[Bay Maximus]

I've been lurking the site (neogaf) for the last few months. I decided to post in this thread because I've been trying to experiment with this 90 challenge but can't seem to get past day 3. I think I can do the challenge now. Now that I see it's wide spread and everyone on these boards seems to know about the plasticity of the human brain on how it changes and isn't directly hard wired. I found out by revisiting Gary Wilson personal website and Marnia Robinson personal website also (I am member on both sites). They have a lot of information in regards to what highly sexual stimuli like porn does to the human brain. It's not your penis that's the problem (erectile dysfunction). It's your brain that is being desensitized by the highly sexualized content that is available to us. I'm ready. Even though today I fap. I'm up and ready for tomorrow. Withdrawal is going to be b*tch once I get past day 3 or 4.

You'll be fine. Try to fill your usual fap time with another activity though. Games (preferably with friends so you just don't shut it off) or whatever you want. And the reason you can't get past three is that you've trained your brain that it will get porn on day 3 so that's when it really gonna push for it. Cravings of anything are predictable like that I think.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Is something wrong with me if I'm not feeling withdrawal? When I was on vacation a few months ago, I rarely got time alone and was antsy after two or three days. It's now been like... 5. Still feel nothing. Like, porn literally does nothing for me. My sergeant won't salute.

God I hope something didn't break.

Morning wood is still a-ok though.

I'm generally a high-strung individual, maybe I'm thinking on this too much.

[wondermega]

I'm ready. Even though today I fap. I'm up and ready for tomorrow. Withdrawal is going to be b*tch once I get past day 3 or 4.

I figured I would be climbing the walls after that much time, but I am closing in on a week and feeling surprisingly normal. It's... nice!

Just find other things to occupy your time, fortunately we live in an age where that's not tremendously difficult. The routine of it might be what's got you hung up, so perhaps you might introduce a little shakeup into your routine otherwise. Go for a daily walk, start a new book, get some exercise, something to fill that hole. If you adjust a little and don't really concentrate on what you are trying to avoid too much, the time will pass easier than you realize and you will be a lot more confident about it.

[CoffeeJanitor]

So this might sound like a dumb question, but if I had sex, would that fuck up the whole process?

[maxxpower]

So this might sound like a dumb question, but if I had sex, would that fuck up the whole process?

Consider yourself lucky and enjoy all the sex you can have.

[Suairyu]

So this might sound like a dumb question, but if I had sex, would that fuck up the whole process?

Fuck up? No. Delay? Probably.

But then, you'd be getting sex. So whatevs, right?

[CoffeeJanitor]

Consider yourself lucky and enjoy all the sex you can have.

Fuck up? No. Delay? Probably. But then, you'd be getting sex. So whatevs, right?

Hm. Good points.

[Suairyu]

If it helps:

First 90 day attempt I didn't have any sex.
Second time around I did but not often. The results were not as rapid, but I still got there.

So I dunno. What's your personal situation right now? You in a relationship?

[CoffeeJanitor]

If it helps: First 90 day attempt I didn't have any sex. Second time around I did but not often. The results were not as rapid, but I still got there. So I dunno. What's your personal situation right now? You in a relationship?

Nope. But I do know some girls who are interested.

[cdyhybrid]

Well, just kinda thinking out loud here. Porn causes problems because it isn't natural stimuli (or the frequency isn't). Having sex is a natural stimulus, one that we evolved around for thousands of years. So sex shouldn't really hurt you, I would presume, since we're trying to revert our bodies/brains to a point before they were influenced by porn. Unless you're having sex 2-3 times a day. But at that point who cares?

[Suairyu]

Nope. But I do know some girls who are interested.

Interested in hookups or interested in dating you?

[Cyan]

Well, just kinda thinking out loud here. Porn causes problems because it isn't natural stimuli (or the frequency isn't).

Or rather, it's a superstimulus. A la sugared drinks, candy, or salty junk food. It overwhelms our poor animal brain.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Well, just kinda thinking out loud here. Porn causes problems because it isn't natural stimuli (or the frequency isn't). Having sex is a natural stimulus, one that we evolved around for thousands of years. So sex shouldn't really hurt you, I would presume, since we're trying to revert our bodies/brains to a point before they were influenced by porn. Unless you're having sex 2-3 times a day. But at that point who cares?

