[Gui_PT]

For Reach, I really liked this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CJlhWVJ2Eo. At least, the part from the package.

There's things I really dislike about that cutscene

Carter: I understand

Do you? Because I know more about what's supposed to be going on than you and I don't understand

And why does Emile's ass have so much grip? WHY? You should've slipped off your butt!!!

Edit: Still remember when I, Dani, Bagel and someone else wasted one hour doing the ghost run at the end of Halo 3. Good times

[ViewtifulJC]

Me too. We should get a party of 4 and run through it. Heroic? Legendary?

On Co-Op, Legendary or bust

And I'm down for this whenever, even if that means playing through Cortana.

[TheOddOne]

Joking or serious?

Serious!

[Dax01]

Halo 3 co-op? Count me i--

Dammit. I left my copy at home.

[ElzarTheBam]

And why does Emile's ass have so much grip? WHY? You should've slipped off your butt!!!

I agree with this, dumbass emile sitting there like a turtle.

[JonCha]

What's this Home Run time? I intend to beat it.

[Tha Robbertster]

As soon as I saw Cortana immersion was shattered for me because of the canon issues.

I wasn't sure whether it was Cortana or not. I noticed that the AI was Cortana when I heard I had to bring it to the Pillar of Autumn.

[GhaleonEB]

There's things I really dislike about that cutscene Carter: I understand Do you? Because I know more about what's supposed to be going on than you and I don't understand

First time I saw this cinematic, I literally yelled at the TV when Carter said that.

In particular after Halsey threw the "are you a Spartan or a puppet?" line at Carter earlier in the game, that was a perfect opportunity for him to push back and demand details, for his team's benefit and ours. I'm still grouchy at how the critical details that drive the ending are entirely left out.

[Dax01]

Reach was the easiest story to tell. All they had to do was follow the novel. :(

[Gazzawa]

First time I saw this cinematic, I literally yelled at the TV when Carter said that. In particular after Halsey threw the "are you a Spartan or a puppet?" line at Carter earlier in the game, that was a perfect opportunity for him to push back and demand details, for his team's benefit and ours. I'm still grouchy at how the critical details that drive the ending are entirely left out.

Carter needs to learn from this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzBnFutegJE

[Gui_PT]

First time I saw this cinematic, I literally yelled at the TV when Carter said that. In particular after Halsey threw the "are you a Spartan or a puppet?" line at Carter earlier in the game, that was a perfect opportunity for him to push back and demand details, for his team's benefit and ours. I'm still grouchy at how the critical details that drive the ending are entirely left out.

That's one thing that bothers me in Halo games. The worlds/stories/characters in them are great but always poorly written and explored

[FyreWulff]

Reach was the easiest story to tell. All they had to do was follow the novel. :(

I'm glad they didn't. It would have been pretty boring to just play The Book: The Game. And I'd rather a game not be beholden to fiction written and released before the first game in the series came out.

It's not like they can't go back and do it still, anyway, but I prefer game developers do missions they've always wanted to do instead of being held back by a book's narrative.

I gotta wonder what was the decision to do away with this Truth. His dialog and his delivery has so much more nuance. Did they just need more eeeeeevil badguy to counterbalance Gravemind's philosophical rants?

IIRC Staten and/or Jones thought Halo 2 Truth was too obviously a bad guy, they wanted someone who sounded like they were old and wise and wouldn't stab you in the back. Or something like that. Truth's voice to me is still H2 Truth.

[Demoncarnotaur]

Among the collectors of us, it was already known for a year. But I do think the most forgot the announcement. ThreeA is doing Halo figures. Who is ThreeA? ThreeA is a company which does high quality status. One of the founder is Ashley Wood, the guy who did MGS Portable Ops cutscenes, the cover of the Art Of Building Worlds limited edition book. Now kotaku showed the first pic of a Halo Figure. It's Carter. But it is the best looking Carter until yet. Give me the Anniversary and Halo 4 Chief please!

