[DarkChild]

Interesting...I have a feeling we're going to have more than causal next gen :)

It’s no secret that the Kinect is outselling the PlayStation Move by quite a fair margin, so Sony may be looking to come out with their own Kinect competitor that can actually sense depth and track subtle movements where the PS Eye cannot. A newly published patent has revealed that the company has begun work on a new 3D camera that could potentially be a part of the PlayStation 4. Only just published, what’s most interesting about the patent is that is was originally filed last October – a full year after the Kinect launched and broke Guinness World Records for sales. Sony previously admitted they had looked into 3D cameras long before the Kinect was a reality, but decided against it in favor of a button-based peripheral – the PS Move. However, now that Move and PS Eye-creator Dr Richard Marks has published the new patent, it does certainly suggest that the company has once again started to look into such a system.

More at...
http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...ation-Consoles

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[felipepl]

Move Am cry.

[entrement]

What's the site? C'mon, bro.

[Deadly Joker]

Buttons are so last gen.

[Combichristoffersen]

Uncharted Qnect; you are the serial killer

[Byakuya769]

Not a #gamechanger.

[Globox_82]

It nice to see people forget that sony created EyeToy, you know just like Kinect but much worse. Short translation same shit different package.

[sixteen-bit]

Not a #gamechanger.

what's the story behind this hash tag?

[stilgar]

Not a #gamechanger.

Too soon.

what's the story behind this hash tag?

Viral campaign for Vita launch in America. Huge success, as proved by your question.

[GarthVaderUK]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463848

Don't know why that thread was ignored, seems to be the source of this story.

[Mr Swine]

It nice to see people forget that sony created EyeToy, you know just like Kinect but much worse. Short translation same shit different package.

Web cameras where before EyeToy

[Metalmurphy]

Web cameras where before EyeToy

Web cameras didn't have this:

[Skiesofwonder]

Next-Gen is going to be signified by a cup filled to the brim with manly tears.

[TTP]

Move Am cry.

Companion

[fernoca]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463848 Don't know why that thread was ignored, seems to be the source of this story.

Yeah. The forum posts links to a banned site, that the source is..NeoGAF. :p

[Kyoufu]

I don't want Kinect in any of my consoles. Sony please stop copying other companies.

[Special J]

so 4 years later until tablet controller patent from sony?

[Fire Walk With Me]

I don't want Kinect in any of my consoles. Sony please stop copying other companies.

pc elitest.

[SuperSonic1305]

I don't want Kinect in any of my consoles. Sony please stop copying other companies.

PS2 had Kinect and it was the best console OF ALL THE TIMES

[alr1ght]

[GTP_Daverytimes]

I don't want Kinect in any of my consoles. Sony please stop copying other companies.

You forgot to put /s at the end, or are you serious?

[Combichristoffersen]

so 4 years later until tablet controller patent from sony?

They actually patented something like that before Nintendo showed off the Umote. There was a GAF thread about it IIRC.

[Takao]

so 4 years later until tablet controller patent from sony?

they've actually had those patents for a few years now lol

They have like 2 different patents relating to something similar to Wii U that were done prior to E3.

[Marty Chinn]

Man, my TV is going to start looking like this:



with all the stupid gimmick add-ons that are going to be standard across all platforms and each are proprietary.

[tranciful]

Move Am cry.

..or Move gets a beefier camera and it'll be the best of both worlds?

[NeoGohan]

they've actually had those patents for a few years now lol They have like 2 different patents relating to something similar to Wii U that were done prior to E3.

everyone has patents.

there is a big difference between a patent and actually DOING IT

[Hyuga]

So it's "KINECT-like" instead of "upgrading their PlayStation Eye(-Toy) which they already have since the PS2 era"?

[RukusProvider]

Monkey see, monkey do.

[Orin GA]

Man, my TV is going to start looking like this: with all the stupid gimmick add-ons that are going to be standard across all platforms and each are proprietary.

[Byakuya769]

I couldn't care less who did what first, if Sony can "do kinect" better than Kinect, more power to them. However, I want Sony to innovate in some way for the next gen. Right now I'm not seeing it.

[Takao]

everyone has patents. there is a big difference between a patent and actually DOING IT

I know that, dude was just joking on how long it would take Sony to file Wii U copycat patents. I was just making a point that they filed similar patents before Wii U was revealed.

[GarthVaderUK]

I couldn't care less who did what first, if Sony can "do kinect" better than Kinect, more power to them.

Exactly. There's lots of room for improvement, I'm hoping the next version of Kinect is a step up too.

