[toastyToast]

[Kyaw]

[Kyaw]

[-SD-]

Wonder what's going on with that sky banding.

That's JPG compression for you.

[Sethos]

That's JPG compression for you.

Hope you aren't implying Dennis used a compressed .jpg

Because that's just shitty in-game sky textures.

[Sinatar]

Hope you aren't implying Dennis used a compressed .jpg Because that's just shitty in-game sky textures.

Of course he isn't, he's implying that inifinity ward used a compressed jpg for their skybox which they most assuredly did.

[KKRT00]

AC Bro

Nice feet, lol.

[Sethos]

Of course he isn't, he's implying that inifinity ward used a compressed jpg for their skybox which they most assuredly did.

Don't say of course, this is the internet, people say a lot of ridiculous shit every day.

[Dennis]

MW3

Do not highlight this spoiler if you haven't finished the game!

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! SOAP! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[Dennis]

MW3

[The English Conquistador]

Some more old Dark Void pics I took. Downsampled from 3840x2160. Better ones on the previous page.

[x3sphere]

Then I would have to post huge 2560 x 1600 images that people can't really see without scrolling left and right. So people are just going to scroll past them and not bother. We had the same discussion in the previous thread. Its an annual tradition!

Plus if you can run it at 2560x1600 then you can also run it at 1920x1080 2xSSAA. Still represents a playable screen, so I don't see the issue.

[Ywap]

8x MSAA

[The English Conquistador]

Last couple I'll post.

[Ywap]

FXAA Ultra

[scitek]

Plus if you can run it at 2560x1600 then you can also run it at 1920x1080 2xSSAA. Still represents a playable screen, so I don't see the issue.

That's what I don't get. It's not an unattainable image quality like some seem to think. It's not like anyone's posting bullshit artshots that are rendered at 16,000x9,000 in here. They're all resized from perfectly playable resolutions provided you have the rig for it (and are actually representative of what you'd see if you downsampled to 1080 like I do at times). I don't see the issue.

[Sethos]

That's what I don't get. It's not an unattainable image quality like some seem to think. It's not like anyone's posting bullshit artshots that are rendered at 16,000x9,000 in here. They're all resized from perfectly playable resolutions provided you have the rig for it. I don't see the issue.

It has nothing to do with how playable the resolution is, the 'issue' is the fact that it's an enhanced image outside of the game. Downsampling a screenshot basically adds magical AA and IQ due to crispier everything and compressing an already dense pixel structure even tighter. Then people start to wonder how they achieved this great IQ, what settings etc. when most of the work has been done by the downsampling, it creates a stunning IQ at times.

I think people should downsample images, makes for better pictures and stops this thread being a sidescroll adventure but they still need to be labelled as downsampled when it's done and people need to be aware so they aren't being 'fooled' into thinking that's how the game looks in action.

[Durante]

I'm surprised you'd even dare post a screen with that ground texture!

It has nothing to do with how playable the resolution is, the 'issue' is the fact that it's an enhanced image outside of the game. Downsampling a screenshot basically adds magical AA and IQ due to crispier everything and compressing an already dense pixel structure even tighter. Then people start to wonder how they achieved this great IQ, what settings etc. when most of the work has been done by the downsampling, it creates a stunning IQ at times. I think people should downsample images, makes for better pictures and stops this thread being a sidescroll adventure but they still need to be labelled as downsampled when it's done and people need to be aware so they aren't being 'fooled' into thinking that's how the game looks in action.

But you can use downsampling in realtime. I do it all the time. Still, explaining which settings were used for screenshots is never a bad thing.

[Sethos]

But you can use downsampling in realtime. I do it all the time. Still, explaining which settings were used for screenshots is never a bad thing.

Yes you CAN but that's not what is being done to many images, they are merely downsampled outside of the game. As I said, I think it should be done but the posters should also inform about in the post, simply because I've seen far too many "Oh how do you achieve that" when it's just basic settings and a hefty downsample that does it all.

[brain_stew]

I'm surprised you'd even dare phttp://www.abload.de/image.php?img=iw5sp2012-01-0218-27-zyv2s.jpgost a screen with that ground texture! But you can use downsampling in realtime. I do it all the time. Still, explaining which settings were used for screenshots is never a bad thing.

As I use a HDTV Nvidia disable GPU scaling for me, so I can't. I've considered EDID hacking but then I'm worried it'll mess up 3DTV Play which is something I've paid for.

I know there's supersampling options in Nvidia inspector but results and support is so patchy.

[iNvid02]

i play at 1600p, all my shots are downsampled.

there, now everybody knows because i wont be labeling them downsampled every time i post

[scitek]

As I use a HDTV Nvidia disable GPU scaling for me, so I can't. I've considered EDID hacking but then I'm worried it'll mess up 3DTV Play which is something I've paid for. I know there's supersampling options in Nvidia inspector but results and support is so patchy.

Are you familiar of any way to downsample with AMD cards? The only way I've been able to find is with this. But I can only get it to work with a handful of games.

[brain_stew]

Yes you CAN but that's not what is being done to many images, they are merely downsampled outside of the game. As I said, I think it should be done but the posters should also inform about in the post, simply because I've seen far too many "Oh how do you achieve that" when it's just basic settings and a hefty downsample that does it all.