This logic is logical.

[Suairyu]

I'm just saying, it has caused problems for some and it will make the process last longer. You don't want to be doing it every night and when you do, don't have sex, make love.

You dig?

[Sajjaja]

Interested in hookups or interested in dating you?

I think that's an important question. Dating/relationships can really help curb the urges/feelings of watching porn.

[cdyhybrid]

Or rather, it's a superstimulus. A la sugared drinks, candy, or salty junk food. It overwhelms our poor animal brain.

There's that Cal education at work. Well played.

[CoffeeJanitor]

Interested in hookups or interested in dating you?

I know two. One is one one is the other. Not sure how I feel

I just put the question out there as a hypothetical for whether or not I should pursue

I'm just saying, it has caused problems for some and it will make the process last longer. You don't want to be doing it every night and when you do, don't have sex, make love. You dig?

Yup, got it.

[Suairyu]

I think that's an important question. Dating/relationships can really help curb the urges/feelings of watching porn.

That and a partner will be much more understanding of you going "I really can't tonight, I have this thing where I need to not have a fuck-ton of fucking."

[ConradCervantes]

Ugh, I keep failing! I deleted all my porn, but all the tube sites that I frequent are still there! This is too ha--ahem, difficult.

[Suairyu]

Ugh, I keep failing! I deleted all my porn, but all the tube sites that I frequent are still there! This is too ha--ahem, difficult.

Get a hobby.

Also, if you feel horny, very actively do something to distract yourself. I find a walk helps.

Don't go to your porn sites!

[Jonm1010]

Alright Im gonna probably try this out.

but first how do I test myself out to find if I have a severe problem or not?

Either way the idea is cold turkey right - no masturbating, no porn, no nothing for 60-90 days?

[Plywood]

Is something wrong with me if I'm not feeling withdrawal? When I was on vacation a few months ago, I rarely got time alone and was antsy after two or three days. It's now been like... 5. Still feel nothing. Like, porn literally does nothing for me. My sergeant won't salute. God I hope something didn't break. Morning wood is still a-ok though. I'm generally a high-strung individual, maybe I'm thinking on this too much.

Well ya made me laugh.

I've been lurking the site (neogaf) for the last few months. I decided to post in this thread because I've been trying to experiment with this 90 challenge but can't seem to get past day 3. I think I can do the challenge now. Now that I see it's wide spread and everyone on these boards seems to know about the plasticity of the human brain on how it changes and isn't directly hard wired. I found out by revisiting Gary Wilson personal website and Marnia Robinson personal website also (I am member on both sites). They have a lot of information in regards to what highly sexual stimuli like porn does to the human brain. It's not your penis that's the problem (erectile dysfunction). It's your brain that is being desensitized by the highly sexualized content that is available to us. I'm ready. Even though today I fap. I'm up and ready for tomorrow. Withdrawal is going to be b*tch once I get past day 3 or 4.

Let us know if you break the 3 day barrier.

[Suairyu]

3 day barrier is easy. It's the "are you tall enough to get on this ride?" test. The two/three week barrier is the hard part. Then your dick goes dead.

Alright Im gonna probably try this out. but first how do I test myself out to find if I have a severe problem or not?

There is no test. Do you have some of the symptoms or not?

Symptoms include:
- Complete lack of morning wood (as in you haven't had any for as long as you can remember)
- Difficulty maintaining erection without constant stimulus
- Erections are not immediate when looking at porn, even if you're horny, requiring physical stimulus to get you going
- Difficulty maintaining erection during intercourse, even if you're hard as a rock during foreplay
- You find yourself needing nastier and nastier porn as time goes by to do it for you
- Lasting for an unreasonable length of time during intercourse; difficulty cumming from intercourse (even if a good blowjay or handjob can do it for you)
- You have the "chaser" effect of wanting to jack off again not long after you already jacked off
- You masturbate out of routine/boredom rather than any actual need ie. you think, "11pm? Guess I better go look at dirty porn, make myself horny, then jack off."

