[Cloudy]

Independents are going to be voting based on the economy though. They may not support gay marriage overall (although to be fair, a good amount of independents do support it), but as I said earlier they know Obama can't wave a magic wand and make gay marriage legal. We're still years away from that, and they know it. If Obama loses, please don't blame gay people...

Freaking California voted against gay marriage! I can't wrap my head around why but it's a BIG issue for a lot of people (and potential Obama voters). You do not wanna alienate anyone in such a close election and for some religious people, this is way too "radical"

I won't blame LBGT folks but I will blame their selfish advocates if he loses

[RDreamer]

Liberals are returning to their campaign to legalize pedophilia http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473488 As you can see, new liberal rulings have made viewing child porn legal. It looks like the liberals are returning to their favorite sexual past time... If you are a liberal and are into this thing, then I think it is abhorrent. It is only a matter of time until I would get banned for speaking out against pedophilia. But even if you are a liberal, and don't feel empathy for children, then at least watch this video... of the crimes liberals did to this person's childhood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njaniu_hshE

For the love of God you have to post your paper. I envy your professor, in a way. That must have been the most hilarious thing he's ever read. I don't envy his life now, though, because I'm sure comedy for him will never reach that peak again.

[eBay Huckster]

If Obama loses, it's because the 18-29 cohort and minorities overwhelmingly stayed home, not because the tiny amount of anti-gay-marriage, pro-Obama indies switched to Romney.

[DasRaven]

Do note, Romney will be addressing the Liberty University commencement this Saturday.
The late Jerry Falwell's Liberty University is the hardest of the religious hardliners regarding homosexuality and marriage equality.

Romney is going to jump headlong into the crazy-side of the pool the same week the Sunday shows will be talking about the President's historic statement. Good juxtaposition.

[markatisu]

I hope the LBGT community is satisfied when Obama loses. It's the right thing to do but its too risky right now IMO why push conservative independents to the GOP over an issue when you KNOW he's on your side? Idiotic

Conservative independents will vote based on the economy, if social issues mattered to them they would not be independents ;)

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Well as Michelle Obama would say, today is the first day I feel proud to be an American in my adult life. I didn't think he had the balls, or was a strong enough leader to take this stand in such a close election. Good to see he finally realized the people must butthurt about gay marriage aren't voting for him anyway, and democrats who don't support it (like black people) will vote for him regardless, and will certainly know that Obama can't wave a magic wand and institute gay marriage. And perhaps more importantly, I get to troll Gaborn nonstop now

It was forced upon him. He had no choice. He hasn't been a strong leader on it. But good for him.

[ClovingWestbrook]

For the love of God you have to post your paper. I envy your professor, in a way. That must have been the most hilarious thing he's ever read. I don't envy his life now, though, because I'm sure comedy for him will never reach that peak again.

He's banned lol.

[markatisu]

Freaking California voted against gay marriage! I can't wrap my head around why but it's a BIG issue for a lot of people (and potential Obama voters). You do not wanna alienate anyone in such a close election and for some religious people, this is way too "radical" I won't blame LBGT but I will blame their selfish advocates

Yes they voted against a gay marriage law but also voted overwhelmingly for Obama

Those who actually matter (not the core GOP or core Democrats) comprehend that he can't magically make gay marriage appear

I restate if gay marriage is an issue for a voter they are not truly independent, they are already firmly in one camp or the other.

[Mercury Fred]

I hope the LBGT community is satisfied when Obama loses. It's the right thing to do but its too risky right now IMO why push conservative independents to the GOP over an issue when you KNOW he's on your side? Idiotic

Oh fuck off with your scapegoating bs.

[Clevinger]

Romney's campaign has yet to issue a statement. They don't know how to handle this announcement. Actually, it's been pretty silent on the Republican side as a whole. Hm.

They'll be hitting the flip flop angle hard. It would actually be a legitimate criticism too if it wasn't coming from Romney.

[RDreamer]

He's banned lol.

