[DrWong]

So if 32x > 64x = Wii 64?

[BD1]

No. License fees. MULTI is $5000 per seat. IBM XL is $2000, GCC, pcc and clang/ LLVM are free.

Who is typically responsible for paying the licensing fees? Publisher? Developer? Platform holder? Combination of the three?

Is this something Nintendo would provide to developers, like the middleware they've licensed?

[BurntPork]

what is going on in this thread? speak english please :|

Basically, Nintendo changed the way that the CPU reads code, which might mean a different CPU than before.

This gives me hope for a quad core.

[DaSorcerer7]

Basically, Nintendo changed the way that the CPU reads binary, which might mean a different CPU than before. This gives me hope for a quad core.

lol, funny how you shot this down earlier.

[Smiles and Cries]

I wonder how Nintendo is going to handle the, uhh.., gradient differential vis-a-vis the splorgendorfer chip. Eh? eh? :)

you been hanging at the holodeck too long my friend smh

[HylianTom]

you been hanging at the holodeck too long my friend smh

Indeed!
(still not sure about all of this "beaming" stuff..)

[Smiles and Cries]

Basically, Nintendo changed the way that the CPU reads code, which might mean a different CPU than before. This gives me hope for a quad core.

uh burnt pork posts are like anihawk posts to me never sure when they are serious...

anyway Tri-Core 4-EVA

[BurntPork]

lol, funny how you shot this down earlier.

I didn't shoot it down; I just noted that it didn't necessarily mean a new CPU. It was also before those fees were brought up.

[BurntPork]

uh burnt pork posts are like anihawk posts to me never sure when they are serious... anyway Tri-Core 4-EVA

I'm serious. A compiler changes code into binary so the CPU can read it, basically.

Shit, my bad about the double post.

[Smiles and Cries]

is it Friday yet?

I want some news...

so the new 4core CPU is the secret?

I'm serious. A compiler changes code into binary so the CPU can read it, basically. Shit, my bad about the double post.

oooh okay don't mind updated CPU

[JosephManderley]

Nintendo should announce Gamecube titles will be available on the VC for the Wii U at launch, priced at $12-$15.

The games should be playable on the pad.

A voucher code for 1 free title packed-in. 5-6 titles available at launch including 1 "big title" like Windwaker or Mario Sunshine.

That would be a real winner I think?

[axisofweevils]

Nintendo should announce Gamecube titles will be available on the VC for the Wii U at launch, priced at $12-$15. The games should be playable on the pad. A voucher code for 1 free title packed-in. 5-6 titles available at launch including 1 "big title" like Windwaker or Mario Sunshine. That would be a real winner I think?

I agree. I've always thought they should do a limited Launch offer like this, in order to offset the "Waiting for a price-drop" people.
Perhaps, they should make the GC games only available for early adopters like the GBA games for 3DS ambassadors.

[Smiles and Cries]

I saw my 3DS has some strange sports report thingy for MLB

I wonder how many new deals like this the uPad will allow

I don't care about baseball but if they had all sports it would be cool

[HylianTom]

Nintendo should announce Gamecube titles will be available on the VC for the Wii U at launch, priced at $12-$15. The games should be playable on the pad. A voucher code for 1 free title packed-in. 5-6 titles available at launch including 1 "big title" like Windwaker or Mario Sunshine. That would be a real winner I think?

If they're playable on the Pad and if the Pad has enough range to where one can wander around the house with their Pad, I'm going to be positively giddy. Euphoric. Happy. I'm huge on playing from the archives, so this would essentially guarantee that I'm going to love this generation. :)

[Vagabundo]

Four Core?? I thought it was tri. Emm that would be a megaton.

[Smiles and Cries]

so bgassassin's news is the extra added core and 2GB?

[Vagabundo]

so bgassassin's news is the extra added core and 2GB?

2GB nice. I'd better submit this to Kotaku ;p

[wsippel]

Quite possible/probabl. I men it want long ago they announced MULTI right? Also, maybe they are using Green Hills RTOS' now and those might have some sort of requirement.

Switching to a different IDE and toolchain that late in the game would certainly cause quite a few headaches. Well, at least MULTI supports Visual Studio integration... ;)

And I agree that Nintendos choice seems to hint at a velOSity based operating system, maybe even Integrity, as MULTI is obviously designed and optimized for those. Some of the more advanced debugging, profiling and auto-optimization features are only available on GHS' RTOS as far as I understand.

Who is typically responsible for paying the licensing fees? Publisher? Developer? Platform holder? Combination of the three? Is this something Nintendo would provide to developers, like the middleware they've licensed?

From the press release, it seems Nintendo pays the license fees in this case. They probably got quite a deal from GHS, but I'm almost certain IBM XL, which is what Microsoft and Sony use as far as I know, would have been cheaper still.

[HylianTom]

2GB nice. I'd better submit this to Kotaku ;p

I do remember IdeaMan stating that he was surprised by the amount of RAM.. so I keep going back-and-forth between 1.5 and 2.0GB. But given Mark Rein's water-meet-fish praise, Nintendo's claims that they've taken input from third parties on the hardware, and Nintendo's stated goal of pursuing the core, 2GB would not be the least bit shocking to me.

It all points in that direction, the more I think about it.

[AceBandage]

Which means Nintendo saw some added benifit for using it that didn't just deal with price. Ease of use maybe?

[DaSorcerer7]

I do remember IdeaMan stating that he was surprised by the amount of RAM.. so I keep going back-and-forth between 1.5 and 2.0GB. But given Mark Rein's water-meet-fish praise, Nintendo's claims that they've taken input from third parties on the hardware, and Nintendo's stated goal of pursuing the core, 2GB would not be the least bit shocking to me. It all points in that direction, the more I think about it.

