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Guerrillas in the Mist
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(03-19-2012, 05:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by RiZ III

Could be, but Antisemitism has always been big in Europe.

It's not just a European thing. Jews got a really hard time in parts of the US during the Klu Klux Klan resurgence. Not to mention how the Jewish population of countries like Libya has more or less disappeared.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Originally Posted by Guerrillas in the Mist

It's not just a European thing. Jews got a really hard time in parts of the US during the Klu Klux Klan resurgence.

Not nearly as bad though, that's one of the main reasons for Jewish immigration to the US. I mean for my ancestors it sure as hell stuck being in Poland and the Baltic with a stick.
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Same weapon was used in the Montauban shootings.

My bet is on some far-right nut(s). Hope they catch the sob asap.
MasLegio
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(03-19-2012, 05:26 PM)
Iranian agents, similar events in Asia. Might be part in major strategy against Israel.

Mossad, have also done similar attacks in Iran and similar countries. To gain sympathy in ear against Iran.

With similar I mean the use of motor bikes for quick getaway.

Otherwise;
Nazi or Islamist terror cell
UnluckyKate
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Originally Posted by Jay-B

Same weapon was used in the Montauban shootings.

My bet is on some far-right nut(s). Hope they catch the sob asap.

I bet on a nazillon. Its a pun between small bird and nazi, used by military instructor to ditch neo nazi who gets into the military for the obvious wrong reason.
Mael
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(03-19-2012, 05:42 PM)

Originally Posted by MasLegio

Iranian agents, similar events in Asia. Might be part in major strategy against Israel.

Mossad, have also done similar attacks in Iran and similar countries. To gain sympathy in ear against Iran.

With similar I mean the use of motor bikes for quick getaway.

Otherwise;
Nazi or Islamist terror cell

Yeah not everything has got Iran involved here...

Originally Posted by UnluckyKate

I bet on a nazillon. Its a pun between small bird and nazi, used by military instructor to ditch neo nazi who gets into the military for the obvious wrong reason.

Most likely explanation.
minus_273
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(03-19-2012, 05:53 PM)
"Before opening fire on the three unarmed, uniformed servicemen, the gunman reportedly moved aside an elderly woman, who was apparently also standing in line at the cash machine.

The killer was described as a small man who acted calmly, stopping to change the magazine of his pistol.

Witnesses described how he had turned over one of the wounded men who was trying to crawl away, and fired three more shots into him.

One witness, who described the killer as "of average height and quite fat", told French broadcaster RTL his helmet visor had been raised and she had seen his eyes and a tattoo on his face. In the same account, there was no indication of the killer's race."

from the beeb
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Originally Posted by MasLegio

Iranian agents, similar events in Asia. Might be part in major strategy against Israel.

Mossad, have also done similar attacks in Iran and similar countries. To gain sympathy in ear against Iran.

With similar I mean the use of motor bikes for quick getaway.

Otherwise;
Nazi or Islamist terror cell

Uhm You either read too much Ludlum or Clancy, or both. :P


Seriously, now. You have to be really fucked up in your brain to kill children and get on with it. Nazillon, terrorist, whatever he may be, he's just insane. Come on, the guy even pursued them in the school to finish them off! I hope they catch the sucker and kill him while they are at it.
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Originally Posted by minus_273

"Before opening fire on the three unarmed, uniformed servicemen, the gunman reportedly moved aside an elderly woman, who was apparently also standing in line at the cash machine.

The killer was described as a small man who acted calmly, stopping to change the magazine of his pistol.

Witnesses described how he had turned over one of the wounded men who was trying to crawl away, and fired three more shots into him.

One witness, who described the killer as "of average height and quite fat", told French broadcaster RTL his helmet visor had been raised and she had seen his eyes and a tattoo on his face. In the same account, there was no indication of the killer's race."

from the beeb

Exactly the same description of the guy who killed the arab soldiers in Montauban.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Originally Posted by Jay-B

Exactly the same description of the guy who killed the arab soldiers in Montauban.

There is something really awful about being killed by someone who one could most likely have outrun.
Mekere
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Tattoo on the face? I give my vote to a nazillon too.
ComputerMKII
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Originally Posted by Jay-B

Same weapon was used in the Montauban shootings.

