Black Republican
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(04-24-2012, 07:04 PM)

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Originally Posted by gcubed: View Post
and its only april
im worried he'll be banned by the general :(
eznark
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(04-24-2012, 07:21 PM)

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Originally Posted by Dax01: View Post
The margins in the poll are very close to what they were in 2008. Women vote more than men.
Originally Posted by GhaleonEB: View Post
I can't find results on google for some reason, but that breakdown is pretty close to the actual 2008 electorate; Dems have a party ID advantange.
You can't just laugh at the PD joke and move along. Same ol' uptight poligaf.
theviolenthero
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(04-24-2012, 07:23 PM)

So is tonight's primary for these 5 states meaningless?

Connecticut
Delaware
New York
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Tim-E
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(04-24-2012, 07:24 PM)

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Originally Posted by speculawyer: View Post
Yeah, West Virginia is coal country . . . and that really is a biz that is going to get hit by EPA regulations. And I'm sorry but it deserves it. With abundant natural gas, pollution-free wind, solar prices that dropped by an order of magnitude, and a possible nuclear renaissance there just isn't a good reason to build more coal plants these days. Even with good scrubbers, it is a dirty, dangerous, and CO2 intensive energy source. Dems are going to have trouble in coal country.
Yup. This state is ran almost entirely by democrats, but they're all pro-coal, pro-gun, and anti-abortion. You won't make it far in this state if you don't strongly stand by those three points. I agree with the point that the coal industry deserves it, and I live in a county that's probably one of the most coal-dependent in the country. People around here laugh at the idea of diversifying our sources of energy, but it's a fact that coal is on it's way out. This state is going to be in even worse economic shape in a few decades than it already is if it doesn't accept the fact that coal is dying and start looking at ways to bring other kinds of energy jobs to the state. People don't want to hear that, though. They want to pretend that coal will and should be around forever regardless of the impact. The coal lobby is so powerful here that it's going to take things getting seriously bad before other options are considered.
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(04-24-2012, 07:28 PM)

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Originally Posted by eznark: View Post
You can't just laugh at the PD joke and move along. Same ol' uptight poligaf.
you haven't been around for a while.
Black Republican
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(04-24-2012, 07:29 PM)

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Originally Posted by theviolenthero: View Post
So is tonight's primary for these 5 states meaningless?

Connecticut
Delaware
New York
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
sorry man, its all about whos gonna be the VP pick
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(04-24-2012, 07:29 PM)

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Originally Posted by gcubed: View Post
you haven't been around for a while.
Politics is so boring. Elections though, those are fun. I get to vote for freaking Rupert from Survivor next week.
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(04-24-2012, 07:35 PM)

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Originally Posted by theviolenthero: View Post
So is tonight's primary for these 5 states meaningless?

Connecticut
Delaware
New York
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Unless the time Newt Gingrich spent in Delaware suddenly pays dividends...
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Guy, guys, GUYS, since Romney is focused on the GE now, it's left Dr. Ron Paul an opening to sweep in on all five primaries and win ALL THE DELEGATES. The Revolution begins tonight! Dr. Paul will see you suckers at the convention!
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Originally Posted by Tim-E: View Post
Guy, guys, GUYS, since Romney is focused on the GE now, it's left Dr. Ron Paul an opening to sweep in on all five primaries and win ALL THE DELEGATES. The Revolution begins tonight! Dr. Paul will see you suckers at the convention!
Ron Paul's done for. He has left a legacy though.

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In other news, Obama will be grilled in an intense foreign policy interview on Jimmy Fallon tonight.

Actually, people are saying he participates in the Slow Jam the News segment, which should be pretty funny.
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Originally Posted by Tim-E: View Post
Actually, people are saying he participates in the Slow Jam the News segment, which should be pretty funny.
Please be true.
speculawyer
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(04-24-2012, 09:10 PM)

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Not really politics but . . . .

