[SDBurton]

We're living in an age where you get things like Ubisoft flat out calling their customers thieving scum, and the OP is about Bethesda...? Are you serious?

I called it the moment I clicked on the thread.

[LuFel]

Crapcom you mean? :D

or CrapTroll...or anything...lol

[Mike M]

Still can't believe what a trainwreck Third Strike Online Edition was, and Capcom's continued refusal to address the fact that the options menu has no effect in arcade mode.

Can't have players changing the difficulty and round count to make it easier to unlock Gill and the dip switches when Capcom can sell those as DLC... Fucking outrageous...

[Tain]

nobody's complaining about random mammoths falling from the sky in Skyrim, guys.

Go read up on some of the PS3 issues before activating the defense systems.

[viciouskillersquirrel]

or thirteen?

Releasing a game that fans don't want and didn't ask for isn't malicious, it's incompetent. Now, it may have been a gamble that lowered the worth of their brand, but at no point could you claim that XIII was anything but a labour of love.

XIV, on the other hand, was clearly an unfinished, sloppy mess that they intended to charge people to alpha test.

[stuminus3]

Go read up on some of the PS3 issues before activating the defense systems.

I did. They're fixing it. That seems reasonable to me. I've seen worse.

[Yagharek]

I did. They're fixing it. That seems reasonable to me. I've seen worse.

How's that FO3 on PS3 patch working out for them?

[Shawsie64]

nobody's complaining about random mammoths falling from the sky in Skyrim, guys. Go read up on some of the PS3 issues before activating the defense systems.

The game has a bug which they are fixing.. OMG GUYS BETHESDA TREATING US GAMERS LIKE SHIT! Gimme a break.

If you guys are complaining about a few bugs try being a PC gamer and into simulation titles, they have major bugs due to the complicated systems they are trying to replicate but that doesn't mean they think of their customers as pieces of shit.

[Dug]

steam gets hacked, credit card info might have been stolen and they dont even send there customers a email telling them what happened. Thats pretty damn shitty. And whats even worse is they haven't sent me a DOTA2 beta invite yet.

It was Steam Forums that was hacked, not Steam. Who told you that?

[Reuenthal]

How's that FO3 on PS3 patch working out for them?

Did they say they were fixing it back then?

[Tain]

The game has a bug which they are fixing.. OMG GUYS BETHESDA TREATING US GAMERS LIKE SHIT! Gimme a break. If you guys are complaining about a few bugs try being a PC gamer and into simulation titles, they have major bugs due to the complicated systems they are trying to replicate but that doesn't mean they think of their customers as pieces of shit.

Nobody thinks of their customers as pieces of shit.

By having lingering problems in two existing PS3 releases and this game-breaking issue in the latest PS3 release, though, it's pretty clear that Bethesda cares less about their PS3 fans than developers of working PS3 games do.

Also, what simulators are universally unplayable once you've done so much in the game? What simulators have issues worse than that?

[Htown]

Ubisoft is easily the worst.

EA is also pretty terrible.

Nintendo of America have been garbage since Cammy left, basically.

[zlatko]

For as much as you guys think Capcom treats their customers like crap I don't feel the same way in regards to their products I buy, which is fighting games. I'm 80% satisfied with them when it comes to fighters, and the little dissatisfaction I have has to do with their DLC methods and the lack of focus between the teams developing fighters at the company to share things like net code architecture and features.

The worst company this generation has to be SquareEnix. The World Ends With you is their only GREAT game, and Nier as much as we liked it, was still a troll by them since they didn't even back it up with a real budget. That game was ugly as sin, and deeper wallets and more development time would have made it shine even more.

FF14 has to be the biggest bomba this generation aside from what, Too Human? Giant turd and money sink.

SE needs major overhauls. It's hard to support anything they do anymore. :/

[SolidSnakex]

Why are people looking to give Bethesda a free pass because they make big games? Many companies are making open world games now, but Bethesda is the only one that I can think of that constantly releases games with serious bugs.

[bounchfx]

Three extremely popular games. In succession. Each with the same game-stopping problem. The same problem that renders the game unplayable. And yet they continue to release the games with the same exact problem. You don't view this as a shitty thing to do?

of course that's shitty, but you're acting like they're doing it on purpose.

I have Skyrim on 360, over 70 hours into it and no technical issues whatsoever, RAGE on PC and it ran fine. can't say anything about experiences of other consoles or Brink obviously, but I've not had an issue.

and the way you explain it you make it seem like Bethesda themselves are causing the bug. If it's the 'same' problem across three different devs, that's nuts. I do think it sucks that some versions have issues but I hardly doubt they're intentional, and even more so I doubt they're drinking their champagne on bethsoft mountain laughing at all the peons. It's definitely a problem if those are occuring, but you make it sound exaggerated.