[TTP]

I don't want Kinect in any of my consoles. Sony please stop copying other companies.

It will never be just that. Kinect-like functionalities would actually enhance the Move possibilities as they provide extra information about player absolute position/distance/orientation so you don't have to guess that via Move tracking. ie Move alone can't tell the difference between moving to the side or just extending the arm to the side. Or between moving forward or extending your arm forward.

I see this as an upgrade of the "PS Eye-side" of the whole Move set up.

[KAL2006]

PS4 will have Kinect, Move, and Touchscreen controller. Sony will try to cover every base.

[Afrikan]

Well it didn't seem worth it for them to invest in that type of camera before....it worked out for Microsoft, which probebly resulted in Sony taking a second look....just because parts and software is probebly way cheaper now.

So next gen both motion setups will be similar, huh?

Kinect 2 will have a move like controller as an option.

PSEYE 2 will have a 3D camera, which will still work with older move controllers.

[Maxrunner]

PS4 will have Kinect, Move, and Touchscreen controller. Sony will try to cover every base.

except the bleeding base....

[AndyD]

Move Am cry.

Nah. Combine Move and Kinect and you have the best of both worlds.

[Liamario]

PS4 will have Kinect, Move, and Touchscreen controller. Sony will try to cover every base.

Exactly what they'll do. Perhaps do all 3 not as well as their competitors.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Kinect 2 will have a move like controller as an option.

Not necessarily, a Move-like controller is not really what Kinect needs, but a navigation controller would be rather useful.

[Alx]

So it's "KINECT-like" instead of "upgrading their PlayStation Eye(-Toy) which they already have since the PS2 era"?

Why, yes, since a depth camera is a different technology from a regular 2D camera, and kinect is currently the reference in the matter.
Going from Eyetoy to PSEye/Move is an upgrade, going from 2D camera to 3D camera is a technology shift.

[Anticitizen One]

Man, my TV is going to start looking like this: with all the stupid gimmick add-ons that are going to be standard across all platforms and each are proprietary.

This is what Steve Jobs nightmares used to look like I bet

[Haunted]

Calling it now, Wii U to be the only console with buttons next generation.

[jono51]

Calling it now, Wii U to be the only console with buttons next generation.

Oh lawdy if that were to happen....

[Leshita]

If they are really doing this, it better be as good as the next-gen Kinect's implementation and come bundled with the system, or else it will just be another unsupported accessory by the developers.

Even though I am not a fan of motion-gaming, I am interested in passive detection where the game changes based off of my facial expression or gestures without explicitly letting me know that I am affecting game. Combine that with some sort of vitality sensor implementation that I recall Sony also patented and it could make for some interesting experiences.

[V_Ben]

Sounds like the next generation of PSEye to me. If you're going to make a camera for your next gen system, you'd be mad to not put some kind of Kinect-esque functionality in there.

[KAL2006]

If they are really doing this, it better be as good as the next-gen Kinect's implementation and come bundled with the system, or else it will just be another unsupported accessory by the developers.

Exactly, whether Sony have Move or Kinect for PS4, or both, they better bundle it with the system, if they want developers to support the hardware. For example I think Move and Motion+ had so much potential, but we only seen a few interesting titles like Sports Champions and Red Steel 2.

[Yoona]

Time to get a gaming PC. Consoles are all becoming a joke :(

[Salvadora]

Calling it now, Wii U to be the only console with buttons next generation.

Can't wait to see the reactions if this happens, And if the WiiU is only marginally more powerful than this gen.

[AndyD]

Sounds like the next generation of PSEye to me. If you're going to make a camera for your next gen system, you'd be mad to not put some kind of Kinect-esque functionality in there.

This. Eye is good, but make it like Kinect and its that much better. And combine it with Move and the navigation controller and you can a much better system.

[Agent X]

..or Move gets a beefier camera and it'll be the best of both worlds?

Nah. Combine Move and Kinect and you have the best of both worlds.

Yes, exactly. I even remember reading interviews with the designers of Move who admitted that there were some good ideas behind Kinect, but that it was ultimately an "incomplete" solution for gaming, and that you still need to have a physical controller with buttons for certain functions.

It will never be just that. Kinect-like functionalities would actually enhance the Move possibilities as they provide extra information about player absolute position/distance/orientation so you don't have to guess that via Move tracking. ie Move alone can't tell the difference between moving to the side or just extending the arm to the side. Or between moving forward or extending your arm forward. I see this as an upgrade of the "PS Eye-side" of the whole Move set up.

That's a great way of describing the relationship between the camera and the motion controller.