My bet is on some far-right nut(s). Hope they catch the sob asap.

It may also be a false-flag operation. It wouldn't be the first time for such a thing to happen to the French far-right.

Also, it was the video games:

Toulouse shooting: Swimmer Laure Manaudou closes her Twitter account after being criticized

Laure Manaudou her Twitter account this monday after being heavily criticized for her comments on the attack against a Jewish school in Toulouse.

After a first message where she said she had a thought for the children's parents, she posted two more messages that triggered many reactions.

"Get ride of those s..... video games, and it will get better already!", She first wrote, adding: "Not only are there crazy people but they also prey on Jews, it is shameful."
These two messages have triggered a chain reaction so violent, including references to pictures of her naked on the internet published in 2007.

"Video games are the only way to see you with a medal at the London Olympics" or "Shut up and swim," are among the kindest answers that have been made.

Laure Manaudou has decided to close her account on the social network by posting a final message: "Too much negativity here. Bye Twitter!!".

http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/art...-ete-critiquee
Kurtofan
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Originally Posted by Computer

It may also be a false-flag operation. It wouldn't be the first time for such a thing to happen to the French far-right.

Also, it was the video games:


http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/art...-ete-critiquee

Hahaha I hope she fails the Olympics, France be damned.

And a false flag operation?What you mean someone killed children and soldiers to make it look like a nazi crime?Please.


Originally Posted by Jay-B

Same weapon was used in the Montauban shootings.

My bet is on some far-right nut(s). Hope they catch the sob asap.

Apparently neonazi soldiers who got fired from the military in 2008 are suspected.One of them has tatoos.
Last edited by Kurtofan; 03-19-2012 at 07:13 PM.
FStop7
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Someone says something incredibly negative and then runs away crying "too much negativity!"

Stupid people are their own form of entertainment.
Kurtofan
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The Midi-Pyrenees region(and bordering departments) has been put under Scarlet level of Vigipirate, the highest level of terrorist threat(Scarlet level means risk of major attack).
Rocket Scientist
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So it's just one guy probably then?
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Originally Posted by Jason Raize '75 - '04

How do you go from targeting soldiers to targeting small children?

Can't be the same motive

Are you some sort of expert on the motives of mass murderers?
Kurtofan
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Originally Posted by Jason Raize '75 - '04

How do you go from targeting soldiers to targeting small children?

Can't be the same motive

Black and Arab soldiers then Jewish children=far right motive.
el retorno
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(03-19-2012, 08:56 PM)
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They have no leads on the guy? He didn't get caught by a camera anywhere near the crime?They don't know he race but they can say he had a tattoo?

Also on the whole Muslim vs. Neo Nazi.

The islamic extreamists are usually not so targeted. They just kill random people in big attacks, their targets are the institutions usually and not the people. Neo Nazis usually target the people they don't like or "sympathizers"(norway).

That being said its still way to early to say who it is. Either way.
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ComputerMKII
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Originally Posted by el retorno de los sapos

They have no leads on the guy? He didn't get caught by a camera anywhere near the crime?They don't know he race but they can say he had a tattoo?

The Interior Minister said he obviously wouldn't reveal information that would jeopardize the investigation.
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Originally Posted by el retorno de los sapos

They have no leads on the guy? He didn't get caught by a camera anywhere near the crime?They don't know he race but they can say he had a tattoo?

They've got the license plate of the motorbike. They know he's a rather small and fat guy wearing black. A woman saw he had a tattoo on his face when he opened the visor of his helmet.
Hari Seldon
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By scooter do they mean moped or are they talking like a skateboard with a handle type of thing?
el retorno
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Originally Posted by Hari Seldon

By scooter do they mean moped or are they talking like a skateboard with a handle type of thing?

I believe in Europe scooter = moped

Originally Posted by Computer

The Interior Minister said he obviously wouldn't reveal information that would jeopardize the investigation.

And telling people what to look for would jeopardize the investigation?
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Originally Posted by Hari Seldon

By scooter do they mean moped or are they talking like a skateboard with a handle type of thing?

