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(02-16-2012, 07:28 AM)
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NORTH AMERICAN BROADCAST SCHEDULE

1st fight streaming LIVE on the UFC's Facebook page - 4:30pm PT / 7:30 ET
Remaining prelims LIVE on FX in the US / Sportsnet in Canada - 5pm PT / 8pm ET
Main Card LIVE on Pay-Per-View - 7pm PT / 10pm ET

NOTE: There are 7 fights on the Pay-Per-View portion of this event, usually there are 5. The PPV time block has been increased from 3 to 4 hours to accomodate for this.

Pay-Per-View options include:

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Weigh Ins will stream LIVE on UFC.tv, the XBL app and will be on Fuel TV as well on Friday, Feb 24 at 8pm PT / 11pm ET


UFC 144: Dancing On The Corpse's Ashes or, PRIDE NEVER DIE

The Ultimate Fighting Championship has finally returned to Japan for the first time since 2000, and is putting on an event there for the first time under the current Zuffa ownership. This show is being held at the famed Saitama Super Arena, which was the effective Mecca for MMA back in PRIDE's heyday and the venue for some of their greatest moments. Zuffa, parent company of the UFC, purchased PRIDE back in 2007 with the original intent of keeping it running in Japan as an AFL to the UFC's NFL per Lorenzo Fertitta. Those plans quickly fell apart upon encountering incredibly stiff opposition from the Japanese TV networks who apparently didn't want to do a TV deal with the new American owners of the org. Not only did they have the whole "outsider" thing going against them, but PRIDE's reputation was seriously hurt by accusations of being connected to Yakuza prior to the purchase which made matters even worse. Zuffa eventually waved the white flag, folded the newly-purchased PRIDE and took the majority of its stars with them stateside to the UFC.

Japanese MMA never truly recovered from the fall of PRIDE. Former PRIDE employees joined forces with K-1's fledgling "Hero's" MMA promotion to become PRIDE's spiritual successor named DREAM in 2008 which, despite their valiant efforts never reached the same heights as its predecessor and has been getting worse by the year.

MMA (or "Kakutougi" as it's referred to in Japan) still has a large Japanese fan base, even if it's not as big as before. The problem is that they were spoiled for so many years, being able to watch all of PRIDE's events for free on network TV and they will never pay for PPV in the numbers that people in the US do. Also, PRIDE had many of the best fighters in the world, and DREAM is severely lacking in this department with their roster having been poached by the UFC and other orgs in the last few years. This is the state of MMA in Japan upon the UFC's foray into the country. They've arrived with a great looking lineup, 5 legitimate superstars from PRIDE and/or K-1 and overall just some great match ups. What their long term strategy is for Japan, if any is not known. At this time, no network TV deal has been announced for this event, and if that is the case then the only way to watch it in the country it is held is on the satellite channel WOWOW. It is a subscription channel with only approximately 2.5 million subscribers. EDIT: The UFC announced that they have now secured air time on Japanese network channel TV Tokyo to air the card, but it will not be live and will instead air at 3:15am Monday morning; the event actually starts on Sunday morning at 9:30am local time.

For the first time, the UFC has extended the PPV timeslot for this show from 3 to 4 hours and have put 7 fights on the main PPV card when there are normally 5 fights on it. In Japan, the first fight will actually occur early in the morning on Sunday so that it is still on PPV in the US at the regular time of 7pm Pacific/10pm Eastern. Anyone interested in this event would be wise to tune into FX for the prelim fights that start at 5pm PT/8pm ET however, as this card is stacked from the top to bottom and looks to be chock full of great fights. Also, for those of you who own an Xbox 360 and have a good internet connection (most of you, considering this is GAF), the PPV is also available to be ordered on the console and will be streamed through the service. The picture quality rivals ordering it on cable/satellite, there are loads of cool interactive features and the only real drawback is the delay of approximately a minute or so and getting results spoiled for you if you're on twitter. I definitely recommend the Xbox streaming and it is how I will be watching this event myself.

