Snakeyes
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:00 AM)

Snakeyes's Avatar
Mind Blown: Final Fantasy's ATB and Gambits were inspired by American Football #1

Apparently Itou is a fan and based a lot of his battle systems on the sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIzjBbO2FQ
SuperSonic1305
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:09 AM)

SuperSonic1305's Avatar
#2

They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
-Pyromaniac-
(01-09-2012, 04:10 AM)

-Pyromaniac-'s Avatar
#3

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
I lol'd.
FSLink
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:10 AM)

FSLink's Avatar
#4

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Definitely can't top that as a first post.
SouthernDragon
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:11 AM)

SouthernDragon's Avatar
#5

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Well, that's that.
Narag
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:11 AM)

Narag's Avatar
#6

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Amazing.
Snakeyes
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:12 AM)

Snakeyes's Avatar
#7

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Well played, Biebs.
Frankfurt
Banned
(01-09-2012, 04:13 AM)

Frankfurt's Avatar
#8

I wanna ride my chocobo.
Soul_Pie
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:14 AM)

Soul_Pie's Avatar
#9

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Hahahahaha.

Perfect.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
(01-09-2012, 04:15 AM)

The Technomancer's Avatar
#10

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Hence why I hated football in high-school. Nothing like sitting at the top of the bleachers in winter in Wisconsin with a video camera on a tripod at night for four hours watching nothing happen
IAmMonodi
Junior Member
(01-09-2012, 04:21 AM)

IAmMonodi's Avatar
#11

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
huh
DY_nasty
#partoftheproblem
(01-09-2012, 04:41 AM)
#12

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
i ain't even mad
badcrumble
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:43 AM)

badcrumble's Avatar
#13

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
I love Final Fantasy and the Gambit system and football and this post.
The Xtortionist
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:44 AM)

The Xtortionist's Avatar
#14

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Exactly why the international version's triple speed button makes the game worth playing.
badcrumble
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:45 AM)

badcrumble's Avatar
#15

Originally Posted by The Xtortionist: View Post
Exactly why the international version's triple speed button makes the game worth playing.
Is... is this a reference to FF12 or to soccer/futbol
Shahadan
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:46 AM)

Shahadan's Avatar
#16

Yay, let's quote the first post for two pages.
The Xtortionist
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:48 AM)

The Xtortionist's Avatar
#17

Originally Posted by badcrumble: View Post
Is... is this a reference to FF12 or to soccer/futbol
FF12

Basically I see the game a sim - my guys have their stats and AI routines, the enemies have theirs, and I'm going to let them go at it and see who wins. I just hate being forced to watch it all play out at such a slow pace.
PataHikari
Should quit gaming and do something he enjoys for once
(01-09-2012, 04:49 AM)
#18

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Normally I'd be irritated at this.

But this was such a masterstroke I can't be.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:49 AM)

Lactose_Intolerant's Avatar
#19

Originally Posted by The Xtortionist: View Post
FF12

Basically I see the game a sim - my guys have their stats and AI routines, the enemies have theirs, and I'm going to let them go at it and see who wins. I just hate being forced to watch it all play out at such a slow pace.
International version has fast forward.
The Xtortionist
Member
(01-09-2012, 04:50 AM)

The Xtortionist's Avatar
#20

Originally Posted by Lactose_Intolerant: View Post
International version has fast forward.
Originally Posted by The Xtortionist: View Post
Exactly why the international version's triple speed button makes the game worth playing.
.
SuperDowns
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:05 AM)

SuperDowns's Avatar
#21

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Bam!
Busaiku
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:07 AM)

Busaiku's Avatar
#22

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Dang.
Bukana
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:12 AM)

Bukana's Avatar
#23

I will never forgive Dragon Age for stealing one of the best battling systems.
El Sloth
watch me play my flute
(01-09-2012, 07:19 AM)

El Sloth's Avatar
#24

If there is such a thing as "timing" on the internet, than the 1st post has it.

