[DieH@rd]

22.december for 7970... thats exactly one week from now. Hopefully some site will release benches before that.

[Miizy F Baby]

As someone who's getting ready to piece his first build in a long ass time together in late Jan, is there any chance that a variant will launch for $300~ that outdoes an overclocked 560Ti (448)? I've always preferred ATI/AMD, so it'd be nice were that to be the case.

[DieH@rd]

As someone who's getting ready to piece his first build in a long ass time together in late Jan, is there any chance that a variant will launch for $300~ that outdoes an overclocked 560Ti (448)? I've always preferred ATI/AMD, so it'd be nice were that to be the case.

7950 is supposedly still launching on Jan 9. Wait for the benches.

[artist]

As someone who's getting ready to piece his first build in a long ass time together in late Jan, is there any chance that a variant will launch for $300~ that outdoes an overclocked 560Ti (448)? I've always preferred ATI/AMD, so it'd be nice were that to be the case.

Late Jan?

If the 7950 is really custom to AIB partners, then we might see it drop in price sooner than later. Also Feb is Pitcairn (7800 series) that is supposedly Cayman on steroids and should be in the $200-300 category. Nvidia might also have their Kepler performance part ready in early Q2.

[disap.ed]

Looks promising.

I am hoping for something like 6870 performance with =< 100W power draw for setting up a HTPC.

[DieH@rd]

Looks promising. I am hoping for something like 6870 performance with =< 100W power draw for setting up a HTPC.

7850 [20nm shrink of 6950] will supposedly have 90W draw. And that's more powerfull than 6870. :)

[Miizy F Baby]

Thanks for the answers, guys. If the 7950 is hitting in Jan, I'll definitely wait for its benches before I make any moves.

[disap.ed]

7850 [20nm shrink of 6950] will supposedly have 90W draw. And that's more powerfull than 6870. :)

[28nm shrink I guess]

Too good to be true...

[StevieP]

7850 [20nm shrink of 6950] will supposedly have 90W draw. And that's more powerfull than 6870. :)

Those leaked TDP specs were fake. It'll be higher.

[artist]

From the tessellation perfomance numbers, we get an average performance improvement of 78% :o

[Rabid Wolverine]

7970 is looking like a beast. Great balance between power and efficiency.

Was gonna wait for Kepler but fuck it. If its good im going for it.

<3w idle - wow wow if true.

[artist]

7970 is looking like a beast. Great balance between power and efficiency. Was gonna wait for Kepler but fuck it. If its good im going for it. <3w idle - wow wow if true.

That slide is real so o_O

AMD is really pushing the TDP envelope on the other side. This with their aggresive PoweTune means their chips can have a very controlled TDP for app specific and custom workloads. No one the console giants are going with them more often that not ..

[Smokey]

Is this really happening?

Is the for real info starting to leak out?

[artist]

Is this really happening? Is the for real info starting to leak out?

INCEPTION

*BWAM*

[Hazaro]

I'm still dubious of those slides and reflective real world performance. Also movement forward of release.
Current GPU idle's are already really low, but I guess it reflects the more mobile focus so that is good.

[DieH@rd]

INCEPTION *BWAM*

http://inception.davepedu.com/

[Hazaro]

XT 40CU/2560SIMD 港币定价$4299；PRO 36CU/2304SIMD 港币定价$3299。 XT 40CU/2560SIMD price HK $ 4299; PRO 36CU/2304SIMD price HK $ 3299. XT两个BIOS文件不一样，频率和TDP官方欠奉，但不会低于250W。 XT BIOS file is not the same two, frequency and TDP government is lacking, but not less than 250W. PRO非公版有频率上限，否则不予批准上市。 PRO version has non-public upper frequency limit, or not approved for marketing. 原厂卡数量极其稀少，AIB众表示压力山大，发布初期大陆能拿到零售卡的童鞋都是折翼的天使 Original card number is extremely rare, AIB said public pressure Alexander, the mainland will get the early release of children's shoes are retail cards angel wings

aka about
7970 $550 US 7950 $425 US

Sounds more like it to me.

[Zombie James]

All slides here, a shitton of them. Total info blowout lulz. http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=slides0vka9.png Also exciting news, 7970 launch moved up to Dec 22!!!! Nice, just one week away! Since when was a video card launch ever moved UP lol. http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-brin...011/14255.html

Is there place to look at the actual slides instead of one picture of tiny slides?