[drtomoe123]

All I ever fucking wanted was MML3.

[MrPliskin]

Don't have opressive DRM. One of the few companies that releases substantial quality DLC despite the horse armor nonsense. No bullshit pre order/online pass nonsense. Games are bound to be buggy due to their gigantic nature but they have always been diligent in patching and releasing mod tools. One of the few companies where I can pay for a new copy and feel good about my decision.]

World of Warcraft would like to say "hello" . Large and isn't a bug ridden mess.

[Yagharek]

Did they say they were fixing it back then?

Does it matter? It was full of widespread, known issues with no patch.

[J-Rzez]

Bethesda tops my list anymore. There's no excuse for them to release games in the state they do in this day and age. I feel bad for the PS3 players, it sounds like they are having an even worse experience than I am on PC. Which brings up another point, it's not just the PS3 that has issues... CTD anyone? Can you imagine if these guys made a MMO like people wondered why they haven't one yet?

Blizzard has been at the top of my list for years, but at least they have decent QC/QA on their products for the most part. But outside of that, they don't care one bit about their customers. They're more money hungry than ever, and they seemingly put forth least effort needed in new content. Where did all of that money that WoW was making go? Not back into it for sure with the limited yet often recycled content. Not into SC2 neither. I fear for D3 as par their track record with their other games, not to mention the RMAH. Titan seems to be in bad shape with one of their main guys axed.

Infinity Ward/Treyarch. Bugs, glitches, poor performance (laggy netcode, dropped games due to host leaving). Wildly successful and profitable series that doesn't see upgrades or changes in layouts that suggests that money is being put back into the games.

The interesting thing is we can target a Publisher in this, Activision, with three of those developers under their roof, making them suspect, as well as the worst publisher this gen.

SE just doesn't listen to their players, they seem to be so out of touch with what gamers want in general. It's like they're contained in an impenetrable fortress that's secluded from the outside world all together.

[Tiktaalik]

Why is everyone saying Capcom? Maybe I'm just playing their good games but I have no issues with the company.

A better target is Nintendo.

- No Xenoblade in NA
- Region locked 3DS
- No account system to handle digital purchases.

All anti-consumer policies imo.

[aerts1js]

Has to be either Capcom or Square-enix.

[Ezalc]

People are saying Capcom because they're shit now.

They killed Megaman along with many other franchises of theirs.
Killing Resident Evil.
They're releasing barebone games.
Only to announce and release literally a few months later the "definitive" version of the game.
Bullshit DLC.

The fact that people continue to bend over for this company and buy their products astonishes me.

[Anth0ny]

People are saying Capcom because they're shit now. They killed Megaman along with many other franchises of theirs. Killing Resident Evil. They're releasing barebone games. Only to announce and release literally a few months later the "definitive" version of the game. Bullshit DLC. The fact that people continue to bend over for this company and buy their products astonishes me.

Their fighting games are so good though ._.

[sleepykyo]

Why is everyone saying Capcom? Maybe I'm just playing their good games but I have no issues with the company.

Megaman canceled and blaming the Megaman fanbase for it.

Devil May Cry being outsourced to Ninja Theory of Heavenly Sword infamy.

Resident Evil game by Slant Six of Socom: Confrontation infamy.

No spectator mode in MVC3 claiming it would be impossible. Fortunately it is possible 9 months later ... in UMVC3.

Adding gems to SFxT to get a ccg feel ... and more importantly dlc gems.

Repeatedly applying the BOHICA or testing the target market.


They make great games, but they do quite a bit to antagonize the more easily agitated.

[Derrick01]

Why are people looking to give Bethesda a free pass because they make big games? Many companies are making open world games now, but Bethesda is the only one that I can think of that constantly releases games with serious bugs.

Almost no one puts out open world games with as much detail, npcs that all have schedules and many with quest scripts, and content as them. It's just not the same to expect their games bug free. To say otherwise shows an extreme lack of understanding of their games.

[Zzoram]

Bethesda isn't so bad, at least their DLC has actual content.

[Ezalc]

Their fighting games are so good though ._.

Can't say I agree with you.

[Laughing Banana]

of course that's shitty, but you're acting like they're doing it on purpose. I have Skyrim on 360, over 70 hours into it and no technical issues whatsoever, RAGE on PC and it ran fine. can't say anything about experiences of other consoles or Brink obviously, but I've not had an issue. and the way you explain it you make it seem like Bethesda themselves are causing the bug. If it's the 'same' problem across three different devs, that's nuts. I do think it sucks that some versions have issues but I hardly doubt they're intentional, and even more so I doubt they're drinking their champagne on bethsoft mountain laughing at all the peons. It's definitely a problem if those are occuring, but you make it sound exaggerated.