On topic, when you think about it really does seem a little obvious, the similarities between Gridiron(the superior name for American Football) and the Gambit/ATB system. Cool postmortem.

Also, this made me lol: *What are your thoughts on FFXII?*

"It's a project where we overdid everything."
Fantomen
Junior Member
(01-09-2012, 07:20 AM)

Fantomen's Avatar
#25

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
oh wow
Emitan
Billiechu
(01-09-2012, 07:22 AM)

Emitan's Avatar
#26

Originally Posted by Bukana: View Post
I will never forgive Dragon Age for stealing one of the best battling systems.
So where they supposed to have a bad battle system? I'm failing to see why more games having something you love is bad. Unless you just want to hate games or something?
cr_blah_blah
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:24 AM)

cr_blah_blah's Avatar
#27

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
Originally Posted by DY_nasty: View Post
i ain't even mad
.
Gravijah
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:26 AM)

Gravijah's Avatar
#28

Originally Posted by Bukana: View Post
I will never forgive Dragon Age for stealing one of the best battling systems.
i will never forgive you for breaking my heart.
Metalic
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:28 AM)

Metalic's Avatar
#29

This makes me sad because I like Final Fantasy and I don't like American Football, but yet again I am not a fan of any kind of sports really.
Gravijah
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:29 AM)

Gravijah's Avatar
#30

Originally Posted by Metalic: View Post
This makes me sad because I like Final Fantasy and I don't like American Football, but yet again I am not a fan of any kind of sports really.
did you know the weapons in final fantasy were inspired by tools used to murder people
PataHikari
Should quit gaming and do something he enjoys for once
(01-09-2012, 07:31 AM)
#31

Originally Posted by Gravijah: View Post
did you know the weapons in final fantasy were inspired by tools used to murder people
Cait Sith's megaphone.
PigSpeakers
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:34 AM)

PigSpeakers's Avatar
#32

Originally Posted by Gravijah: View Post
did you know the weapons in final fantasy were inspired by tools used to murder people
Did you know that spells in Final Fantasy were based off of real life elements?!

American Football is my favorite band. I was hoping it was about that.

Originally Posted by PataHikari: View Post
Cait Sith's megaphone.
Used to murder social injustice. Also used by cheerleaders to murder the other teams confidence. ALL COMES BACK TO FOOTBALL.
Danthrax
Batteries the CRISIS!
(01-09-2012, 07:35 AM)

Danthrax's Avatar
#33

Playing FF12 suddenly makes a lot more sense to me. They should have expained it that way from the beginning. "It's like calling plays in an NFL game."
Emitan
Billiechu
(01-09-2012, 07:40 AM)

Emitan's Avatar
#34

Did you know Vaan is inspired by Japanese preteen girls?
PataHikari
Should quit gaming and do something he enjoys for once
(01-09-2012, 07:44 AM)
#35

Originally Posted by PigSpeakers: View Post

Used to murder social injustice. Also used by cheerleaders to murder the other teams confidence. ALL COMES BACK TO FOOTBALL.
It all makes sense now.

Final Fantasy.

Football.

They both start with F.
StarEye
The Amiga Brotherhood
(01-09-2012, 07:46 AM)

StarEye's Avatar
#36

I've played FF12 and most of the ATB ones as well. I still don't understand American Football.
PataHikari
Should quit gaming and do something he enjoys for once
(01-09-2012, 07:47 AM)
#37

Originally Posted by StarEye: View Post
I've played FF12. I still don't understand American Football.
Well you see there's this ball and you need to get it to the other side of the field by any means necessary.

Just like how in FFXII there's this monster and you need to kill it by any means necessary.
Victrix
*beard*
(01-09-2012, 07:49 AM)

Victrix's Avatar
#38

Originally Posted by PataHikari: View Post
Well you see there's this ball and you need to get it to the other side of the field by any means necessary.
This is actual, real life football commentary, live on national TV for millions of listeners
Duderz
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:52 AM)

Duderz's Avatar
#39

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.