[nextgeneration]

aka about 7970 $550 US 7950 $425 US Sounds more like it to me.

Hmm, if it's really $550 for a 7970, two of those are going to run well beyond $1k. Ouch.

[RukusProvider]

the mainland will get the early release of children's shoes are retail cards angel wings

Finally! I was waiting for this day!

[Corky]

How much was the 580 at launch? usd...

[BoobPhysics101]

If this isn't a paper launch on December 22nd, gonna try to snag a 7950. Total should come out to $450~ if the Chinese are to be believed.

[Hazaro]

Hmm, if it's really $550 for a 7970, two of those are going to run well beyond $1k. Ouch.

Well if it's faster than a 580 and AMD has time to milk sales from enthusiasts before the 6xx series, why not right?

How much was the 580 at launch? usd...

$499 iirc

[Corky]

Well if it's faster than a 580 and AMD has time to milk sales from enthusiasts before the 6xx series, why not right? $499 iirc

Ah ok, so a 7970 is going to retail for an msrp of roughly 800 dollars here then.

[nextgeneration]

Well if it's faster than a 580 and AMD has time to milk sales from enthusiasts before the 6xx series, why not right?

If the power is close to two 6970's, then price is justified. Let's hope it comes close to two 6970's.

[derFeef]

AMD tends to price their cards according to the performance, so I suspect it's quite good. Uhm, yeah, let's not talk about those 2000 series... ;)

[StevieP]

If the power is close to two 6970's, then price is justified. Let's hope it comes close to two 6970's.

LOL

[nextgeneration]

LOL

I'm assuming you're LOL because it's not likely to come close in power to two 6970's?

[Hazaro]

I'm assuming you're LOL because it's not likely to come close in power to two 6970's?

Correct.
Expect something near a 40% boost on the optimistic side imo.

[nextgeneration]

Correct. Expect something near a 40% boost on the optimistic side imo.

Yeah, that's just wishful thinking on my part. :D Most likely not happening, but wouldn't it be something if it did? ;)

[Hazaro]

Yeah, that's just wishful thinking on my part. :D Most likely not happening, but wouldn't it be something if it did? ;)

Yeah. But no chance in hell it's happening. None. None.

GPU speed gains have been pretty sad. Features and lower power and lower idle are all fantastic and make more sense based on the market, but I want some screaming fast cards dammit.

[StevieP]

Yeah, that's just wishful thinking on my part. :D Most likely not happening, but wouldn't it be something if it did? ;)

40% is even optimistic

[BurntPork]

Correct. Expect something near a 40% boost on the optimistic side imo.

You call 40% optimistic? what's realistic to you, then?

[StevieP]

You call 40% optimistic? what's realistic to you, then?

20%

[squidyj]

Yeah. But no chance in hell it's happening. None. None. GPU speed gains have been pretty sad. Features and lower power and lower idle are all fantastic and make more sense based on the market, but I want some screaming fast cards dammit.

GPU speed gains have been sad because of the delay and ultimate drop of 32nm and the delay of 28nm processing.

[Cow Mengde]

3w during idle!?! Holy shit man!

[iamshadowlark]

Yeah. But no chance in hell it's happening. None. None. GPU speed gains have been pretty sad. Features and lower power and lower idle are all fantastic and make more sense based on the market, but I want some screaming fast cards dammit.

Why if you don't mind me asking? The software that takes advantage of such power is in the vast minority and that probaly won't change till next-gen of consoles. Is more fps and resolution really that important?

[Fallout-NL]

Why if you don't mind me asking? The software that takes advantage of such power is in the vast minority and that probaly won't change till next-gen of consoles. Is more fps and resolution really that important?

Those two are pretty much all that's important when you're in the market for these cards.


Also, you want some room to breathe. It'd be great if the card would allow you at least a year or two of worry free gaming. I fucking hate it when my FPS dips. Cant stand it.

[BurntPork]

20%

So, with a 30% die shrink, a new architecture, 33% more SPUs, and 50% more memory bandwidth, we're only going to get 20% more performance? That's pessimistic, not realistic. if that's the best AMD can do, it's time for them to throw in the towel. 30% should be the minimum to expect. Anything less, and we're looking at another Bulldozer. I'd say that 33-40% is realistic and 50% is optimistic. Is this crazy low expectation because it's AMD?

