[Etrian Oddity]

Here's the thing: You keep on saying all these negative things about yourself. You say one thing positive thing but immediately qualify it with something negative. People can tell when you have low self-esteem. It's not an attractive trait. It radiates off you. Call it whatever you want, body language, aura, approachability, etc. You've said you think you are a decent person. And you probably are. Most people are, generally. But here's the thing: being decent isn't enough. Being a "good person" isn't enough. I once asked you if you'd rather be LIKED or SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE. They are not the same thing. Being a good person will make you friends, but not sexual partners. What do you have to offer that makes you BETTER than all those other "good people"?

Branching this off from his initial comment: While the concept is simple as you make it out to be, the execution is super difficult. Sometimes a person has to put in an enormous amount of effort just to fix himself a little bit, and even then the change is not what many people would consider significant.

I'm in the same boat right now on the Good Human Being vs. Sexually Attractive spectrum. For whatever reason I can't generate a sexual vibe even when I do put on the doucher act (normally accidentally making one comment a girl dubs "sweet" and then I'm SOL).

A lot of times, confidence, self-motivation, plans to get ahead in life, and an easy-going attitude is not enough to be considered sexually attractive. Even if you've invested a huge effort into reinventing yourself to be a better overall person (get in shape, improve your mental/emotional health, plan for your career, etc), some folks just can't get the monkey off their back. Obviously there's something they can't notice about themselves--maybe their features are generally considered unattractive by girls, maybe they're a little different in the head (in how "book smart" people often are), maybe they're more mature than their current field and it goes unnoticed or considered weird, etc.

I don't believe in a silly concept like "destiny," but I do genuinely believe that some folks in this world are stuck with bad luck with women and there's nothing they can do to change it, other than just keep trying.

[jaxword]

Branching this off from his initial comment: While the concept is simple as you make it out to be, the execution is super difficult. Sometimes a person has to put in an enormous amount of effort just to fix himself a little bit, and even then the change is not what many people would consider significant. I'm in the same boat right now on the Good Human Being vs. Sexually Attractive spectrum. For whatever reason I can't generate a sexual vibe even when I do put on the doucher act (normally accidentally making one comment a girl dubs "sweet" and then I'm SOL). A lot of times, confidence, self-motivation, plans to get ahead in life, and an easy-going attitude is not enough to be considered sexually attractive. Even if you've invested a huge effort into reinventing yourself to be a better overall person (get in shape, improve your mental/emotional health, plan for your career, etc), some folks just can't get the monkey off their back. I don't believe in a silly concept like "destiny," but I do genuinely believe that some folks in this world are stuck with bad luck with women and there's nothing they can do to change it, other than just keep trying.

I get friendzoned ALL THE TIME whenever I was "nice."

Being a good person just isn't sexy. It's boring. It's safe. It's GOOD, but it doesn't turn anyone on. Name me one girl who has EVER honestly said her sexual fantasy is "A nice guy."

So, in realizing that, that's why I give the advice I do. You HAVE to improve yourself. You HAVE to be better. You HAVE to find reasons to make people like you.

I have severe handicaps of my own. I'm not naturally attractive. I'm not rich. I'm not even that smart.

That's just "bad luck" and I accept that as my reality. But I'm never going to stop trying to be better and trying to date. And that's why I tell others the same advice, because only they can fix yourself. The girl almond I'm talking to? I'm not giving her any advice that's any different than if she were a "nice guy" who can't get a girlfriend.

DON'T BE A NICE PERSON. BE BETTER.

[ianp622]

I get friendzoned ALL THE TIME whenever I was "nice." Being a good person just isn't sexy. It's boring. It's safe. It's GOOD, but it doesn't turn anyone on. Name me one girl who has EVER honestly said her sexual fantasy is "A nice guy." So, in realizing that, that's why I give the advice I do. You HAVE to improve yourself. You HAVE to be better. You HAVE to find reasons to make people like you. I have severe handicaps of my own. I'm not naturally attractive. I'm not rich. I'm not even that smart. That's just "bad luck" and I accept that as my reality. But I'm never going to stop trying to be better and trying to date. And that's why I tell others the same advice, because only they can fix yourself. The girl almond I'm talking to? I'm not giving her any advice that's any different than if she were a "nice guy" who can't get a girlfriend. DON'T BE A NICE PERSON. BE BETTER.

