[Fallout-NL]

this is demonstrably false; copyright infringers spend more money on copyrighted works than non-infringers.

Bingo.

[ssolitare]

So if you are a streamer you are still screwed?

[Cmagus]

Well Canada is somewhat trying to do the same thing with Bill-C11. This bill is all over the place right now hopefully they don't get the right to stop peoples internet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03...n_1346132.html

"Steve Anderson, national co-ordinator of Openmedia.ca, a national campaign for open and low-cost internet, says the bill is a win for consumers over all, but the group is still concerned about how the legislation handles so-called digital locks on copyrighted content. C-11 makes no provisions to allow consumers to break digital locks on material they've bought.

Opposition MPs tried to exempt users who break locks for lawful reasons, to make a backup copy for example, but Conservative MPs wouldn't budge.

Anderson says there were groups lobbying for stricter provisions, like access to subscriber data from internet service providers or the ability to terminate internet service for first-time offenders who are convicted of violating the copyright law, and he's pleased those changes didn't make it into the bill."

[immy]

Hmm what do people use these days now that rapidshare sucks?

[onemic]

this might be the end of public torrents?

and the flourishing of private torrents

[Hari Seldon]

Our corporate overlords will not stop until the entire internet is mandated that you watch 3 minutes of commercials out of every 10 minutes of internet time.

[Lonestar]

Yep. Do your piracy on those and let them take the fall. Watch it happen. No, it's because the MPAA and the RIAA never have enough money.

HA HA It already does happen.

[PSGames]

this is demonstrably false; copyright infringers spend more money on copyrighted works than non-infringers.

Interesting. Do you have any links for this?

[params7]

Ok. I need a list of participating and non-participating ISP's. PRONTO

[Rebel Leader]

So if you are a streamer you are still screwed?

I think I'll be fine since all of the stuff I steam is foreign.

[Keru_Shiri]

this is demonstrably false; copyright infringers spend more money on copyrighted works than non-infringers.

Is there a source? Not trying to gainsay your statement, but I legitimately want to know where I can find that data.

[Sweeper17]

I think there will be a opening for going back to 56K to download small files and these could starting opening other private networks.

[Seraphinianus]

and the flourishing of private torrents

torrents from private sites aren't any less traceable. It's just the site itself that's password protected from the public.

[Reseil]

and the flourishing of private torrents

Newsgroups

[Hari Seldon]

torrents from private sites aren't any less traceable. It's just the site itself that's password protected from the public.

If the torrent transfer forces encrypted transfer then the ISP will have no clue wtf you are doing.

[pyros]

I wish consumers worldwide could join together to boycott mainstream media for just one week, that would scare the hell out of most corporations.


just a dream

[zoukka]

With SOPA and PIPA out of the way for now, American users of the Web must look ahead before declaring victory in a war against online censorship. Recently the US fought and won for the extradition of a 23-year-old UK man who operated a website that American authorities decided was in violation of US law. If they are willing to ship a college student abroad to bring him to trial for posting a few links, will they think twice before turning off your Internet for sharing your own copies of South Park? That’s an episode you’ll have to stay tuned for to find out.

lol what, just remove US internets from the rest of the world and be done with it.

Will miss GAF.

[Seanspeed]

Cox Cable has been doing this for a while already.

And I see nothing wrong with it.

[jorma]

Interesting. Do you have any links for this?

There is plenty of research and as far as i know all the independant research done came to the same conclusion. I know that both norwegian and swedish universities has done the research. Most of the stuff i've read on it is in Swedish though.

fake edit:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009...buy-more-music

I'll try to find better examples later but my ride home from work is waiting patiently for me to finish up here :P

[BruiserBear]

Scary shit.

It's not scary if you don't pirate.

[ClovingWestbrook]

It's not scary if you don't pirate.

Really? Come on man.

[zoukka]

It's not scary if you don't pirate.

You might want cameras in your bathroom because you don't masturbate and metal detectors in your doorsteps in case your neighbour comes in with a machete, but I don't.

[Talamius]

It's not scary if you don't pirate.

How secure is your wireless?

[Eschaton]

A milestone in the eventual internet history classes.

Still isnt stopping piracy though.

[BruiserBear]

You might want cameras in your bathroom because you don't masturbate and metal detectors in your doorsteps in case your neighbour comes in with a machete, but I don't.

Really? It's the same thing?

How secure is your wireless?

Secure enough. I also don't walk around scared every day that I could get arrested because someone who looks like me might commit a crime.

[abusori]

Ok. I need a list of participating and non-participating ISP's. PRONTO

Yeah, this would be helpful.

[darkwing]

this is demonstrably false; copyright infringers spend more money on copyrighted works than non-infringers.

probably not true in Asia, heck in our country, in every corner there are stalls selling pirated stuff, 'movies' cost like $2, so why would they buy original stuff lol

[SoulPlaya]

Does this apply to video game piracy? Shouldn't game companies be trying to get in on this?

[SpacLock]

I don't see Charter Communications mentioned anywhere in that article, so whatever. Charter skipped that whole bandwidth cap debacle, too.