Omg. Dead sexy. I wonder if they will be producing the Halo 4 equivalent of the Weta Halo 3 statues. I would kill for some nice Halo 4 diorama collectors pieces.

Halo 2: Whisper in the Storm opening cinematic (aka, the creation of the Arbiter). Bungie's dialogue and character development was so, so good in Halo 2, helped by superb actors and delivery. "...But ultimately the terms of your execution are up to me."

That entire scene is amazing, both in its presentation and content. The story for Halo 2 had an amazing feel, with well executed cutscenes that really set the feel for a sci-fi space epic.. Going from amazing scenes like this to Halo 3 was an incredible let down, it really deflated me that Halo 3's story was so...simple. And not even executed in a cohesive manner.

I really hope 343 takes inspiration from the story telling mechanics and scale of Halo 2.

[Deadly Cyclone]

I do hope Halsey is back in 4, I liked her portrayal in Reach. I want more sections with her like the books have. Reading Onyx now and she has some pretty good parts.

[kylej]

A "Carter" action figure? Who the hell is Carter? Where's my H4-edition Cortana 1/4th scale figurine.

[ElzarTheBam]

Carter needs to learn from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzBnFutegJE

Holy shit, man sometimes I miss gems like this because I don't watch any tv.

That's one thing that bothers me in Halo games. The worlds/stories/characters in them are great but always poorly written and explored

Hopefully, that particular tradition will come to an end in Halo 4.

[TheOddOne]

Two favorite Halo cut scenes: the intro to The Ark on Halo 3. The way the drop ships ahead fall one by one...then ours just drops my stomach every time. And dat music. Halo 2: Whisper in the Storm opening cinematic (aka, the creation of the Arbiter). Bungie's dialogue and character development was so, so good in Halo 2, helped by superb actors and delivery. "...But ultimately the terms of your execution are up to me."

Such a fantastic scene, I hope 343 looked at Halo 2 for cinematics.

[Deadly Cyclone]

Oh, that figurine is awesome. FYI Ashley Wood did most of the Metal Gear art, some awesome stuff. Find the MGS Omnibus comic, goes through the first 2 games with all of his art I believe.

Hope that company does a Chief figure.

[Dax01]

I'm glad they didn't. It would have been pretty boring to just play The Book: The Game. And I'd rather a game not be beholden to fiction written and released before the first game in the series came out. It's not like they can't go back and do it still, anyway, but I prefer game developers do missions they've always wanted to do instead of being held back by a book's narrative.

But it's not like Bungie could not have done any of the missions they released in the game because of the franchise's fiction. All they had to do was move the dates around and some of the levels. Bam. The fiction wasn't constraining.

[Overdoziz]

Holy shit, man sometimes I miss gems like this because I don't watch any tv.

It's fake anyway.
/realist

[GhaleonEB]

I'm glad they didn't. It would have been pretty boring to just play The Book: The Game. And I'd rather a game not be beholden to fiction written and released before the first game in the series came out. It's not like they can't go back and do it still, anyway, but I prefer game developers do missions they've always wanted to do instead of being held back by a book's narrative.

My hope was that Reach (the game) was going to tell the story of Noble Team within the framework of the events described in the book. The missions and story would be their own, showing how their role fit into the overall battle for Reach. With the narrative focused on their story, within the larger context of the battle for the planet, it could have been hugely compelling.

As it was, Bungie didn't do that, and the story they told wasn't anywhere near as interesting; either Noble Team's or Reach's fall. So we got a story that conflicted with established canon, and wasn't as good, either. Worst of both worlds.

[Hypertrooper]

A "Carter" action figure? Who the hell is Carter? Where's my H4-edition Cortana 1/4th scale figurine.

Right now, I do not know any deals with/between 343i and famous sex doll producers.

[FyreWulff]

But it's not like Bungie could not have done any of the missions they released in the game because of the franchise's fiction. All they had to do was move the dates around and some of the levels. Bam. The fiction wasn't constraining.

And then people would have bitched that dates and locations were changed. There's not a winning situation here for them in some people's eyes. But then again, The Fall of Reach was a pretty meh book for me.