You're oversimplifying. You can be a nice, good person, but there's a difference between being nice because you want something from someone (which is really the whole friendzone problem in a nutshell), and being nice because you're confident with who you are and your life is so well put-together that you can afford to be generous. The former comes off as pitiful and the latter can be very attractive to the right people.

[jaxword]

You're oversimplifying. You can be a nice, good person, but there's a difference between being nice because you want something from someone (which is really the whole friendzone problem in a nutshell), and being nice because you're confident with who you are and your life is so well put-together that you can afford to be generous. The former comes off as pitiful and the latter can be very attractive to the right people.

While you are correct, I am tailoring the conversation towards the people here, who have expressed that they are NOT that happy with who they are nor have they got their lives put together.

That's why I keep saying, over and over, you have to improve YOURSELF before you start thinking about attracting others.

[ianp622]

Sure, I completely agree with improving yourself first. When you've done that, much of the advice in this thread will be redundant. But I just want to make sure people don't read your post and think that they should become jerks.

[low-G]

I think there might be a partial solution to being 'nice' in suffering this non-sense for long enough and eventually you'll become a bitter asshole and all the girls will go crazy for you.

(only 1/4th joking)

But it is a really important point that you need to 'be better'. I know a lot of the girls I'm not interested in don't make an effort to 'be better' either. I know that most of the guys that are having success usually do have some fairly unique and showable skills.

There's a lot of things I potentially can and will do. I think fitness is an excellent way to directly increase sexiness. But you can also consider artistic skills (musical, cooking, writing, and so on). Also, making shit tons of money is a winner too.

So basically there's lots of ways to give yourself some value that puts you into the 'clearly better' category. You won't ever be better than all men, but you don't have to go there.

P.S. and you're never done improving yourself. Both guys and girls who do that are bound to get cast aside. Make a fucking effort. Eventually you'll even be proud of yourself for doing so.

[jaxword]

Sure, I completely agree with improving yourself first. When you've done that, much of the advice in this thread will be redundant. But I just want to make sure people don't read your post and think that they should become jerks.

While I understand your sentiment, and I do agree there shouldn't be a need for jerks...I'll admit that sometimes, sometimes....I feel like that really is the answer. I know how cliche it sounds, but the OVERWHELMING evidence that being a jerk is NOT a detrimental factor for female attraction can only be ignored for so long. Yes, of course, that "jerk" attitude is a part of a bigger package of confidence and authority (Sort of like how us guys will date a supermodel if she's a complete shrew) that turns girls on.

I can't let myself be a jerk because, well, that's wrong, but damn if I can't feel a voice saying "Just do it, you have to do it, just...let go of your morals."

Of course I can't say this in real life, either, because Guys are not allowed to complain and whine.

[Pollux]

While I understand your sentiment, and I do agree there shouldn't be a need for jerks...I'll admit that sometimes, sometimes....I feel like that really is the answer. I know how cliche it sounds, but the OVERWHELMING evidence that being a jerk is NOT a detrimental factor for female attraction can only be ignored for so long. Yes, of course, that "jerk" attitude is a part of a bigger package of confidence and authority (Sort of like how us guys will date a supermodel if she's a complete shrew) that turns girls on. I can't let myself be a jerk because, well, that's wrong, but damn if I can't feel a voice saying "Just do it, you have to do it, just...let go of your morals." Of course I can't say this in real life, either, because Guys are not allowed to complain and whine.

Depressing ain't it.