If you have any of those, you might have a problem.

[Jonm1010]

3 day barrier is easy. It's the "are you tall enough to get on this ride?" test. The two/three week barrier is the hard part. Then your dick goes dead. There is no test. Do you have some of the symptoms or not? Symptoms include: - Complete lack of morning wood (as in you haven't had any for as long as you can remember) - Difficulty maintaining erection without constant stimulus - Erections are not immediate when looking at porn, even if you're horny, requiring physical stimulus to get you going - Difficulty maintaining erection during intercourse, even if you're hard as a rock during foreplay - You find yourself needing nastier and nastier porn as time goes by to do it for you - For me pictures or softcore stuff would work now that wont do it. - Lasting for an unreasonable length of time during intercourse; difficulty cumming from intercourse (even if a good blowjay or handjob can do it for you) - You have the "chaser" effect of wanting to jack off again not long after you already jacked off - You masturbate out of routine/boredom rather than any actual need ie. you think, "11pm? Guess I better go look at dirty porn, make myself horny, then jack off." If you have any of those, you might have a problem.

I bolded the issues I have had regularly.

I guess than I should try this. I mean why not.

[ConradCervantes]

3 day barrier is easy. It's the "are you tall enough to get on this ride?" test. The two/three week barrier is the hard part. Then your dick goes dead. There is no test. Do you have some of the symptoms or not? Symptoms include: - Complete lack of morning wood (as in you haven't had any for as long as you can remember) - Difficulty maintaining erection without constant stimulus - Erections are not immediate when looking at porn, even if you're horny, requiring physical stimulus to get you going - Difficulty maintaining erection during intercourse, even if you're hard as a rock during foreplay - You find yourself needing nastier and nastier porn as time goes by to do it for you - Lasting for an unreasonable length of time during intercourse; difficulty cumming from intercourse (even if a good blowjay or handjob can do it for you) - You have the "chaser" effect of wanting to jack off again not long after you already jacked off - You masturbate out of routine/boredom rather than any actual need ie. you think, "11pm? Guess I better go look at dirty porn, make myself horny, then jack off." If you have any of those, you might have a problem.

Good lord, I do. Except the nastier porn part, I find myself favoring amateur stuff more than anything now. But yeah, I have most of those problems. I'd like for there to be a night where my girlfriend can blow me to get me off. It feels damn good when she does, but I don't feel at all near the point where I'm ready to climax.

Should definitely dive into some books or my game backlog. Haven't touched my Vita in some time. Deep breath, deep breath...

[BeesEight]

There is no test. Do you have some of the symptoms or not? Symptoms include: - Complete lack of morning wood (as in you haven't had any for as long as you can remember) - Difficulty maintaining erection without constant stimulus - Erections are not immediate when looking at porn, even if you're horny, requiring physical stimulus to get you going - Difficulty maintaining erection during intercourse, even if you're hard as a rock during foreplay - You find yourself needing nastier and nastier porn as time goes by to do it for you - Lasting for an unreasonable length of time during intercourse; difficulty cumming from intercourse (even if a good blowjay or handjob can do it for you) - You have the "chaser" effect of wanting to jack off again not long after you already jacked off - You masturbate out of routine/boredom rather than any actual need ie. you think, "11pm? Guess I better go look at dirty porn, make myself horny, then jack off." If you have any of those, you might have a problem.

Also, something to keep in mind is that people deal with... addictive like stimuli in different ways. I probably am guilty of two of those symptoms but generally when I get to the point where even porn isn't stimulating I stop looking at it.

Though it's been ages since I've had a wet dream. I suspect I'm probably only a week or two off those soon.

[Beer Monkey]

I have had multiple female friends in LTRs in the last few months tell me that their dudes can't really give it to them any more. And a couple in short-term relationships or casual dating that tell me that their dudes are not as horny as they should be. And pretty much all of these girls are very attractive.

I'm relatively convinced that this is a big factor. Of course, there's also the fact that libido suffers a general decline when you are with the same person for a very long time, but these girls are telling me tales of ED in guys who are WAY too young and healthy for it to be medical.