The John Edwards case is a bit a farce. Yeah, the guy is a scumbag and a liar. But this whole campaign contribution thing is a bit of a stretch. It would be illegal for him to spend campaign contributions on supporting a mistress. So how can you prosecute people giving money to support the mistress as being undeclared illegal campaign contributions?

If they declared the money as contributions, it still would have been illegal. No matter how they spend money on her, it would be illegal . . . that doesn't seem to make sense.
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(04-24-2012, 09:20 PM)

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WTF kind of double speak is this...
cartoon_soldier
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(04-24-2012, 09:22 PM)

Originally Posted by RDreamer: View Post
The kind the Media will let them get away with...somewhat
theviolenthero
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(04-24-2012, 10:07 PM)

Originally Posted by Black Republican: View Post
sorry man, its all about whos gonna be the VP pick

Well, i guess i'm the only one interested in seeing where the Santorum voters go.
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(04-24-2012, 10:08 PM)

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Originally Posted by theviolenthero: View Post
Well, i guess i'm the only one interested in seeing where the Santorum voters go.
They will stay home (for the rest of the primaries)
speculawyer
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(04-24-2012, 10:11 PM)

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Originally Posted by Officerrob: View Post
They will stay home (for the rest of the primaries)
Maybe not. It will be interesting to see if there continues to be an anti-Romney vote. Maybe Newt will get a resurgence? maybe Ron Paul will bring in more than 10%. Maybe people will continue to vote for Santorum.

It will be very interesting to see the turn-out and what the total of Romney votes versus not-Romney votes is.

I have no idea what will happen.
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(04-24-2012, 10:54 PM)

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Originally Posted by RDreamer: View Post
According to that logic, Bush and the Republicans voted for and passed bills (Bush tax cuts) that would eventually increase taxes on everyone (due to setting an expiration date)!!
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Looks like Romney is planning quite a barn burner speech tonight to set off the general election
Quote:
At a speech in New Hampshire Tuesday night, Mitt Romney is scheduled to declare victory in the primaries and set about kicking off a general election campaign focused on economic issues.

From the prepared remarks, sent to reporters by the Romney campaign:

Is it easier to make ends meet? Is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? Have you saved what you needed for retirement? Are you making more in your job? Do you have a better chance to get a better job? Do you pay less at the pump?

If the answer were “yes” to those questions, then President Obama would be running for re-election based on his achievements…and rightly so. But because he has failed, he will run a campaign of diversions, distractions, and distortions. That kind of campaign may have worked at another place and in a different time. But not here and not now. It’s still about the economy …and we’re not stupid.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ere-not-stupid

Great line!

He also plans on addressing fairness (in one of the weaker parts of the speech imo): http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...a-in-primetime
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(04-24-2012, 11:10 PM)

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"ppppolls
Romney's net favorability with TX Republicans have improved 43 pts since January! Was 44/44, now 66/23"

Can't wait for the same thing to happen with independents and Obama's lead vanishing.
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(04-24-2012, 11:15 PM)

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Quote:
Is it easier to make ends meet? Is it easier to sell your home or buy a new one? Have you saved what you needed for retirement? Are you making more in your job? Do you have a better chance to get a better job? Do you pay less at the pump?
Yes for all but the last question. No thanks to the GOP for any of it except for the price of gas being as high as it is.

And you would have to be stupid to buy any of that bullshit.
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(04-24-2012, 11:17 PM)

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Originally Posted by Clevinger: View Post
"ppppolls
Romney's net favorability with TX Republicans have improved 43 pts since January! Was 44/44, now 66/23"

Can't wait for the same thing to happen with independents and Obama's lead vanishing.
How can Obama's lead with vanishing when he isn't leading Texas?
Suikoguy
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(04-24-2012, 11:25 PM)

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So when you joining the Romney campaign PD?
RDreamer
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(04-24-2012, 11:42 PM)

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Originally Posted by Mitt Romney's Shit Speech:
I see an America with a growing middle class, with rising standards of living. I see children even more successful than their parents - some successful even beyond their wildest dreams – and others congratulating them for their achievement, not attacking them for it.
asdkjfalksjdflkajfdLKJA AAAAGGHHHH! I swear I just want to punch any person that uses this stupid fucking phrase. Like, I get a physical, seething anger whenever some shitface republican talks about how people are attacking them for their achievements. No one's attacking you, you pieces of shit, but if you keep it up I swear to god I will.