Japanese Kakutougi audiences are well known for being very quiet during fights and also for being very educated about the ground game due to Judo being a required part a Japanese person's education in school and also due to PRIDE being so huge in its day. They don't boo when a fight goes to the ground. This is going to be a stark contrast to the usual alcohol-fueled UFC crowd with people going crazy in front of the camera and the whole "just bleed" mentality. It'll be interesting to see how this affects the show.

Without further ado, here's the fight card:

Main Card, LIVE on Pay Per View - 7pm Pacific / 10pm Eastern



World Lightweight Championship: Frankie "The Answer" Edgar (Champ) vs. Benson "Smooth" Henderson (Challenger)

This is a pretty interesting matchup and I have no idea of how it's going to play out. UFC Lightweight Champ Frankie Edgar has been on a tear, defeating BJ Penn twice and then drawing and KOing Gray Maynard after that in his championship run. In his last fight with Gray Maynard he became the only fighter in the UFC to ever come back from being knocked down three times to knock his opponent out, and Maynard had never been beaten let alone KO'd (by someone other than himself) prior to that. He has proven himself to be one of the top pound-for-pound fighters in the UFC and still doesn't get enough respect from the general MMA fan base.

In December 2010, former WEC Champ Benson Henderson lost his championship in the very last WEC fight before the org folded into the UFC. He lost it to Anthony Pettis mostly by being on the receiving end of the most impressive kick of all time in MMA. This earned a title shot for Anthony Pettis and sent Henderson to the UFC going down towards the bottom of the ladder. Pettis was slated to fight the winner of the New Year's Day 2011 fight between Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard. Unfortunately for Pettis, Edgar's 2nd fight with Maynard (first as champ) ended in a draw. Dana White decided to set up an immediate rematch between Edgar and Maynard which didn't end up happening until November of last year due to injuries and Pettis opted to take a tough fight with highly-ranked contender Clay Guida in order to stay active and lost by decision, blowing his shot at UFC gold. Meanwhile, Ben Henderson finally made his UFC debut in April 2011 with an impressive win over Mark Bocek and proceeded to run through top contenders Jim Miller and the aforementioned spoiler Clay Guida to secure the very title shot that slipped through the fingers of the last man to defeat him. Henderson appears to have improved immensely since being "Showtime Kicked" in the face and could very well leave Japan as the first fighter to hold championship titles in both the WEC and UFC organizations. Interim Titles won by Greg Jackson game planning notwithstanding



Light Heavyweight Bout: Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Ryan Bader

IIRC, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson is the only American MMA fighter without the last name of "Shamrock" who first gained his fame from fighting in Japan. He was initially brought into PRIDE as a can for Kazushi Sakuraba to crush, losing by submission. He then went on to beat everyone he faced in the organization who wasn't Wanderlei Silva or Shogun and was a legitimate superstar in the country in PRIDE's heyday. One thing Rampage was known for in PRIDE was his vicious slamming ability. He would slam the bodies of his opponents to the canvas and even knocked out Ricardo Arona with one of the most amazing KOs in the history of MMA. (This slam can be seen in their fight which is streaming for free on the UFC's XBL app right now). In his later years, Jackson has relied on his boxing more and more however and we haven't seen him slam anyone in quite some time. Rampage is coming off of a very disappointing loss in a Light Heavyweight Championship fight with current champ Jon Jones and is not necessarily looking to get back in the "win column" at all costs; he has been quoted as saying that his primary objective will be to put on an exciiting fight for the Japanese fans.

His opponent, Ryan Bader had a very rough 2011. He kicked off the year by fighting Jon Jones in February and getting choked out in the first round. Bader then decided to call out aging former champ Tito Ortiz, presumably hoping for an easy win over a big name who hadn't won a fight since defeating a shot Ken Shamrock in 2006. This ended up happening to him:

Luckily, Bader ended his 2011 on a positive note, rising from his grave to knock out Jason Brilz in the first round last November and since Shogun was way too beat up after his epic war in the Fight Of The Forever against Dan Henderson on the same night, Bader was matched against Rampage for this card.

