[Sirpopopop]

proof

Fair enough.

[empty vessel]

My favorite parts of that interview with Bams: My respect for this man has amplified. To simply shrug off all of the sheer amount of bullshit he's had to deal with?

He's exactly right that he's a symbol. That's why it is perfectly legitimate to direct criticism at him even if it is personally unwarranted. And, by that, I do not mean criticism that invents negative things to say. I mean, e.g., blaming him for a too-small stimulus. Even though his advisers did not give him all the information he needed, and even though the Congress represented a significant obstacle to passing a larger stimulus, it is perfectly fair to express these as criticisms of Obama. It's how pressure is applied that motivates action in conformity with demands.

[GhaleonEB]

So a summer of stagnant growth and high gas prices won't effect the election? It will set the table for the debates, and ultimately the election.

I did not say it would not affect the election; my view is that it will not determine the outcome. The trajectory we're on from August-November will carry far more impact than May-August.

Incidentally, the October jobs report is due a couple days before the election, which will be a first in a very long time. I read a piece a while back showing how presidental approval ratings are highly responsive to job reports for a few days after they come out; a good one leads to a bump, a poor one to a slump. So a good October jobs report could have a non-trivial impact on the election (and probably more than say, the July report, which was my point).

[RustyNails]

My favorite parts of that interview with Bams: You end up having a very thick skin. I entered here with a thick skin, and now my skin is even thicker. Part of what you understand is that you are a person, but you're also a symbol. If things are going wrong, then people are looking to you to fix them. And sometimes, if you're just frustrated in your efforts, you're going to be the object of their frustration. You don't take it personally – you just recognize that it goes with the Batcave and Bat Copter and all the other aspects of being Batman. My respect for this man has amplified. To simply shrug off all of the sheer amount of bullshit he's had to deal with?

re-read the quote :P

[eBay Huckster]

So a summer of stagnant growth and high gas prices won't effect the election?

Given a sudden acceleration of the economy in August, September and October akin to Q3 2003... no, it really wouldn't as far as voters' choices in November.

[NullPointer]

So a summer of stagnant growth and high gas prices won't effect the election? It will set the table for the debates, and ultimately the election.

That is where I place my hope. Obama can actually respond to allegations which is something Romney will have to deal with, and I don't think Romney'll be able to engage in side quips against Bams and win.

And I've seen the (post dissonance-shattering) afterglow that can take hold of independents and even staunch conservatives after a solid Obama speech or smackdown. For a few days after any heavily televised Obama appearance even the most adamant conservatives in my family have to admit that he sounds like the smartest and most reasonable man in the room.

Anecdotal yes, but powerful to witness. The man does know how to persuade, the trouble is in getting people to listen in the first place.

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Don't forget Iran nuking Israel and Europe collapsing into a black hole.

Obama is due for a scandal. You can just feel it in the air

[NullPointer]

Obama is due for a scandal. You can just feel it in the air

I don't know. The Secret Service seemed to do a fine job falling on the sword to cover-up Obama's extreme sexual appetite. The path forward is a clear one.

Unless they release that video of Obama fist-bumping Saul Alinsky. Then all bets are off.

[Officerrob]

Obama is due for a scandal. You can just feel it in the air

Too bad Andrew Breitbart is dead, he would just make one up.

Has anyone actually watched Marco Rubio's foreign policy speech at the Brookings Institute? This guy is "the next big thing" for the Republican party? I dare anyone to try and stay awake during this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftujH_N5igI

[Invisible_Insane]

Too bad Andrew Breitbart is dead, he would just make one up. Has anyone actually watched Marco Rubio's foreign policy speech at the Brookings Institute? This guy is "the next big thing" for the Republican party? I dare anyone to try and stay awake during this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftujH_N5igI

I think Jackson50 gave a pretty thorough summary of what the speech was expected to be, and I have precious little motivation to confirm that he was correct.

[PhoenixPause]

I think Jackson50 gave a pretty thorough summary of what the speech was expected to be, and I have precious little motivation to confirm that he was correct.

The speech was surprising tame in many regards from what I read; he highlighting a lot of bipartisan agreements with dems

[cartoon_soldier]

The speech was surprising tame in many regards from what I read; he highlighting a lot of bipartisan agreements with dems

Which is good.

