[Al-ibn Kermit]

I would agree that being a great doctor doesn't mean one would also be a great politician, but both have to be good problem solvers, good diplomats (bed side manners), willing to try new tactics when the current path doesn't work, etc.

Those apply to any job. You can actually have all those skills and still be very bad at either medicine or politics, or anything really.

We're talking about the guy who said "Call me cynical, but I didn't think Obama's opinion on marriage could get any gayer."

He's at the very least not a great diplomat.

[makingmusic476]

You missed the point about share price. Lets say (this is all hypothetically - I don't know actual stock prices) FB stock doubles from $30 to $60 per share tomorrow on word of some innovation the company is scheduled to announce next week. That $16 billion IPO becomes $32 billion overnight. Where do you think that additional $16 billion came from. Hint: Not the government.

If you're trying to imply it came from investors, where did said investors get their money?

Why is the $16 billion able to double to $32 billion? Why are there $32,000,000,000 United States Dollars floating around in the first place?

[Cyan]

You missed the point about share price. Lets say (this is all hypothetically - I don't know actual stock prices) FB stock doubles from $30 to $60 per share tomorrow on word of some innovation the company is scheduled to announce next week. That $16 billion IPO becomes $32 billion overnight. Where do you think that additional $16 billion came from. Hint: Not the government.

It came from the same place the first $16 B came from...

Where do you think it came from?

[lj167]

You missed the point about share price. Lets say (this is all hypothetically - I don't know actual stock prices) FB stock doubles from $30 to $60 per share tomorrow on word of some innovation the company is scheduled to announce next week. That $16 billion IPO becomes $32 billion overnight. Where do you think that additional $16 billion came from. Hint: Not the government.

Let's say I have a cat, and someone offers me $30 for it, and then tomorrow on word that the cat can change the color of its fur, someone offers me $60 for it. Did I create $30?

[Diablos]

There are regions of PA that are becoming more Republican, but the urban areas are becoming more Democratic, so as far as demographics go it's kind of a wash. Same with Ohio, though it's slightly more Republican than the US in general.

Yes, western PA (where I reside) isn't quite a Democratic as it used to be, and it doesn't look to be getting any better unless you are a GOPer. Central PA and especially Eastern PA are heavily populated and thankfully can offset that.

Blame it on an aging population, or a lot of white Catholic Democrats who wanted Hillary but wouldn't dare vote in a black guy.

[Kevitivity]

It came from the same place the first $16 B came from... Where do you think it came from?

In the hypothetical above, where a stock doubles in value overnight on word of an upcoming innovation, the market is creating the wealth.

When you own stock, and it doubles in price overnight (as in the hypothetical above) you are not required to pay more to your investment firm to make up for the difference. Your initial investment doubles in value simply based what the market thinks FB is worth.

[Cyan]

In the hypothetical above, where a stock doubles in value, the market is creating the wealth. When you own stock, and it doubles in price overnight (as in the hypothetical above) you are not required to pay more to your investment firm to make up for the difference. Your initial investment doubles in value simply based what the market thinks FB is worth.

You didn't actually answer the question. If FB doubles in value, where do you think that money comes from?

[Oblivion]

Racist Republican scumbag calls African American, Cory Booker "Boy".

This one's for you, PD. ;)

It's hard to graduate a prestigious medical school and become a practicing doctor when you're one of the dumbest politicians alive. And honestly, linking to dailykos (or thinkprogress) would be like me linking to FOXnews. If you're interested in objective political criticism, kos is not the place to go.

Didn't he create his own medical degree or something? I remember he did something that was an eyebrow raiser, regarding his profession.

[makingmusic476]

In the hypothetical above, where a stock doubles in value overnight on word of an upcoming innovation, the market is creating the wealth. When you own stock, and it doubles in price overnight (as in the hypothetical above) you are not required to pay more to your investment firm to make up for the difference. Your initial investment doubles in value simply based what the market thinks FB is worth.

If the investors all sold at once, could they all get that value for it?

The value of stock is relative to the funds people are willing to spend on that stock. Funds previously created by governments.

In your example, the market isn't conjuring $16 billion out of thin air. The total value of a stock is estimated based on the amount of funds people are willing to spend on a single share of that stock in that moment in time. Funds coming from elsewhere.

[Kevitivity]

If the investors all sold at once, could they all get that value for it?

If everyone started dumping the stock, the first people to get their sell order through would indeed get that value. However as the sell-off continued, the price per share would sink.

[makingmusic476]

You're avoiding the issue of where the money that funds all these stock buys and sell-offs comes from...

[Kevitivity]

You're avoiding the issue of where the money that funds all these stock buys and sell-offs comes from...

