat nor have I ever even heard of them in the first place.

[ultron87]

Notch certainly has gotten quite adept at doing stuff publicly on Twitter just to get the community on his side.

I have no reason to doubt that he is being truthful, it's just that it seems like he does this a lot.

[funkystudent]

so you could say Yogscast have been ..."puts sunglasses on".... taken down a Notch.

[Crunched]

Yogcast is pretty good. I wouldn't have bought Minecraft had I not seen their videos. They make the game look fun. Don't have much of an opinion on the incident, whatever it is, it isn't very clear. And might I add that it is funny how many people are jumping to conclusions in this thread. It's only one side of the story people. Don't lose respect for the so quickly. Yeesh.

How is any of this not clear

[Delio]

Wow,I really love the Yogscast. Followed them before they started the Minecraft vids and this is really shocking. They have always came off as really downto earth and in one video even mentioned staying later at a con signing everything. I just dont understand why it was diffrent this time.

[Gez]

How is any of this not clear

Because we haven't heard Simon and Lewis's side of the story?

[Insaniac]

shame on yogscast. I used to enjoy them, but they've slow progressively gotten more lazy in their videos in terms of the effort they put forth to be entertaining. As if they expect everything they do is just pure gold

[Akuun]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. I was subscribed to their channel long before they started doing Minecraft and watched the beginning of their Minecraft series, but as they got more "famous" on Youtube (their Minecraft series videos get like 350 000 views on the first day nowadays) they also started acting more like spoiled idiots.

How so? I started following them after they started their Minecraft stuff, so I would like to get some more perspective.