Considering all Romney wants to do is just say whatever is against the Dem argument.

Oh, and Romney wants to tell us all about the emerging threat from the Soviet Union

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

“We’re seeing the Soviets pushing into the Arctic with no response from us. In fact, the only response is to announce the early retirement of the last remaining icebreaker.”

“You know, Russia is another example where we give and Russia gets and we get nothing in return,” Prosper said. “The United States abandoned its missile defense sites in Poland and Czechoslovakia, yet Russia does nothing but obstruct us, or efforts in Iran and Syria.”

Like...did they all miss the ending of the Cold War? Strange, considering as GOP likes to say, St. Reagan defeated the Soviets...

[AlteredBeast]

Which is good. Considering all Romney wants to do is just say whatever is against the Dem argument. Oh, and Romney wants to tell us all about the emerging threat from the Soviet Union http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed Like...did they all miss the ending of the Cold War? Strange, considering as GOP likes to say, St. Reagan defeated the Soviets...

Perhaps he watched Frozen Planet on Discovery? They talked about how Russia, Canada, the UK, and The US are all scrambling to the arctic because, as the permanent ice sheets recede and melt away completely (so that there is 365 days without ice cover), there will be a huge opportunity to stake claims for drilling and research. Once again, you guys attack for things that are not that far out there. Stick to the obvious things.

[Invisible_Insane]

Which is good. Considering all Romney wants to do is just say whatever is against the Dem argument.

I don't know, I think more liberal internationalism is the opposite of good.

Here's the full text of the speech.

[speculawyer]

I've been saying for weeks that this was looking like 2011 redux. The massive gas prices certainly played a part in crippling some production

Bad timing. Gas prices are dropping right now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gas-pr...091600632.html

They'll go back up eventually though.

But more important for much of the economy is the natural gas glut. That has attracted a lot of business to open up here to take advantage of the huge spread between natural gas here and elsewhere. For example fertilizer and plastics can now be made cheaper here than in Europe or Asia where the natural gas price can be five times as expensive.

[speculawyer]

Perhaps he watched Frozen Planet on Discovery? They talked about how Russia, Canada, the UK, and The US are all scrambling to the arctic because, as the permanent ice sheets recede and melt away completely (so that there is 365 days without ice cover), there will be a huge opportunity to stake claims for drilling and research. Once again, you guys attack for things that are not that far out there. Stick to the obvious things.

That is such a sad statement on humanity. All this fossil fuel burning is helping melt the polar icecaps . . . WHICH IS AWSOME SO WE CAN DRILL MOAR! I don't expect huge amounts of effects from climate change during my lifetime. But our grandkids are going to look back and say "WTF did you think you were doing?!?" Greed & denial.

[AlteredBeast]

That is such a sad statement on humanity. All this fossil fuel burning is helping melt the polar icecaps . . . WHICH IS AWSOME SO WE CAN DRILL MOAR! I don't expect huge amounts of effects from climate change during my lifetime. But our grandkids are going to look back and say "WTF did you think you were doing?!?" Greed & denial.

co-signed.

[Dr. Pangloss]

Hey PD, even Karl Rove agrees that Obama is going to be tough to beat: http://www.rove.com/polling_notes/00...s_04_26_12.pdf

[Black Mamba]

This isn't something I feel the need to prove (and it would require a law review article or book to explain it to a layperson in such a way that they could understand how transparently political the court's actions were). I don't think it's the least bit controversial that Bush v. Gore was an indelible black mark on the Court. I'm only responding to Black Mamba so that the nonsense he is writing isn't left hanging out there. David Cole, The Liberal Legacy of Bush v. Gore, 94 Georgetown Law Journal 1427 (2006).

This evidence supports my stance. I never argued it was 50/50, but the fact that you just gave evidence that there is a sizable belief it was the right decision proves my point.

No need to go any further since you undermined your own argument.

And FWIW, I read a bunch of law journals both ways back when I was taking law courses and this was a main topic so I know it's not that all legal scholars agree. And I find it telling you didn't mention O'Connor or Kennedy in your claims in the previous post (because they don't fit the mold you're trying to create).

I do agree it's perceived as a black mark on the Court. I'm just tired of all the claims of constant partisanship on the court when we have numerous unanimous decisions or decisions where Scalia would side with Stevens and those 2 would be on an island. It's easy to pick out a handful of cases and argue partisanship but that's nothing but confirmation bias.

