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gatti-man
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(04-23-2012, 04:25 PM)
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Everyone wants f2p because gamers are cheap news at 11.
Fixed1979
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(04-23-2012, 04:28 PM)
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I logged on for the first time in a few weeks yesterday and was completely lost. I never bothered trying to keep up with the new patching. Need to do some serious reading to see what the hell is going on, I just wanted to play for an hour or so, but spent the whole time looking at the skill tree trying to figure out where to put my points...I even thought about rolling a new toon just so I could figure it out as I went along.
CzarTim
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(04-23-2012, 05:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heysoos

What's with the SWTOR topics in the gaming forum lately? It's like people don't even try to read what the article they posted and jump into overly sensationalist titles/first post. Hell even admits to it in the same thread by calling it spin.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471311
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bi...g-in-to-swtor/

It's like having SWTOR not fail hurts them for some reason. So weird.

I had to stop reading those threads, it was making me so mad. If you don't like the game, that's fine, but people who want the game to fail baffles me.
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(04-23-2012, 05:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by CzarTim

I had to stop reading those threads, it was making me so mad. If you don't like the game, that's fine, but people who want the game to fail baffles me.

People who want the game to fail were probably those who felt burned by paying for an alpha test.

To be honest, I don't really blame them.
Draxal
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(04-23-2012, 06:05 PM)

Originally Posted by Izayoi

People who want the game to fail were probably those who felt burned by paying for an alpha test.

To be honest, I don't really blame them.

No, I'm pretty sure most of them never even tried it out, by reading their comments.

As an aside, how close are we to have a new OT? At this point I would kinda like having the OT updated.
CzarTim
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(04-23-2012, 06:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Draxal

No, I'm pretty sure most of them never even tried it out, by reading their comments.

As an aside, how close are we to have a new OT? At this point I would kinda like having the OT updated.

PM Billy with changes, he'll update. New thread after page 200
Draxal
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(04-23-2012, 06:12 PM)

Originally Posted by CzarTim

PM Billy with changes, he'll update. New thread after page 200

200 pages in how many posts per page?

And I really wouldn't want to update ot myself, as I'm one of the biggest critics of the game still posting in the thread.
Miletius
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(04-23-2012, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heysoos

What's with the SWTOR topics in the gaming forum lately? It's like people don't even try to read what the article they posted and jump into overly sensationalist titles/first post. Hell even admits to it in the same thread by calling it spin.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471311
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bi...g-in-to-swtor/

It's like having SWTOR not fail hurts them for some reason. So weird.

Welcome to liking an MMO on Neogaf? All MMO's get the same treatment until they go (if they go) F2P. Just get used to it because it'll never get better. You just learn to ignore the threads or read it with a bit of amusement. Not saying that people don't have legit opinions to discuss in there but a lot of it is just baiting or whining.
Last edited by Miletius; 04-23-2012 at 06:15 PM. Reason: Edit for a bit of post expansion.
Moaradin
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(04-23-2012, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Draxal

200 pages in how many posts per page?

And I really wouldn't want to update ot myself, as I'm one of the biggest critics of the game still posting in the thread.

100 per page.
CzarTim
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(04-23-2012, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Draxal

200 pages in how many posts per page?

And I really wouldn't want to update ot myself, as I'm one of the biggest critics of the game still posting in the thread.

At 100 per page (2 more to go)
FLEABttn
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(04-23-2012, 06:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by BattleMonkey

Most stuff on the AH is cheap and often better than quest rewards. Players spend more money on training and crafting than buying new gear generally. My recent alt bought 4 pieces of new gear on the AH last night for less than the training of a single skill upgrade at lvl 40. Being geared is far more useful for speeding up and making the leveling process smooth.

What makes players poor is the ridiculous costs of leveling up your skills and especially speeder training. Level up and you suddenly got to pay 70k on upgrading a couple skills.... lame.

If the lowbie gear is cheap...then the "damage" done to the market for that gear is minimal. Especially given how much in daily commendations it costs to buy the things. It's not like the market for the things vanish. If someone spends a month to get legacy gear for a single one of their alts, I don't see why they should be punished by not having it scale. As the gear currently is, it's worthless.
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I feel bad because it's CAD, but it is actually funny for once
Isaccard
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(04-23-2012, 07:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by BattleMonkey

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I feel bad because it's CAD, but it is actually funny for once

Priceless.
gatti-man
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(04-23-2012, 07:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Izayoi

People who want the game to fail were probably those who felt burned by paying for an alpha test.

To be honest, I don't really blame them.