[low-G]

While I understand your sentiment, and I do agree there shouldn't be a need for jerks...I'll admit that sometimes, sometimes....I feel like that really is the answer. I know how cliche it sounds, but the OVERWHELMING evidence that being a jerk is NOT a detrimental factor for female attraction can only be ignored for so long. Yes, of course, that "jerk" attitude is a part of a bigger package of confidence and authority (Sort of like how us guys will date a supermodel if she's a complete shrew) that turns girls on. I can't let myself be a jerk because, well, that's wrong, but damn if I can't feel a voice saying "Just do it, you have to do it, just...let go of your morals." Of course I can't say this in real life, either, because Guys are not allowed to complain and whine.

It's tricky, but I know that I've been 'too nice'. I've treated a lot of people nicer than they deserve. Sometimes that came because I was valuing other people (and perhaps even the friendships or potential relationships) more than I valued my own needs. I think pretty much everyone does that at some point, but if you do it a lot you'll end up feeling worse and worse. Girls do this, guys do this. It's the guy that lets his wife walk all over him. It's not just friend-zoned guys.

Sometimes you have to have the guts to treat people like they deserve, that's how I see it. Just remember, girls HATE being ignored.

So now, depending on my mood, if a girl doesn't do something I like I may just cut her off in communications. A lot of times she won't care, but at least I'm not constantly giving of myself and not getting anything back.

Basically it could be said you should value yourself. Don't be a doormat.

[jaxword]

It's tricky, but I know that I've been 'too nice'. I've treated a lot of people nicer than they deserve. Sometimes that came because I was valuing other people (and perhaps even the friendships or potential relationships) more than I valued my own needs. I think pretty much everyone does that at some point, but if you do it a lot you'll end up feeling worse and worse. Girls do this, guys do this. It's the guy that lets his wife walk all over him. It's not just friend-zoned guys. Sometimes you have to have the guts to treat people like they deserve, that's how I see it. Just remember, girls HATE being ignored. So now, depending on my mood, if a girl doesn't do something I like I may just cut her off in communications. A lot of times she won't care, but at least I'm not constantly giving of myself and not getting anything back. Basically it could be said you should value yourself. Don't be a doormat.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a doormat. I know where I've screwed up, I didn't make my move and went from "potential" to "sexless."

I don't let people walk over me, I indeed push back.

I just haven't mastered the balanced needed to to just nice/asshole enough to be in the "let's get in the sack" mode. I mean, I've had dates, but the type of girls that date an ugly guy like me tend to have issues, haha.


However, I think I will try something different this time. I just got friendzoned by this girl. She's quite aggressive and sexually confident as she's flirty and cute. She also knows damn well what she's doing because she friendzones guys all over the time.

NORMALLY I would cut off all connections and not waste time, but this time I may try something new: Actually being more of a jerk than usual, JUST to see what happens.

Depressing ain't it.

Not so much depressing as that's just how this world is. God, fate, society, whatever you want to blame, this is HOW IT IS. You either learn to adapt or end up alone. It sucks but that's the way it is.

[luckyboyceo]

My date last night went really well, though I'm not sure how I feel about her.

She showed up wearing jean shorts and a see through top, which yeah, looked hot, but was practically a 10 on the trash scale. I was borderline concerned that the restaurant we were going to wasn't going to let her in. It was actually kind of embarrassing on my part. The date itself went great, but I knew it would. She's super easy to talk to, and we get along really well. We went back to her place afterwards and fooled around for the rest of the night.

She seems to have wayy bigger intentions than I do. She mentioned numerous times about "next time," and "meeting my friends," and other things that signal that she wants to pursue an actual relationship, which quite honestly, I don't think I can or want to handle right now. I'm realistically still not over my ex and while it was nice to go out again, I don't see myself pursuing an actual relationship with her.

So yeah, as of right now I'm kind of just planning on phasing it out. She doesn't seem like the type to take the initiative to meetup, so I'm pretty sure if I don't, then nothing will come of it. We'll see.