Nowadays I just have my Halo lore-geek friend tell me the best parts of each book that come out.

[Shadders]

Oh, that figurine is awesome. FYI Ashley Wood did most of the Metal Gear art, some awesome stuff. Find the MGS Omnibus comic, goes through the first 2 games with all of his art I believe. Hope that company does a Chief figure.

I bet they could do a fantastic Arbiter too.

Actually, why the hell did they make Carter? :\

[kylej]

Right now, I do not know any deals with 343i and famous sex doll producers.

The day I can bang a robot is the day I stop working and going to the gym and just devote my time to going pro.

[Dax01]

And then people would have bitched that dates and locations were changed. There's not a winning situation here for them in some people's eyes.

Huh? Not the dates of the events from the book, but Bungie did not have to start out the game on July 24th, 2552. It could have started on August 30th, 2552, and gone from there. No, it wasn't fiction restraints, but Bungie just wanted to do their own thing...which I can respect and would've been fine with if the final product was better than what we got in the novel, but it wasn't, so the blame is on them for mucking with the fiction.

[FyreWulff]

Huh? Not the dates of the events from the book, but Bungie did not have to start out the game on July 24th, 2552. It could have started on August 30th, 2552, and gone from there. No, it wasn't fiction restraints, but Bungie just wanted to do their own thing...

But that's why I like Bungie. They do their own thing.

which I can respect and would've been fine with if the final product was better than what we got in the novel, but it wasn't, so the blame is on them for mucking with the fiction.

That sure is an opinion, so I can already see we're at an impasse here.

If there's a losing situation, it's 1) changing the story 2) for the worse and 3) not providing a good story for Noble Team that justifies it. The story within a story framework didn't have to be a losing proposition. It could have been wonderful. Heck, they basically did that with ODST, though the narrative eye was off Earth for much of the story. Look at how that game took key events in the Halo 2 story and folded in the ODST's tale around it: the slip space event over New Mombasa, the collapse of the space elevator. It enriched the canon while telling a compelling narrative all its own - without contradicting what came before.

I see Fall of Reach as bonus content. Other people put it on a high pedestal. Even then, Reach still fits with Fall of Reach. But then again, we're in a universe where a Spartan was explained as being able to fight time travelling ninjas by telling people to "Shut your face".

[GhaleonEB]

And then people would have bitched that dates and locations were changed. There's not a winning situation here for them in some people's eyes. But then again, The Fall of Reach was a pretty meh book for me.

If there's a losing situation, it's 1) changing the story 2) for the worse and 3) not providing a good story for Noble Team that justifies it. The story within a story framework didn't have to be a losing proposition. It could have been wonderful. Heck, they basically did that with ODST, though the narrative eye was off Earth for much of the story. Look at how that game took key events in the Halo 2 story and folded in the ODST's tale around it: the slip space event over New Mombasa, the collapse of the space elevator. It enriched the canon while telling a compelling narrative all its own - without contradicting what came before.

Reach did none of those things.

But that's why I like Bungie. They do their own thing.

And with Reach, they did it very badly (from a story angle).

[Gazzawa]

It's fake anyway. /realist

there goes my whole summer :(

[Blueblur1]

I totally agree with Ghal and others. Because of the cinematics and overall plot, Halo 2's campaign is my favorite of the series. If 343i even attempt to match Halo 2's cinematics it will already be better than Reach. I'm hoping for the best.

[StalkerUKCG]

Among the collectors of us, it was already known for a year. But I do think the most forgot the announcement. ThreeA is doing Halo figures. Who is ThreeA? ThreeA is a company which does high quality status. One of the founder is Ashley Wood, the guy who did MGS Portable Ops cutscenes, the cover of the Art Of Building Worlds limited edition book. Now kotaku showed the first pic of a Halo Figure. It's Carter. But it is the best looking Carter until yet. Give me the Anniversary and Halo 4 Chief please! Edit.: Btw ThreeA is producing the badass Metal Gear: REX.

