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Banned
(05-06-2012, 02:41 PM)
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#2301
If we can get some success around games like A Game of Thrones, success being defined as an incremental lift in our projected sales on either version (Steam or Not Steam) it'll help me make a case with the bigger guys. Cheers, Tony |
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Member
(05-06-2012, 02:49 PM)
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#2302
I would be a +1 on the Steam version but not on an unknown quantity. I think the whole idea is a bit skewed because Steam users would generally be looking to see what discount is on offer from Steam itself.
If you truly want to see what people want you should do the same but with already released titles. |
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Member
(05-06-2012, 03:29 PM)
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#2303
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Banned
(05-06-2012, 03:36 PM)
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#2304
My current go-to example for this is Risen 2. That game was number 1/2 on Steam for like 3 days when it released, and it was $5 more expensive. We were offering the exact same thing (Steam activated, extra DLC for pre-order, etc). We definitely did OK on Risen 2 but would have loved to shift some of that demand :). Cheers, Tony |
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Member
(05-06-2012, 03:57 PM)
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#2305
Some people are way too tied into steam being the only way to buy their games. I had to do a lot of convincing to get my friends to give amazon a try. Some people were surprised you could just get the cpdes and download from steam or origin if the want.
Edit: heck, I was surprised to see that amazon got a sales thread here.
Last edited by Ploid 3.0; 05-06-2012 at 04:00 PM.
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Banned
(05-06-2012, 04:10 PM)
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#2306
I'm just glad we have a retailer as strong as Amazon who's relatively pro-steam, or is at least more than ok with working alongside them in what seems like friendly competition.
Whereas it seems like almost everyone else wants to crush steam into the ground and piss on its grave. And more often than not that attitude ends up hurting the customer, whether it's a cheap knock off service like Origin or some other service that forces ridiculous DRM. Amazon has the money and power to make things pretty nasty for Steam if they wanted to push in that direction but I like what they're doing now. |
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(05-06-2012, 04:16 PM)
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#2307
I'd just like to thank you again for talking with us Tony. It's nice to be able to have some perspective on these things from your point of view as a retailer. |
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Banned
(05-06-2012, 04:48 PM)
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#2308
Cheers, Tony |
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Junior Member
(05-06-2012, 05:14 PM)
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#2309
Two things here Tony. First thanks a bunch for getting us so many great deals. I have bought quite a few games that I was interested in playing, but did not want to spend the full $50 on it. Second, would it be possible to get The Settlers 7 on a weekly deal? I have been wanting to get that game, but would like to pick up the gold edition on the cheep. Thanks again ^_^
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Banned
(05-07-2012, 03:18 AM)
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#2310
Cheers, Tony |
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Banned
(05-10-2012, 10:25 PM)
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#2311
Hey Tony can you comment at all on if Amazon will be selling these Steam vouchers too? Or is it just a gamestop thing?
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Banned
(05-10-2012, 10:55 PM)
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#2312
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Member
(05-10-2012, 10:58 PM)
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#2313
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Banned
(05-10-2012, 11:00 PM)
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#2314
Yeah those ^.
Supposedly gamestop will start selling them on the 15th, though I guess for now it's still just a rumor. The pic looks genuine though. |
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Banned
(05-10-2012, 11:13 PM)
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#2315
EDIT: Realize I didn't actually answer the question. I don't have anything on any of my calendars/trackers/documents on this. Cheers, Tony |
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jerking off to field goals
(05-11-2012, 02:53 AM)
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#2316
I hope they don't sell the Steam vouchers. Shamefully, my reasoning is fanboyish. I want Amazon's DD to be even bigger and really give Steam a run for their money and having Steam cards on sale at Amazon doesn't feel right. Not a big fan of Steam in general.
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Member
(05-11-2012, 03:02 AM)
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#2317
Hey Tony, will Amazon be selling Alan Wake's American Nightmare when it releases?
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Banned
(05-11-2012, 03:04 AM)
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#2318
If this happens then everyone will start selling them unless Valve just wants to limit this deal with just Gamestop, for whatever reason. Tony said it right here they're not in this to interfere with Steam, just to be a retailer that sells everything and I appreciate them for that. Too many people are in this to hurt Steam and the consumer, including your favorites Heavy (origin/GFWL).