[Entropia]

My date last night went really well, though I'm not sure how I feel about her. She showed up wearing jean shorts and a see through top, which yeah, looked hot, but was practically a 10 on the trash scale. I was borderline concerned that the restaurant we were going to wasn't going to let her in. It was actually kind of embarrassing on my part. The date itself went great, but I knew it would. She's super easy to talk to, and we get along really well. We went back to her place afterwards and fooled around for the rest of the night. She seems to have wayy bigger intentions than I do. She mentioned numerous times about "next time," and "meeting my friends," and other things that signal that she wants to pursue an actual relationship, which quite honestly, I don't think I can or want to handle right now. I'm realistically still not over my ex and while it was nice to go out again, I don't see myself pursuing an actual relationship with her. So yeah, as of right now I'm kind of just planning on phasing it out. She doesn't seem like the type to take the initiative to meetup, so I'm pretty sure if I don't, then nothing will come of it. We'll see.

Of course you're not if you do something like that. Just roll with it for this new girl for awhile. Consider her your palette cleanser!

[ZombieFred]

My date last night went really well, though I'm not sure how I feel about her. She showed up wearing jean shorts and a see through top, which yeah, looked hot, but was practically a 10 on the trash scale. I was borderline concerned that the restaurant we were going to wasn't going to let her in. It was actually kind of embarrassing on my part. The date itself went great, but I knew it would. She's super easy to talk to, and we get along really well. We went back to her place afterwards and fooled around for the rest of the night. She seems to have wayy bigger intentions than I do. She mentioned numerous times about "next time," and "meeting my friends," and other things that signal that she wants to pursue an actual relationship, which quite honestly, I don't think I can or want to handle right now. I'm realistically still not over my ex and while it was nice to go out again, I don't see myself pursuing an actual relationship with her. So yeah, as of right now I'm kind of just planning on phasing it out. She doesn't seem like the type to take the initiative to meetup, so I'm pretty sure if I don't, then nothing will come of it. We'll see.

I'd say stick with it and tell her that you like to keep it easy for a while and explain why and say you've enjoyed it a lot. I am sure she will understand and you can both enjoy the fun stuff while you can dig around about yourself more. Don't ruin a good thing because of old feelings, take my word on that :)

[Idde]

About online dating. Some Dutch guy on here recommended paiq.nl, and my experiences with them are pretty amusing. Basically it lets you get on "speeddates" with random people. No profiles or anything. You just talk for five minutes, if you both agree you can prolong it for ten minutes more. If you continue after that you get added to eachothers contact list.

If you talk to eachother enough, your pictures will become visible. I've had two dates of off paiq, neither lead to anything, but that's ok. A week ago I was talking to someone, and frankly, I was enjoying myself. The conversation went great. Up to the moment my pictures became visible. As soon as she saw them she left the conversation. Which I thought was very rude, but it also made me laugh.

Luckily someone else became more interested when my pictures showed, so most I got out of it was not to became too upset about a rejection. (partly because I also became less enthusiastic when someones pictures showed up). Some people will like you, or the way you look, others won't. Life's a bitch. Unless you look like Brad Pitt, of course.

[The Antitype]

Had one of the best dates of my life last night. No sex, which is fine, we just laughed and talked and kissed most of the night.

She told me to text her, and it's taking most of my willpower to wait a day or two.

I am a smitten kitten at the moment. :D

[LeadProtagonist]

I'm the worst at online dating. Getting all concerned for not receiving a message when a girl is online all night because I realize she's probably talking to other guys instead of me, haha.

I'm even a nervous wreck when I'm writing messages back and forth.

[Log4Girlz]

I'm the worst at online dating. Getting all concerned for not receiving a message when a girl is online all night because I realize she's probably talking to other guys instead of me, haha. I'm even a nervous wreck when I'm writing messages back and forth.

Don't sweat it, just be yourself.

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I'm the worst at online dating. Getting all concerned for not receiving a message when a girl is online all night because I realize she's probably talking to other guys instead of me, haha. I'm even a nervous wreck when I'm writing messages back and forth.