Get real. Swtor at launch was still a good experience. It was better than most retail mmo launches obviously better than an alpha and better than a beta.
GungHo
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(04-23-2012, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by DrBo42

Are healer operatives viable in PVP/PVE or should I just stick to the middle tree?

They're painful to level in PVE solo because your DPS companions kinda suck and because you can't attack "through" your ally for target of target. You end up hitting tab then shooting then f1 f1 to heal, ad infinitim. If you could re-order or provide priority to their powers (rather than just "use or don't use), it might be better. It does give you an excuse to go back to using cover and snipe, though, because there's no point in trying to run up and stab people.

Originally Posted by Izayoi

People who want the game to fail were probably those who felt burned by paying for an alpha test.

Do you know what an alpha test is? Or does it just sound like one worse than a beta test?
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Izayoi
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Originally Posted by gatti-man

Get real. Swtor at launch was still a good experience. It was better than most retail mmo launches obviously better than an alpha and better than a beta.

Originally Posted by GungHo

Do know what an alpha test is? Or does that just sound like one worse than a beta test?

I'm well aware of what an alpha test is. You'd think bugs that prevent you from completing a raid would be stamped out before beta, even. I alpha tested for LoTRO and all of the fights and mechanics worked long before there were even proper models for bosses, or textures for the room. How do you explain that? SWToR's launch was sloppy, the game was rushed out the door, you can't deny that.
Milly79
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(04-23-2012, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Izayoi

I'm well aware of what an alpha test is. You'd think bugs that prevent you from completing a raid would be stamped out before beta, even. I alpha tested for LoTRO and all of the fights and mechanics worked long before there were even proper models for bosses, or textures for the room. How do you explain that? SWToR's launch was sloppy, the game was rushed out the door, you can't deny that.

...and we're off!
markatisu
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(04-23-2012, 08:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by gatti-man

Everyone wants f2p because gamers are cheap news at 11.

Pretty much

I always find that hilarious though because people love wanting f2p and then do not realize they will probably spend more money over the f2p option then just subbing.

Not to mention the f2p option just begs developers to nickel and dime people to death. People think day of release DLC or cutting the story out and making it DLC is bad, its essentially what happens in f2p MMO's.
Isaccard
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(04-23-2012, 08:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by markatisu

Pretty much

I always find that hilarious though because people love wanting f2p and then do not realize they will probably spend more money over the f2p option then just subbing.

Not to mention the f2p option just begs developers to nickel and dime people to death. People think day of release DLC or cutting the story out and making it DLC is bad, its essentially what happens in f2p MMO's.

I feel like F2P brings down the quality of a title. I quit my last MMO (DC Universe Online) when they announced F2P. =/
markatisu
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(04-23-2012, 08:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Isaccard

I feel like F2P brings down the quality of a title. I quit my last MMO (DC Universe Online) when they announced F2P. =/

I think it helps in some cases and hurts in others, Star Trek online is much better now that is F2P but they make you buy everything.

I only payed for DC Online for a month or so before quitting, it went to F2P and that can't even get me to log in after the novelty of the DLC went away.
Anoregon
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(04-23-2012, 08:16 PM)
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DDO going F2P saved it from from going under and basically made it a far better game. But it's really the only shining example I can think of where F2P resulted in a total turn around in both game health/population and content.
Cystm
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(04-23-2012, 08:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Draxal

No, I'm pretty sure most of them never even tried it out, by reading their comments.

As an aside, how close are we to have a new OT? At this point I would kinda like having the OT updated.

It's done, just waiting on the 20k post mark.
aett
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(04-23-2012, 08:30 PM)
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Last day of the plague... I hope I can sell my remaining DNA samples at a decent price, and if not I'll buy a color crystal and hope to sell that later.
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(04-23-2012, 08:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heysoos

What's with the SWTOR topics in the gaming forum lately? It's like people don't even try to read what the article they posted and jump into overly sensationalist titles/first post. Hell even admits to it in the same thread by calling it spin.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471311
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bi...g-in-to-swtor/

It's like having SWTOR not fail hurts them for some reason. So weird.

NeoGAF dislikes anything MMO. If something is announced as one it's filled with moaning and groaning. It's not surprising. Add that plus the hate for anything BioWare/EA and this is what you end up with.

Whenever I see threads like that I just either ignore them or skim through them for amusement. You always get the crowd of people who post "herp derp EAWare lolololo" and fill the thread with 4chan crap.
Cystm
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(04-23-2012, 08:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by aett

Last day of the plague... I hope I can sell my remaining DNA samples at a decent price, and if not I'll buy a color crystal and hope to sell that later.