I don't want to argue this. Nothing I could say would change your mind and it's not worth the effort.

[Black Mamba]

Stephen Colbert’s political action committee has enough cash to play jokes and pull pranks through the presidential campaign, but for now the comedian is mum on how he plans to spend that money. Colbert’s Super PAC, Americans for A Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow has $794,000 cash-on-hand sitting untouched in its coffers, according to March documents filed with the Federal Election Commission, making it wealthier than some PAC’s intended to back (legitimate!) presidential candidates The PAC raised just $44,000 in March, but spent only $28,000, mostly on Internet bills and legal fees. Though the March haul is paltry, the committee is sitting on a significant sum. By contrast, as Politico first reported, Endorse Liberty, a PAC dedicated to supporting Ron Paul’s candidacy has just $54,000 in the bank. Endorse Liberty, initially bankrolled with a $1.7 million donation from PayPal founder Peter Thiel, raised just $13,000 in March.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ises-ron-paul/

lol Ron Paul. Couldn't out-raise Colbert's PAC.

[Suikoguy]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ises-ron-paul/ lol Ron Paul. Couldn't out-raise Colbert's PAC.

Now THAT is embarrassing.

[Averon]

So the money bomb was a money firecracker?

[Suikoguy]

So the money bomb was a money firecracker?

Eh, this is a SuperPAC, the "Money Bomb" was probably to the candidate's fund. Which is all that should be allowed in the first place :(

[eBay Huckster]

Hey PD, even Karl Rove agrees that Obama is going to be tough to beat: http://www.rove.com/polling_notes/00...s_04_26_12.pdf

Don't know why he ranks AZ as "lean Romney" rather than a tossup if it's a 30-day average, because the only two polls of the state within 30 days of 4/25 were R+2 and O+2. (To say nothing about the veracity of Rasmussen's most recent poll of the state, it was conducted and released well before March 25.)

[Chichikov]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ises-ron-paul/ lol Ron Paul. Couldn't out-raise Colbert's PAC.

It's the joke candidate super-bowl.

[GhaleonEB]

Don't know why he ranks AZ as "lean Romney" rather than a tossup if it's a 30-day average, because the only two polls of the state within 30 days of 4/25 were R+2 and O+2. (To say nothing about the veracity of Rasmussen's most recent poll of the state, it was conducted and released well before March 25.)

I'm guessing his model also weights historical voting patterns along with recent polling. I'd put Arizona in Lean GOP myself; I think we've got another cycle or two before it flip. It'll be closer this time around, though.

[Dax01]

Anybody else see Boehner's "blah blah blah" comment making the rounds? Honestly, how is he suppose to be trusted with a deal?

[PhoenixPause]

That is such a sad statement on humanity. All this fossil fuel burning is helping melt the polar icecaps . . . WHICH IS AWSOME SO WE CAN DRILL MOAR! I don't expect huge amounts of effects from climate change during my lifetime. But our grandkids are going to look back and say "WTF did you think you were doing?!?" Greed & denial.

The worse thing is that when the shit undeniably hits the fan, the right's response will be "blame can be spread to both sides, but we shouldn't focus on the past. It's time to address where we go from here." just like with the Iraq war lol

[Measley]

Hey PD, even Karl Rove agrees that Obama is going to be tough to beat: http://www.rove.com/polling_notes/00...s_04_26_12.pdf

Holy shit at Texas, Arizona, and Georgia on that map.

The Hispanic population boom will be the death of the Republican party.

[RobotChant]

Washington Capitals Win Over Boston Bruins Spurs Spasm of Racism

As rapidfire as Twitter itself, what started as a moment of a sports euphoria turned decidedly ugly. There were the Washington Capitals beating the Boston Bruins 2-1 in Game 7 and moving on toward the National Hockey League's greatest prize, the Stanley Cup. Before my disbelieving eyes, the Caps' Joel Ward scored the winning overtime goal against last year’s Stanley Cup hero, Tim Thomas. But Ward is a black man, and before you could say “post-racial,” self-identifying Bruin fans tweeted a cascade of ugly invective, with the “N-word” being their epithet of choice.