Id kill for the entire set of noble team and Chief. The quality is fantastic but im expecting a pretty high price tag. Now im working hopefully i can grab it but it will be a shame if they only do carter.

Also

default noble 6 is best 6
Im ordering dominos :)

[CyReN]

343i community playdate thursday.

[Hypertrooper]

Halo 4 must be the Halo 2 of this generation.

[StalkerUKCG]

Halo 4 must be the Halo 2 of this generation.

If it is, am die

[Rickenslacker]

Halo 4 must be the Halo 2 of this generation.

The timing seems right. Does that mean it'll play really badly out of the gate?

[CyReN]

Halo 4 must be the Halo 2 of this generation.

I think that was already Halo 3. If this was the time for Halo to "comeback", this is it though.

[Booshka]

Halo 4 will be Call of Duty 4: Space Warfare.

[Ramirez]

Halo 4 must be the Halo 2 of this generation.

Some of you are just setting yourselves up to fall so hard...

[Hydranockz]

Some of you are just setting yourselves up to fall so hard...

By setting ourselves up for a bug ridden online multiplayer? That sounds like low expectations to me.

[Hypertrooper]

I think that was already Halo 3. If this was the time for Halo to "comeback", this is it though.

Halo 3 would not be the same without the stuff Halo 2 did. Halo 2 set up the universe of Halo 3. It set up the whole universe. Without Halo 2's ending, we would not have seen the Halo 3 hype. I think the combination of Chief's famous line at the end, the (shitty) cliff-hangar and the ending of the trilogy were the basic condition for the hype. Of course Microsoft's marketing campaign did a lot but I think it would not have been the same.

Some of you are just setting yourselves up to fall so hard...

Of course. But after Reach, I can survive everything. Or I hope.

[ViewtifulJC]

What about the rumors that BO2 is a Future Warfare game? Two sci-fi CODs in one year? One month? Maybe the same day!?

Back to the cutscenes, I do like Uncomfortable Silence. There's a lot of tension between the various Covenant races right now, and I like how Truth tries to downplay it to the Arbiter. "Do you know, Arbiter, the Elites have threaten to resign?...Because of this...exchange of hats?"

[StalkerUKCG]

Anyone got a 48 hour XBL code for me?

PM kthnxbai

[Dax01]

Halo 4 must be all the Halos of all time.

[Zeouterlimits]

Some of you are just setting yourselves up to fall so hard...

Happens every time. Partially blame the marketing.

Halo 4 will be Call of Duty 4: Space Warfare.

Master Chief is... Shampoo MacTavish who's going to "make shit get real" with Starship Captain Price.

343i community playdate thursday.

343I with no love for Europeans =P

[kylej]

Halo 4 will be Call of Duty 4: Space Warfare.

pretty much

[Gazzawa]

By setting ourselves up for a bug ridden online multiplayer? That sounds like low expectations to me.

there will be plenty of time for discussion during black screen.

[WJD]

Spire is absolutely diabolical. How in the world is it still in rotation and more importantly, how the hell does it always seem to get majority vote? What do these kids see in it that I don't?

[FyreWulff]

Halo 3 would not be the same without the stuff Halo 2 did. Halo 2 set up the universe of Halo 3. It set up the whole universe. Without Halo 2's ending, we would not have seen the Halo 3 hype. I think the combination of Chief's famous line at the end, the (shitty) cliff-hangar and the ending of the trilogy were the basic condition for the hype. Of course Microsoft's marketing campaign did a lot but I think it would not have been the same.

Being able to go to the store and buy Halo 3 Game Fuel (tm) and then go to Burger King to eat a dinner with my Halo 3 Master Chief cup(tm)(r) was pretty surreal.

[Hydranockz]

there will be plenty of time for discussion during black screen.

Capcom don't have patents for "Games during Host Migration". 343 has a chance to shine here.

[Ramirez]

By setting ourselves up for a bug ridden online multiplayer? That sounds like low expectations to me.

You forget, they're looking through Striker's eyes.