[Tantalus]

This might cause trouble for some people who torrent large amounts, but for the "smart pirate" it probably isn't going to be an issue. With so many methods of encryption and ways to obscure network traffic, there is always going to be a way around these kind of things. The only difference is that now more and more people will start looking into ways to hide what they are doing, and then we're back to square one again.

[Eschaton]

Does this apply to video game piracy? Shouldn't game companies be trying to get in on this?

Maybe, but game publishers and developers dont present a united front on the issue is my guess. That's reflected in how PC games(probably the most pirated format of games) are handled by different companies. The video games industry is pretty good about trying to adapt their model to changing times to make money. At least in comparison to the oldies in the music and film industry that can't deal with the fact that they aren't making Michael Jackson money anymore.

[LordCanti]

If the torrent transfer forces encrypted transfer then the ISP will have no clue wtf you are doing.

That's not how this works though. The license holder jumps on a torrent (they know what it is) and finds your IP. They then send your ISP a notice, and the ISP sends it along to you (and then takes action if necessary).

It makes no difference if the torrent is forcing encryption or not. No one is accountable for actually proving that you've downloaded what the license holder says you have (which is the major problem I see with this).

[CornBurrito]

It's not scary if you don't pirate.

Question: Would watching a clip of an episode on youtube get me in trouble for piracy?

[jorma]

There is plenty of research and as far as i know all the independant research done came to the same conclusion. I know that both norwegian and swedish universities has done the research. Most of the stuff i've read on it is in Swedish though. fake edit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009...buy-more-music I'll try to find better examples later but my ride home from work is waiting patiently for me to finish up here :P

Adding a few interesting links on the matter:

http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Stu...n_file_sharing

http://torrentfreak.com/suppressed-r...sumers-110719/

[BruiserBear]

Question: Would watching a clip of an episode on youtube get me in trouble for piracy?

No, and I don't think there is even a tiny chance ISPs would suggest so. We all know who they're after here, and it's not YouTube users.

[DonasaurusRex]

well back when i was in HS my teacher predicted this....said over time governments and companies will get a stranglehold on the net...even though no one should be in charge of it.


next(now) will be metered internet so that logging onto a fucking gateway and using internet backbones that taxpayers paid for decades ago. We still dont have our fiber optic network that fully replaced copper ...wtf happened to that money.

[MMaRsu]

Fuck thank god I dont live in the US what the fuck

I thought USA stood for fucking freedom and shit

[Rebel Leader]

Fuck thank god I dont live in the US what the fuck I thought USA stood for fucking freedom and shit

It's freedom with restrictions.

[bangai-o]

do they see you everytime you login to your bank account?

[BruiserBear]

Fuck thank god I dont live in the US what the fuck I thought USA stood for fucking freedom and shit

Well, if it's true freedom we're after we should just have anarchy, right?

[Angry Fork]

Well, if it's true freedom we're after we should just have anarchy, right?

We should. Anarchy mixed with socialism. That's basically where things should go imo and what's best for humanity in terms of democracy, freedom etc.

But you're thinking of the chaos/dog gone wild/explosion kind of anarchy which is bullshit.

[pelicansurf]

Well, if it's true freedom we're after we should just have anarchy, right?

You need to stop, bro.

This is so silly, it's the best they can do after those bills crashed and burned.

[bengraven]

DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING YOU CAN QUICKLY.

You need to stop, bro. This is so silly, it's the best they can do after those bills crashed and burned.

There was no way they were going to simply stop SOPA. They are going to keep reforming it over and over again until it's a law. They will never give up on it. The bottom line is the "wild west" of the internet is going to be chained up and under control within 5 years. Maybe less.

[SoulPlaya]

Fuck thank god I dont live in the US what the fuck I thought USA stood for fucking freedom and shit

Here, "freedom" means Capitalism.

[nVidiot_Whore]

OMG.. I might not be able to blatantly break the law!

INTERNET DESTROYED!!

LULZ

Honestly people talking about freedom? GTFO of here with that crap.. seriously..gonna have to ignore all threads on this because it's going to be painful. You are not "free" to break well defined and purposeful laws.. this is the ALTERNATIVE to getting personally sued, which the RIAA backed off on.

Much better solution. Can we get back to normalcy some day? A planet where people don't think piracy is some "right"?

[bengraven]

Here, "freedom" means Capitalism.

Yes. They're the ones with the freedom.

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Fuck thank god I dont live in the US what the fuck I thought USA stood for fucking freedom and shit

Freedom to steal?

[nVidiot_Whore]

Average modern human: I DEMAND all companies make their products available to me digitally. If they don't, I'll find an alternative source for them.

*entire industry switches over to digital distribution*

Alright.. what I MEANT WAS... I demand to be allowed to download this digital content illegally for free, and any attempt to stop me I'll scream about "freedom" and "corporations" and "the government."

The new reality we live in. Honestly people, grow the fuck up.

[SoulPlaya]

Wait, hasn't Comcast already been doing this for a while with the RIAA and MPAA?

[ghostmind]

It's freedom with increasing restrictions.

More accurate, perhaps?