I'm beginning to think we'e in the region between 2 and 3 GB now.

[PhoReal]

Damn you guys. Getting me all excited with this increased RAM talk.

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm beginning to think we'e in the region between 2 and 3 GB now.

I love 2.5 myself :3

[AceBandage]

I'm beginning to think we'e in the region between 2 and 3 GB now.

2GB is the absoltue maximum anyone should expect.
And even then, we could see a fourth of that reserved for other functions.

[Smiles and Cries]

2GB is the absoltue maximum anyone should expect. And even then, we could see a fourth of that reserved for other functions.

thats why it will be 2.5... it will be a shock to most, but still behind the next gen twins

[Maxrunner]

so bgassassin's news is the extra added core and 2GB?

where did he stated this???this thread flies literally....

[GhostTrick]

People expecting more than 2GB will be disappointed :p

[Smiles and Cries]

where did he stated this???this thread flies literally....

bg never says he hints

[DaSorcerer7]

thats why it will be 2.5... it will be a shock to most, but still behind the next gen twins

wii u and ps4 might be the twins this time : P

[HylianTom]

wii u and ps4 might be the twins this time : P

That would be hysterical for more than one reason. Man, oh man, the day that's revealed.. hehe..

[Smiles and Cries]

wii u and ps4 might be the twins this time : P

wonder twin powers activate!

would seriously be the best move for a troubled Sony they would share all the ports with WiiU without taking the huge losses trying to twin with MS

[BurntPork]

Guys, calm down. Bg didn't say anything definitive, and there are other possible reasons for changing the compiler.

[lednerg]

My compiler usage is limited to building Linux executable files, so I won't pretend to know a whole lot about the subject. But the more I read about GHS, the better it gets. Including it in the SDK seems like a worthwhile investment, a surefire way to help get 3rd parties' code running well across the board. Good stuff.

[AceBandage]

Guys, calm down. Bg didn't say anything definitive, and there are other possible reasons for changing the compiler.

They just liked the name better.

[DaSorcerer7]

Guys, calm down. Bg didn't say anything definitive, and there are other possible reasons for changing the compiler.

da HYPE train is pulling in man....all aboard!!

[joshwaan]

2GB and 4 Core CPU OMG FULLY SIC MATE !! :p

But I think this sums it up for me

[Smiles and Cries]

give me Friday ha hah

[wsippel]

Which means Nintendo saw some added benifit for using it that didn't just deal with price. Ease of use maybe?

Green Hills is all about the highest possible reliability and security in safety critical applications (eg aerospace, defense, medical, carrier grade networking). As far as I'm aware, they provide the only EAL6+ certified operating system available today, which makes it the most secure certified OS currently on the market (Windows and Linux are EAL4/ EAL4+, IBM System z is EAL5). That in itself is certainly something Nintendo would consider beneficial.

[Twenty7KVN]

That would be hysterical for more than one reason. Man, oh man, the day that's revealed.. hehe..

The fanboy meltdown would be epic.I don't think any website will survive.

[BurntPork]

My compiler usage is limited to building Linux executable files, so I won't pretend to know a whole lot about the subject. But the more I read about GHS, the better it gets. Including it in the SDK seems like a worthwhile investment, a surefire way to help get 3rd parties' code running well across the board. Good stuff.

My compiler knowledge is limited to being told what it is. :p

[HylianTom]

I won't get crazy/overhyped because of hardware.

Now, if I see certain games announced, you guys might have to peel me off of the ceiling. That I can get hyper-hyped for!

[AceBandage]

Green Hills is all about the highest possible reliability and security in safety critical applications (eg aerospace, defense, medical, carrier grade networking). As far as I'm aware, they provide the only EAL6+ certified operating system available today, which makes it the most secure certified OS currently on the market (Windows and Linux are EAL4/ EAL4+, IBM System z is EAL5). That in itself is certainly something Nintendo would consider beneficial.

Yup and there you go. Nintendo may be cheap on some things, but they will go all out on what they think is important.

[Red Arremer]

The fanboy meltdown would be epic.I don't think any website will survive.

Now, if I see certain games announced, you guys might have to peel me off of the ceiling. That I can get hyper-hyped for!

[AzaK]

Guys, calm down. Bg didn't say anything definitive, and there are other possible reasons for changing the compiler.

bg never says much definitive and never really tells us he's hinting either. As I have said before this means we have free reign to extrapolate beyond the realms of sanity. i.e. 6 Core, 4 GB confirmed!

Yup and there you go. Nintendo may be cheap on some things, but they will go all out on what they think is important.

Agreed, and stability and security are things they would find super important. And so would I :)

[DaSorcerer7]

After E3 has come and gone, what will replace these series of threads?, we need to continue this community :P

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

This still a speculation thread right?

[AceBandage]

After E3 has come and gone, what will replace these series of threads?, we need to continue this community :P

More speculation threads. We won't learn everything.

[AzaK]

After E3 has come and gone, what will replace these series of threads?, we need continue this community :P

Nothing will change. We'll speculate on what games will be coming and what features will be there at launch :)

Nothing can stop the madness!

[HylianTom]

The fanboy meltdown would be epic.I don't think any website will survive.

{to be read in a New England blueblood accent}
"You mean.. the hardware is in the same neighborhood as Nintendo's? Eww. Looks like we'll be living in the console gaming ghetto for the next few years, Diddums. I'll call and increase our insurance in the morning. Oh dear.."

[axisofweevils]

After E3 has come and gone, what will replace these series of threads?, we need to continue this community :P

The Wii U launch anticipation thread (It's unlikely it will be launched immediately after E3.)

Followed by

The Wii U discussion thread....