Also, the middle class isn't growing, Mitt.
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(04-24-2012, 11:42 PM)

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Originally Posted by Suikoguy: View Post
So when you joining the Romney campaign PD?
"Obama is a socialist"

Great line, Emperor Romney!
cartoon_soldier
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(04-24-2012, 11:46 PM)

That line is good cable news fodder. It all depends on which way the economy is moving in the next 6 months.

I mean, that's the main thing that will determine the election outcome.

But, Romney talking about fairness does no good to him. If economy is improving and Romney brings fairness into the debate, he is toast.

Romney is officially starting his GE campaign today. Obama needs to kick it into gear too.
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(04-25-2012, 12:04 AM)

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Originally Posted by Suikoguy: View Post
So when you joining the Romney campaign PD?
It is always curious to see Hilary folks warp their original standards and philosophy to attack Obama. It made the Tea Party look like a High School Logic club. You basically couldn't slide a credit card between Hilary and Obama on policy and style, but when Obama got the nod the Hilary hystericals acted like it was Hitler Versus Santa. I remember that old Jewish lady (host) on Air America went fucking MENTAL and turned into a racist overnight after Obama won the primary. It was absolutely shocking and bizarre.
cartoon_soldier
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(04-25-2012, 12:10 AM)
This should be interesting #12329

http://nationaljournal.com/congress/...rates-20120424

Senate and WH agree to close S-Corporation loophole to pay for the Student Loan Interest Rate Extension.

Republicans will oppose it (tax hike), I wonder what stance Romney will take.
Black Republican
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(04-25-2012, 12:12 AM)

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Originally Posted by Stinkles: View Post
It is always curious to see Hilary folks warp their original standards and philosophy to attack Obama. It made the Tea Party look like a High School Logic club. You basically couldn't slide a credit card between Hilary and Obama on policy and style, but when Obama got the nod the Hilary hystericals acted like it was Hitler Versus Santa. I remember that old Jewish lady (host) on Air America went fucking MENTAL and turned into a racist overnight after Obama won the primary. It was absolutely shocking and bizarre.
aw i missed that, link?
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(04-25-2012, 12:12 AM)

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Originally Posted by cartoon_soldier: View Post
http://nationaljournal.com/congress/...rates-20120424

Senate and WH agree to close S-Corporation loophole to pay for the Student Loan Interest Rate Extension.

Republicans will oppose it (tax hike), I wonder what stance Romney will take.
Good litmus test to see how quickly he will try to distance himself from ultraconservatives before the General. TOO BAD WE GOT TIVO ETCHASKETCH.
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(04-25-2012, 12:16 AM)

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I'm also confused by Phoenix Dark.

Is he trolling? Cause he doesn't simply try to tell gaffers to "stay cautious" about an Obama victory. He is full-on playing devil's advocate, even sounding like a GOP pundit half the time.

If it's not trolling and actually his opinions he is posting, it's quite sad to see how a person's political views and rationale can be so fickle that you can fall from one extreme end of the political spectrum into an another. "I'm disillusioned by Obama, therefore the other guy is good!"


This is the only thing I'll say about PD, because it's annoying how he manages to make himself the biggest subject of this thread...
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(04-25-2012, 12:18 AM)

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Originally Posted by Souldriver: View Post
I'm also confused by Phoenix Dark.

Is he trolling? Cause he doesn't simply try to tell gaffers to "stay cautious" about an Obama victory. He is full-on playing devil's advocate, even sounding like a GOP pundit half the time.