Nooooooooo

Now we'll never get to read it :(

[Snake]

WTF? . . . And . . . Boom goes the dynamite. jp_zer0 Banned (Today, 12:20 PM) Quote

This day just keeps on giving.

[Dax01]

Bernstein thinks it won't have affect the results of 2012 that much.

[GhaleonEB]

I don't even know what to say.

"Banned" has a nice ring to it.

WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS

I love that response. We're too busy to talk about gays! You hear? TOO BUSY!

And perhaps more importantly, I get to troll Gaborn nonstop now

I've given you grief for your trolling, but this I can get behind. :lol

[PhoenixPause]

It was forced upon him. He had no choice. He hasn't been a strong leader on it. But good for him.

I disagree. He could have simply signed the anti-discrimination executive order many gay donors are upset about and called it a day.

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Bernstein thinks it won't have affect the results of 2012 that much.

I don't either. A very small minority of bigots will change their vote based on this.

[eBay Huckster]

First response (and as expected, it's weak as hell):

“While President Obama has played politics on this issue, the Republican Party and our presumptive nominee Mitt Romney have been clear. We support maintaining marriage between one man and one woman and would oppose any attempts to change that,” said RNC Chairman Reince Priebus.

[Dax01]

It begins. RNC Chair: Obama "played politics" because...just because.

“While President Obama has played politics on this issue, the Republican Party and our presumptive nominee Mitt Romney have been clear. We support maintaining marriage between one man and one woman and would oppose any attempts to change that,” said RNC Chairman Reince Priebus.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...n-gay-marriage

Edit: I'll bite your head off, ebay, as soon as I'm through with this stick.

[Aaron Strife]

This would be my prediction for Obama vs. Romney in the Fall.

Don't need NC or FL.

[speculawyer]

So Romney comes out complaining about Energy . . . . right as oil prices drop for like the 5th day in a row:
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/break...153339754.html

He whines how Obama can't take credit because the oil is produced from private land not public land.

Uh . . . that's because that is where the tight oil plays are right now. Do you want oil companies to drill dry holes on public lands? Duh.

[Tim-E]

This would be my prediction for Obama vs. Romney in the Fall. Don't need NC or FL.

I can totally see this being the final outcome.

[Measley]

There's going to be a lot of Blacks and Hispanics not voting for Obama over this.

I really think he should have waited until after the election.

Oh well. Guess its time for President Romney....

[Aaron Strife]

So Romney comes out complaining about Energy . . . . right as oil prices drop for like the 5th day in a row: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/break...153339754.html He whines how Obama can't take credit because the oil is produced from private land not public land. Uh . . . that's because that is where the tight oil plays are right now. Do you want oil companies to drill dry holes on public lands? Duh.

Gas is 3.49 here in MN. Gas prices were probably the biggest non-issue of this entire election cycle.

I can totally see this being the final outcome.

I think the way this election will play out is that Obama will reap the benefits of slow-but-steady growth in the economy by winning comfortably (but not really landslide territory), while Republicans in Congress hang themselves on dumb social issues, allowing Democrats to maintain control of the Senate and regain a small majority in the House.

First thing that passes is the American Jobs Act (sweetened for the Senate to attract the likes of Collins), then a big deficit-fixing budget bill (passed through reconciliation), and finally some modified version of the DREAM Act and an education reform bill.

ENDA will come up and probably pass easily (likely along the same lines that DADT repeal did), and there will be a push from Obama to pass Respect for Marriage Amendment but it won't go anywhere. This issue will be resolved in the courts.

There's going to be a lot of Blacks and Hispanics not voting for Obama over this.

Right? As if Obama wasn't going to lose enough of them when Herman Cain is added to the ticket. Everyone knows minorities are easily swayed, one-issue voters.

[reilo]

Obama is such a bigot /Gaborn

[daedalius]

There's going to be a lot of Blacks and Hispanics not voting for Obama over this. I really think he should have waited until after the election. Oh well. Guess its time for President Romney....

Are they all one-issue voters or something?