Oh, fuck me. Been so busy with work/DIABLO III BETA, I have not had time to grind those samples. I am going to have to pay out the ass today to get my crystal, and pet.
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Trouble
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(04-23-2012, 08:40 PM)
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White and Red Rakling pets
3 Green-Black crystals (+41 Expertise/Crit/Power)
Title for downing the 3 world bosses
Full containment officer gear set (just need to get the belt tonight)

I think I've done everything there was to do for this event.
Moaradin
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(04-23-2012, 08:42 PM)
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Those threads make my head hurt.
Draxal
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(04-23-2012, 08:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Trouble

White and Red Rakling pets
3 Green-Black crystals (+41 Expertise/Crit/Power)
Title for downing the 3 world bosses
Full containment officer gear set (just need to get the belt tonight)

I think I've done everything there was to do for this event.

All 8 companion customizations (and pray to the rng gods).
Gvaz
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(04-23-2012, 08:49 PM)
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If the company is doing anything and everything to keep players logged in, it sounds like the game isn't doing that great, which means there's something fundamentally wrong with the game.

Logically then, SWTOR sucks.

game set match

Anyways, I'm really pissy you can buy the crystals with credits instead of having to get it the long way
Cystm
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(04-23-2012, 09:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gvaz

If the company is doing anything and everything to keep players logged in, it sounds like the game isn't doing that great, which means there's something fundamentally wrong with the game.

Logically then, SWTOR sucks.

game set match

Sure, it sounds like that....

If you are a fucking reddit zombie. Keep your bullshit in the bullshit thread, please.

Originally Posted by Gvaz

Anyways, I'm really pissy you can buy the crystals with credits instead of having to get it the long way

Yeah, they should make all new content require little to no effort to obtain. That'll work out well.

You should check these out:


Hope they help.
Trouble
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(04-23-2012, 09:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Draxal

All 8 companion customizations (and pray to the rng gods).

Oh yeah forgot about that. I just wanted it for Tharan, and I got it on the first roll. :D
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(04-23-2012, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gvaz

Anyways, I'm really pissy you can buy the crystals with credits instead of having to get it the long way

I think they are still trying to find ways to have ppl drain all those credits that where injected at launch via the stack-selling bug,
and then by the 24/7/5 accounts ppl that abused the slicing skill (killing it for the rest of us, honest folks).

That's one of the reason so many things cost millions of credits imho.
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CzarTim
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(04-23-2012, 09:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Francois424

I think they are still trying to find ways to have ppl drain all those credits that where injected at launch via the stack-selling bug and then by the 24/7/5 accounts ppl that abused the slicing skill (killing it for the rest of us, honest folks).

That's one of the reason so many things cost millions of credits imho.

Or they are just trying to get a handle on inflation -- which fucks up pretty much every MMO economy after a while.
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(04-23-2012, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Francois424

I think they are still trying to find ways to have ppl drain all those credits that where injected at launch via the stack-selling bug and then by the 24/7/5 accounts ppl that abused the slicing skill (killing it for the rest of us, honest folks).

That's one of the reason so many things cost millions of credits imho.

Well if they were too cheap, people would have bought every single legacy unlock in the first week. It's a time sink, they want people to have incentives to play as with all things MMO.
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(04-23-2012, 10:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by CzarTim

Or they are just trying to get a handle on inflation -- which fucks up pretty much every MMO economy after a while.

Inflation which is a product of economic systems that don't make any sense. Every MMO should have an EVE online like realistic system (if we forget inexausthible mineral sources, lack of food and before the next patch, loot producing more minerals than mining...).

Don't mind me.
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Originally Posted by Woorloog

Inflation which is a product of economic systems that don't make any sense. Every MMO should have an EVE online like realistic system (if we forget inexausthible mineral sources, lack of food and before the next patch, loot producing more minerals than mining...).

Don't mind me.

No arguments here.
Heysoos
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(04-23-2012, 11:59 PM)
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This game has a really horrible habit of fucking kicking me out of winning Warzones. It's gotten to the point where it actually does it often enough to piss me off. It's not THAT often, but I always expect it to happen 2-3 times everyday during Warzones. It's ALWAYS during the ones I'm winning too. This is the ONLY game where I get kicked from servers. Never have had a problem with my connection (Road Runner) on Xbox Live, PSN, or other PC games. Just this ONE. It's really pissing me off. Anyone else experience this?
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(04-24-2012, 12:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Heysoos

This game has a really horrible habit of fucking kicking me out of winning Warzones. It's gotten to the point where it actually does it often enough to piss me off. It's not THAT often, but I always expect it to happen 2-3 times everyday during Warzones. It's ALWAYS during the ones I'm winning too. This is the ONLY game where I get kicked from servers. Never have had a problem with my connection (Road Runner) on Xbox Live, PSN, or other PC games. Just this ONE. It's really pissing me off. Anyone else experience this?