The problem here, as always with these situations, is you're thinking "I hope she likes me" rather than "I'm fucking awesome, if she doesn't like me it's her loss."

You're not sure you're a catch, so why should she be sure of it?

[LeadProtagonist]

I think I'm doing a pretty good job of being myself, it's mostly the waiting to see how she responds that is making me nervous about things.

I mean really I feel like I'm having a great conversation with her, which is awesome.

[FelixOrion]

At what age do you think online dating is okay? Ask it more towards perhaps, around what age would it more appropriate to try it or is there not an age (other than allowed by the site)? If there is age, what would be the perception of someone below that age? Does the appropriate age change between genders?

As an outsider to online dating, it's my perception that if a guy below maybe 22 minimum is on a dating that site that he's considered perhaps a bit of a failure to have to resort to online dating 'so early'.

Or at least that's my idea of other's possible opinions, I personally have no qualms with anyone at age to be there. But I'm sure there are different opinions, so I just want to open the discussion up. Thoughts?

[LeadProtagonist]

I dunno, I'm 23 and I'm just trying it for the first time. I'm not in college anymore so it's getting harder and harder to meet people in social situations. Some of my friends told me to try it out while I was in college, but I ended up meeting someone there.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having an online dating profile, it's just a way to see potential people to date/have a relationship with that you might not normally meet.

[Mr Swine]

People have lives. People are busy and not necessarily online everyday. Plus, typically, on online dating sites, women get far more messages than men. Give them time to sift through them. You can't expect them to read through every single message they get. They receive a ludicrous amount of bullshit. I don't blame them if they simply delete most and open random ones. It sucks, but what can you do? Blame the assholes who send them shit. I'd probably do the same, honestly.

Yeah they have lives too and the amount of bullshit they get is probably a magnitude more than we men get. But still I'm seeing more or less the same people online everyday this 5 months I've joined match.com

I only take issue with girls that bother to respond to the first message and then disappear. Last 3 messages i sent have all gotten replies, even enthusiastic replies, and then they stop. It drives me fucking insane because now im obsessing over what the fuck i did wrong to turn them off. I was tempted to respond to them and bitch them out. Them not responding at all is really their way of letting you down gently, as they figure saying something would imply something worse. I only say something if im not interested if there is a legit reason. Like this nice girl one time messaged me asking to be friends, and i replied saying i was looking for something more but she seemed nice.

I would rather get a short mail where they say they are either not interested in me, I'm too ugly, too boring or so etching else than not getting any mail whatsoever. But that is just me lol xD

[~Kinggi~]

Hey another Friday night with nothing to do. I wanna do something but there is nothing i can think of besides going to the movies that isnt gonna terrify me, and doing the movies alone thing has gotten real old. Having no friends sucks, cause its like, a billion times harder to make the first one. My fucking job would work except it might as well be a cult since relationships /crazy fraternization leads to firing you.

[Pollux]

So since I see people on here recommending it, I just got an account on OKC. I'm always freaked out I'll see people I know on it, and that they would judge me for being on an online dating site. Then I realize that they're on the site too. Oh well. What should I send as a message to a girl? I just sent a "hey how's it going" to a girl who was online. She looked at my profile, which I haven't filled out, but I have a picture up, and didn't respond lol...time to try a different girl lol

[NateDrake]

So since I see people on here recommending it, I just got an account on OKC. I'm always freaked out I'll see people I know on it, and that they would judge me for being on an online dating site. Then I realize that they're on the site too. Oh well. What should I send as a message to a girl? I just sent a "hey how's it going" to a girl who was online. She looked at my profile, which I haven't filled out, but I have a picture up, and didn't respond lol...time to try a different girl lol

I filled out some of my profile and just let people message me. Every girl I've interacted with has come to me first and then I decide if I should reply or not. Kind of reverse situation than what is common, but it's working so far.