But I couldn't disagree more.
StarEye
The Amiga Brotherhood
(01-09-2012, 07:54 AM)

StarEye's Avatar
#40

Originally Posted by PataHikari: View Post
Well you see there's this ball and you need to get it to the other side of the field by any means necessary.

Just like how in FFXII there's this monster and you need to kill it by any means necessary.
But why do they have to stop and take a breather every five meter? Are they so out of shape? Are the armor they're wearing too heavy to carry for longer distances? Do they need to stop and ask for directions?
Emitan
Billiechu
(01-09-2012, 07:56 AM)

Emitan's Avatar
#41

Next FF to have commercials and This Summon Brought To You By messages?
JasonUresti
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:57 AM)
#42

Originally Posted by StarEye: View Post
I've played FF12 and most of the ATB ones as well. I still don't understand American Football.
On offense there are big fast guys who take the ball and run, one big guy guy with a computer brain and strong arm who throws the ball, taller big fast guys who run down field to catch the ball, and then really, really big guys who sumo wrestle other really, really big guys at the line of from where the ball starts, one set of big guys protecting the guy who throws the ball and making spots for the guys who run to run through without the other set of big guys smashing them into the ground.

Defense also has smaller big fast guys in their back field, some of whom cover the big fast guys trying to catch the ball, others who try to fly through the line and kill the big guy who throws the ball.

After a play, where everyone exerts maximum effort, they then rest, to allow the really, really big guys to get oxygen back to their giant muscles and big fat bellies, and to allow the really smart guys to decide on the next play to feed to computer brain guy who throws the ball.

Contrast this to international football, where normal sized fast guys who never get tired run around a field for five days and have the dignity to not score points in obscene numbers, such as anything over three, and often times prefer to end in a draw, so that everyone is a winner.
Spruchy
Member
(01-09-2012, 07:59 AM)

Spruchy's Avatar
#43

Originally Posted by SuperSonic1305: View Post
They both involve doing nothing 80% of the time.
And we're done.
PataHikari
Should quit gaming and do something he enjoys for once
(01-09-2012, 08:01 AM)
#44

Originally Posted by StarEye: View Post
But why do they have to stop and take a breather every five meter? Are they so out of shape? Are the armor they're wearing too heavy to carry for longer distances? Do they need to stop and ask for directions?
You try charging full force at another guy as large as you.
Radogol
Member
(01-09-2012, 08:03 AM)

Radogol's Avatar
#45

Originally Posted by Bukana: View Post
I will never forgive Dragon Age for stealing one of the best battling systems.
KOTOR's?
Neutrality
Junior Member
(01-09-2012, 08:20 AM)

Neutrality's Avatar
#46

Also came in here expecting Mike Kinsella, left disappointed.
MegaKungFuRadio
Member
(01-09-2012, 08:37 AM)

MegaKungFuRadio's Avatar
#47

Originally Posted by Radogol: View Post
KOTOR's?
:D
Aeana
Medal Princess
(01-09-2012, 08:41 AM)

Aeana's Avatar
#48

Originally Posted by Radogol: View Post
KOTOR's?
Well, Dragon Age certainly did take gambits wholesale from FF12 (and the developers didn't try to hide this, they said so directly).
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
(01-09-2012, 08:46 AM)
#49

Originally Posted by Duderz: View Post


But I couldn't disagree more.
About FF or NFL Football? About the latter, sure it has VERY intense moments when the action gets going, but have you ever watched a good match of Rugby?
KittenMaster
Member
(01-09-2012, 09:05 AM)

KittenMaster's Avatar
#50

Quote:
Well, Dragon Age certainly did take gambits wholesale from FF12 (and the developers didn't try to hide this, they said so directly).
I enjoyed Dragon Age but they didn't even steal the Gambit system correctly. Most of the options were bugged and didn't work without modding to make them work like they're supposed to.