Complaining about bugs that render the game unplayable regardless if the game is bought full price and it happens again... and again... and again... is exaggerating. And judging how they handled Fallout 3 and Oblivion I seriously doubt that this game-stopping bug is going to be fixed regardless of what they say (and even so, they shipped the game with a game-stopping bug)

We're living in an age where you get things like Ubisoft flat out calling their customers thieving scum, and the OP is about Bethesda...? Are you serious?

My personal experience is not with Ubisoft, it's with Bethesda.

[NBtoaster]

World of Warcraft would like to say "hello" . Large and isn't a bug ridden mess.

World of Wacraft doesn't deal with nearly the same amount of npc interacting, scheduling, quest scripting, persistence..

[MrPliskin]

World of Wacraft doesn't deal with nearly the same amount of npc interacting, scheduling, quest scripting, persistence..

We can argue all day about buzz words you caught from the Bethesda hype machine, but their scale is very comparable, and Blizzard has to account for just as much going on through mobs and parties, etc.

Don't make excuses because Bethesda would rather pump out content as opposed to polishing it first.

[Derrick01]

World of Warcraft would like to say "hello" . Large and isn't a bug ridden mess.

The first year of WoW was virtually unplayable. Give Skyrim 7 years and I'm sure it'll be flawless with all the mods and patches too.

[water_wendi]

i am absolutely brutal on Bethesda but ill come to their defense in how they treat their customers any day. Not only do they not do a lot of the bullshit that modern devs/pubs do as posted above but they also do things like release their back catalog for free. They also exhibit a tremendous ability to listen to and address criticisms of their games without going the Bioware denial route. Sure, Bethesda are the masters of hype and Gamebryo sucks for huge open-world rpgs but they are very good to their customers, imo.

We can argue all day about buzz words you caught from the Bethesda hype machine, but their scale is very comparable, and Blizzard has to account for just as much going on through mobs and parties, etc. Don't make excuses because Bethesda would rather pump out content as opposed to polishing it first.

Those arent buzzwords but actual things. Theres a lot going on in Wow but its not the same kind of thing going on in open-world rpgs.

[water_wendi]

double post

[echoshifting]

It may indeed be easier to list exceptions since it's so common for publishers to treat customers as either adversaries or chattel...or both. Far and away though, the worst offender would have to be Ubisoft, one of the most anti-consumer companies in any industry anywhere on Earth.

The first year of WoW was virtually unplayable. Give Skyrim 7 years and I'm sure it'll be flawless with all the mods and patches too.

Yeah but most of those problems were server-related, so I'm not sure how it compares. And it didn't go on for nearly that long; a few months tops.

[Atomski]

EA and Microsoft double teaming with Fifa Ultimate Team account theft.

Hasnt that been proven as a social hacking? Think I remember them commenting on it on the last giantbombcast.


Also Skyrim has been a ton less buggy than I expected.. but I got it on PC. I never felt abused by them.. the game was worth more than 60 dollars in my mind.

[MarkusRJR]

Nintendo of America: I bought $200 in WiiWare/VC games and I couldn't move them over to my new Wii after my prior Wii's GPU died. They also continually fuck up on localizing games.

Bethesda: The fact they release 3 games that all have the same problem on PS3 that makes the game unplayable is just pathetic, especially considering how much money they make off their releases. I don't even mind occasional lock ups or glitches, but continually releasing 3 unplayable games for $60 and ignoring the problem while it's well known is a disgusting practice.

Capcom: Megaman Legends 3 canned while blaming Megaman fans, RE: Mercs (3DS) with an uneraseable save file, RE: Revelations (3DS) overpriced, UMvC3 released right after MvC3, DmC being made by the developer of the frame rate dropping Heavenly Sword, DRM drama, the multiple "new" SF4 games, SFvT having gems, not localizing certain MH games, and creating the monstrosity that is RE: Operation Racoon.

[SolarPowered]

Why is everyone saying Capcom? Maybe I'm just playing their good games but I have no issues with the company. A better target is Nintendo. - No Xenoblade in NA - Region locked 3DS - No account system to handle digital purchases. All anti-consumer policies imo.

Nintendo's "anti-consumer" policies are more the result of fear than they are of ignorance or malice.

Their fighting games are so good though ._.

Worth $60 a year? Sure

Worth $130(bought PS3 LE) or $170? Nah, no thanks.

[AbsoluteZero]

Nintendo of America are useless. Refused to transfer over my $400+ of WiiWare/vc titles, when I had to buy a new wii, plus the whole not giving us games that gamers want, even when they are already available in English, etc Nintendo is my favorite developer by far, but NOA is just shit.