I don't see the difference really, it achieves the same result. If you're using GPU scaling then FRAPs will capture the image before its downsampled anyway, leaving you with little other option.

People just need to label their shots and not to post images that aren't achievable in real time.

[Durante]

As I use a HDTV Nvidia disable GPU scaling for me, so I can't. I've considered EDID hacking but then I'm worried it'll mess up 3DTV Play which is something I've paid for. I know there's supersampling options in Nvidia inspector but results and support is so patchy.

Yeah, I don't really understand why they don't allow you to simply set resolutions completely independently of the output device. It shouldn't be a problem to do that in the driver.

[Corky]

My name is Corky

*Hi Corky*

And...I'm a downsampler.




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sweeeeeeet

[Sethos]

I don't see the difference really, it achieves the same result. If you're using GPU scaling then FRAPs will capture the image before its downsampled anyway, leaving you with little other option. People just need to label their shots and not to post images that aren't achievable in real time.

Fine, let's just enhance all our images through photoshop and claim there's a graphical option that is able to do that, we aren't using it, maybe our setup won't handle it, our FPS will tank or monitors won't support it BUT IT CAN BE DONE!

Guys can we also start tweaking everything from contrasts, brightness, tones, hues and what else you have because that is technically also available both through control panels and monitor settings.

Oh and lots of sharpening too! My monitor can do that.

Sarcasm may have been applied.

How about we use this thread to post images of how our games actually look and when you do anything to it through third party software, you state it in the post? If you use actual hardware downsampling then that's how your playing and no need to state anything.

That downsample Nvidia trick that is floating around doesn't even work for everyone.

[scitek]

Fine, let's just enhance all our images through photoshop and claim there's a graphical option that is able to do that, we aren't using it, maybe our setup won't handle it, our FPS will tank or monitors won't support it BUT IT CAN BE DONE! Guys can we also start tweaking everything from contrasts, brightness, tones, hues and what else you have because that is technically also available both through control panels and monitor settings. Oh and lots of sharpening too! My monitor can do that. Sarcasm may have been applied. How about we use this thread to post images of how our games actually look and when you do anything to it through third party software, you state it in the post? If you use actual hardware downsampling then that's how your playing and no need to state anything. That downsample Nvidia trick that is floating around doesn't even work for everyone.

Cool, then no need to say anything. This thread is for posting pics of your actual playing settings, no one here is doing anything to the contrary as far as I know.

[Sethos]

Cool, then no need to say anything. This thread is for posting pics of your actual playing settings, no one here is doing anything to the contrary as far as I know.

Are you kidding me? Tons of people are downsampling through image software in here, let's not start acting stupid now. Then someone comes along, ask how to achieve that IQ and people beat around the fucking bush talking about AA
and certain graphical options when you could just have told them, it's downsampled via Photoshop ( or whatever )

[Dennis]

Modern Warfare 3 - the most insanely beautiful game that NeoGAF doesn't talk about.

[legacyzero]

No worries Dennis.

Haters gonna hate.

[scitek]

Are you kidding me? Tons of people are downsampling through image software in here, let's not start acting stupid now. Then someone comes along, ask how to achieve that IQ and people beat around the fucking bush talking about AA and certain graphical options when you could just have told them, it's downsampled via Photoshop ( or whatever )

But those are still their playing settings. Nothing's been altered or fabricated, and, were they playing at 1920x1080, that's exactly how it would look.

If someone asks what my settings are, or what mods I have installed, I'll gladly tell them, but I'm not going to preface every post with 3 lines of information. I hardly ever play a game with stock settings, so if you see me post a screen of something, chances are it's been altered somehow.

[Sinatar]

Well I fixed my crashing issues. The game doesn't like the newest PhysX drivers, deleted those and installed the ones that come with the game and it's been smooth sailing since.

As for the whole resizing issue? The difference is negligible.

For instance:

Raw unaltered shot:



Resized to fit better:



Is the difference really enough to warrant all this stupid whining?

[Solo]

Looking forward to contributing again in 2012. I was banned for Skyrim do I mised out on that. What is the next big PC graphics whore release?

[Sethos]

But those are still their playing settings. Nothing's been altered or fabricated, and, were they playing at 1920x1080, that's exactly how it would look. If someone asks what my settings are, or what mods I have installed, I'll gladly tell them, but I'm not going to preface every post with 3 lines of information. I hardly ever play a game with stock settings, so if you see me post a screen of something, chances are it's been altered somehow.

What the hell are you on about? If you take a game, running at 2560x1600 and downsample it to 1680x1050 you are improving that image! It does NOT look like that at 2560x1600, it's a larger screen, not a magical cupboard to Narnia. You are adding free AA and some sharpening caused by the downsampling that isn't present in the first place. When I play something at 1920x1200 it may look a bit rough, downscale that to 1050 and it suddenly looks better THEN IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN I PLAY IT, it's improved.

Christ.

Sure, if people don't want to state it's downsampled, at least don't bullshit people who ask, I've seen way too many people ask and just a bunch of bullshit answers.