Happened to me once on the 3 PvP matches I played. It was a Huttball and I got kicked litteraly 10sec before the match was won. I've not tried PvP matches since tho.
TomcatTheLion
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Originally Posted by Milly79

dunno on pub, but empire is still active and raids frequently every week

Originally Posted by MadraptorMan

Republic GAF is very active and even growing. Lately our problem hasn't been finding enough players to raid but rather how to include everyone in the operations. Right now we have more than 16 players geared enough for hard modes.

Sounds good! I really want to get into the endgame content that I have yet to see as well as be apart of a healthy populated guild.

If I do make the jump I'm thinking of making either a Shadow or Assassin.
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Originally Posted by Woorloog

Inflation which is a product of economic systems that don't make any sense. Every MMO should have an EVE online like realistic system (if we forget inexausthible mineral sources, lack of food and before the next patch, loot producing more minerals than mining...).

Don't mind me.

Inflation happens in EVE as well. It's a natural part of all economies, if you don't have it in some form then you just don't have an economy.
markatisu
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(04-24-2012, 01:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Heysoos

This game has a really horrible habit of fucking kicking me out of winning Warzones. It's gotten to the point where it actually does it often enough to piss me off. It's not THAT often, but I always expect it to happen 2-3 times everyday during Warzones. It's ALWAYS during the ones I'm winning too. This is the ONLY game where I get kicked from servers. Never have had a problem with my connection (Road Runner) on Xbox Live, PSN, or other PC games. Just this ONE. It's really pissing me off. Anyone else experience this?

I played PvP for 3hrs on Saturday night and 4hrs straight on Sunday and never had anything happen.

I have been booted from FP before and space missions the way you are talking about
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(04-24-2012, 02:39 AM)
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I used to get booted pre 1.2, but I've played a crap ton of warzones since and have yet to get the boot.
Gvaz
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(04-24-2012, 05:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cystm

Sure, it sounds like that....

If you are a fucking reddit zombie. Keep your bullshit in the bullshit thread, please.



Yeah, they should make all new content require little to no effort to obtain. That'll work out well.

You should check these out:


Hope they help.

What are you even saying here? The crystals should be hard(er) to obtain, not easy (via credits)
isny
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(04-24-2012, 06:22 AM)
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Ended up with four pets, four crystals, a full set of RP armor for my companion, and the world boss title at the end of the event. Now that it's over though I'll have nothing to do, they need to open up server transfers stat so I can get into a raiding guild. (The one I was in was tied for first on our server until people started dropping off, now we have about 3 active members, lol)
Enosh
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Originally Posted by Heysoos

What's with the SWTOR topics in the gaming forum lately? It's like people don't even try to read what the article they posted and jump into overly sensationalist titles/first post. Hell even admits to it in the same thread by calling it spin.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471311
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bi...g-in-to-swtor/

It's like having SWTOR not fail hurts them for some reason. So weird.

that hate
antonz
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(04-24-2012, 08:21 AM)
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Gaf has always had a large very anti-MMO crowd. Throw in the jaded KOTOR fanboys and you have a very hateful crowd.
cartoon_soldier
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(04-24-2012, 08:25 AM)

Originally Posted by antonz

Gaf has always had a large very anti-MMO crowd. Throw in the jaded KOTOR fanboys and you have a very hateful crowd.

You are forgetting DA2 and ME3 ending. Bioware right now as a company itself is hated on GAF.
Son1x
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(04-24-2012, 09:16 AM)
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Are there any EuroGAF SWToR players here?
Enosh
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(04-24-2012, 09:26 AM)
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<- EU bloodworthy
or you mean people in the EU gaf guild? (is there even one still left?)

also did second boss on HM yesterday (the new raid), got them to some 6% QQ
tanking, healing and tactics are fine, just need more deps
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StudioTan
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(04-24-2012, 09:39 AM)
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Well, I ended up with 7 of the 8 companion customizations (missing the Trooper one which sucks because I have one although I haven't played him yet), both pets and 2 crystals. Pretty good haul. I really liked the event, look forward to seeing what they have planned next!

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