Seriously, I love this. The more dudes that are duds, the more women will be looking for satisfaction from the dwindling pool of virility. And that's in my favor.

[Douglas Quaid]

Avoid triggers.

Once you undertake this totally rad journey, you may begin to realize how many sexual triggers there are in everyday media. What's that mean? Turn off the TV. Stop watching corporate whores such as Nicki Minaj, Christina Aguilera, Ladyboy Gaga, and all the rest. The media wants you to constantly think of sex. Give it up dawgs!

Unplug (your Jizz)!

[Sajjaja]

Avoid triggers. Once you undertake this totally rad journey, you may begin to realize how many sexual triggers there are in everyday media. What's that mean? Turn off the TV. Stop watching corporate whores such as Nicki Minaj, Christina Aguilera, Ladyboy Gaga, and all the rest. The media wants you to constantly think of sex. Give it up dawgs! Unplug (your Jizz)!

lol, who the hell watches music television anymore? Unless it's some channel like AUX TV, I wouldn't give a chance.

What really annoys me is how music these days plays of the sex drive of people. They give it a decent beat/catchy jingle, but it's all about wanting to lay a girl down on a bed and fuck the shit of of her, or a chick wanting to get freaky on a dude. Like holy shit, how is this stuff allowed on the radio/tv. /rant

[Tesseract]

beating the meat: the great porn experiment

[Trip Warhawkins]

Re: suggestive media. That's true for me. I'm 11 days strong but last sunday I was browsing the webs and what started as harmless wtf suggestive funny pictures watch led me to touch myself and take a peek. I felt bad and weak, but I regained composure. I started a regime of regular sleep, diet, work. I wake up at 6, exercise for 15-20 mins, shower, light breakfast, then I go to work. I'm in bed by 10 and by 11 I'm asleep. If I let it idle, my brain will randomly crave lust, but I'm convinced of this change of lifestyle. My work has improved massively, I feel better all around, not because of cutting the pmo, but the whole integral process. I do find myself lusting after any girl, doesn't matter the age or weight, as soon as I see curves I get cray. Stay strong broheims.

[Sajjaja]

Re: suggestive media. That's true for me. I'm 11 days strong but last sunday I was browsing the webs and what started as harmless wtf suggestive funny pictures watch led me to touch myself and take a peek. I felt bad and weak, but I regained composure. I started a regime of regular sleep, diet, work. I wake up at 6, exercise for 15-20 mins, shower, light breakfast, then I go to work. I'm in bed by 10 and by 11 I'm asleep. If I let it idle, my brain will randomly crave lust, but I'm convinced of this change of lifestyle. My work has improved massively, I feel better all around, not because of cutting the pmo, but the whole integral process. I do find myself lusting after any girl, doesn't matter the age or weight, as soon as I see curves I get cray. Stay strong broheims.

lol, ya man, this is hard shit. On day 6 myself, and it sucks cause I'm up late at night studying for my exams so I find myself idle frequently. I've managed to abstain from everything for the most part but I often cut it close >_< Curves make me go cray cray too. Stay strong fellas!

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Avoid triggers. Once you undertake this totally rad journey, you may begin to realize how many sexual triggers there are in everyday media. What's that mean? Turn off the TV. Stop watching corporate whores such as Nicki Minaj, Christina Aguilera, Ladyboy Gaga, and all the rest. The media wants you to constantly think of sex. Give it up dawgs! Unplug (your Jizz)!

I'm strong enough to constantly think of sex and not get triggered.

Get more will power, bro. Plus, that seems like a bitch and a half to avoid every sexual trigger out there.

[Douglas Quaid]

I'm strong enough to constantly think of sex and not get triggered. Get more will power, bro. Plus, that seems like a bitch and a half to avoid every sexual trigger out there.

I have tons of will power, bro. I've looked at porn and suggestive stuff a few times and it was so overwhelming I almost had a dopamine-gasm in my brain. Still going strong.

It's a good idea to avoid sexual triggers when you're starting out (first couple weeks). After that the hyper-addictive phase will pass.

