[senador]

Eah are so slightly different, it just comes down to taste. Having players choose what to roll with is kind of awesome.

We don't know yet what the rate of fire, shots to kill, clip sizes, and range are like for each of these weapons yet though. I agree though, I'm glad for it even if its just preference. In Reach, I pick up the Needle Rifle anytime I can as I prefer it to the DMR even though its slower to kill.

[Hydranockz]

We don't know yet what the rate of fire, shots to kill, clip sizes, and range are like for each of these weapons yet though. I agree though, I'm glad for it even if its just preference. In Reach, I pick up the Needle Rifle anytime I can as I prefer it to the DMR even though its slower to kill.

Exactly, can't wait to see what 343 has planned.

[senador]

This will be my starting weapon after I pay 343 million Spartan Bazingas for it:

[Letters]

Exact same kill time and scope zoom (2X) for all precision rifles that you can spawn with, please.

[Tawpgun]

just want to say PAX was fun and all the halogaffers I met were all awesome people :D Also Trial Evolution is the shit

Never got Trials. Gonna get Evolution day 1. They had so many stations for trials whenever there was nothing else to do I would be on that.

[zap]

Its the 11 year old bk on dial up from New Zealand who has to quit because his mother wants to watch her stories.....

Hey man, us Kiwis gotta get games too :(

[ViewtifulJC]

In fact, change all the starting weapons to BR, just different shades of colors you can unlock with Marathon Monopoly Money

[kittens]

Exact same kill time and scope zoom (2X) for all precision rifles that you can spawn with, please.

I expect shots to kill will be the same, but some guns (DMR?) might shoot slower, making kill times slower. This is just speculation.

[FyreWulff]

Do we know they are going to be redundant? I don't think we do yet.

We've seen two of them, one in video, and the unseen one's usage is pretty well defined by it's appearance in two other games.

At this point, it seems more like they'll be player preference for starting choice than anything. They'll probably be able to have them available as choices across all of multiplayer, since cutting Elites from multiplayer would certainly buy you more RAM to play with. That DMR has a scope only a mother could love though.

[HiredN00bs]

Ugh, driving back home, still have 2 hours to go, it's midnight, I have a cold, tired as shit, drinking red bull and listening to the Glasslands audiobook.

I guess things could be worse...

[senador]

Ugh, driving back home, still have 2 hours to go, it's midnight, I have a cold, tired as shit, drinking red bull and listening to the Glasslands audiobook. I guess things could be worse...

You could be playing Halo 4. Amiright Over?

[Mister Negative]

Unfortunately playlists tend to become centric to one gun or the other, and the options fall away over the game's lifespan. They really should not bother with starting 4's BTB as AR start. They did that with 3 and Reach and eventually made them 100% BR each time. Just cut to the chase, damnit. Same with Team Objective. Nobody's going to be using the AR though when you've got the BR, DMR, and Carbine all in the same game. Don't even know why you'd choose any weapon that does midrange in a game with 3 role redundant rifles. Hopefully they aren't slathered all over campaign. It's gonna get boring if you're just cycling BR/DMR/Carbine throughout the entire story.

I think that's exactly my point, y'know? Why put the AR in a playlist that's just going to become more BR/DMR centric over time? Save the poor thing, put it in a playlist called "Team Autos" or something, no rifles on the map.

In fact, if the SMG is back in the game (which is doubtful) make a "Team Close Quarters" playlist. SMG/Pistol start, ARs and Shotguns on the map. Would be funtimes. Plus, it'd fit in with the whole "Training on the Infinity" thing. Close quarters training! Woo!

[FyreWulff]

I think that's exactly my point, y'know? Why put the AR in a playlist that's just going to become more BR/DMR centric over time? Save the poor thing, put it in a playlist called "Team Autos" or something, no rifles on the map. In fact, if the SMG is back in the game (which is doubtful) make a "Team Close Quarters" playlist. SMG/Pistol start, ARs and Shotguns on the map. Would be funtimes. Plus, it'd fit in with the whole "Training on the Infinity" thing. Close quarters training! Woo!

Eh, they probably should just demote it to a map pickup in multiplayer. Thing is already useless in TU Reach, along with all the other weapons they broke. It's only really good for tearing vehicles up.

I expect it to mostly feature in campaign.

[Mister Negative]

Eh, they probably should just demote it to a map pickup in multiplayer. Thing is already useless in TU Reach. It's only really good for tearing vehicles up. I expect it to mostly feature in campaign.

If you demote it to a map pick-up, it just won't get picked up. The thing is useless against anyone with a rifle, unless they're situationally unaware, in which case I could kill them with anything.