[iamshadowlark]

Those two are pretty much all that's important when you're in the market for these cards. Also, you want some room to breathe. It'd be great if the card would allow you at least a year or two of worry free gaming. I fucking hate it when my FPS dips. Cant stand it.

I just can't rationalize spending the money for those reasons. I won't be a pc gamer till shit changes.

[tokkun]

So, with a 30% die shrink, a new architecture, 33% more SPUs, and 50% more memory bandwidth, we're only going to get 20% more performance? That's pessimistic, not realistic. if that's the best AMD can do, it's time for them to throw in the towel. 30% should be the minimum to expect. Anything less, and we're looking at another Bulldozer. I'd say that 33-40% is realistic and 50% is optimistic. Is this crazy low expectation because it's AMD?

The thing is that even if they have a part that can do +50%, there is not a lot of incentive for them to put it out now, unless they plan on charging a very high price.

If they think people will pay $500 for +30%, then they will release the slower version and take advantage of better yields, and sit on the +50% version until Nvidia launches their competition.

[Slayer-33]

My PC cock is ready!


GOD DAMMIT PC GAMING WHY ARE YOU SO TEMPTING!

[Hazaro]

I just can't rationalize spending the money for those reasons. I won't be a pc gamer till shit changes.

Speed at the top end affects lower end parts as well. I mean a $80 card today (4850) still does fantastic at 1080p if you can find it in stock. A 6850 or GTX 460 at $130 is GREAT.

While you are right that there isn't as much drive to use more power, just having it alone should be incentive for people to plan and make use of where it can be expected to be later.
Lower power draw isn't going to be advancing any graphics technology in games.

[artist]

The thing is that even if they have a part that can do +50%, there is not a lot of incentive for them to put it out now, unless they plan on charging a very high price. If they think people will pay $500 for +30%, then they will release the slower version and take advantage of better yields, and sit on the +50% version until Nvidia launches their competition.

Bingo.

[Shanadeus]

"GCN"
"28NM"
"December 22nd, 2011"

Yep, these cards will give us a pretty good idea of what the Wii U will be capable of when released next year.

[Rufus]

Oh ffs.

[kamspy]

As someone who's getting ready to piece his first build in a long ass time together in late Jan, is there any chance that a variant will launch for $300~ that outdoes an overclocked 560Ti (448)? I've always preferred ATI/AMD, so it'd be nice were that to be the case.

I'd rec the 560Ti 448 over any AMD part. Change your preference Miri. :p

[BoobPhysics101]

So, with a 30% die shrink, a new architecture, 33% more SPUs, and 50% more memory bandwidth, we're only going to get 20% more performance? That's pessimistic, not realistic. if that's the best AMD can do, it's time for them to throw in the towel. 30% should be the minimum to expect. Anything less, and we're looking at another Bulldozer. I'd say that 33-40% is realistic and 50% is optimistic. Is this crazy low expectation because it's AMD?

I'm expecting 50-70%. Anyone expecting 20% is ignorant. Anyone that sees the bolded above and expects less than 50% is fucking crazy. :P

The thing is that even if they have a part that can do +50%, there is not a lot of incentive for them to put it out now, unless they plan on charging a very high price. If they think people will pay $500 for +30%, then they will release the slower version and take advantage of better yields, and sit on the +50% version until Nvidia launches their competition.

Because it's been over a year since they released the current gen cards. It's time. They're going to put it out now because they want more market share, they want to be #1, and they want their flagship cards out kicking Nvidia's ass as early as possible.

[tokkun]

I'm expecting 50-70%. Anyone expecting 20% is ignorant. Anyone that sees the bolded above and expects less than 50% is fucking crazy. :P Because it's been over a year since they released the current gen cards. It's time. They're going to put it out now because they want more market share, they want to be #1, and they want their flagship cards out kicking Nvidia's ass as early as possible.

What you say is certainly not impossible, but it's not a strategy either company has used in recent years.

Regarding the comment that 33% more processors and 50% more bandwidth clearly equals > 50% performance increase, you may want to spend some time investigating Amdahl's Law.

[Hazaro]

I'm expecting 50-70%. Anyone expecting 20% is ignorant. Anyone that sees the bolded above and expects less than 50% is fucking crazy. :P

I'll be crazy ignorant in my corner over here then.
My 40% comment was in relation to a 580 btw. Dunno if that means I get to leave the corner or not.