So we have a veteran who is most likely going to end his career by the end of the year going up against a young fighter who had a bright future before his hype train completely derailed last year. There's no telling how this fight will play out.



Heavyweight Bout: Mark Hunt vs. Cheick Kongo

Like Rampage Jackson, Former K-1 World Grand Prix Champ Mark Hunt is a fighter mostly known for his exploits in Japan both as a kick boxer where he defeated greats like Jerome Le Banner, Stefan Leko and the late Mike Bernardo, and as a MMA fighter in PRIDE where he won 5 straight fights, including wins over Wanderlei Silva and Mirko Cro Cop when they were still in their primes. He then faced and lost to Josh Barnett and Fedor Emilianenko and this turned into a 6 fight losing streak and all but one of those fights was lost due to an arm submission of some type. The last fight of this skid was his UFC debut against internet troll Sean McCorkle, and the only reason the UFC begrudgingly picked Hunt up was because they owed him a few fights due to his still active PRIDE contract. Hunt's 2nd UFC fight was a turning point for him and had one of the coolest post-KO celebration or non-celebrations ever:

Hunt followed this win up with a very tough decision win over Ben Rothwell. This fight took place in Denver and the elevation took a heavy toll on the endurance of every heavyweight on the card, and Hunt pulled through. He is now back in the country he made his name in and he faces a tough challenge in Cheick Kongo.

Kongo has been with the UFC since 2006 and has settled into his role as an upper tier gatekeeper in the heavyweight division. At his best, he is a powerful kickboxer with knockout power who came back from nearly being knocked out against Pat Barry to score a KO win in dramatic fashion. At his worst, he kicks guys in the balls and grabs their shorts repeatedly, always trying to stall in the clinch and being frustrating to watch. He gave former champ Cain Velasquez a run for his money and had him rocked a few times, yet got dropped and subsequently guillotined by Frank Mir with ease. Yeah, a French guy got the guillotine.

This matchup between two kickboxers could end up being an epic slugfest, or 15 minutes of hugging interspersed by groin shots. Only time will tell.



Welterweight Bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Jake Shields

Yoshihiro Akiyama is easily the most well known fighter on this whole card to Japanese audiences, even more so than KID Yamamoto. Well known doesn't necessarily mean well liked however. The Japanese public was first introduced to Akiyama when he competed in Judo at the '02 Asian games and then the '03 World Judo Championships. In the World Judo Championships, Akiyama was accused multiple times of having a slippery Gi, as if he coated it with some kind of lubricant. Officials exonerated him of these accusations, but it wouldn't be the last time he would be haunted by "greasing" accusations in his combat sports career.

Akiyama decided to take up MMA, fighting for K-1's HERO'S promotion. He kicked off his career by submitting well known heavyweight boxer Francois Botha (weird, I know but hey it's Japan) and was then knocked out by heavyweight K-1 star Jerome Le Banner. Yes you read right, his first two MMA fights were against heavyweights when he weighed in just barely over 185 lbs... the guy has some balls. He went on to win his next 8 fights in a row including winning the HERO'S 2006 Light Heavyweight Grand Prix facing Melvin Manhoef in the final and winning by submission. Many of those wins did come via knockout though, so his KO power was apparent from early on.