If you do end up looking at porn or any sexualized stuff, keep your hands off your dick! This has saved me in the deepest throes of lust.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I have tons of will power, bro. I've looked at porn and suggestive stuff a few times and it was so overwhelming I almost had a dopamine-gasm in my brain. Still going strong. It's a good idea to avoid sexual triggers when you're starting out (first couple weeks). After that the hyper-addictive phase will pass. If you do end up looking at porn or any sexualized stuff, keep your hands off your dick! This has saved me in the deepest throes of lust.

I looked at some two days ago and some photos of beautiful women yesterday and today in my travels across the net, and... I'm still cool. I didn't get an overwhelming urge.

But that's cause I'm like 98% sure something is broken now.

[Bay Maximus]

I have had multiple female friends in LTRs in the last few months tell me that their dudes can't really give it to them any more. And a couple in short-term relationships or casual dating that tell me that their dudes are not as horny as they should be. And pretty much all of these girls are very attractive. ... Seriously, I love this. The more dudes that are duds, the more women will be looking for satisfaction from the dwindling pool of virility. And that's in my favor.

Well that's certainly one way to stay motivated!

Should definitely dive into some books or my game backlog. Haven't touched my Vita in some time. Deep breath, deep breath...

None of us have man, none of us have.

[Spiffy_1st]

I have tons of will power, bro. I've looked at porn and suggestive stuff a few times and it was so overwhelming I almost had a dopamine-gasm in my brain. Still going strong. It's a good idea to avoid sexual triggers when you're starting out (first couple weeks). After that the hyper-addictive phase will pass. If you do end up looking at porn or any sexualized stuff, keep your hands off your dick! This has saved me in the deepest throes of lust.

Isn't that the opposite of what you're trying to do? You're trying to free yourself from having to look at porn, not trying to stop orgasms.

[Sajjaja]

Isn't that the opposite of what you're trying to do? You're trying to free yourself from having to look at porn, not trying to stop orgasms.

I think he's saying that if you get the temptation to gander, just don't do what you are trying to avoid. Jack off with the assistance of porn. Because then you've just reset everything back to 0 and have to start again.

[Douglas Quaid]

Isn't that the opposite of what you're trying to do? You're trying to free yourself from having to look at porn, not trying to stop orgasms.

The post wasn't about seeking out porn, it was about what to do once you find yourself looking at porn. It's quite hard to avoid sometimes, especially after the slippery slope of common sexualized entertainment.

Yes, you should try to abstain from looking at it.

I looked at some two days ago and some photos of beautiful women yesterday and today in my travels across the net, and... I'm still cool. I didn't get an overwhelming urge. But that's cause I'm like 98% sure something is broken now.

Congratulations, this is known as the flat-line phase. Don't worry, nothing is broken, its just taking a rest (part of the reset). You will get an upswing.

[Suairyu]

If you do end up looking at porn or any sexualized stuff, keep your hands off your dick! This has saved me in the deepest throes of lust.

Don't look at porn. Seriously. In terms of badness during this process:

Prime Evil - Porn and porn fantasy

Lesser Evil - Masturbation (without porn or porn fantasy)

Minor Evil - Orgasm

Stay the fuck away from porn and other sexual stimuluses. If you need to masturbate, do so slowly with a loose grip whilst thinking about nothing other than how good your dick feels. If needs must, get an understanding girlfriend and love her tenderly and infrequently.

[Grakl]

Stay the fuck away from porn and other sexual stimuluses. If you need to masturbate, do so slowly with a loose grip whilst thinking about nothing other than how good your dick feels. If needs must, get an understanding girlfriend and love her tenderly and infrequently.

Some of the things in this thread are so hilarious. A loose grip and thinking intimately about your own dick makes a difference, eh?

[Suairyu]

Some of the things in this thread are so hilarious. A loose grip and thinking intimately about your own dick makes a difference, eh?

The point is you're not to have porn fantasy. So you focus on the sensations of masturbation rather than whatever delicious imagery you can conjure up in your own head. And yes, a loose grip helps because then you're not gunning for the end goal.