It comes from other investors (individuals, other businesses, investment firms, portfolio managers, etc.)

[VanMardigan]

Like pulling teeth. I'm not even sure it's feigned ignorance anymore, may be real.

[Oblivion]

Well, would you look at that? Turns out even radio host, Sam Seder agrees with me about Limbaugh's comment yesterday being pretty dang creepy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgM7m...3&feature=plcp

Suck it, haters.

[Triton55]

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2012/5/17

Since when are Native Americans Republicans?? According to this 34% of American Indians reported they plan to switch to voting against Obama because of gay marriage? I'm sure it's significantly overstated in the poll results as by November people will be caring more about the economy and other things, but this just seems really weird to me.

Has to be a case of small sample size for that demographic, in fact yeah that has to be it.

[planar1280]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...six-in-florida

Romney now leadsby 6 in florida

Adding Rubio to the ticket would add 2 points

[Black Republican]

Beaten lol

[cartoon_soldier]

Politico's front page reads like a Romney re-election campaign HQ today morning

GOP Targets Biden gaffes
GOP realizes Romney can win
Tech world cools on Obama
Obama's region of doom

[markatisu]

Politico's front page reads like a Romney re-election campaign HQ today morning GOP Targets Biden gaffes GOP realizes Romney can win Tech world cools on Obama Obama's region of doom

Gotta make it interesting, there needs to be a narrative for them till at least Sept/Octoboer

[cartoon_soldier]

Romney's Bain response this week is also a video showing people affected by the current economy blaming it on Obama.

That is of course the slippery slope with the Bain attack for Obama. Whether that actually works with the public or not, we will have to see, the people in the videos are already voting against Obama, will they convince swing/fence/independent voters that Obama is really to blame for everything that happened to them during the economy or not?

Also, Priorities USA, upped their Bain campaign by another 3 million dollars to total 7 million. Significant now and points to much better May numbers.

[ToxicAdam]

Well, would you look at that? Turns out even radio host, Sam Seder agrees with me about Limbaugh's comment yesterday being pretty dang creepy.

Oh, Sam Seder agrees? That changes everything.

[planar1280]

Politico's front page reads like a Romney re-election campaign HQ today morning GOP Targets Biden gaffes GOP realizes Romney can win Tech world cools on Obama Obama's region of doom

more like Drudge Report

[eznark]

Yeah, all the recent Wisconsin polls have been in conjunction with the recall, and there's more enthusiasm among conservatives.

Which is why the national party was pissed about the recalls. This gives a ton of momentum to the GOP in Wisconsin and already the Senatorial candidates are linking themselves to Walker in every way they can. This is going to provide a ton of momentum for conservatives in the state should they be able to keep Walker in the race.

[RustyNails]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...six-in-florida Romney now leadsby 6 in florida Adding Rubio to the ticket would add 2 points

Well at this point in 2008, McCain was leading Obama by 10 points or so.

[RustyNails]

Which is why the national party was pissed about the recalls. This gives a ton of momentum to the GOP in Wisconsin and already the Senatorial candidates are linking themselves to Walker in every way they can. This is going to provide a ton of momentum for conservatives in the state should they be able to keep Walker in the race.

I gotta agree with this. Democrats dun goofed in the cheese state. Should've just built an unstoppable ground game for election instead of trying to throw Walker's ass out.

[cartoon_soldier]

I gotta agree with this. Democrats dun goofed in the cheese state. Should've just built an unstoppable ground game for election instead of trying to throw Walker's ass out.

Agreed here too. There was no up side in moving forward with the Walker recall.

[spandexmonkey]

It comes from other investors (individuals, other businesses, investment firms, portfolio managers, etc.)

So where did their money originate?

[PantherLotus]

Holy crap are we really debating "wealth creation?"

[quadriplegicjon]

Romney's Bain response this week is also a video showing people affected by the current economy blaming it on Obama. That is of course the slippery slope with the Bain attack for Obama. Whether that actually works with the public or not, we will have to see, the people in the videos are already voting against Obama, will they convince swing/fence/independent voters that Obama is really to blame for everything that happened to them during the economy or not? Also, Priorities USA, upped their Bain campaign by another 3 million dollars to total 7 million. Significant now and points to much better May numbers.

Romney was going to be making those ads whether Obama brought up Bain or not. It's the only way he has a chance of taking the White House.

[Invisible_Insane]

Well, would you look at that? Turns out even radio host, Sam Seder agrees with me about Limbaugh's comment yesterday being pretty dang creepy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgM7m...3&feature=plcp Suck it, haters.

Dude.

It was chickenshit.

Holy crap are we really debating "wealth creation?"

It's not really a debate, it's more like trying to reprogram a stochastic automaton.