New Years' Eve came around in '06 and it was Akiyama's time to shine. He was set to face Japanese demigod Kazushi Sakuraba in the main event of K-1's incredibly stacked Dynamite!! 2006 card. Akiyama's entrance for this fight was legendary; it was one of the most overdramatic, self indulgent and awesome moments of Japanese MMA. During the fight however, Sakuraba repeatedly complained to the referee that Akiyama was slippery. Akiyama ended up winning this fight by TKO stoppage, but then the controversy began. He ended up admitting to the public that he used lotion on his body prior to the fight and there was preflight video release that showed him using bottle after bottle of lotion on himself. The result of this fight was overturned to a No Contest and Japanese MMA fans had themselves a villain to root against. For his next 4 fights in Japan he was loudly booed and was laughing all the way to the bank with sponsorships from huge companies like Nike. Although he had a couple fights go to No Contest decisions, he still hadn't lost a fight since fighting Jerome Le Banner back in the day and was hotter than ever. In 2009, the UFC came calling and stole him away; he would make his debut as a middleweight in UFC 100's opening fight on pay-per-view against Alan Belcher. Akiyama ended up winning a controversial decision in a tough fight that earned "Fight Of The Night" honors on the UFC's highest selling PPV event to date. As I mentioned before, Akiyama's walk-around weight is just a little over 185 lbs, the middleweight limit and UFC fighters tend to cut a large amount of weight while Akiyama didn't. This led to him being absolutely dwarfed in the middleweight division and he ended up losing his next three fights. The UFC was going to release him from his contract unless he finally decided to cut down to 170 lbs at weigh in time for his next fight so he would go up against people more his size. The UFC has matched him against another former middleweight for his welterweight debut. This former middleweight happens to be a former Strikeforce champ who defeated Dan Henderson.

Jake Shields is coming into this fight with a 1-2 record in the UFC having suffered embarrassing losses to champ Georges St Pierre and top contender Jake Ellenberger, and he needs a win badly. His last fight against Jake Ellenberger took place about a week after his father, who was a pivotal figure in his MMA career on top of being one in his personal life, passed away. Jake's only win in the UFC is also a controversial decision over Martin Kampmann that landed him the shot at GSP in the first place.

Both fighters have high level grappling backgrounds; Akiyama in Judo and Shields in wrestling and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Akiyama's striking is quite a bit better however, if not predictable at times with his head-hunting style. In this fight I see Shields getting Akiyama on his back with ease and securing a submission in the 2nd round, but maybe Akiyama will surprise us at welterweight. Hopefully he's worked on his cardio because his cardio is what failed him in the Leben fight and it has been an issue for his entire career.



Middleweight Bout: Yushin Okami vs. Tim Boetsch



Featherweight Bout: Hatsu Hioki vs. Bart "Bartimus" Palaszewski



Lightweight Bout: Anthony "Showtime" Pettis vs. Joe "J-Lau" Lauzon




Preliminary Card - 5pm Pacific / 8pm Eastern LIVE on FX in the US, Sportsnet in Canada



Lightweight Bout - "The Fireball Kid" Takanori Gomi vs. Eiji Mitsuoka



Bantamweight Bout - Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto vs. Vaughan Lee



Middleweight Bout - Riki Fukuda vs. Steve Cantwell
Bantamweight Bout - Takeya Mizugaki vs. Chris Cariaso



Prelim streamed LIVE from http://www.facebook.com/UFC:



Featherweight Bout: Zhang Tie Quan vs. Issei Tamura
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Noirulus
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(02-16-2012, 07:29 AM)
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This will probably be Sexyama's last fight in the UFC if he loses :(
BigJonsson
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(02-16-2012, 07:36 AM)
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Uhhh, I don't think there are 7 bouts on the main card starting at 10.......unless UFC is going for a record length PPV


Oh fuck, there are 7 fights on the main card :o

I need to read OP's haha


SO GLAD I'm not working that night haha


I'm not even watching this one live as its my bday party, gonna have to be on sports news, twitter and facebook blackout all night
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Yousefb
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(02-16-2012, 07:39 AM)
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Isn't this card supposed to be a 4 hour show?
TheKaeptain
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(02-16-2012, 07:42 AM)
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Fuck Dana. This was the perfect time to have Totoro in the spotlight. :( I guess he will be at home digging into his porn collection.
polyh3dron
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(02-16-2012, 07:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by BigJonsson

Uhhh, I don't think there are 7 bouts on the main card starting at 10.......unless UFC is going for a record length PPV

Originally Posted by Yousefb

Isn't this card supposed to be a 4 hour show?

lol I guess I should just not go to the trouble of typing up OPs anymore. Poster, fight card and that's it.
BigJonsson
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Originally Posted by polyh3dron

lol I guess I should just not go to the trouble of typing up OPs anymore. Poster, fight card and that's it.



