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Member
(12-19-2011, 10:32 PM)
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#151
Thought I would pass along this fantastic site for some fonts.
http://www.losttype.com/browse/ Anyone else know sites like this and not so much like dafont.com? |
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(12-19-2011, 10:33 PM)
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#152
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Member
(12-20-2011, 12:41 AM)
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#153
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Banned
(12-20-2011, 12:58 AM)
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#154
Unfortunate that you're tied to the design practices of your real world where you have to sacrifice things.
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Member
(12-20-2011, 01:12 AM)
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#156
You've never done a bunch of preliminary designs and just not really liked one of them? Seems weird. I suppose I'd never put one I didn't like in a lineup outside of school where they force you to have X number of designs, but I'd still find myself liking one design more sometimes. Sometimes a design is just more inspiring. Sometimes a design just speaks to you more. Sometimes you start one or two designs and get them good and they'd work just fine. Then you start on another one and it just clicks and works on another level to you, but you still want to show all the options. I don't think that's doing it wrong.
I like that part. If that wasn't the first slide it wouldn't make sense, but I think it works really well as a quick intro. It minimizes the distractions and throws you right to where you're supposed to be reading. Then the next slide introduces the rest of the site. |
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Member
(12-20-2011, 01:44 AM)
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#157
Last edited by ConvenientBox; 12-20-2011 at 01:53 AM.
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Banned
(12-20-2011, 02:08 AM)
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#158
They hired you to do a job they can't do. They hire you for your creativity. If they are going to crap all over everything and micromanage you and second guess you at every turn to the point where you're not happy with what you give them, then drop them. Are you a design service studio or a creative studio? There is a big difference between the two and if you're the latter and not satisfied with what you're giving them, then absolutely you are doing it wrong.
Each one of those options can and should work for the final look, so you should be happy with every style. If you're not satisfied with the options you give them, then there is something wrong on your end. You like the part where the site can't be navigated because of the black background and black menu system with the black logo? Not to mention that this is a site for Interactive branding and design. The navigation is the most important part of a site. That should never go away unless the user wants it to. And the user should never want that. |
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(12-20-2011, 02:26 AM)
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#159
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Member
(12-20-2011, 05:03 AM)
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#162
actually, if all you're doing is producing designs that you like you're doing it wrong.
sometimes what the client wants is not what you prefer, it's what you can do with their vision. i've designed several things that personally, i do not find appealing, but they satisfied the client and in that regard i'm proud of the work.
that said, in a perfect world you'd be judged on what you said and your portfolio.
Last edited by John Rabbit; 12-20-2011 at 05:08 AM.
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Banned
(12-20-2011, 06:18 AM)
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#163
I said happy and satisfied with your work that you deliver to the client, not what you would like as if it's your own personal project. People who do it the way you're talking about tend to fall into a style they can't get out of and have no clue how to adapt to different styles of designing and because of that unfamiliarity, they don't like their work or what they submit. |
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(12-20-2011, 06:23 AM)
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#164
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Member
(12-20-2011, 06:27 AM)
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#165
Story of the 2 sites I did last year. One of them I just wanted to be paid for it, so I went along with it and removed it from my portfolio. The other one ended up alright, but still ugly.
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
(12-20-2011, 07:08 AM)
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#166
Anyway, sorry, just wanted to do a "I know that feel" post in here. Still subscribed, still reading, still loving what you guys do. |
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(12-20-2011, 07:22 AM)
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#167
ive just had horrible luck with two major clients this past month and ive lost so much money because of it >_<
one of them is a guy with an incredible ego. i designed a site for him but he insisted on making some changes of his own, resulting in the design looking like utter shit. the other person just keeps having random moodswings. one minute, im talking to the nicest person in the world, and then the next im being accused of fraud because they forgot the terms on the contract both of them were completely unorganized and unprofessional. i kept getting angry emails in the morning about missed deadlines when updates were sent ahead of time in both emails and basecamp. i kept my cool despite being blamed for things i havent done and personal insults. i left midway through both projects and only kept a small deposit despite doing a massive amount of work. i always hear horror stories about clients but these two were the first time i ever had to deal with this. whats worse is that they both came at the same time :( /vent. maybe ill just take it easy until the end of the year and start fresh on 2012 as im incredibly discouraged at the moment
Last edited by effingvic; 12-20-2011 at 07:35 AM.