Is the difference really enough to warrant all this stupid whining?

In a shitty shot from a brown ugly ass game, the difference is tends to be negligible, other games benefit a whole lot more.

[Sinatar]

[brain_stew]

Fine, let's just enhance all our images through photoshop and claim there's a graphical option that is able to do that,

I'm not suggesting everyone does this but if you're actually playing with downsampling enabled, then do you believe having people to post the raw 3840x2160p image is a better solution? Not only is it actually not representative of what they're seeing ingame but it makes the thread impossible to navigate.

We just need honesty from posters, and for people to only post downsampled shots when it represents what they're actually doing ingame.

Also if you are downsampling then you should never be posting images anything smaller than 1680x1050.

Well I fixed my crashing issues. The game doesn't like the newest PhysX drivers, deleted those and installed the ones that come with the game and it's been smooth sailing since. As for the whole resizing issue? The difference is negligible. For instance: EXAMPLE Is the difference really enough to warrant all this stupid whining?

In fairness, posting a shot with very low contrast edges and none-existant shader or transparency aliasing, probably isn't the best representation of the difference.

[KKRT00]

Looking forward to contributing again in 2012. I was banned for Skyrim do I mised out on that. What is the next big PC graphics whore release?

Diablo 3 ;)

And seriously X: Rebirth, but dunno when it will be out. Guild Wars 2 can be beauty too.

[WoodenLung]

Nice feet, lol.

wtf is going on there. :lol

[Dennis]

Diablo 3 ;)

;)

is the emoticon for sarcasm....right?

[Sinatar]

Diablo 3 ;) And seriously X: Rebirth, but dunno when it will be out. Guild Wars 2 can be beauty too.

If the beta is anything to go by then I sincerely hope Diablo 3 doesn't get spammed in here. It's so ugly.

[Sethos]

I'm not suggesting everyone does this but if you're actually playing with downsampling enabled, then do you believe having people to post the raw 3840x2160p image is a better solution? Not only is it actually not representative of what they're seeing ingame but it makes the thread impossible to navigate. We just need honesty from posters, and for people to only post downsampled shots when it represents what they're actually doing ingame. Also if you are downsampling then you should never be posting images anything smaller than 1680x1050.

I said multiple times, I prefer downsampled shots. Makes for better viewing and no side-scrolling in the thread. I'm asking for a label to stop the damn bullshit in this thread when people ask about settings. People truly beat around the bush when it comes to downsampling, the ones asked never answer and then someone has to come along and tell them it's downsampled, then you quickly see their response "Oh, that's why".

Let's stop pretending everyone using that hardware downsample trick because most people don't, people have said multiple times they just downscale it in photoshop to something viewable and that's fine but as you said and I've stated, honesty. It just pains me whenever people ask for the IQ settings and no one has the decency to tell them they can't obtain that on their top-end machine because most of it is carried along by the downsampling - Unless you start messing about with settings a lot of people can't seem to get working or takes a massive hit on performance.

[KKRT00]

;) is the emoticon for sarcasm....right?

Better be, because if its not, we are still in 2006 :P

[Dennis]

Sure, if people don't want to state it's downsampled, at least don't bullshit people who ask, I've seen way too many people ask and just a bunch of bullshit answers.

That better not be aimed at me. I have never claimed that my screenshots were originally captured at 1680 x 1050.

[Kyaw]

Looking forward to contributing again in 2012. I was banned for Skyrim do I mised out on that. What is the next big PC graphics whore release?

Risen 2.

Arma III

Witcher 3 (whenever that is gonna be)

Path of Exile

Guild Wars 2

Counter Strike: GO (Valve magic)

Dota 2 (Valve magic)

[Dennis]

Risen 2. yes Arma III yes Witcher 3 (whenever that is gonna be) wut Path of Exile never heard of it Guild Wars 2 wut Counter Strike: GO (Valve magic) wut Dota 2 (Valve magic) lol wut

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[Solo]

Risen 2. Arma III Witcher 3 (whenever that is gonna be) Path of Exile Guild Wars 2 Counter Strike: GO (Valve magic) Dota 2 (Valve magic)

Risen 2 - yes, will get on that one
Arma - never played the previous ones...
Witcher - LOL 2012
Exile - haven't heard of, will look into...
Guild Wars - never played the first...
CS - will play
DOTA - not my thing

[Sinatar]

That better not be aimed at me. I have never claimed that my screenshots were originally captured at 1680 x 1050.

I don't know who this is aimed at. Nobody has been secretly passing off downsampled shots as normal. This thread has gotten off to such a bizarre start.

[NullPointer]

Remember to put the game's title in the posts. Not sure what some of the games on this page are.

Is that Red Faction Armageddon up there? Edit: Huh, guess that's Dark Void. Anyhow, label your shots!

[Sax Russel]

Let's all just hug it out guys. Hug it out and post pretty pictures. Big group hug tiiiiiime!

*hug

[Kyaw]

When I interpreted 'graphic whore titles' I was generally thinking of good looking games with good IQ.

All of the game on that list fit the description. :P

Also CDP better announce Witcher 3 at E3.

I forgot Metro: Last Light.