Tim Thomas is the player who created a sports media firestorm by refusing to join his team and meet with President Obama after the Bruins won the 2012 Stanley Cup. To be clear, I have zero problems with athletes refusing to be part of presidential photo ops, but his political reasons are not irrelevant to what caused last night’s spasm of hate. Thomas is a proud, financial supporter of the Tea Party. He counts Glenn Beck as a hero and once emblazoned the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag on his helmet.

The significance of Ward's goal is that the man he beat, Tim Thomas, has through his thinly veiled racism undermined what should be a glorious revival of hockey in Boston. In turn, he encouraged the revival of an attitude that people wanted to think was out of fashion.

[markatisu]

Hey PD, even Karl Rove agrees that Obama is going to be tough to beat: http://www.rove.com/polling_notes/00...s_04_26_12.pdf

LOL that is pretty bad if TX and AZ are only lean Romney, in 2 more cycles I would consider them blue but they still have the demographics to stay solid red

That said I got 2 emails in Spanish from Obama's campaign this morning asking me to help get out the vote and mobilize people who are not yet registered. If Obama can mobilize them the map is going to look ridiculous in Iowa, NC, and AZ

[The Technomancer]

Hey PD, even Karl Rove agrees that Obama is going to be tough to beat: http://www.rove.com/polling_notes/00...s_04_26_12.pdf

The two states I identify with are firmly in the Obama camp. I'm happy about that.

[Allard]

LOL that is pretty bad if TX and AZ are only lean Romney, in 2 more cycles I would consider them blue but they still have the demographics to stay solid red That said I got 2 emails in Spanish from Obama's campaign this morning asking me to help get out the vote and mobilize people who are not yet registered. If Obama can mobilize them the map is going to look ridiculous in Iowa, NC, and AZ

I'm more surprised by South Carolina being a toss-up damn. And to think how impressed we were at him winning North Carolina in 2008, at that time South Carolina wasn't even showing a glimmer of hope at being won.

[markatisu]

I'm more surprised by South Carolina being a toss-up damn. And to think how impressed we were at him winning North Carolina in 2008, at that time South Carolina wasn't even showing a glimmer of hope at being won.

Yeah people might end up shocked but only because they ignored the latest census results

KY is another one that might turn competitive if enough Hispanics get registered

[mckmas8808]

Washington Capitals Win Over Boston Bruins Spurs Spasm of Racism

Revenge is so sweet. Screw Tim Thomas.

[Jackson50]

Oh, and Romney wants to tell us all about the emerging threat from the Soviet Union http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed “You know, Russia is another example where we give and Russia gets and we get nothing in return,” Prosper said. “The United States abandoned its missile defense sites in Poland and Czechoslovakia, yet Russia does nothing but obstruct us, or efforts in Iran and Syria.” Like...did they all miss the ending of the Cold War? Strange, considering as GOP likes to say, St. Reagan defeated the Soviets...

Romney has incessantly fulminated on Russia; Rubio also noted his incertitude on the "reset." But he's manifestly mistaken. As exemplified by the New START, Obama has fostered a fairly productive relationship with Russia. He secured overflight permission for cargo flights into Afghanistan. Russia has actually participated in counternarcotic operations in Afghanistan. And they recently approved the use of the Ulyanovsk airport as a hub for the withdrawal of ISAF forces from Afghanistan. Further, and I intended to post on this before your post, he's securing Russian cooperation on the contentious issue of cybersecurity. Has Russia acquiesced on every issue? No. But it's disingenuous to expect total convergence. Romney's criticism is as hollow and fallacious as his other critiques of Obama's foreign policy. Or any policy, for that matter.

I think Jackson50 gave a pretty thorough summary of what the speech was expected to be, and I have precious little motivation to confirm that he was correct.

"I'd wager on it being banal and trite with numerous platitudes interspersed. American exceptionalism is unparalleled. We're the indispensable nation. We need to lead the pack, not follow. I could continue, but we know how stunningly facile it'll prove." I'd say I was accurate. I did not expect an opprobrious partisan attack. Rather, I expected him to affirm his exuberance for American primacy and an aggressive foreign policy; essentially, the banal conventionality of our foreign policy establishment suffused with opposition to multilateralism. The only reason it's garnering adulation is he refrained from the vitriolic, fatuous attacks expected from most Republicans.