Speaking of OKC, going on a date with a girl from the site tonight. She has been texting me the last few nights and said she is nervous tonight because she hopes we click well.

[Pollux]

I filled out some of my profile and just let people message me. Every girl I've interacted with has come to me first and then I decide if I should reply or not. Kind of reverse situation than what is common, but it's working so far. Speaking of OKC, going on a date with a girl from the site tonight. She has been texting me the last few nights and said she is nervous tonight because she hopes we click well.

Good luck!! Let us know how it goes...I would be incredibly nervous about meeting someone in real life after "meeting" them on a dating site. Which is probably something I'll have to get over considering I'm on an online dating site haha.

Any advice for filling out a profile?

[ToyMachine228]

Need some quick advice; I've been talking to a girl who went to the same high school as me. She was actually friends with my younger sister (She's 22, I'm 25). She just graduated college and is back in the area. We started talking online and eventually, I asked her to dinner. She said that she wished I had asked a few weeks ago, because she just recently started hanging out with someone. But that said, suggested that we should go get coffee and hang out. "I would like that" she said. This was her suggestion.

So anyway, I got her number. I called her one night, she didn't call back. So I text her a day or two later and asked if she wanted to grab that coffee this week. She said "definitely" wanted to but didn't know when yet, so she'd let me know. So I text her 3-4 days later after not talking to her for a few days and she didn't text me back.

I'm not ready to give up, I'm just not sure what the best way forward is. Should I text her this weekend and see if she wants to hangout this weekend, or wait for her to contact me, or what? Or should I revert to Facebook messages or something, which is where we originally started talking, and where she always seems to respond, where the phone has been hit or miss. Advice would be appreciated. If this girl wasn't so damn gorgeous, I wouldn't really be amiss. But she is so, I'm questioning myself and I don't want to fuck it up.

[~Kinggi~]

well tonight was fail. Tried going out to a bar but the vibe there was off. Also didnt see a single person there on their own. All in groups. So my instincts took over and i ended up going into a best buy and bought new season of Breaking Bad. That should make me forget about my miserable existence.

[FelixOrion]

well tonight was fail. Tried going out to a bar but the vibe there was off. Also didnt see a single person there on their own. All in groups. So my instincts took over and i ended up going into a best buy and bought new season of Breaking Bad. That should make me forget about my miserable existence.

If I ever must up the guts to chat with people in a group like that, I usual start talking with them based on eavesdropping and jumping into their conversation at good spot, but then I hate myself for eavesdropping on someone, so yeah. I know the situation.

[Lafiel]

If I ever must up the guts to chat with people in a group like that, I usual start talking with them based on eavesdropping and jumping into their conversation at good spot, but then I hate myself for eavesdropping on someone, so yeah. I know the situation.

That definitely works I'd say from experience. One thing to consider is to not be self-conscious about it. Most people generally aren't that judgemental about other people jumping into their casual conversations, and even if they are some that are. Who cares what they think?

[LeadProtagonist]

Ugh, text from my ex. Just stuff how we normally used to talk randomly out of the blue, but we've only been broken up for like a month or so. I don't think we can try to be friends right now.

Plus I'm home alone tonight, makes me feel crappy.

[Etrian Oddity]

Haha, last night reminded me of why I stopped going to parties to try to pull girls.

::edit:: Really? Broken links? goddammit. Well here were the two images I intended to post.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35fy33/

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35hrf1/

[ianp622]

At what age do you think online dating is okay? Ask it more towards perhaps, around what age would it more appropriate to try it or is there not an age (other than allowed by the site)? If there is age, what would be the perception of someone below that age? Does the appropriate age change between genders? As an outsider to online dating, it's my perception that if a guy below maybe 22 minimum is on a dating that site that he's considered perhaps a bit of a failure to have to resort to online dating 'so early'. Or at least that's my idea of other's possible opinions, I personally have no qualms with anyone at age to be there. But I'm sure there are different opinions, so I just want to open the discussion up. Thoughts?

