[Kinitari]

See? This is the problem with these threads. The poster simply asked "where does this drug dealer stuff come from?" and I provided the answer - I posted a fact that has been verified and is not disputed by either side, and had no spin on it whatsoever. And then 5 posters jump down my fucking throat and put words in my mouth. I don't think that shit had anything to do what kind of person this kid was (HS kids smoke weed! SHOCKING FILM AT 11!) and here comes the attack squad trying to twist it around back on me. Whether you agree or not, the suspension is the reason people started with this "drug dealer" talk.

No one jumped down your throat that I can see, everyone scoffing at the notion of owning weed = you being a dealer I definitely see.

And how being a dealer had anything to do with the shooting

[soundahfekz]

I can't blame him for being upset really. It's how these kind of threads always go. Weather you meant it or not.

Please take a look at his posting history, though I understand why you'd arrive at that not knowing his previous contributions.

[Enron]

So what are your thoughts on this case?

I've given them many times over in the last thread (and even once in this thread).

When posters smell blood in the water, I guess they look for every opening.

If the evidence we've been shown thus far is really ALL of the evidence, then I think it's very weak and a lot of people are going to end up disappointed. I thought this guy was guilty of manslaughter when it happened, and I haven't seen anything to change that.

[Xenon]

It is worth noting though that even with a presumption of innocence prosecutors generally have a 90%+ conviction rate. That doesn't necessarily mean if he's charged he would be found guilty, just that prosecutors generally take cases to trial they believe they will win. Log4Girlz - Because legally a person is presumed innocent Neuromancer is right - most defendants don't testify at their own trial because the prosecutor has the burden to prove his side, the defense isn't required to do it unless they want to. I think in this case he WILL testify (assuming it goes to trial without a plea bargain) because I think he's going to try to make HIS state of mind and perception of events an issue but he might not. Either way I'd guess he'll be convicted though.

I have a feeling they would be taking this to trail no matter what they thought about their ability to win. Also, I can see them going for manslaughter to go for the easier conviction, or even a plea bargain. There would be too much fall out to take a chance on a possible acquittal.

Now all they have to do is find the man.

[Riggs]

Please take a look at his posting history, though I understand why you'd arrive at that not knowing his previous contributions.

Figured as much =/

[DY_nasty]

When is the Sanford PD getting charged?

[Rentahamster]

It'll be some form of manslaughter is my guess

Probably.

[Xcellere]

When is the Sanford PD getting charged?

[Enron]

Please take a look at his posting history, though I understand why you'd arrive at that not knowing his previous contributions.

If you look at my posting history, you will see someone who 1. Thought this guy was guilty of manslaughter and 2. Expressed doubt several times as to how strong GAF thought this evidence was. No one likes a Devil's Advocate, I guess.

You tried in the last thread to make me out to be some sort of George Zimmerman fanclub Stormfront Reading Racist, and you are still trying in this thread weeks later.

[Riggs]

lol nice

[The Super Bob]

Haven't really participated in this topic being in the UK. Feel that charges being brought is a good thing, might shed more light on the incident.

[soundahfekz]

When is the Sanford PD getting charged?

Police never see any meaningful punishment in these situations. Desk duty at most, with absolutely no discipline being the likely scenario.

[Devolution]

If you look at my posting history, you will see someone who 1. Thought this guy was guilty of manslaughter and 2. Expressed doubt several times as to how strong GAF thought this evidence was. No one likes a Devil's Advocate, I guess. You tried in the last thread to make me out to be some sort of George Zimmerman fanclub Stormfront Reading Racist, and you are still trying in this thread weeks later.

Most of the devil's advocates in the thread were of the most disingenuous variety that wanted to pretend like it was less likely Trayvon was racially profiled and more likely that aliens did it.

[Kinitari]

If you look at my posting history, you will see someone who 1. Thought this guy was guilty of manslaughter and 2. Expressed doubt several times as to how strong GAF thought this evidence was. No one likes a Devil's Advocate, I guess. You tried in the last thread to make me out to be some sort of George Zimmerman fanclub Stormfront Reading Racist, and you are still trying in this thread weeks later.

I'm still wondering who jumped down your throat in this thread. That last post paints the picture of a man with a persecution complex

[Hex]

As far as I'm aware, the police wanted to press charges, but the states attorney stepped in and stopped them. That guy is the real mystery in all this. I can't wait to see that get looked into deeper.

This is more of my interest in this whole thing, the rest of it has become so clouded with various agendas and clouded information.
This is something that is completely irrefutable.