[Measley]

I'm more surprised by South Carolina being a toss-up damn. And to think how impressed we were at him winning North Carolina in 2008, at that time South Carolina wasn't even showing a glimmer of hope at being won.

Wow, I didn't even notice South Carolina.

Could you imagine how the GOP would react if Obama swept VA, NC, and SC?

[mckmas8808]

Party Like It’s 2008: GOP Goes After Obama’s Experience Again

BENJY SARLIN APRIL 26, 2012, 6:12 PM

American Crossroads, the Karl Rove-connected big money group, put out its own homage to the “Celebrity” ad this week, trying to persuade young voters — once again — that Obama is a glitzy lightweight.

The RNC, in a similar move, launched an effort to brand Obama as unprepared for office on Thursday. In another throwback to the 2008 election, they used an old clip of Vice President Joe Biden, then a primary rival to Obama, questioning whether he was ready for the White House, and juxtaposed it with a video montage of lousy economic reports. Timing it to coincide with Biden’s speech touting the president’s record on foreign policy, the RNCpaired it with an accompanying Twitter campaign using the hashtag “#StillNotReady.”

Warn voters that a freshman senator is dangerously inexperienced is one thing. Running against an incumbent president with a few military campaigns to his name and Osama bin Laden in the ocean, is another. After all, there’s no one running more experienced at being president than the president himself.

Fred Davis, who created the original “Celebrity” ad, told TPM that he didn’t think the same message could work again in 2012.

“Obviously, I’m flattered that they ran something similar to what we did, but in those days there was no base of knowledge about him,” he said. “The most amazing thing about him was he became president of the United States with no one knowing about him.”

The RNC, however, argues that revisiting the experience angle can work — so long as it connects to the current debate over economy, as Thursday’s video does.

“We and the video are making the point that we were warned in 2008 that he wasn’t ready to be president by many people — including the vice president — and after three and a half years as president they were proven right,” Kirsten Kukowski, a communications official for the RNC, told TPM. “Because he wasn’t ready, the policies he’s put in place in his first term have not turned the economy around and are why he shouldn’t have another term.”

Republican strategist Rick Wilson suggested that the idea of Obama as celebrity candidate could still become a potent source of resentment if the country runs into an unexpected economic or international crisis before the election, making the friendly image of “our buddy Barack, slumming in college bars and auto-tuning the news” look out of touch. Like the RNC, he stressed the key was connecting the “experience” argument directly to today’s economic situation, not to some hypothetical danger ahead.

“If he’d been successful in having the public believe the economy is dramatically improved and been able to keep the promises of millions of green jobs, the experience argument would be weak,” Wilson said. “If the argument is ‘He didn’t and doesn’t have the experience and judgment to make smart economic choices, why trust him again?’ it’s the core question of the campaign.”

Much like 2008, how far the GOP goes with the “experience” angle might come down to Mitt Romney’s eventual vice presidential choice. It’s a lot easier to sell a dull, former OMB director like Rob Portman as the face of this argument than it is a newer star like Marco Rubio, who’s 40 years old and whose stint so far in the Senate is even shorter than Obama’s when he was running.

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The Karl Rove commercial is link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhXGk...layer_embedded

[reggieandTFE]

Party Like It’s 2008: GOP Goes After Obama’s Experience Again , making the friendly image of “our buddy Barack, slumming in college bars and auto-tuning the news” look out of touch.

There's is nothing this man could do that Relublicans wouldn't spin. He could close every abortion clinic in the country and pro-life groups would fundraise on the issue saying that he violated their first amendment rights by taking away their protest locations.

[XMonkey]

Yes, go after him on experience after he will have been President for 4 years. Please, GOP, keep going down that road.

[Copernicus]

The Karl Rove commercial is link below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhXGk...layer_embedded

I like how they point to the student debt issue. Sounds a little familiar, hasn't someone been talking about that lately?

What do you think would happen if democrats got back majority in house/senate this year and Obama won? Would they fuck it all up again by compromising and being nice or will they have learned their lesson and push full left legislation all the way? (Whichever congressman aren't bought obviously)

I think they'll be too starstruck to say no to his advances.

[markatisu]

Yes, go after him on experience after he will have been President for 4 years. Please, GOP, keep going down that road.