Thanks for commenting anyway Tony. I'm interested to see how this situation evolves because Steam vouchers being sold on Amazon would be an even bigger help for me than Gamestop, as I normally utilize Amazon's services and trade in store more than Gamestop. |
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(05-11-2012, 03:15 AM)
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#2319
I added money to my steam account one time (quite a bit), but with amazon all I have to do is click buy and choose my card/address/confirm (I don't know, having my card on amazon feels safer and more useful than a game only store). Buying steam cards to spend money on steam would make buying on steam easier, but amazon usually match the deal they may have. It seems like a tough situation, unless amazon get a good cut of the steam cards.
The good thing about amazon though is that they sell everything (and have amazing customer service). It's my only online store. I bought a mp3 player for a friend this week when I probably could have found it at the store (doubt they would beat the deal on amazon though). |
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Junior Member
(05-11-2012, 09:16 AM)
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#2320
You're a consumer first and foremost. Competition is great for consumers. I hope Origin continues to prosper and in fact really steps their game up, because it will force Steam to follow suit. |
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My Contribution
(05-11-2012, 10:12 AM)
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#2321
EADF all up in here.
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Cock Encumbered
(05-11-2012, 01:36 PM)
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#2322
Steam is constantly stepping their game up with no competition and Origin will forever be shit because it is run buy EA. And the competition that EA provides is not great for consumers on any level.
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Junior Member
(05-11-2012, 01:38 PM)
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#2323
Conjecture.
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That's the point. Competition is making things better for the consumer just as long as you don't put all of your eggs into the Gabe's valve rental basket. |
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Member
(05-11-2012, 01:52 PM)
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#2324
I'm all for competition and diversifying your egg portfolio (heck, I have 5 clients installed in my computer), but so far I haven't seen a reason to invest in Origin basket at all. |
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Banned
(05-11-2012, 01:52 PM)
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#2325
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Cock Encumbered
(05-11-2012, 01:52 PM)
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#2326
Point out to me one consumer friendly move that EA has made in recent years and I will point out 10 that hurt the consumer.
But that is good competition as anyone was able to get it for that price on the DD platform they wanted. |
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Member
(05-11-2012, 01:53 PM)
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#2327
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Cock Encumbered
(05-11-2012, 01:55 PM)
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#2328
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Member
(05-11-2012, 01:57 PM)
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#2329
But yeah that's what I meant. Because it'd be easy to piss off publishers and lose support from them if you just did it with no discussion and approval. |
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Member
(05-11-2012, 02:10 PM)
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#2330
Gog is great, but it is a different kind of competition to Steam than Origin or GFWL, primarily because of the backers. EA and Microsoft both have histories of cornering the market via money and not by having a decidedly better product. Valve has a history of releasing the best product on the market at the time, then iterating in whatever ways they want, regardless of what competitors are doing. |
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Junior Member
(05-11-2012, 02:38 PM)
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#2331
Blind devotion to anything really bothers and rankles with me. So called "good" companies can turn evil at the drop of a hat. There's precedent: Apple did it, SCO did it, Google appear to be doing it.. who's to say that Valve won't suddenly become amazingly anti-consumer and alienating ten years down the line? Is it likely? Probably not. Is it possible? Absolutely, because Valve at the end of the day are a business, and first and foremost a business will do whatever is in it's interest to make money. We cannot assume that just because Valve and Steam are harmless now, it won't remain that case indefinitely. And that is the reason that I don't really make a distinction between Steam, Origin, Impulse.... hell even Onlive and companies like blockbuster or netflix. You're basically paying for a right to play that game and it is not a permanent right. In fact, it's more akin to a rental system than a purchase system. At least with GOG, you have the game on your system locked away and nobody can ever take that away from you. With Steam et al, all it takes is for one legal challenge related to the most obtuse of reasons, and Valve can pull the game off the servers, and you'll never see it again, with no recourse to get your money back. In my (twisted?) logic, if digital distribution is the future, it's only really viable in the long term if we can actually keep the titles we have paid for in some local form. This is why I'm pro-GOG and ambivalent (but I stress - NOT AVERSE) to cloud based DD methods, such as Steam. In addition, for me, having Steam as a "default setting" is a worrying precedent as no one company should be the "gatekeeper" for an entire format's output. Atari tried it, and failed. Nintendo tried it, and failed. Sega tried it and failed (in fact that's where EA came from - making at the time "unauthorised" cartridges for the Genesis). Look at the barrel that Apple have the music industry over with iTune's lock-in and dominance for an example of why this is a bad idea. In short: Competition is good, because it keeps everyone, INCLUDING Valve in check. The existing DD method is not a purchase opportunity but a rental opportunity, and one that is unlikely to stand up when it inevitably gets it's first trial in a court of law. Lastly: Google and read up on re-digi. It's a landmark case taking place now that should go some way to defining the law in terms of digital content ownership. It points out some key contradictions that currently exist with the current digital distribution models for music, movies, books and games, and will clarify exactly where the consumer stands in terms of rights of purchase and resale. If the courts do rule in favour of a consumer, Valve could be potentially liable to introduce a method to allow a consumer to re-sell a digitally distributed game. Do you think they will in that circumstance, or do you think they'll just change the wording of their TOS to "re brand" as a pure games rental service?
