[Klocker]

Yes. Roger is also charming character, and charm (at least the charm of adults) can be deceiving, her disillusionment with Roger and her step grandmother ended her experience at the awards ceremony on a harsh note, and you can easily make this occurrence a sort of stand in for her current experience within the world of 'adulthood', which was made pretty obvious by her last line with Glen. A big theme this episode as far as Sally was concerned was her growing up (her trying the fish, Roger's jokes about her drinking, etc). She's at the point where she's looking into the world that these adults are living in, basically at the threshold herself... and then she sees how full of shit it all is. I don't think it's even about the blowjob, that's just a detail. It's about that moment of disillusionment (it wouldn't even be an exaggeration to say 'horror') when you realize that despite all charming and accomplished appearances, they're often concealing something almost sick or insane... that adulthood isn't 'better', it's really just more complex, both good and bad (and especially the bullshit). I think the 'horror' would come more from the cynicism of these people, and the startling lack of integrity, the sexual act is just incidental. I mean I know that was essentially my most 'traumatic' memory from growing up, it's still vivid enough that I had no difficulty relating to what I assume were her feelings, despite now being a bit cynical myself. For a previously naive person, sensitivity to that sort of thing is pretty acute... it's practically like the king of all disillusionment, or a blow that doesn't really heal.

great assessment and well said

[Steelyuhas]

Just got around to watching this week's episode. Good episode, Roger was perfect.

[Jonm1010]

I think it was indicating that she wasn't sure whether or not Peggy was being honest, turns out she was being honest.

After seeing the last scene of Meghan in the episode I took that scene to indicate that perhaps this jobs supposed "high points" arent nearly that satisfying to her as it seems to be to others and that the show is going to head into the direction of Meghan being conflicted with her dreams and her love for Don/comfortableness of the life she has at the cost of never being fully satisfied with her accomplishments.

[Net_Wrecker]

What a great episode. The shot of everyone coming back to the table from their separate experiences at the end was too good.

[Dmax3901]

Great stuff.

The Heinz dinner table pitch must have satisfied all those who were missing the old Don, surely?

[Trent Strong]

Go back to Russia!

[-Stranger-]

This latest episode was so good, i love Mad Men so much.
It's sad that season 5 is already halfway through, hopefully not as much of a gap between seasons this time.

[Burger]

All the French in this episode reminds me of when Roger 'hired' Don in the bar. He says something like "Garçon, je m'appelle Roger, je suis un taxi" which according to my bad French is "Boy, my name is Roger, I am a taxi" right? If so, hilarious.

[eravulgaris]

All the French in this episode reminds me of when Roger 'hired' Don in the bar. He says something like "Garçon, je m'appelle Roger, je suis un taxi" which according to my bad French is "Boy, my name is Roger, I am a taxi" right? If so, hilarious.

That's right.

Gotta love Roger. I really hope they keep him until the end.

[Koodo]

It's sad that season 5 is already halfway through, hopefully not as much of a gap between seasons this time.

I hadn't realized this.

Day ruined.

[legend166]

Great stuff. The Heinz dinner table pitch must have satisfied all those who were missing the old Don, surely?

I think the entire point of that was that it wasn't the old Don. That was all Megan. The pitch was her idea, and her idea to tell them over dinner. As Don said, he was just going to yell in their stupid faces.

[Burger]

I liked one thing pointed out in the A.V Club review, that Don got smacked down for not doing his job last episode, and this episode he did pretty much nothing but lie on his couch learning French.

[Dmax3901]

This latest episode was so good, i love Mad Men so much. It's sad that season 5 is already halfway through, hopefully not as much of a gap between seasons this time.

This is the last season though, isn't it?

[Salvor.Hardin]

I think the entire point of that was that it wasn't the old Don. That was all Megan. The pitch was her idea, and her idea to tell them over dinner. As Don said, he was just going to yell in their stupid faces.