Moped.
ComputerMKII
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Originally Posted by el retorno de los sapos

I believe in Europe scooter = moped


And telling people what to look for would jeopardize the investigation?

They already know to avoid tattooed dudes with scooters.
squidyj
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I mean it's possible, maybe even probable that the attack was antisemetic in nature but we don't even know that for certain. He hits soldiers then schoolkids, then maybe tomorrow he takes his show to a mall? There's not enough information to begin speculating about his motives.
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MasLegio
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Mike Tyson?
Bear
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Tattoos are strictly banned Islam, an Islamic extremist wouldn't be caught dead with one.

That in addition to the Arab soldiers and Jewish children being targeted suggests the shooter is some far-right Nazi lunatic.
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apana
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Anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe from what I've heard. I don't know if this was a far right neo nazi dude, but if it was I wouldn't be surprised. I think we are going to see more of these sorts of attacks in the future.
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Originally Posted by Bear

Tattoos are strictly banned Islam, an Islamic extremist wouldn't be caught dead with one.

So is (apparently) murdering thousands of innocent people ...


Besides even the quickest google search shows hundreds of Muslim terrorists tattoo the shit out of themselves.

Originally Posted by Bear

That in addition to the Arab soldiers and Jewish children being targeted suggests the shooter is some far-right Nazi lunatic.

Targeting Arab soldiers is exactly something a Muslim terrorist would do.

They think it's bad enough white Christian soldiers go to Muslim countries, but a Muslim soldiers going to Muslim countries? ...



Anyway, as per usual, until we have the actual facts we won't know, however all evidence can point to both Islamic or Right Wing (however Islamic terrorism is right wing terrorism ...).
apana
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Originally Posted by Casp0r

So is (apparently) murdering thousands of innocent people ...


Besides even the quickest google search shows hundreds of Muslim terrorists tattoo the shit out of themselves.



Targeting Arab soldiers is exactly something a Muslim terrorist would do.

They think it's bad enough white Christian soldiers go to Muslim countries, but a Muslim soldiers going to Muslim countries? ...


Has it happened before?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Originally Posted by apana

Has it happened before?

Sadat, granted that's not exactly a common example.
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People are waiting to hear the suspects race/religion so they know whether to class him a "terrorist" if he's Muslim or a "lone crazy nut" if he's not.
Casp0r
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Originally Posted by apana

Has it happened before?

Well considering the incredibly low number of Muslims entering our military anyway, I can't exactly find any details.

However it's no secret that Islamic terrorists would see Muslim soldiers in our army as the greatest betrayal.
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Originally Posted by apana

Has it happened before?

Islamic terrorism predominantly kills other muslims (many of which are Arabs).
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John Bombo
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Originally Posted by Casp0r

Well considering the incredibly low number of Muslims entering our military anyway, I can't exactly find any details.

However it's no secret that Islamic terrorists would see Muslim soldiers in our army as the greatest betrayal.

You can't find any details because French laws do not allow to make stats about religion.
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The following article is somewhat offensive but it's good to have a laugh in these troubled times:

Four Shot Dead @ Jewish School in France: Guess the Religion

By Debbie Schlussel

There is only one set of people who threaten the Jews–and everyone else–in modern day France (and the rest of the West, for that matter): Muslims. So, take a guess about who was behind the shooting murder of four Jews, including children, at a Jewish school in France today.

Was it a Catholic? Was it a Protestant? How about a Hindu? If you guess anything but Muslim, you haven’t been paying attention to what’s been going on in France. I have. In fact, long before all of the also-ran rip-off artists, I asked back in 2002, “Will America Become La Prochaine [The Next] France?“ With Muslims making up 25-33% of the current French population (know one knows for sure), it’s only a matter of time before it becomes a Muslim nation. If you think that can’t happen to America, your head is firmly planted in the sand. I think we all know who was on that motorcycle with the goal to murder Jews. It’s the same religion and heritage that targeted and murdered Ilan Halimi (Of Blessed Memory), torturing the young man with cigarette burns and amputations of his fingers. Arab Muslims. Yes, it’s a good bet that the murderer today was not Frere Jacques, but Frere Mohammed.