Seriously, I am not even sure how this is even supposed to work. The whole crux of that claim was to scare people that he was not ready for the position.

So now that he has been in it for 4 years and the US did not burn to the ground and crash financially how exactly is the experience issue supposed be argued?

[Clevinger]

Seriously, I am not even sure how this is even supposed to work. The whole crux of that claim was to scare people that he was not ready for the position. So now that he has been in it for 4 years and the US did not burn to the ground and crash financially how exactly is the experience issue supposed be argued?

Well, it's not like their previously successful claims have anything to do with reality. The media isn't particularly liberal. Republicans are not fiscally responsible. Trickle down economics do not work. Obama is not a socialist, or extremely liberal. etc.

They have a proven track record of saying blatantly untrue things really loud millions of times until it sticks in people's minds. Yeah, it doesn't always work, but when it does it seems to work pretty damn well, unfortunately.

[PhoenixPause]

Pathetic

In another indication that Republicans will have a hard time eating into the Democrats’ advantage with Hispanic voters, House Speaker John Boehner subtly warned Republicans: There’s no way we can pass a modified version of the DREAM Act now. “There’s always hope,” Boehner said. “I did talk to Sen. Rubio about his idea, and he gave me some particulars about how this would work. I found it of interest. But the problem with this issue is that we’re operating in a very hostile political environment and to deal with a very difficult issue like this I think it would be difficult at best.” Republican opposition to the DREAM Act, and their filibuster of DREAM Act legislation in 2010, have hurt the GOP’s standing with Hispanic voters. Mitt Romney and Rubio want to undo some of that damage with a more limited version of the plan, one that would provide legal residency — but not citizenship — to some illegal immigrants who serve in the military. “Speaker Boehner’s comments show how far Sen. Rubio has to go in trying to gain Republican support for any proposal to help immigrant students,” Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the No. 3 Senate Democrat, said in a statement. “Sen. Rubio should be commended for trying to advance the conversation, but he is likely to find his party unwilling to abandon its hardline, anti-immigrant stance.” Boehner’s response also represents a candid admission that his members aren’t on the same page — and suggests Romney et al will have a hard time convincing voters that the GOP writ large is on the right side of this issue.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2....php?ref=fpblg

I'm not a fan of Rubio's plan overall, but at least he's coming to the table on the issue, and it is a compromise. It's quite a tame plan, and the fact that it couldn't pass in the house is all you need to know about where the GOP is with Hispanics. Hell, it seems like it would be a good idea for Reid to put this to a vote in the senate, have dems support it, and see what happens; if the Senate passes it, the House will simply reject it. Then Obama and dems can truly argue republicans literally don't want to do anything about this issue.

[speculawyer]

Pathetic http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2....php?ref=fpblg I'm not a fan of Rubio's plan overall, but at least he's coming to the table on the issue, and it is a compromise. It's quite a tame plan, and the fact that it couldn't pass in the house is all you need to know about where the GOP is with Hispanics. Hell, it seems like it would be a good idea for Reid to put this to a vote in the senate, have dems support it, and see what happens; if the Senate passes it, the House will simply reject it. Then Obama and dems can truly argue republicans literally don't want to do anything about this issue.

I don't know anything about his mini-dream act but I'd think that Rubio is not the best vessel for such legislation. Every other Latino group gets deported if they arrive here illegally. But if you are Cuban you get welcomed. I bet that disparity kinda irks other Latino nationalities. So getting the hacked-down-mini-dream act from a Cuban might be view as a slap in the face instead of an olive branch.

[Suikoguy]

CISPA passed the House: Discussion here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37323591

Edit: I'll try to post main off-topic posts here when I see them, or make one myself for bigger news.

[GhaleonEB]

CISPA passed: Discussion here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37323591 Edit: I'll try to post main off-topic posts here when I see them, or make one myself for bigger news.

Passed the House. Damn near gave me a heart attack.

[Copernicus]

I should probably know this, but what's Rubio's mini-dream act plan?

[Suikoguy]

Passed the House. Damn near gave me a heart attack.

apologies, I'll edit my post, hehe.

[Clevinger]

I should probably know this, but what's Rubio's mini-dream act plan?

Rubio's mini-dream is: the people brought over here as kids can get some kind of legal status if they go into the military or go to college, but there's no path to American citizenship.