I liked one thing pointed out in the A.V Club review, that Don got smacked down for not doing his job last episode, and this episode he did pretty much nothing but lie on his couch learning French.

Both very interesting points. Don's business skills this entire season have been terrible. The writers give the character the happiness he longs for, and then they spend the last 6 episodes castrating him in front of the viewer. He finally becomes likeable in the real world, but trades in the characteristics the audience tunes in to watch him for.

[Dmax3901]

I think the entire point of that was that it wasn't the old Don. That was all Megan. The pitch was her idea, and her idea to tell them over dinner. As Don said, he was just going to yell in their stupid faces.

I agree. The way she fed him the idea and then carefully prompting him at dinner, Don running with it without missing a beat. And then the lust in the cab after. Great scene.

[BertramCooper]

Don hasn't had a single "Don moment" with a client this entire season. Dude is getting soft and complacent.

Also, I loved that the one guy (can't remember which company he was with) pointed out that none of the people in that ballroom would ever give SCDP their business because of the Lucky Strike letter. I had been pondering the same point for months. How could anyone trust him?

I'm starting to think that the series might end with a dead agency.

[Solo]

This is the last season though, isn't it?

2 more after this

[Dmax3901]

2 more after this

Well holy shit, that changes things.

[rockman zx]

Is Betty gone from the show?, because I don't miss her at all, Megan is amazing.

[eravulgaris]

Is Betty gone from the show?, because I don't miss her at all, Megan is amazing.

I hope so. Megan is a much more interesting character. Betty was a child, Megan is an adult.

[sixteen-bit]

Is Betty gone from the show?, because I don't miss her at all, Megan is amazing.

Betty is definitely toned down this season due to her actress having a baby

[Solo]

I hope so. Megan is a much more interesting character. Betty was a child, Megan is an adult.

They are both children.

[Rez]

they're both completely human

[Foliorum Viridum]

The show is 200% better with the lack of Betty.

Don hasn't had a single "Don moment" with a client this entire season. Dude is getting soft and complacent.

He saved the Heinz account as a result. We've seen Don be Don for seasons, I like seeing the change, personally. It's more interesting.

[iNvid02]

yup im enjoying the show a lot more without betty, i hope they kill her off somehow, henry ends up leaving for his job, and the kids stay with don

[DoctorWho]

The thing with Glenn is they're going out of their way to make him creepy. Just standing in the hallway, talking on the phone in a coat and underwear. Dude just creeps me out.

[hamchan]

I think Don might start getting even more soft. Actually getting the Heinz account without getting angry at him (and that guy deserved to get shouted at). Then finding out The Letter might have screwed them out of future business. I foresee Old Don gone now :(.

[Foliorum Viridum]

I think old Don will make a comback if or when things go pear shape with Megan. He's too happy in his life at the moment to be that same guy at work.

[scosher]

eh, I'm not sure it's his happy marriage that's making Don soft or lose his edge. I think it has more to do with no longer having to hide his Dick Whitman identity. He has job security, a wife who knows his "secret" and doesn't give a shit, and an inflated ego that's pretty much squashed any fear he had of losing it all. I think that fear drove him in the past, but he's become complacent since.

[Ignatz Mouse]

eh, I'm not sure it's his happy marriage that's making Don soft or lose his edge. I think it has more to do with no longer having to hide his Dick Whitman identity. He has job security, a wife who knows his "secret" and doesn't give a shit, and an inflated ego that's pretty much squashed any fear he had of losing it all. I think that fear drove him in the past, but he's become complacent since.

Very good observation.

[Jarmel]

Hey, remember when she got pregnant and had a kid. That was weird huh?

I thought for sure that was going to get mentioned. They really just dropped that plot point as fast as they used it.

They are both children.

What makes you say that about Megan?

[sixteen-bit]

I thought for sure that was going to get mentioned. They really just dropped that plot point as fast as they used it.