[markatisu]

There's going to be a lot of Blacks and Hispanics not voting for Obama over this. I really think he should have waited until after the election. Oh well. Guess its time for President Romney....

Hispanics would vote down an amendment (as would blacks) for gay marriage, that does not trump their views on immigration (Hispanics) or the economy (both)

You guys are seriously confusing the way minority voting works, if Obama's re-election was tied to a gay marriage amendment then yes he would be in trouble

[Tim-E]

There's going to be a lot of Blacks and Hispanics not voting for Obama over this. I really think he should have waited until after the election. Oh well. Guess its time for President Romney....

Yep, because that's the only thing minorities care about; gays not being able to get married.

[Snake]

There's going to be a lot of Blacks and Hispanics not voting for Obama over this. I really think he should have waited until after the election. Oh well. Guess its time for President Romney....

Switching PD and Measley's username/avatar has been EviLore's best prank yet.

[Opiate]

I don't even know what to say.

I do.

[Hawkian]

Wait a minute, did Fox Nation seriously whitewash the article headline?

[cartoon_soldier]

Romney today said that he supports some rights but opposes even marriage like civil unions

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-...ge-122945.html

[Tim-E]

I do.

:lol

[faceless007]

Now he's convinced he was banned for speaking out against pedophilia.

[Aaron Strife]

Hopefully this has significant pull on black voters when gay marriage goes to the polls.

Maine will have a vote to legalize gay marriage, undoing the 2009 referendum that banned it.

Minnesota will be voting to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage.

And pending bullshit, Maryland and Washington will have referendums on the gay marriage bills that have already been passed.

Just need to get the ball rolling in some other states, like Illinois, Delaware, Rhode Island, and Oregon.

[Hawkian]

Wait a minute, did Fox Nation seriously whitewash the article headline?

Then:


Now:


Un. fucking. believable. It was up for ~15 minutes.

"If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn."

[ClassyPenguin]

Freaking California voted against gay marriage! I can't wrap my head around why but it's a BIG issue for a lot of people (and potential Obama voters). You do not wanna alienate anyone in such a close election and for some religious people, this is way too "radical" I won't blame LBGT folks but I will blame their selfish advocates if he loses

Prop 8 backers had a huge targeted campaign to Hispanics (who are mostly Catholic) and to African Americans.

[ToxicAdam]

Well, I think there is going to be a drop off in support for Obama from the hispanic/black community that could be read as such. There was an incredible storyline in 2008 of being 'a part of history' by voting for Obama that drove a lot of newcomers to the polls. It seems only natural that a dip is going to happen.



http://blogs.census.gov/wp-content/b...970b-800wi.jpg

About 131 million people reported voting in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, an increase of 5 million from 2004, according to a new table package released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. The increase included about 2 million more black voters, 2 million more Hispanic voters and about 600,000 more Asian voters, while the number of non-Hispanic white voters remained statistically unchanged.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/relea.../cb09-110.html


So, it seems like a statistically impossible thing to determine. Unless a polling outfit could round up 1000 minorities that don't vote (in 2012) and ask them pointed questions. Even then .. I would doubt the sincerity of that result.

[markatisu]

Well, I think there is going to be a drop off in support for Obama from the hispanic/black community that could be read as such. There was an incredible storyline in 2008 of being 'a part of history' by voting for Obama that drove a lot of newcomers to the polls. It seems only natural that a dip is going to happen. http://blogs.census.gov/wp-content/b...970b-800wi.jpg http://www.census.gov/newsroom/relea.../cb09-110.html

Yes but you are ignoring the huge increase in Hispanics to the US since 2008, not to mention African Americans are not going to not vote for a black president (his approval rating with that subgroup is near 90% or higher)

Nobody should be using the 2010 voting participation for any kind of metric whatsoever

[AlteredBeast]

Blacks aren't voting for Romney, period.

[Amir0x]

Really?

