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Shiggy
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(03-14-2012, 04:46 PM)
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Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath is questioning the Liberal government’s support for a St. Catharines video game development company that laid off 45 people last year.

But the government is saying little about the details of a multi-million dollar commitment to Silicon Knights.

“Exactly how much money has Silicon Knights received to date and have further installments since been made?” Horwath asked Premier Dalton McGuinty during Question Period in the Legislature on Tuesday.


According to Horwath, in February 2011 the government signed a $2.5-million contract with Silicon Knights, which said it would use the money to create 90 jobs and sustain another 100. Following news of the lay offs last November, the government told the Legislature one installment of provincial money had been paid out.

Horwath said the NDP requested further information on the government’s dealings with Silicon Knights using freedom of information legislation, but the requested information was “censored.”

“In fact, the copy of the Silicon Knights contract that we obtained contained one appendix, consisting of only 26 censored pages,” said Horwath. “Don’t the people of Ontario have a right to know how their money is being spent and whether companies that are getting public money are meeting their job creation targets?”

McGuinty did not answer Horwath’s questions, but instead referred them to Brad Duguid, minister of economic development and innovation for a response.

“As is becoming a pattern with NDP questions, they continue to ask questions about investments that have been made, expecting, Mr. Speaker, that perhaps we shouldn’t be working with businesses across this province, we shouldn’t be working to attract foreign direct investment, that we should be ignoring that responsibility to create jobs and promote economic growth,” Duguid said in response.

“Mr. Speaker, we’ve been working very closely with Silicon Knights. It actually is a very fascinating company, a company with great potential. We’ll continue to work very closely with them. They’re in a field, Mr. Speaker, that’s a challenging field, that does have ups and downs. We’re willing to continue to work with them.”

Horwath’s questioning comes just a week after Welland NDP MPP Cindy Forster questioned a $900,000 economic development grant awarded to New Food Classics. The St. Catharines food processor has gone into receivership after running into financial troubles.

http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/...ilicon-knights

Silicon Knights had some troubled years. After MGS: Twin Snakes for GCN, they reached an agreement with their major shareholder Nintendo as their creative visions were completely different (casual games vs cinematic big budgets titles). SK began to work on Too Human for Microsoft and made a Silent Hill pitch (The Box), which was signed by Sega, then renamed to The Ritualist and later sold to THQ. As THQ was in financial difficulties back then already, the game got canned and the team at SK helped out on Darksiders.

Since then SK worked on various prototypes and pitches. One was signed by Activision (X-Men Destiny) and was met with poor receptions. Another one, Siren in the Maelstrom or just Siren, was financed by a Canadian fund (Telefilm Canada) but wasn't signed by a publisher.

After the poor reviews of X-Men Destiny one publisher backed off from their title, which led to layoffs late last year. Due to a pending trial with Epic, long delays, and mediocre games, SK only has a limited choice of publishers willing to fund their titles right now.

So what's going to happen? With both the Ontario government and Nintendo as strong partners, they are now preparing for the new generation of consoles. Wii U support of their tools and technology was added during mid to fall 2011 already.

Their new title is supposed to be revealed later this year. Don't attempt to leak it, the ninja will kill you.
OnPoint
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(03-14-2012, 04:47 PM)
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Better step their game up or they might get their funding cut.

Eternal Darkness 2 plz. Wii U. Do it.
Shiggy
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(03-15-2012, 04:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by OnPoint

Better step their game up or they might get their funding cut.

Eternal Darkness 2 plz. Wii U. Do it.

Don't give up your hope.

When we questioned him specifically on whether "it's too much to ask" for a new Eternal Darkness, he responded, "I don't think it is too much to ask. Certainly we love Eternal Darkness. It's a project that's near and dear to our hearts."

When we pressed Dyack on whether a new Eternal Darkness could indeed be what the studio is developing for next-gen, he once again hinted that "anything's possible."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ernal-darkness
Tajin
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(03-15-2012, 04:24 PM)
Against.
Cosmonaut X
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(03-15-2012, 04:24 PM)
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When did we get confirmation of Wii U tech support? And what are you basing the "Nintendo are strong partners" bit on?