This is my experience too - my GPU started to die, produced artifacts all over the screen. Was told by Nintendo that I couldn't take my games (or most of my saves with me). Now I have 2 Wii's - one just for VC & WiiWare, and the other for Wii games. Had to use Homebrew to get all my saves across. Hopefully this is addressed when WiiU hits.

Nintendo of America: I bought $200 in WiiWare/VC games and I couldn't move them over to my new Wii after my prior Wii's GPU died. They also continually fuck up on localizing games.

Pretty sure Nintendo transfers over the entire contents of your Wii Shop Account when you get your Wii repaired. They did for me anyway.

[rainking187]

The first year of WoW was virtually unplayable. Give Skyrim 7 years and I'm sure it'll be flawless with all the mods and patches too.

This is about companies though. I'm sure the fans will support the game for a long time, but I'd expect to see the last update from Bethesda for Skyrim sometime around the release of the final DLC for the game. If you're playing it on consoles hopefully it will fix all your issues, if not oh well.

[mujun]

I don't know understand how people can call out Bethesda just because of the PS3 Skyrim issue (admittedly it's a bad bug) and then say Capcom doesn't deserve to get called out.

They have a long history with a bunch of examples just from this year. The 3DS Resident Evil save file thing, UMVC so soon after MVC, AE so soon after Super, costume packs, the newest Dead Rising basically an expansion selling for the price of a budget HD game, etc.

[Crewnh]

of course that's shitty, but you're acting like they're doing it on purpose. I have Skyrim on 360, over 70 hours into it and no technical issues whatsoever, RAGE on PC and it ran fine. can't say anything about experiences of other consoles or Brink obviously, but I've not had an issue. and the way you explain it you make it seem like Bethesda themselves are causing the bug. If it's the 'same' problem across three different devs, that's nuts. I do think it sucks that some versions have issues but I hardly doubt they're intentional, and even more so I doubt they're drinking their champagne on bethsoft mountain laughing at all the peons. It's definitely a problem if those are occuring, but you make it sound exaggerated.

What part of game-stopping and unplayable is exaggerated? That is literally what is happening with the version.

[Defuser]

People are saying Capcom because they're shit now. They killed Megaman along with many other franchises of theirs. Killing Resident Evil. They're releasing barebone games. Only to announce and release literally a few months later the "definitive" version of the game. Bullshit DLC. The fact that people continue to bend over for this company and buy their products astonishes me.

Don't forget screwing over Megaman for a slot in MVC3.

[Yagharek]

Hasnt that been proven as a social hacking? Think I remember them commenting on it on the last giantbombcast.

Has it? They both seem to be suspiciously quiet on the matter, so until such time as more info is made available, they are fair game.

Also, a month of downtime for affected customers counts as treating them like crap by any definition.

[hlhbk]

Anyone who says Bethesda treats gamers like crap has no idea what they are talking about.

[tsab]

every developer/publisher that asks me to buy game A, so desired game B can start developmentnot always

examples:
Capcom: if you want a RE sequel on wii buy RE:4 port. Got RE:onrails
If you want a real RE buy RE:onrails. Got RE:onrails2

Ubi:
If you want a sequel to BGnE, buy HD. BGnE2 freezes development.
If you want BGnE unfreeze development buy the new Rayman.




Disclaimer: the games may not be bad and/or by worthy but this tactic sucks. Especially when the dev/pubs dont keep their promise

[DonMigs85]

Among Japanese companies, Capcom and Namco tend to abuse DLC and provide the least value.
In the US, the likes of Activision are just driven almost purely by profit.

[Tain]

Anyone who says Bethesda treats gamers like crap has no idea what they are talking about.

What are the PS3 players doing wrong? Playing too much?

[Derrick01]

What are the PS3 players doing wrong? Playing too much?

They keep buying their games when they should know Bethesda has a bad history with ps3. They put like 80% of the focus on 360 because of their relationship with MS and then port it to PC which is quick and easy.

No that doesn't excuse it but there you go. If people had followed the OT and the threads before it they would have seen me and others telling people not to buy it on ps3. Fallout 3, F3 GOTY and the DLC separately all had huge problems on PS3. Oblivion didn't because the port was done by a different dev.

[Tain]

I guess that does answer that specific, poorly-chosen question!

[Seik]

Nintendo's "anti-consumer" policies are more the result of fear than they are of ignorance or malice.

True that. At least for Xenoblade, which I adore Nintendo just for the fact that this game exist.

That goes without saying that since the Wii can't do DLC due to its limited space, we're getting complete games as soon as they hit the stores shelves! :D

...Thinking about that...I may die if I find myself downloading DLC for WiiU's next Zelda (or Mario...whatever) in a distant future. That just sounds so wrong.