[eznark]

Oh, Sam Seder agrees? That changes everything.

Seriously, next you'll tell me that Keith Olbermann agrees.

[AlteredBeast]

Seriously, next you'll tell me that Keith Olbermann agrees.

Would anyone know if he did? He has no venue for his stupidity right now.

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Pro-choicers at record low levels

Nothing to do with what you guys are talking about, but I found this interesting (and a little surprising). Only 41% of Americans call themselves pro-choice now. 50% pro-life.

[eznark]

Would anyone know if he did? He has no venue for his stupidity right now.

His twitter feed is lots of funny tears.

[cartoon_soldier]

Pro-choicers at record low levels Nothing to do with what you guys are talking about, but I found this interesting (and a little surprising). Only 41% of Americans call themselves pro-choice now. 50% pro-life.

Most believe abortion should be legal too

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ch-new-low-but

52 percent of those surveyed believe that abortion should be legal under certain circumstances. Only 20 percent believe it should be illegal in all circumstances, while 25 percent believe abortion should be legal under all circumstances.

Considering Romney is for a constitutional amendment for life at conception, guess what the consequence of that is.

[eznark]

10% decline in pro choice among independents? 10% decline in pro choice among Democrats?

Why?

[Hawkian]

Abortion's not cool anymore?

[cartoon_soldier]

Question is, Are you pro-choice or pro-file?

A lot of people that identify themselves as pro-life but are saying Abortion shouldn't be illegal.

The question should always be, do you believe in a Woman's right to choose when it comes to abortions.

[eznark]

Wait, so looking at the historical numbers, the Democrats really just fell in to the norm, at about 60%, which is where they've been for most of the last decade. For some reason that jumped up to 68% last year. Weird.

The question should always be, do you believe in a Woman's right to choose when it comes to abortions.

Stop biasing the question unless you bias it in my favor!

[cartoon_soldier]

Wait, so looking at the historical numbers, the Democrats really just fell in to the norm, at about 60%, which is where they've been for most of the last decade. For some reason that jumped up to 68% last year. Weird. Stop biasing the question unless you bias it in my favor!

Ok, then just ask whether Abortion should be legal or illegal.

[eznark]

Ok, then just ask whether Abortion should be legal or illegal.

They do

[Kosmo]

Side note, my favorite abortion quote:

The Left believes in cradle-to-the-grave assistance, it's just sometimes really tricky making it to the cradle.

I'm pro-choice, or at least sensible (none of this late term, yank the kid out by the neck, stuff).

[Jackson50]

Most believe abortion should be legal too http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ch-new-low-but Considering Romney is for a constitutional amendment for life at conception, guess what the consequence of that is.

Right. The terms are fairly elastic. If you look at how Americans label their position, the movement seems substantial. But the underlying attitudes demonstrate less fluctuation. Indeed, as Gallup notes: "However, it is notable that while Americans’ labeling of their position has changed, their fundamental views on the issue have not." And most Americans favor legalized abortion under certain circumstances.

[cartoon_soldier]

They do

What I am saying is that the problem is the focus on pro-choice/pro-life identification in the first place. That's what the news narrative is about and that shouldn't be the case.

[eznark]

I think they should ask the following two questions:

- "Do you hate women and want to punish them with a fleshy, screaming leg shackle for being sluts"
- "Do you approve of murdering babies"

90% of Americans are suddenly pro-lifechoice (is it sad I feel like 5% will say yes to both questions?)

Right. The terms are fairly elastic. If you look at how Americans label their position, the movement seems substantial. But the underlying attitudes demonstrate less fluctuation. Indeed, as Gallup notes: "However, it is notable that while Americans’ labeling of their position has changed, their fundamental views on the issue have not." And most Americans favor legalized abortion under certain circumstances.

Yeah, really this is only interesting from a statistical standpoint. Did Obama say the phrase "I'm pro choice" or something last year? I don't get the 2011 outlier among Democrats. Was there some republican push for abortion bans last year (more than normal?)

[jaxword]

Kind of surprised they didn't go all the way and try for "pro-life or pro-death."

[ClassyPenguin]

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

[Kevitivity]

Like pulling teeth. I'm not even sure it's feigned ignorance anymore, may be real.

Tell me about it. This is like econ 101 level stuff.

[ToxicAdam]

If we talk about abortion any more, the entity known as Jaydubya will manifest itself and starting posting again.

[Sirpopopop]

Side note, my favorite abortion quote: I'm pro-choice, or at least sensible (none of this late term, yank the kid out by the neck, stuff).

Kosmo - RINOs like you are what's wrong with the Republican Party!

NEED MORE IDEOLOGICAL PURITY!