Not doubting you, BTW - you've been spot-on too many times! - but I'm interested in what's going on here...
Kade
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(03-15-2012, 04:24 PM)
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The Silicon Knights Cycle:

1. Promise jobs; Receive government funding
2. Hire people to work on projects they don't want to work on or will never be released
3. Layoff employees who worked on these projects
4. Repeat

I'm surprised they haven't been shut down yet.
Danielsan
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(03-15-2012, 04:25 PM)
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Pull the plug and start funding talented development companies instead.
OnPoint
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(03-15-2012, 04:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shiggy

Don't give up your hope.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ernal-darkness

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Put them back under Nintendo's supervision and make another great game.
sixteen-bit
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(03-15-2012, 04:28 PM)
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I guess he's "against"
Lime
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(03-15-2012, 04:29 PM)
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He probably played one of their games.
Criminal Upper
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(03-15-2012, 04:29 PM)
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Wow, his son must have shown him this:

EvilMario
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(03-15-2012, 04:31 PM)
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Just don't let this grow into pulling support for game developers overall. Ontario is far enough behind other Provinces as it is in this regard.
Father_Brain
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(03-15-2012, 04:34 PM)
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Eternal Darkness 3DS, maybe. But Wii U? Considering how the first one sold on GC, it'd make very little business sense. One can hope, though.
BrokenEchelon
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(03-15-2012, 04:36 PM)
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They don't deserve funding. Dyack doesn't deserve a job in this industry.

Also, can you believe this fucking gall?



One PORT != Series. You'd think they might want to put Blood Omen or Eternal Darkness there instead of trying to leech off of the brand recognition of MGS/Kojima like a parasite.
1-D_FTW
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(03-15-2012, 04:36 PM)
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Right now I'm picturing Dyack as a Scooby Doo villain and he's muttering, "I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids."
Hiltz
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(03-15-2012, 04:36 PM)
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Denis Dyack has always been open to making another Eternal Darkness. I'm just not sure if ED 2 would be a good idea given the seemingly poor current state of Silicon Knights.
Bento
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(03-15-2012, 04:38 PM)

In fact, the copy of the Silicon Knights contract that we obtained contained one appendix, consisting of only 26 censored pages,” said Horwath. “Don’t the people of Ontario have a right to know how their money is being spent and whether companies that are getting public money are meeting their job creation targets?

Lol? Is this common or is SK simply being assholes here? Would seem like transparency would be pretty damn key, this is tax money we're talking about after all.

Originally Posted by EvilMario

Just don't let this grow into pulling support for game developers overall. Ontario is far enough behind other Provinces as it is in this regard.

That should of course depend on the results of said support, supporting developers for no other reason than that other regions in Canada are doing it sounds like an open invitation for charlatans to take advantage of the situation.
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Hero of Legend
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(03-15-2012, 04:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by BrokenEchelon

They don't deserve funding. Dyack doesn't deserve a job in this industry.

Also, can you believe this fucking gall?



One PORT != Series. You'd think they might want to put Blood Omen or Eternal Darkness there instead of trying to leech off of the brand recognition of MGS/Kojima like a parasite.

WTF? O_o

BTW, does SK still have their key staff from the GC days? Dyack is all I ever really hear about the company.
GhostTrick
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(03-15-2012, 04:48 PM)
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Nintendo's curse.
When they leave, they're screwed. Think about Rare, Factor 5, or those guys who makes HD collection ports now.
Raide
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(03-15-2012, 04:55 PM)
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So, what are they working on currently?

As much as I want Too Human Too, I doubt they are working on it.
Neuromancer
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(03-15-2012, 04:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by BrokenEchelon

They don't deserve funding. Dyack doesn't deserve a job in this industry.

Also, can you believe this fucking gall?



One PORT != Series. You'd think they might want to put Blood Omen or Eternal Darkness there instead of trying to leech off of the brand recognition of MGS/Kojima like a parasite.

Haha wow
Shiggy
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(03-15-2012, 05:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cosmonaut X

When did we get confirmation of Wii U tech support? And what are you basing the "Nintendo are strong partners" bit on?

Not doubting you, BTW - you've been spot-on too many times! - but I'm interested in what's going on here...

The Wii U tech support was recently revealed by wsippel via someone's resume. For the Nintendo part you can actually take past Dyack comments as a reference, as well as Nintendo still backing them financially as a major investor.

With the help of the government they apparently also try to self-fund/self-publish titles.


Lol? Is this common or is SK simply being assholes here? Would seem like transparency would be pretty damn key, this is tax money we're talking about after all.

It includes confidential material, related to game projects and publishers. You should not make that public...


does SK still have their key staff from the GC days?

Yes, but quite many have left over the years as projects got canned, layoffs happened, and X-Men Destiny was done.


Factor 5

Factor 5 came back and still died.
Cosmonaut X
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(03-15-2012, 05:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shiggy

The Wii U tech support was recently revealed by wsippel via someone's resume. For the Nintendo part you can actually take past Dyack comments as a reference, as well as Nintendo still backing them financially as a major investor.

Cheers - I'd missed wsippel's find. How major a backer are Nintendo? I was aware they still had an interest in the company, but how significant is it?

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