Haha sorry, it got lost in there with the history of Japan MMA :p
Yousefb
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(02-16-2012, 07:53 AM)
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^ Yes that :P
rikichi
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(02-16-2012, 07:53 AM)
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Card is amazing!!!
Yousefb
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(02-16-2012, 07:55 AM)
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I hope Akiyama wins this time
polyh3dron
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(02-16-2012, 08:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Yousefb

I hope Akiyama wins this time

As long as Shields has a good weight cut I have him winning by sub, and especially if the weight cut doesn't go well for Akiyama who will be fighting at 170lbs for the first time.
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(02-16-2012, 08:11 AM)
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Sexy is knocking that Cesar camp bitch out.
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(02-16-2012, 08:11 AM)
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Ya, I'm pretty excited about this event. Good op.
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Akiyama at least has a fighters chance to get a KO before being wrestled to a decision.
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(02-16-2012, 08:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by CaptYamato

Sexy is knocking that Cesar camp bitch out.

yeah, a lighter Sexyama will do what Dan Henderson couldn't
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(02-16-2012, 09:02 AM)
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I Hope the show opens with the Pride theme, that would be epic. One of you twitter users hit up Dana to do it!
polyh3dron
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(02-16-2012, 09:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Luixfern

I Hope the show opens with the Pride theme, that would be epic. One of you twitter users hit up Dana to do it!

lol not gonna happen. Epic new intro followed by TIME TO END THIS SUFFERING
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Originally Posted by polyh3dron

lol not gonna happen. Epic new intro followed by TIME TO END THIS SUFFERING

Let me down gently at least man. :-(
Balehead
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(02-16-2012, 09:13 AM)
Looking good on paper, hope it turns out to be a great card. Akiyama to lose his way to an interim title shot?
Jake.
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(02-16-2012, 09:33 AM)
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best written card op in a while.
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I really think Bendo will make the champ look bad.


World Lightweight Championship: Frankie Edgar (Champ) vs. Benson Henderson (Challenger)
Light Heavyweight Bout: Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Ryan Bader
Heavyweight Bout: Mark Hunt vs. Cheick Kongo
Welterweight Bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Jake Shields
Middleweight Bout: Yushin Okami vs. Tim Boetsch
Featherweight Bout: Hatsu Hioki vs. Bart "Bartimus" Palaszewski
Lightweight Bout: Anthony "Showtime" Pettis vs. Joe "J-Lau" Lauzon
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(02-16-2012, 10:10 AM)
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Looking forward to this.
yacobod
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Best card on paper in recent memory.

Will lol when japanese fighters get swept too. Uncle dana will be laughing somewhere.

obligatory
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(02-16-2012, 11:27 AM)
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Pissed that G-Sot is out but it's a pretty good card still. Will have to cheer for Mark Hunt.
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came to post that i like the thread title :)
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(02-16-2012, 12:28 PM)
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I haven't been this excited to see a fight card since UFC 136.

And yeah, I'll be buying this (perhaps on the 360) just to support a crowd isn't indistinguishable from a college football jamboree.
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(02-16-2012, 01:45 PM)
Frankie is from my hometown and I am really nervous about this fight. Ben Henderson, unlike Praynard, is fast, strong and athletic. He is probably quicker and more explosive than Frankie. Frankie has a great motor and is a decent boxer. I hope Frankie can get some takedowns and keep him guessing because Henderson is stronger than him and can probably outstrike him too.
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(02-16-2012, 01:52 PM)
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lol @ Bendo outstriking Edgar

The mild hypetrain surrounding Benson is about to come to a halt.
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I'm really thinking Frankie is going to be too fast for Henderson, or at least I'm hoping he will be.
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Going to this event! I have been a fan of UFC for around 2 years now, but this will be the first time that I actually have had the opportunity to go see it live. I'm pretty broke, so was unable to afford tickets, but I was lucky and got a call from a classmate who somehow got us tickets for free (pretty good seats too) through some family connection. I'm pumped!
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Originally Posted by Chamber

lol @ Bendo outstriking Edgar

something we can agree about.
Chamber
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(02-16-2012, 02:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by yacobod

something we can agree about.