I never understood the (perceived?) stigma of online dating. Why should it be so different from having friends on Facebook? I'm rather open about my online dating, and the successes I've had - if somebody thinks less of me for it, I really don't give a damn.

Online dating is how I want dating to be - finding someone who matches you at a deeper level than just mutual physical attraction, and being able to form a connection without having to go through the social niceties and platitudes first.

[Minamu]

Pretty sweet midsummer's day for me today ^^ Had a small barbeque on the grass with three friends during the evening. We later went to a party but it was really dull so a buddy of mine and I left for our backup location. We barely knew anyone there though so it was kinda dull at first, especially without alcohol I'm sad to admit, but it got a lot better when we started talking to the guys there. I met a guy who was interested in learning UDK over the summer (since that's what we're studying) so that was nice. Some outsider girls showed up for some reason and they seemed incredibly bored for the longest time so we went up to talk to them and they were actually quite friendly. Also met this really cute and surprisingly bright young 18 year old blonde whom I spent about 5 hours together with (not too sure about posting a picture :P). Of course, she found herself a boyfriend yesterday so the timing couldn't have been worse haha. She added her number in my phone after we realized it seems impossible to add people on facebook over the phone. Nevertheless, she and her friend were quite entertaining and more people to party with is always nice :) This party was pretty weird and crazy with lots of strange students I've never met or really talked to before so it was nice to get some company variation for once. Pretty strange to see girls in high positions strip down to the undies while dancing but it was all good (obviously).

[Style Fox]

Pretty sweet midsummer's day for me today ^^ Had a small barbeque on the grass with three friends during the evening. We later went to a party but it was really dull so a buddy of mine and I left for our backup location. We barely knew anyone there though so it was kinda dull at first, especially without alcohol I'm sad to admit, but it got a lot better when we started talking to the guys there. I met a guy who was interested in learning UDK over the summer (since that's what we're studying) so that was nice. Some outsider girls showed up for some reason and they seemed incredibly bored for the longest time so we went up to talk to them and they were actually quite friendly. Also met this really cute and surprisingly bright young 18 year old blonde whom I spent about 5 hours together with (not too sure about posting a picture :P). Of course, she found herself a boyfriend yesterday so the timing couldn't have been worse haha. She added her number in my phone after we realized it seems impossible to add people on facebook over the phone. Nevertheless, she and her friend were quite entertaining and more people to party with is always nice :) This party was pretty weird and crazy with lots of strange students I've never met or really talked to before so it was nice to get some company variation for once. Pretty strange to see girls in high positions strip down to the undies while dancing but it was all good (obviously).

I envy you man. Not only for the story but I've always wanted to experience midsummer.

[ZombieFred]

I am going to bed now but I am fairly drunk and can happily say that I had safe fun with a women of Spain nationality in England. Score!

[Almond]

Here's the thing: You keep on saying all these negative things about yourself. You say one thing positive thing but immediately qualify it with something negative. People can tell when you have low self-esteem. It's not an attractive trait. It radiates off you. Call it whatever you want, body language, aura, approachability, etc. You've said you think you are a decent person. And you probably are. Most people are, generally. But here's the thing: being decent isn't enough. Being a "good person" isn't enough. I once asked you if you'd rather be LIKED or SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE. They are not the same thing. Being a good person will make you friends, but not sexual partners. What do you have to offer that makes you BETTER than all those other "good people"?

From now on I'll try to block out all the negative thoughts I have when I'm out. I think I'm a good person, and once people get to actually know me, they would like me, but I'm still a little confused about what you're trying to tell me.

[Leeness]

From now on I'll try to block out all the negative thoughts I have when I'm out. I think I'm a good person, and once people get to actually know me, they would like me, but I'm still a little confused about what you're trying to tell me.