While it is useless, it's only useless because the things around it are better. While it would make sense in real life for an AR to exist for close quarters, that doesn't translate well to video games, especially Halo, where the BR is king at all ranges.

That's why I think it should have its own playlist. It promotes a different style of play, it's a little less serious, a little more hectic.

And again, as a disclaimer, I'm not one of those people that thinks the BR is the worst thing ever and should be nerfed, I just have a soft spot for the AR in my heart hardened by years of MLG gametypes.

We don't know yet what the rate of fire, shots to kill, clip sizes, and range are like for each of these weapons yet though. I agree though, I'm glad for it even if its just preference. In Reach, I pick up the Needle Rifle anytime I can as I prefer it to the DMR even though its slower to kill.

Part of me thinks BR spread will be returning, just to balance it against the DMR. DMR=slower to fire, pinpoint accurate, BR would be faster and a little less accurate.

[FyreWulff]

Part of me thinks BR spread will be returning, just to balance it against the DMR. DMR=slower to fire, pinpoint accurate, BR would be faster and a little less accurate.

BR is already confirmed to have no spread.

Well, there goes that theory. As others had mentioned, Gears 3 has a pretty cool system and I was hoping it'd be similar to that. EPIC did a great job balancing those starting weapons in my opinion, which is unfortunately shaped by fairly limited experience.

Then they went and added the Sawed Off to the game. Oh well, next time I guess

[Mister Negative]

BR is already confirmed to have no spread.

Well, there goes that theory. As others had mentioned, Gears 3 has a pretty cool system and I was hoping it'd be similar to that. EPIC did a great job balancing those starting weapons in my opinion, which is unfortunately shaped by fairly limited experience.

[Letters]

BR is already confirmed to have no spread.

Link/quote?

I only remember reading about no expanding reticule and hitscan.

[FyreWulff]

Link/quote? I only remember reading about no expanding reticule and hitscan.

Confirmed a while back in the thread, let me go find the post.. no spread or bloom, just recoil.

edit: I'm too lazy to go find it. It's back there somewhere.

[CyReN]

In fact, change all the starting weapons to BR, just different shades of colors you can unlock with Marathon Monopoly Money

We have Spartan Points.


(beta form)

[Havok]

Link/quote? I only remember reading about no expanding reticule and hitscan.

https://twitter.com/#!/DavidEllis/st...58058508537856

[Plywood]

We have Spartan Points. (beta form)

They should be called Frankelz.

[Letters]

https://twitter.com/#!/DavidEllis/st...58058508537856

Nice. Thanks.

With how big the reticule is, people will need to earn those long distance hits with really good aim, so it won't ruin big maps, I think.








v Audrey Hepburn

[Barrow Roll]

Link/quote? I only remember reading about no expanding reticule and hitscan.

Who's the girl in your avatar?

[CyReN]

Who's the girl in your avatar?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3592338/

[Hitmonchan107]

Go watch The Raid. Do it.

[ViewtifulJC]

Go watch The Raid. Do it.

If it came to a theater when 2 and half hours of my home, I would

[Plywood]

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3592338/

[Ramirez]

Competely random, is this you?

lol no

Exact same kill time and scope zoom (2X) for all precision rifles that you can spawn with, please.

You know this ain't happenin'. There will be at least some slight variation in them, otherwise, what's the point?

[Der Flatulator]

Forgot to post this yesterday:

[Thermite]

lol no

Looks like you're enjoying the event, brah.

[Ramirez]

Looks like you're enjoying the event, brah.

That guy isn't even Hispanic!

[kittens]

Forgot to post this yesterday:

Absolutely. I've really appreciated 343 folks jumping in and offering clarification. I've got my complaints and my reservations, but I'm feeling better about stuff.

[Demoncarnotaur]

I'm sure they've balanced them out and they have different strengths and weaknesses. Gears 3 allows you to choose between three rifles for start-up, and it works rather well, they're all perfectly viable and balanced against each other. The Assault Rifle...yeah, IDK. Maybe it's your secondary weapon or some shit.

I get the feeling that there will be numerous starting class weapons to choose from, probably something like this:

-Precision Class (DMR, BR, Carbine, etc)
or
-Assault Class (AR, Assualt Carbine, SMG(?), etc)
and
-Side arm (pistol variations, and maybe even something like the missile pistol from the trailer)

I would guess that a few weapons would play in between the two classes of primary, but with most secondaries having limited functionality, though they may see some unique diversity. Already, knowing the system plays out as a mix between Black Ops where you buy/unlock weapons and Gears 3 where you are limited to certain types of weapons tells me Halo 4 may see a larger count of weapons compared to past titles.