Are you as disgusted as I am?
yacobod
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Originally Posted by Chamber

Are you as disgusted as I am?

no. I'm just disgusted at the horrible news I read this morning in the OT. I'm sure Mr. Rogan will be wearing black in mourning of her loss at UFC 144.
Boogie
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(02-16-2012, 02:32 PM)

Originally Posted by polyh3dron

yeah, a lighter Sexyama will do what Dan Henderson couldn't


That "lol, how is he going to KO shields when Henderson couldn't?" argument is invalid since ellenburger.
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As I see it Benson Henderson is Gray Maynard but stronger and faster with better takedown defense and an infinitely less shitty attitude. Best of all he's got a stronger neck. When we compliment a fighter's chin we're really calling it for his neck being strong enough to keep his head from snapping back and bouncing his brain off his skull. Smooth has that quality in spades.

Being able to outstrike Frankie, though? Not likely. And this is coming from a Smooth fan club member.

I haven't decided how to call the rest of the fight card, but Edgar v. Henderson will go to Smooth. Edgar was always a class above Penn (cat just didn't know it yet) and while Maynard came close he gasses like a heavyweight - and that's been his only competition for two years. Without a Round Two to rest up Edgar's going to be feeling the pressure. I'd feel the same way even if Guida was the one facing him in Japan. Fighting only his third opponent since his championship reign began may reveal how skilled he really is.
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lauzon/pettis could be awesome. really like both fighters, but i've kind of given up on joe being a contender so i'll be rooting for pettis to shine - i think. i dunno, creepy joe has been one of my favs for years now...
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Originally Posted by Boogie

That "lol, how is he going to KO shields when Henderson couldn't?" argument is invalid since ellenburger.

the counter argument is has akiyama shown anything that would remotely put him in position to be a favorite over any top 10 contender in the UFC. besides being gifted a decision to belcher, he would be 0-4 in the UFC. both guys are MW cutting to WW, so i don't see how any advantages for akiyama.

it's pink slip time for akiyama. he better enjoy his last pompous ring entrance to andrea bocelli.
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Originally Posted by MjFrancis

As I see it Benson Henderson is Gray Maynard but stronger and faster with better takedown defense and an infinitely less shitty attitude. Best of all he's got a stronger neck. When we compliment a fighter's chin we're really calling it for his neck being strong enough to keep his head from snapping back and bouncing his brain off his skull. Smooth has that quality in spades.

The fighter you described would have murdered Anthony Pettis.
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There was a reason Henderson/Pettis was Fight of the Year 2010. Pettis Matrix kick aside, both fighters put it all on the line and Pettis is the one who hasn't looked the same since. The fight was close and if you watch it again it's more evidence for Smooth's iron neck. I believe he learned a lot from that match as he hasn't got tooled around as much since.

Frankie had two fights in a row where he faced a guy who smacked him around the ring like a ragdoll in round one. Facing a fighter with similar power who doesn't let up, he's not going to be the comeback kid this time around.
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Originally Posted by MjFrancis

There was a reason Henderson/Pettis was Fight of the Year 2010. Pettis Matrix kick aside, both fighters put it all on the line and Pettis is the one who hasn't looked the same since. The fight was close and if you watch it again it's more evidence for Smooth's iron neck. I believe he learned a lot from that match as he hasn't got tooled around as much since.

Frankie had two fights in a row where he faced a guy who smacked him around the ring like a ragdoll in round one. Facing a fighter with similar power who doesn't let up, he's not going to be the comeback kid this time around.

when has benson henderson ever showed power standing up?
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Early picks

Originally Posted by polyh3dron


Main Card, LIVE on Pay Per View - 7pm Pacific / 10pm Eastern

World Lightweight Championship: Frankie Edgar (Champ) vs. Benson Henderson (Challenger)
Light Heavyweight Bout: Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Ryan Bader
Heavyweight Bout: Mark Hunt vs. Cheick Kongo
Welterweight Bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Jake Shields
Middleweight Bout: Yushin Okami vs. Tim Boetsch
Featherweight Bout: Hatsu Hioki vs. Bart "Bartimus" Palaszewski
Lightweight Bout: Anthony "Showtime" Pettis vs. Joe "J-Lau" Lauzon