[DY_nasty]

Police never see any meaningful punishment in these situations. Desk duty at most, with absolutely no discipline being the likely scenario.

I know.

Just throwing it out there lulz

[Enron]

This is more of my interest in this whole thing, the rest of it has become so clouded with various agendas and clouded information. This is something that is completely irrefutable.

The Feds down there now are almost certainly looking into that. Whoever that guy at the DA's office was, he'd better disappear as well.

[Riggs]

Bah I think everyone is on the same page here let's not let sensitivites get anyone pissed. The racist people are who deserve the shitstorms I love seeing the ban hammer on them.

[Devolution]

I know. Just throwing it out there lulz

Thank god for a persistent family and social media though or else this would be just another case of black person killed, justice system doesn't give a shit, dude released. And they even gave him his gun back.

[soundahfekz]

Bah I think everyone is on the same page here let's not let sensitivites get anyone pissed. The racist people are who deserve the shitstorms I love seeing the ban hammer on them.

Agreed.

[See You Next Wednesday]

His parents didn't want to drop it. It was pretty much a done deal. That's what's really so horrifying to me. They really need to investigate the Chief and the DA.

That was the biggest crime in all this. A person got murdered in a scuffle, but the DA did not consider it a a punishable offense.

[Xenon]

That was the biggest crime in all this. A person got murdered in a scuffle, but the DA did not consider it a a punishable offense.

It is possible that the police did not give them all the information. I have a feeling this case will need to be examined from the 911 call all the way to this point.

[Riggs]

I realllly got this feeling that zimmerman is going to kill himself before he ever is shown into a court room though. I know this has been shared before , but anyone else feel this coming?

[ClovingWestbrook]

When is the Sanford PD getting charged?

Exactly. Again, this is the bigger problem.

[soundscream]

Thank god for a persistent family and social media though or else this would be just another case of black person killed, justice system doesn't give a shit, dude released. And they even gave him his gun back.

You forget his SQUEAKY CLEAN RECORD

Minus the 2 resisting arrest charges, and domestic violence charge

[Norml]

I doubt he gets charged with murder just because of that law.

[demigod]

As far as I'm aware, the police wanted to press charges, but the states attorney stepped in and stopped them. That guy is the real mystery in all this. I can't wait to see that get looked into deeper.

Wrong, ONE investigator wanted to charge him, the SPD and DA didn't.

I realllly got this feeling that zimmerman is going to kill himself before he ever is shown into a court room though. I know this has been shared before , but anyone else feel this coming?

Nope, he is too much of a coward to kill himself. FFS he tried to say it was him that was screaming and he had the NERVE to put up a donation website for himself.

[MightyHealthy]

So where does the drug dealer thing come from? Just because he is black? No drugs were found on his body, only skittles and iced tea, he was drug tested and came back clean.

There was a facebook post from one of his friends that wanted to discuss "business" and talked about how he needed a "plant," which means that Trayvon was "surely" a drug dealer...

Nevermind the likeliness that his friend was an idiot who was desperate enough to ask people for weed over facebook...and it was on Trayvon's birthday, no less.

He was also caught with a baggie with marijuana residue (and some reports say a pipe, as well)

None of this proves he dealt drugs, or proves anything more than the possibility that he smoked a few times.

If I had to assume, his school issues just show a kid who was acting out to try to fit in, which is no different than a fair share of folks that grew up in high school. Lots of folks have had good upbringings, but still did "bad" things to be considered "cool."

Most importantly to me, there was no predisposition towards violence, and calling Trayvon Martin a drug dealer was a pisspoor attempt at insinuating that he had one.

Also, if there was anything substantial to the "swinging on a bus driver" tweet, it would have been detailed by a journalist by now, instead of being the documented school rumor that it was.

[Riggs]

Wrong, ONE investigator wanted to charge him, the SPD and DA didn't. Nope, he is too much of a coward to kill himself. FFS he tried to say it was him that was screaming and he had the NERVE to put up a donation website for himself.

Ya true but you never know in the end I guess. God even I could tell first listen it was a teen screaming.

[echoshifting]

I realllly got this feeling that zimmerman is going to kill himself before he ever is shown into a court room though. I know this has been shared before , but anyone else feel this coming?

I think it's quite possible he will attempt suicide, but I doubt it will be a serious attempt, unless he doesn't plan on allowing himself to be brought in at all.

[DarkKyo]

When is the Sanford PD getting charged?