Don’t worry though–the French authorities are already blaming “a right-wing gunman,” though they have zero idea who it is. I wouldn’t bet on a “right-wing” anything in this. The track record in France is that Muslims do these things. Even if, this time, it’s not a Muslim, you can bet the Muslims are cheering that they’ve found someone else to do their dirty work. They aren’t sad in the least that four Jews were wiped out today. Larmes De La Crocodile [crocodile tears].

French police stepped up the search for a killer moped-rider with a tattooed face after four people were shot down and killed outside a Jewish school in Toulouse this morning.

A 30-year-old man and his two young sons, aged six and three, were among the dead along with the headteacher’s eight-year old daughter. . . .

Police fear the latest shooting, which took place outside the Ozar Hatorah school, shows that a far right wing gunman is on the loose with a grudge against ethnic minorities. . . .

This afternoon, the victims were named as Rabbi Yonatan Sandler, his two sons Aryeh and Gavriel, and eight-year-old Miriam Monsonego – daughter of the school’s headteacher, Yaacov Monsonego.

The city immediately went into lockdown as tactical armed police units searched for the murderer, who was believed to be driving a Yamaha T-Max.

Say a prayer for the victims who were murdered today on Toulouse and their grieving families.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/48190...-the-religion/
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Originally Posted by Computer

The following article is somewhat offensive but it's good to have a laugh in these troubled times:

"Even if, this time, it’s not a Muslim, you can bet the Muslims are cheering that they’ve found someone else to do their dirty work. "

So even if it isn't a Muslim, blame them anyways.
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Originally Posted by Computer

The following article is somewhat offensive but it's good to have a laugh in these troubled times:


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/48190...-the-religion/

Larmes De La Crocodile.
apana
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Toulouse shooting: a little girl cornered in her school and shot in the head.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-the-head.html

This is a link to the article. Warning there is a picture of a very cute young child.
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Originally Posted by apana

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-the-head.html

This is a link to the article. Warning there is a picture of a very cute young child.

:(
SoulPlaya
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Sick fucking world.
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Guys, for future reference, please remember that "nazi" is short for National-Socialist. I know that it is fairly confusing for Americans, maybe even a paradox to call a far right type a socialist. But keep in mind that nazism has always been a syncretic ideology, picking up bits and pieces of political standings from both sides of the political spectrum.

That is why many of these supremacist scumbags are politically incoherent.

I just wanted to make that clear. I apologize for the brief detour.
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There were reports in France that police were looking for three former soldiers of the logistics regiment sacked for "neo-Nazi" activities. The men were all ejected from the army in 2008 after a photograph emerged of them making Nazi salutes in front of a swastika. "Police are interested in locating those men to see if there may be some connection," said a source close to the investigation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...t-in-head.html
Stet
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Gosh, I guess all those hijabs weren't causing terrorism after all.
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Originally Posted by goomba

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...t-in-head.html

Three?!

Shiiiiit, let's hope they round 'em up swiftly.
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Originally Posted by el retorno de los sapos

And telling people what to look for would jeopardize the investigation?

Maybe they don't want to spook the guy and lose him by making him flee to a non-extradition country. What's shocking is that ballistics tests show that he was the same guy who shot those north African and carribean soldiers, so his attacks have just become more destructive. I hope he gets caught before there's another shooting.
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Originally Posted by Computer

The following article is somewhat offensive but it's good to have a laugh in these troubled times:


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/48190...-the-religion/

Oh debbie why you be racist? Your obsession with Muslims makes me wonder if you got dump by a Muslim.
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For some odd reason, I'm finding it difficult to comprehend how even a terrorist who would indiscriminately detonate a bomb in a crowded place would go into a school and begin shooting small children in the head. To not just target children but to then execute them is another category of person
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Originally Posted by Jason Raize '75 - '04

For some odd reason, I'm finding it difficult to comprehend how even a terrorist who would indiscriminately detonate a bomb in a crowded place would go into a school and begin shooting small children in the head. To not just target children but to then execute them is another category of person

I'm finding it difficult to comprehend your distinction. It would be exactly the same "category of person".

That being said, as of now we know nothing of the identity or motives (if any) of the shooter.

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