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Banned
(12-20-2011, 08:14 AM)
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#168
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(12-20-2011, 02:46 PM)
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#169
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Member
(12-22-2011, 01:11 AM)
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#170
in fact i was emphasizing the importance of being able to design outside of a personal "style" and still satisfy the client and yourself. a good designer should be able to apply their talent to an aesthetic despite their personal feelings about it. they should be able to understand what it takes to attain a specific look (fonts, colors, effects, layout, etc) without it being something they're "used to". if anything, a good designer would welcome challenges like that.
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Banned
(12-22-2011, 01:13 AM)
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#171
You can break the "rules of design," you know, and still have a great piece of design.
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(12-22-2011, 01:20 AM)
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#173
Well of course, but I hate the notion that you have to follow all these meticulous rules or it isn't "good design." It isn't like you are going to be breaking these rules all the time and on every project but I hate by the numbers design when it becomes a habit. I find experimenting to liven up personal design so refreshing and rewarding.
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Member
(12-22-2011, 02:01 PM)
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#175
I had a marketing class where every Friday the teacher had each person bring in an ad for the class to discuss. We'd pass them forward and then he'd go through them and we would get a chance to talk about and critique each ad. For like 90% of the ads that were brought in inevitably someone would say "They need to make the logo bigger!" and for another 70% they'd say "Make the product bigger!" The few designers in the class would look around at each other confused and wide eyed as the rest of the class basically agreed that any logo should take up almost the entirety of the page. They also had some other brilliant design ideas.
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Member
(12-22-2011, 02:05 PM)
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#176
I dislike the idea of a design 'rule', unless we're talking about mechanical specifications etc.
While a grid creates a clean design, using them restricts creativity. You begin thinking where would this go rather than going in with an open mind and trying things. I definitely think that design is a talent that can be taught, but that natural designers seem to be more fluent in the language. |
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Still Alive
(12-25-2011, 03:24 PM)
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#177
So i'm no graphic designer or anything (yet?) but a FB friend approached me and asked if I could help him whip up a little logo for his startup 'firm' (music mixing).
He wanted something he could place over images (ala watermark/.png transparent bg) and professional looking with cursive.. Before he told me the cursive bit I made these; ![]() ![]() I'd like some criticism. I think it's a bit too much and not simple enough, especially with that pine logo. Also wonder if it's too much inconsistency with the 'pine' versus 'star' styles. Anyway, he requested something similar in respects to the text wrapping around/with the logo, but with a cursive font instead. Also wants some tabbaco brown/faded dark green color in there.. So I made this (hate it tbh), best I could do with the cursive shit; ![]() Advice/anyone want to take a shot? |
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Still Alive
(12-26-2011, 09:00 PM)
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#180
So.. what's the difference between typographic design and graphic design. Like the Coca-Cola logo for example, simple cursive but stylized for those specific characters/words.
Not really sure what to do since it's more typographic in nature now with him wanting simple cursive with more jazz, instead of a logo design etc. Hmm, where's graphic gaf's advice when you need it. |
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Member
(12-26-2011, 09:58 PM)
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#181
I don't have professional experience but that's my initial process for designing something for anyone. |
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Banned
(12-26-2011, 10:08 PM)
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#182
When you get into doing typography you have to think about letters functioning under different scenarios and the entire alphabet at a set. |
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Still Alive
(12-26-2011, 10:10 PM)
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#183
He wants 'fancy above all', and 'simple, cursive, professional'. But tbh cursive to me is the opposite of simplicity or professional, especially for a start up company it seems tacky. I'm gonna try to go with my gut more and give him what I think he wants rather than working off his requests, which kind of at this point are leading no where (he doesn't really know what he wants?). But seriously, thanks for the advice. :)
He saw some of my logo work on the side and knows i'm into basic PS shit (high school friends) and confronted me on FB for some help giving his startup 'company' a little p'zaaz. I'd love to study typography in the future though, i'm not even a pro at illustrator tbh. |
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Member
(12-26-2011, 10:33 PM)
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#185
Paul Rand is, in my opinion,one of the most diverse graphic designers. Having tried many different styles over the years and creating some of the most iconic corporate identities. Forget IBM, UPS, NeXT, AT&T and all that well-known stuff. Just seeing his style evolve over time is a joy. He was also as witty with copy text as with graphics/illustration. |
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(12-27-2011, 07:07 PM)
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#186
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If my BP falls below 1000 Lord Sirlin will kill my family
(12-27-2011, 07:24 PM)
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#187
That's cool. I'm out in Denver, up in Thornton, and this is what I'm picking as my major at CCD for college. I'll try to finish up my associates this year to get the Graphic's Design degree.