Last edited by kurtrussell; 05-11-2012 at 02:40 PM.
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Cock Encumbered
(05-11-2012, 02:42 PM)
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#2332
Valve is privately owned. All those other companies that went evil are public. There is a big difference.
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Member
(05-11-2012, 02:46 PM)
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#2333
So I see this thread floating at the top..pop in thinking maybe there are some new deals, but...it's just .....GAF.
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Member
(05-11-2012, 02:48 PM)
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#2334
Hey, Tony, any chance of getting a DD version of Diablo III up for pre-order? I'd love to buy one from you guys for $55, and I could just enter the key into Battle.net :)
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Member
(05-11-2012, 02:50 PM)
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#2335
Sure, there is some brand loyalty, but a decidedly better product would sway over all but the hardest fanboys (whose population has been greatly exaggerated anyway).
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Last edited by morningbus; 05-11-2012 at 05:17 PM.
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Member
(05-11-2012, 04:28 PM)
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#2336
Your tinfoil hat theory is based on too many assumptions. So you just KNOW that if Steam turned shit and Valve turns evil, "gaf" would just blindly support it, and consider it the best thing ever. This is a common fact and an axiom, amirite? Sorry to break it to you, but as it is now, Steam IS the best DD platform out there. It arguably has the most features and offers the most number of advantages. You don't need to be some blind diehard to acknowledge this. And really, getting riled up in advance by some potential scenario that may or may not happen is just stupid. |
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Banned
(05-12-2012, 03:19 AM)
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#2337
Lots of healthy discussion going on here, none of which I'm going to comment on ;). Instead I'll tell you about some upcoming deals:
Here’s the Deal of the Week landing page. Pricing will flip on Sunday 5/13 around 12:30AM (and be live all day on 5/13-5/19). Purchase any one of these items and get $1.50 towards Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter - Legend of the Beast DLC Pack Serious Sam 3 – $9.99 (75% off) Serious Sam 3 4 pack - $30 Serious Sam 2 - $2.50 (75% off) Serious Sam 2 4 pack – $7.50 Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter - $3.74 (75% off) Serious Sam HD: the First encounter 4 Pack - $9.99 Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter - $4.99 (75% off) Serious Sam HD: the Second encounter 4 Pack - $14.99 Serious Sam: The Random Encounter - $1.24 (75% off) Serious Sam: The Random Encounter 4 Pack - $3.99 Serious Sam Double D - $1.99 (75% off) Serious Sam Double D 4 Pack - $5.99 These all activate on Steam, so for the 4 packs, we'll just give you 4 steam keys and you can do with them as you please. Happy Gaming everyone, hope you're all looking forward to Sunday! Cheers, Tony |
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(05-12-2012, 03:24 AM)
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#2338
It's gonna be one serious week.
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Banned
(05-12-2012, 03:24 AM)
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#2339
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Banned
(05-12-2012, 03:25 AM)
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#2340
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Member
(05-12-2012, 03:48 AM)
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#2341
Tony,
Can you say when we'll know about next weeks deals, or will you tell us the day they go live? Thanks! |
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Member
(05-12-2012, 03:49 AM)
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#2342
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Member
(05-12-2012, 03:52 AM)
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#2343
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Member
(05-12-2012, 03:54 AM)
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#2344
Nope, Alan Wake it's still at $29.99, but I'll definitely get it for $15 if it goes on sale.
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Member
(05-12-2012, 03:56 AM)
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Cock Encumbered
(05-12-2012, 03:58 AM)
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#2346
Why is there new DLC coming out for Serious Sam 2nd Encounter....?
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Member
(05-12-2012, 04:31 AM)
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#2347
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Member
(05-12-2012, 04:48 AM)
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#2348
Steam sale it is!
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erotic butter maelstrom
(05-12-2012, 04:49 AM)
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#2349
Alan Wake is still 50% off/$15 at GOG
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/alan_wake No DRM, meaning The Man can't steal your shit |
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Banned
(05-12-2012, 06:01 AM)
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#2350
Cheers, Tony |