You can do it! Get that gorgeous hair and smile out there :)

[SquiddyCracker]

Pretty sweet midsummer's day for me today ^^ Had a small barbeque on the grass with three friends during the evening. We later went to a party but it was really dull so a buddy of mine and I left for our backup location. We barely knew anyone there though so it was kinda dull at first, especially without alcohol I'm sad to admit, but it got a lot better when we started talking to the guys there. I met a guy who was interested in learning UDK over the summer (since that's what we're studying) so that was nice. Some outsider girls showed up for some reason and they seemed incredibly bored for the longest time so we went up to talk to them and they were actually quite friendly. Also met this really cute and surprisingly bright young 18 year old blonde whom I spent about 5 hours together with (not too sure about posting a picture :P). Of course, she found herself a boyfriend yesterday so the timing couldn't have been worse haha. She added her number in my phone after we realized it seems impossible to add people on facebook over the phone. Nevertheless, she and her friend were quite entertaining and more people to party with is always nice :) This party was pretty weird and crazy with lots of strange students I've never met or really talked to before so it was nice to get some company variation for once. Pretty strange to see girls in high positions strip down to the undies while dancing but it was all good (obviously).

[jaxword]

From now on I'll try to block out all the negative thoughts I have when I'm out. I think I'm a good person, and once people get to actually know me, they would like me, but I'm still a little confused about what you're trying to tell me.

Why would they want to "Get to know you" ?

[Style Fox]

Why would they want to "Get to know you" ?

Never ask yourself why. Instead ask why not.

[Minamu]

I envy you man. Not only for the story but I've always wanted to experience midsummer.

This is surprisingly accurate :) Thankfully, I missed out on the silly dancing etc this year and had some actual fun instead. At one time though, we actually bailed from the second party to check up on if downtown really was closed today or not. It was of course so we went back for more and things exploded after that ^^

http://rgh.cc/albums/userpics/10268/white_whale.png

Haha yeah sort of. I had seen her on the facebook event for the evening beforehand though so it was cool. A year ago it would've bothered me to pieces but eh, who cares :) I made at least two new party friends and someone to hone my level design skills with, so it was nice either way. Her dad came and picked us up so I got a free ride home too xD He was apparently not so thrilled about getting a call from his daughter at 3am, who wanted a lift home and then having to drive for an hour to get her, haha. She sent a couple of text messages during the ride home.

[LeadProtagonist]

Ugh, more text messages. They're innocent but it's just... hard.

[Almond]

Why would they want to "Get to know you" ?

Never ask yourself why. Instead ask why not.

Because I can be a fun and interesting person to talk to? Is that what you're looking for?

[reilo]

Never ask yourself why. Instead ask why not.

GJ, GE.

[jaxword]

Because I can be a fun and interesting person to talk to? Is that what you're looking for?

I'm not "looking" for anything. You said earlier that you'd have no idea why anyone would talk to you or be attracted to you. Now you're saying you're fun and interesting.

Do you see how there's some degree of contradiction here?

[Almond]

I'm not "looking" for anything. You said earlier that you'd have no idea why anyone would talk to you or be attracted to you. Now you're saying you're fun and interesting. Do you see how there's some degree of contradiction here?

I do. I mean, is that what you're trying to get me to say/believe?

[Etrian Oddity]

Never ask yourself why. Instead ask why not.

[NateDrake]

Good luck!! Let us know how it goes...I would be incredibly nervous about meeting someone in real life after "meeting" them on a dating site. Which is probably something I'll have to get over considering I'm on an online dating site haha. Any advice for filling out a profile?

Date went really well. Sat and talked for about 4hrs before she had to leave. First thing she said was "You're handsome" and the night took off from there.

My best advice is just be yourself. Don't try to sell yourself or anything like that. Be genuine and you'll have success.

[Style Fox]

Date went really well. Sat and talked for about 4hrs before she had to leave. First thing she said was "You're handsome" and the night took off from there. My best advice is just be yourself. Don't try to sell yourself or anything like that. Be genuine and you'll have success.

Easy for you to say you're handsome.