[Ramirez]

I've said it before, but they need to just go ahead and add camo skins/scopes for weapons into the game. Go crazy with them like Gears did, stuff like that is harmless to the overall game, and I actually enjoy unlocks like that. Just don't charge 100 dollars for all of them like Gears, make them free. :P

[Ryaaan14]

I get the feeling that there will be numerous starting class weapons to choose from, probably something like this: -Precision Class (DMR, BR, Carbine, etc) or -Assault Class (AR, Assualt Carbine, SMG(?), etc) and -Side arm (pistol variations, and maybe even something like the missile pistol from the trailer) I would guess that a few weapons would play in between the two classes of primary, but with most secondaries having limited functionality, though they may see some unique diversity. Already, knowing the system plays out as a mix between Black Ops where you buy/unlock weapons and Gears 3 where you are limited to certain types of weapons tells me Halo 4 may see a larger count of weapons compared to past titles.

I hope you meant to group those together to form loadouts, and not as your loadout options...

[Der Flatulator]

-Precision Class (DMR, BR, Carbine, etc) or -Assault Class (AR, Assualt Carbine, SMG(?), etc) and -Side arm (pistol variations, and maybe even something like the missile pistol from the trailer)

First Halo that allows you to carry more than two weapons (excluding turrets and duel wielding)?

[VivaciousJazzy]

They should be called Frankelz.

I wanna know why they didnt stick with credits. Sounds way better than spartan points.

[Steelyuhas]

I expect shots to kill will be the same, but some guns (DMR?) might shoot slower, making kill times slower. This is just speculation.

The DMR had 15 shots in the magazine clip in the screenshot from the GI mag, so it's probably 5sk. I assume that 5sk lines up to be able to the same kill time as the 4sk BR though, so your choice between those weapons is just if you want a burst or single fire weapon.

Haha I know you've been dying to use that.

[CyReN]

Absolutely. I've really appreciated 343 folks jumping in and offering clarification. I've got my complaints and my reservations, but I'm feeling better about stuff.

Agreed, some clarification was nice. Hope they get their podcast out soon to clear out some stuff, big sites (ie IGN) have already began publishing the new info and from the comments people aren't happy, but are they ever..

[Ramirez]

The DMR had 15 shots in the magazine clip in the screenshot from the GI mag, so it's probably 5sk. I assume that 5sk lines up to be able to the same kill time as the 4sk BR though, so your choice between those weapons is just if you want a burst or single fire weapon.

Or it's a slower kill time, but greater range?

[Der Flatulator]

Or it's a slower kill time, but greater range?

That would be perfect, it would fill a niche separate to the BR.

[Mister Negative]

I get the feeling that there will be numerous starting class weapons to choose from, probably something like this: -Precision Class (DMR, BR, Carbine, etc) or -Assault Class (AR, Assualt Carbine, SMG(?), etc) and -Side arm (pistol variations, and maybe even something like the missile pistol from the trailer) I would guess that a few weapons would play in between the two classes of primary, but with most secondaries having limited functionality, though they may see some unique diversity. Already, knowing the system plays out as a mix between Black Ops where you buy/unlock weapons and Gears 3 where you are limited to certain types of weapons tells me Halo 4 may see a larger count of weapons compared to past titles.

Oh god please give me that supposedly shorter, more close combat version of the AR that was talked about in the books.

[Kibbles]

Agreed, some clarification was nice. Hope they get their podcast out soon to clear out some stuff, big sites (ie IGN) have already began publishing the new info and from the comments people aren't happy, but are they ever..

Source: NeoGAF, lol

[Computron]

Aww, is HaloGAF Sad?!?!

Hmmmmmmm, let me think....








hmmm.....











OH!

I know what will cheer you guys up!





How about five, no... NINE HALO 4 BATTLE RIFLES:



From Computron;
To: HaloGAF


Yummy.

[ViewtifulJC]

brb, gonna attempt to fap to H4 BRs in Incognito Window

[Steelyuhas]

Or it's a slower kill time, but greater range?

Yes, possible, but my thinking is based off the idea that now that you can choose your starting weapon, they may be wanting to give users some different starting weapon based on simple preference than making sure these starting weapons are all different in the sandbox.

Source: NeoGAF, lol

I fell like that's on half of video game site articles I look at these days.

[xxjuicesxx]

BR is already confirmed to have no spread.

No spread on a 3 shot weapon? How does every bullet hit the same spot? Do you mean its confirmed to be a hitscan weapon?

[heckfu]

Yummy.

^ Random spawns my ass.

[Computron]

brb, gonna attempt to fap to H4 BRs in Incognito Window

Watch out, their pretty heavy.

[Computron]

^ Random spawns my ass.

Damn, that's not what I was aiming to remind you guys about.

HaloGAF, always finding the bad in awesome.