Really? I voted enthusiastically for Obama, but since he's been in office he has been a disappointment in many significant ways. He's continued Bush's abuses of power with the patriot act/FISA warrantless wiretapping shit. In many ways he's even more cagey and less transparent than even Bush was, with the media and otherwise.

He's UPPED his attacks in the bullshit "war on drugs", even going after legal medical marijuana dispensaries in states like California. Despite his stance on the subject prior to the election, he's been even more embarrassing than Bush on the subject.

Same with Immigration. He's been ridiculously harsh, deporting an alarmingly high number of people. He's refused to take a leaders stand on the subject.

Up until today, I was going to say he was taking a pussies stance on gay marriage - when even your vice president seemed more presidential on the subject, that's saying something.

And then there's the whole embarrassing way he allowed the Republicans to steer the health care debate conversation for an entire summer before attempting to genuinely step in.

I mean, there's a lot I still am happy about, but if it weren't for the supreme court issue, the privacy issues alone would cause me not to vote for him. But because the Supreme Court is literally on the line, and because if a Republican was able to steer the court in even one more conservative direction it'd be a disaster for the court for a generation, I have to vote for him.

Surely you can't really be surprised? You say "really" as if I should be astonished at the way he's performed as president.

I can't even imagine the right wing freak outs after Obama wins again. It will be awe-inspiring.

I'll be giggling to myself and rubbing it in the faces of at least two hardcore racist republicans at my job, I know that.

dat bubble Someone is going to capitalize on that with conspiracy theories of voter fraud, and I fully expect it to be on Drudge/Fox News rather quickly. And you just know elected officials will chime in. It'll be disgusting and amusing

It is what it is.

My favorite part last election was when they kept repeating "He only won because he was black! It was an election on race!"

I had to hear the "it's the white house, not the black house" joke like thirty times. People were so overtly racist after he won that the Army Depot made us Supervisors have meetings with our employees to go over race sensitivity and shit. It made me slightly embarrassed.

[ToxicAdam]

Yes but you are ignoring the huge increase in Hispanics to the US since 2008

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-...ration-01a.png

http://multiamerican.scpr.org/files/...2.56.07-PM.png

not to mention African Americans are not going to not vote for a black president (his approval rating with that subgroup is near 90% or higher)

But my contention was that they will choose NOT to vote. Especially if Obama is a constant 4-5 point favorite. A statistically significant amount of them that could be read or interpreted as having problems with his support of gay marriage.

[Opiate]

Blacks aren't voting for Romney, period.

Absolutely, but they might not vote for Obama, either. It won't cause blacks to become Republicans en masse, but it might cause voter apathy amongst them.

[thatbox]

Romney just now said, about his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman: "That's the belief I've had since - well, since I started running for office."

I am not making this up. I had Fox News on and he was taking questions from reporters.

[The Technomancer]

Romney just now said, about his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman: "That's the belief I've had since - well, since I started running for office." I am not making this up. I had Fox News on and he was taking questions from reporters.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[eBay Huckster]

Romney just now said, about his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman: "That's the belief I've had since - well, since I started running for office." I am not making this up. I had Fox News on and he was taking questions from reporters.

This fucking election.

[Amir0x]

oh my god if he said that

[Invisible_Insane]

Romney just now said, about his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman: "That's the belief I've had since - well, since I started running for office [in 2007]." I am not making this up. I had Fox News on and he was taking questions from reporters.

Fixed.

[ElectricThunder]

It will be a good day when same-sex marriage is finally done on the legal front, the supposed social conservatives can pick up their ball/dry their tears at home, and we move that much closer to deal with real problems instead of wasting time on something that should've been fully legal ages ago.

Assuming people are not just doing this for election fluff and take it all the way to the proper votes and such, of course.

Is it really so hard to not willfully place oneself on the wrong side of history? Simple stuff here.

[GhaleonEB]

Romney just now said, about his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman: "That's the belief I've had since - well, since I started running for office." I am not making this up. I had Fox News on and he was taking questions from reporters.

Romney just keeps on delivering.

[gutter_trash]

bye bye North Carolina