I think it's going to come up eventually. I think they alluded to it this season when Pete saw Peggy holding Joan's baby.

[BertramCooper]

I was actually afraid that Peggy's mom might "accidentally" slip that detail to Abe to try to sabotage their relationship. But I'm starting to think that she's pretty much given up any hope of "saving" Peggy.

[Gooster]

EW wrote a piece on Roger Sterling that basically amounts to "Isn't Roger awesome this season?"

http://watching-tv.ew.com/2012/04/30...-julia-ormond/

[Solo]

Well, isn't he?

[Klocker]

The thing with Glenn is they're going out of their way to make him creepy. Just standing in the hallway, talking on the phone in a coat and underwear. Dude just creeps me out.

he has always been creepy... the whole hair thing with Betty and hitting on this older mom at what 12 yo? dude has a few issues. ;)

[Jarmel]

he has always been creepy... the whole hair thing with Betty and hitting on this older mom at what 12 yo? dude has a few issues. ;)

If he was hotter/not so creepy looking, he might have actually been able to talk his way into her pants.

[Salvor.Hardin]

The Glen hate is ridiculous. Kid is swiss cheese.

[Supermanisdead]

He was asleep then he threw on a jacket to pick up the phone. It's not like he's in public. It was a boys summer camp -__-

EDIT: He's still creepy, but it's not what he was wearing.

[Steelyuhas]

How old are Glenn and Sally at this point?

[BertramCooper]

How old are Glenn and Sally at this point?

I think Sally is probably about 10 or 11. Glen is probably 12 or 13.

[SalsaShark]

Favorite ep this season so far. Outstanding.

[Foliorum Viridum]

I like Glen but the character isn't really doing much at the moment. He's just there for Sally to talk to so her character can be fleshed out. He serves that purpose well, but it feels like a bit of a waste.

It's a credit to the show that I'm sad that I won't get to see Sally and Glen when they're older, though. Usually I wish death upon most child actors.

[-Pyromaniac-]

After seeing the last scene of Meghan in the episode I took that scene to indicate that perhaps this jobs supposed "high points" arent nearly that satisfying to her as it seems to be to others and that the show is going to head into the direction of Meghan being conflicted with her dreams and her love for Don/comfortableness of the life she has at the cost of never being fully satisfied with her accomplishments.

well yeah that too, she wasn't as happy as she clearly should have been. And like I said it marks the beginning of the end. She'll want to switch jobs, don will flip out, they'll break up, and such is life.

[sixteen-bit]

I think Sally is probably about 10 or 11. Glen is probably 12 or 13.

They mentioned that Sally is 12 this episode.

[Cipherr]

ha, yeah, great ending

Thisssssssss. I loved it.

It's not the literal exchange that seems odd. But the allegorical that seems a bit too on-the-nose and even pointless after we clearly see her unease during the course of the evening. We know what she already thought, but once again, this season insists on verbalizing it for us. Fucking fantastic episode though.

I dunno man, that last line was amazing to me. I didnt mind her verbalizing it, the character is still a child. It fit like a glove to me.

[Talon]

That last line was a perfect coda to the evening.

Also, if you're a writer, that's a scene you're pretty damn happy to write.

[BertramCooper]

They mentioned that Sally is 12 this episode.

Really? I always thought she was born in '55. Guess I was wrong.

Christ, child actors grow up fast.

[RatskyWatsky]

This latest episode was so good, i love Mad Men so much. It's sad that season 5 is already halfway through, hopefully not as much of a gap between seasons this time.

But when season 5 of MM ends, season 5 of Breaking Bad will be just around the corner! (And when BB ends, more Mad Men will be just around the corner, etc.)

;3

[sixteen-bit]

But when season 5 of MM ends, season 5 of Breaking Bad will be just around the corner! (And when BB ends, more Mad Men will be just around the corner, etc.) ;3

When they both end AMC is so fucked.

Well at least they'll have the TWD ratings beast.