If it's not trolling and actually his opinions he is posting, it's quite sad to see how a person's political views and rationale can be so fickle that you can fall from one extreme end of the political spectrum into an another. "I'm disillusioned by Obama, therefore the other guy is good!"


This is the only thing I'll say about PD, because it's annoying how he manages to make himself the biggest subject of this thread...
My hatred of the Yankees allows me to say they are shit at playing baseball, even though they win a lot.
speculawyer
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(04-25-2012, 12:27 AM)

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Originally Posted by cartoon_soldier: View Post
But, Romney talking about fairness does no good to him. If economy is improving and Romney brings fairness into the debate, he is toast.
Please bring it up, Mitt.

I want the guy paying 13.9% tax on $20 MILLION (and who wants to cut that by another 20%) to talk about 'fairness'. Please . . . bring it up.
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(04-25-2012, 12:28 AM)

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Originally Posted by Black Republican: View Post
aw i missed that, link?
Was Lynn Samuels. Looks like she passed away last year. Possibly from rage at the schwartz. She went from being a cute New York liberal old lady to a seething angry old broad. All because of Obama Derangement Syndrome. God rest her soul.
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Originally Posted by speculawyer: View Post
Please bring it up, Mitt.

I want the guy paying 13.9% tax on $20 MILLION (and who wants to cut that by another 20%) to talk about 'fairness'. Please . . . bring it up.
It might not be 13.9 when it actually comes out. I think Romney will be the first person in the history of America to ask his accountant to try and make him pay more taxes than he needs to.
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(04-25-2012, 12:37 AM)

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Originally Posted by Clevinger: View Post
It might not be 13.9 when it actually comes out. I think Romney will be the first person in the history of America to ask his accountant to try and make him pay more taxes than he needs to.
Heard on radio the other day that one of the reasons McCain ignored him as a Veep candidate was his troubling tax records. Let's see how that rolls out.
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(04-25-2012, 12:43 AM)

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Romney projected to win Delaware.

Bye bye Newtie?
Aaron Strife
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(04-25-2012, 12:46 AM)

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Polls, polls everywhere!

http://www.nationaljournal.com/topli..._XgVes.twitter

Obama beats Romney 47-39

Democrats win generic House ballot 46-43. 3 point margin is on the cusp of winning it back.

They also polled generic Senate ballot, which is weird considering there's not a senator up in every state, but Democrats lead 50-39 on that.

Troubling is that a plurality answered that government could get more done if Congress/White House control was split between the parties. What planet are these people living on
quadriplegicjon
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(04-25-2012, 12:54 AM)

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Originally Posted by PhoenixDark: View Post
Looks like Romney is planning quite a barn burner speech tonight to set off the general election

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ere-not-stupid

Great line!

He also plans on addressing fairness (in one of the weaker parts of the speech imo): http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...a-in-primetime
lol you are such a Romney cheerleader.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Strife: View Post
Troubling is that a plurality answered that government could get more done if Congress/White House control was split between the parties. What planet are these people living on
There are tons of people like that, and the cause is that they
a.) don't pay attention and
b.) believe the logical fallacy that a compromise/middle ground is always the best route.
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Originally Posted by Souldriver: View Post
I'm also confused by Phoenix Dark.

Is he trolling? Cause he doesn't simply try to tell gaffers to "stay cautious" about an Obama victory. He is full-on playing devil's advocate, even sounding like a GOP pundit half the time.

If it's not trolling and actually his opinions he is posting, it's quite sad to see how a person's political views and rationale can be so fickle that you can fall from one extreme end of the political spectrum into an another. "I'm disillusioned by Obama, therefore the other guy is good!"