Lol police feel the repercussions of their horrible actions and practices? Are you kidding me? This is America!

[JumpingTheGun]

Being a white liberal living in America's dick (Fl), I find this to be stellar fucking news. Cheers.

[Htown]

Listen. I have an idea.

We get some money together, as a forum, buy some plane tickets, and rent some Greek cops to come arrest the Sanford guys.

[themadcowtipper]

I'm sure there will be many dissappointed that he will only be charged with manslaughter,which seems obvious since will not be a grand jury. I also have a feeling he made adeal, since it is rumored Zimmerman has been in contacted with the prosecutor.

[Korey]

So the news conference is in 45 minutes I guess (6pm ET)

[Riggs]

I think it's quite possible he will attempt suicide, but I doubt it will be a serious attempt, unless he doesn't plan on allowing himself to be brought in at all.

This case just gets stranger and stranger. Suicide/Attempt would be next logical progression it seems.

[Suikoguy]

You can charge him on multiple counts.

Yeah, the jury could decide between Manslaughter and 2nd Degree Murder.
It's clear it's at least Manslaughter based on what has been uncovered by the news... However there may be other evidence.

The problem with giving the jury a choice is they may just go with the lesser charge out of sympathy. On the other hand, if given no choice then they may just acquit.

A quick google search brings up a Criminal Attorney website saying:

Murder with a Depraved Mind Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life. The primary distinction between Premeditated First Degree Murder and Second Degree Murder with a Depraved Mind is that First Degree Murder requires a specific and premeditated intent to kill.

Given the evidence thus far, 1st degree is not an option.
Between 2nd and Manslaughter looks iffy; I'm nowhere near informed/educated enough in law to make that call or suggestion.

[demigod]

I'm sure there will be many dissappointed that he will only be charged with manslaughter,which seems obvious since will not be a grand jury. I also have a feeling he made adeal, since it is rumored Zimmerman has been in contacted with the prosecutor.

30 years, i'm ok with this. And nope, the prosecutor refused to speak to him without his lawyers.

[JCreasy]

I'm sure there will be many dissappointed that he will only be charged with manslaughter,which seems obvious since will not be a grand jury. I also have a feeling he made adeal, since it is rumored Zimmerman has been in contacted with the prosecutor.

contact she ethically denied him because at the time she assumed he had legal representation and did not want to talk to him without representation present

it really sounded like he was going off the rails . . .

30 years, i'm ok with this. And nope, the prosecutor refused to speak to him without his lawyers.

yup

[soundahfekz]

30 years, i'm ok with this. And nope, the prosecutor refused to speak to him without his lawyers.

Pure speculation here, but I wonder If it's possible his father being versed in law advised him to attempt to speak with her?

Anything they could've discussed had she engaged would essentially be Inadmissible. It isn't an entire stretch he could've known this before making the call.

[Shouta]

I'm still wondering who jumped down your throat in this thread. That last post paints the picture of a man with a persecution complex

Uh, most people that responded to him? He's stating something that occurred, not his opinion, and then he's met with sarcastic comments. If you want to question the argument then carefully word what you write because if you don't, you're directing it at the person. That shit happens far too often and I don't think very many people realize it.

[themadcowtipper]

Seems like he needs to turn himself in asap, for his own safety, if the death threat CNN are talking about are true.

[echoshifting]

Pure speculation here, but I wonder If it's possible his father being versed in law advised him to attempt to speak with her?

If his father is versed in law, I can't imagine he would advise Zimmerman to contact the prosecutor until he has obtained new representation...but the timing around all of these new rumors is hard to track.

[KHarvey16]

Seems like he needs to turn himself in asap, for his own safety, if the death threat CNN are talking about are true.

The source being quoted said police know where he is. Assuming charges are being filed I imagine they'll go to him and make the arrest.

[lawblob]

Any cable news live feeds of this?

[demigod]

Pure speculation here, but I wonder If it's possible his father being versed in law advised him to attempt to speak with her? Anything they could've discussed had she engaged would essentially be Inadmissible. It isn't an entire stretch he could've known this before making the call.

That sounds plausible after they found out that the case won't be handed to the Grand Jury.

[DJ88]

Finally. This guy is so screwed, figuratively and literally, when he gets to prison.

[entrement]

People are outraged that he got charged? Wow.

[MightyHealthy]

Any cable news live feeds of this?

CNN has already posted on Twitter that they will be covering the conference at 6PM here:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1

[equap]

Any cable news live feeds of this?

check cnn.