[Grakl]

The point is you're not to have porn fantasy. So you focus on the sensations of masturbation rather than whatever delicious imagery you can conjure up in your own head. And yes, a loose grip helps because then you're not gunning for the end goal.

If the point is solely not having a porn fantasy, what's wrong with just masturbating?

[Suairyu]

If the point is solely not having a porn fantasy, what's wrong with just masturbating?

Because that (and orgasm) still stimulates the dopamine receptors in your brain. It's still scratching an itch. Have you just been ignoring the content in this thread?

[Grakl]

Because that (and orgasm) still stimulates the dopamine receptors in your brain. It's still scratching an itch. Have you just been ignoring the content in this thread?

Then how is a loose grip and focusing on just your dick any different? If the idea is not to stimulate the production of dopamine, then you'd just say to not masturbate at all. And then I'd like to get in to why masturbation is evil, and if it can be considered at all. I understand why porn sucks. Are you just advocating this for people who are 'addicted'?

And then

If needs must, get an understanding girlfriend and love her tenderly and infrequently.

Why is sex bad? Isn't it cultivating a relationship?

[Suairyu]

Then how is a loose grip and focusing on just your dick any different? If the idea is not to stimulate the production of dopamine, then you'd just say to not masturbate at all. And then I'd like to get in to why masturbation is evil, and if it can be considered at all. I understand why porn sucks. Are you just advocating this for people who are 'addicted'?

Read the thread. You're asserting things I never said and also asking questions that have answers.

[Grakl]

Read the thread. You're asserting things I never said and also asking questions that have answers.

What about what I said isn't what you said? Looking at

Don't look at porn. Seriously. In terms of badness during this process: Prime Evil - Porn and porn fantasy Lesser Evil - Masturbation (without porn or porn fantasy) Minor Evil - Orgasm Stay the fuck away from porn and other sexual stimuluses. If you need to masturbate, do so slowly with a loose grip whilst thinking about nothing other than how good your dick feels. If needs must, get an understanding girlfriend and love her tenderly and infrequently.

This is saying masturbation bad ("stay the fuck away"), don't get near sexual stimuli (e.g. a girlfriend? porn, yourself).

Obviously things have answers that are in this thread, but the specific question I asked you is if you advocate no masturbation whatsoever. I was judging from this post that that is what you advocate. You can probably answer that. And then you basically said sex is bad, without qualifying what is a lot, or what is addictive, etc.

If

Then how is a loose grip and focusing on just your dick any different?

Isn't answered, then I dunno why you say there's a difference, specifically if you're only focusing on dopamine production. It happens anyway, as well as stimulation.

[Suairyu]

No porn, no masturbation, no orgasm.

I ranked them in Diablo fashion of tiers of evil jokingly, but truly. Don't look at porn, period. Don't mastubate, but if you absolutely have to (I did so twice I think during my first 90 day run) do it without porn fantasy and do it slowly. Try to avoid orgasms all together, but if you have a steady partner or whatever, do love making rather than fucking.

Basically, make all this shit not about the end goal, but the journey. The problem in the brain is itch>(progressively more aggressive) scratch>(progressively worse) reward. You want that to be re-wired.

[FallingEdge]

Hmmm, it would be nice if we could update the OP on this new information. So am I cutting myself off from porn and nutting completely for 90 days?

edit:

and there we go. thx.

[Grakl]

No porn, no masturbation, no orgasm. I ranked them in Diablo fashion of tiers of evil jokingly, but truly. Don't look at porn, period. Don't mastubate, but if you absolutely have to do it without porn fantasy and do it slowly. Try to avoid orgasms all together, but if you have a steady partner or whatever, do love making rather than fucking. Basically, make all this shit not about the end goal, but the journey. The problem in the brain is itch>(progressively more aggressive) scratch>(progressively worse) reward. You want that to be re-wired.

Alright, then how is it rewired, and how do you not, well, enjoy yourself during 'the journey' without screwing up whatever it is you say need to be rewired?

Also, is fucking inherently different from love-making, in that it is more or less passionate? I assume you mean doing it for the sake of it, but once again, why isn't that just another way to cultivate a relationship with your partner?

Animals masturbate. Are we different?