Preliminary Card - 5pm Pacific / 8pm Eastern LIVE on FX in the US, Sportsnet in Canada

Lightweight Bout - "The Fireball Kid" Takanori Gomi vs. Eiji Mitsuoka
Bantamweight Bout - Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto vs. Vaughan Lee
Middleweight Bout - Riki Fukuda vs. Steve Cantwell
Bantamweight Bout - Takeya Mizugaki vs. Chris Cariaso
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Card of 2012.
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(02-16-2012, 04:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by charlie_l

Going to this event! I have been a fan of UFC for around 2 years now, but this will be the first time that I actually have had the opportunity to go see it live. I'm pretty broke, so was unable to afford tickets, but I was lucky and got a call from a classmate who somehow got us tickets for free (pretty good seats too) through some family connection. I'm pumped!

Awesome, let us know what the crowd is like in Saitama.
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Originally Posted by yacobod

when has benson henderson ever showed power standing up?

Given Donald Cerrone's apparent gift of being punched in the face a record number of times I might cite their first fight in hindsight. Shane Roller comes to mind but aside from Castillo and Varner I can't come up with a good fighter he's beaten; Roller is mid-tier at best.

The strength is there, believe it. When Frankie hits Benson (and he will, many times) the judges will write it down and when Benson hits Frankie his face will show it.
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If it's a stand up fight bendo is going to lose. The only way he wins is if he uses his wrestling, works for takedowns, creates scrambles, works the clinch game, and dirty boxes out of the clinch.

If it's a stand up fight he loses every time.
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Has Frankie Edgar taken a lesson from Carlos Condit to stand up and keep his distance for the whole fight? Of course this assumes Henderson forgets he's a grappler and zombies about the center of the ring for twenty-three minutes, all the while letting a smaller fighter inside without clinching. Are you kidding me? The clinching is going to be as furious as Sonnen v. Bisping (keeping in mind the size difference between Frankie and Benson is much wider). How did that pan out for The Count?

Originally Posted by yacobod

The only way he wins is if he uses his wrestling, works for takedowns, creates scrambles, works the clinch game, and dirty boxes out of the clinch.

The bolded should be Edgar's game plan, because this is exactly what Smooth is going to bring.

It's brazen to predict a stand-up fight with a grappler as comparatively powerful as Henderson. Moreso than picking a winner.
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Bendo is winning this. I like Edgar too but Bendo is red hot and will bully Edgar.

Do people really see Bader beating QRJ? jeez dude lost to Tito in the 1st round. Hes gonna get stomped. IF he does win than I think Page might just retire.
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Edgar outwrestled Maynard the last 2 times they fought, who has better credentials than Bendo. Are we supposed to disregard that and assume Bendo is some wrestling machine?

Bendo couldn't take down Pettis, who doesn't exactly have the best TDD either.

I think some people are sipping the typical 155# winning streak kool aid.
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Host Samurai knows what's up. Similarly, I like Edgar it's just going to be laborious for him to come out on top. He's not going to be gifted the fight ala Edgar v. Penn II and he's not going to keep it standing the whole time. Given those assumptions he's got his work cut out for him.
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Originally Posted by yacobod

Bendo couldn't take down Pettis, who doesn't exactly have the best TDD either.

He did take him down, albeit less frequently and stuffed way too much. But since then who would have predicted Henderson outwrestling Jim Miller?
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Originally Posted by yacobod

Edgar outwrestled Maynard the last 2 times they fought, who has better credentials than Bendo. Are we supposed to disregard that and assume Bendo is some wrestling machine?

Bendo couldn't take down Pettis, who doesn't exactly have the best TDD either.

I think some people are sipping the typical 155# winning streak kool aid.

wow... i agree with yaco.

i think edgar takes it, though its anything but a sure thing.

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