This is the only thing I'll say about PD, because it's annoying how he manages to make himself the biggest subject of this thread...
Hillary44 people are just insane. Worse than Paulites. So blinded by Obumba stealing Hillary's victory, they would rather cheer for an asshole who will destroy the progress of past 4 years than elect an usurper who stole Her Majesty Queen Hillary's rightful throne.
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Originally Posted by RustyNails: View Post
Hillary44 people are just insane. Worse than Paulites. So blinded by Obumba stealing Hillary's victory, they would rather cheer for an asshole who will destroy the progress of past 4 years than elect an usurper who stole Her Majesty Queen Hillary's rightful throne.
Funny thing is, every Obama person I knew at the time, including myself (actually, I wasn't even "Obama People" per se) thought that it didn't matter who got the nom. Either way we felt like we were going to get a great, strong, intelligent candidate to clean up the Bush mess and dong on McCain. And likewise, the Hilary folks I knew personally felt roughly the same way.

But the Hilaryis44 people went fucking nuts. I saw hysteria, racism, just sheer insanity. Was a real eye opener.
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDark: View Post
Looks like Romney is planning quite a barn burner speech tonight to set off the general election

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ere-not-stupid

Great line!

He also plans on addressing fairness (in one of the weaker parts of the speech imo): http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...a-in-primetime
Have you not been following Romney? He's said that line (and basically everything there) for about the last week
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Originally Posted by Souldriver: View Post
I'm also confused by Phoenix Dark.

Is he trolling? Cause he doesn't simply try to tell gaffers to "stay cautious" about an Obama victory. He is full-on playing devil's advocate, even sounding like a GOP pundit half the time.

If it's not trolling and actually his opinions he is posting, it's quite sad to see how a person's political views and rationale can be so fickle that you can fall from one extreme end of the political spectrum into an another. "I'm disillusioned by Obama, therefore the other guy is good!"


This is the only thing I'll say about PD, because it's annoying how he manages to make himself the biggest subject of this thread...
Just learn to appreciate him for what he is. The dude is a master of his craft, but on the downside you can never be too sure if he's being serious. Can somebody post that Obama personality complex he posted once? I'd love to see it again.
Oblivion
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(04-25-2012, 01:44 AM)

The WSJ had their token non-ultra right wing view point article today (thus meeting their quota for the rest of the year) about higher taxes on the rich not likely destroying the world economy:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...997820160.html

As usual, the comments section is very revealing. 90% of the people disagreeing with the article's premise are dismissing it simply based on the fact that the columnists are egghead, latte-sipping, Academia dwelling perfessors who never worked in the "private sector" a day in their lives. A few people try to go into detail as to WHY they think the article's incorrect, but don't really providing much compelling arguments.
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Originally Posted by Stinkles: View Post
Funny thing is, every Obama person I knew at the time, including myself (actually, I wasn't even "Obama People" per se) thought that it didn't matter who got the nom. Either way we felt like we were going to get a great, strong, intelligent candidate to clean up the Bush mess and dong on McCain. And likewise, the Hilary folks I knew personally felt roughly the same way.
I think you forget just how heated the primary was, even around these parts.
Oblivion
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(04-25-2012, 01:51 AM)

Originally Posted by Stinkles: View Post
Funny thing is, every Obama person I knew at the time, including myself (actually, I wasn't even "Obama People" per se) thought that it didn't matter who got the nom. Either way we felt like we were going to get a great, strong, intelligent candidate to clean up the Bush mess and dong on McCain. And likewise, the Hilary folks I knew personally felt roughly the same way.

But the Hilaryis44 people went fucking nuts. I saw hysteria, racism, just sheer insanity. Was a real eye opener.
So what you're saying is that, once again we have empirical evidence that Democrats are the TRUE racists?
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Paul beating Newt in 4 out of 5. lol.
Tim-E
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Originally Posted by Chichikov: View Post
I think you forget just how heated the primary was, even around these parts.
Sweet Jesus. I was a hardcore Obama supporter during the primaries, but I would've been just as excited to vote for her in the general once the dust settled. I would've been making calls and donating what little money I had at the time regardless of whoever won.