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(12-27-2011, 11:00 PM)
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#188
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Member
(12-29-2011, 06:52 AM)
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#189
So I've been busy lately, and haven't had a chance to contribute as much as I'd like-good conversation going on in here, though.
So, I got a dribble invite for Christmas this year. Anybody here on it? I've only published one thing so far, and I just posted it today, but I'm not really following anyone, so if you're on there, let me know, and I'll follow you: http://dribbble.com/blackartdirector |
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Still Alive
(01-01-2012, 01:28 PM)
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#191
![]() And then this, since he had to cling on to the productions text; ![]() Nothing too great, but I like how it turned out personally. Thoughts? (PS. For a watermark, I just made something simple for him to use instead; http://f.cl.ly/items/3P100v1l1J0s2e2...termark_B2.png) also, I know this is barely graphic design or even typographic design but i'll post it here regardless. :p |
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Junior Member
(01-05-2012, 04:33 AM)
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#192
So what are the best things to include in a resumé when applying for design jobs? How many pieces of work is a good number, is it a good idea to include things like backup sketches or school grades, should stuff like old non-design-related jobs eg. retail be included?
I had one art director guy tell me not to bother with a work history if it wasn't design related and to include more stuff that showed what I was like as a person eg. photos, a big cover letter etc. But that seems to go against what I've learnt from other people and experience finding work in the past. |
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(01-05-2012, 05:21 AM)
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#193
Personally, I included my previous jobs for a while when I didn't have experience in an actual place. I didn't get many callbacks. I doubt this was because I included those, but more because I didn't have enough experience doing design full time. Now that I'm at a place I can list off a few things I've done and I cut out the rest of my experience altogether. It hasn't hurt me one bit, since I'm getting way more callbacks now. So if you have some freelance things ,and you've worked somewhere, skip the retail experience. So, basically send a nice cover letter where you mention your skills and a bit about what you're like and why you should get this job, then a one page resume listing what you've done design wise with a reference to your portfolio in a spot that it can be easily accessible would be best. |
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Member
(01-05-2012, 08:10 PM)
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#195
or if someone could invite me to dribble i could invite him/her to forrst. Because i still don´t know how to get invited to dribble? |
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(01-05-2012, 09:03 PM)
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#196
I totally lucked into my Dribbble invite. I've connected with a bunch of designers on Twitter and Facebook, and one of them offered up one of their invites on Facebook at almost the exact time I logged in.
If I get any invites once I'm more active on the site, I'll be sure to share them here, if anyone's interested. |
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(01-06-2012, 03:28 AM)
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#197
I just joined forrst and put up my nutella graphic... turns out a member on the site saw it on spreadshirt and let me know. Someone stole me design and has been selling it for 20 bucks a shirt...
Sent an email to spreadshirt to immediately take it down. *sigh* |
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Member
(01-07-2012, 10:35 PM)
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#199
haha turns out the poster on forrstr was me. Design world - so small :D
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Member
(01-08-2012, 06:18 PM)
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#200
Can anybody recommend a book (or site) on layout? Something with an emphasis on arranging text with illustrations. I'm a fan of Tum Muller's work, especially the stuff he does with Ashley Wood:
![]() Also something for poster designs, I assume they have their own 'language' for design? I'd love to know why the arrangement of text on something like this works:
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