[op_ivy]

5-shot BR.

based on the fact that weapon tuning is a work in progress (confirmed) and that this is based on a very limited time initial playtest, i wouldnt bank too heavily on the accuracy of 5-shot kills for dmr/br and 6-shot for pistol. i have a hard time believing this was thoroughly tested under the conditions.

[Munish23]

I'm not so sure about some of the details, but I'll wait to see some gameplay or play it myself before I say its shit or amazing. People who've played it have loved it so that's a good sign.

[mastrbiggy]

There is a difference. You can complain the look of the game, the sound. But not the gameplay if you have not played it. Right now, you have to trust 343i. You can not lecture someone about Einstein's Relativity Theory without reading it for yourself. So if you feel bloom is wrong, how do you feel it is wrong? You fear because of the results you saw in Reach. But I think 343i did see the problem with it too. (hopefully). Shit why I am writing this useless post.

Because it needed to be said.

[Hypertrooper]

Not just posting to rub it in (LOL) but I also wanted to share some relevant info. I just played multiplayer on two maps and watched Frankie play campaign (just up to the first battle with the Covenant on the Forward Unto Dawn.) Also attending were Louis Wu and Mig from HBO. Talked to Frankie for a while too. Good times. First multi-player: -Frankie said the build was a month old but had some patches in the meantime. -We played on two maps- Warhouse and Wraparound (according to Wu) -It looks excellent. Whatever they did to the engine appears to have increased sharpness and resolution considerably. -Sound was a bit wonky in this build, but game play was already pretty solid. -Having sprint as standard totally makes sense. -Look sensitivity is higher now. It defaulted to 5 and I had to knock it down to 3. -Had loads of fun with the DMR. It made me feel like a halfway decent player for a moment, before several of the NFL guys who were there got into the game and destroyed me. Don't get too close with it though or it becomes unwieldy. -I found movement and weapon control to be very fluid. Wu had more problems for some reason. Possibly because he kept pressing crouch by accident! LOL. -This Promethean Vision thing is a gas. Not sure how much it helps see through walls etc. but it looks great. Machinima uses will abound. Mig called it "Moebius Vision" (after the recently departed sci-fi graphic novel artist/writer.) And campaign: Can't say too much about this as Frank only played the first 10 minutes. The opening is beautiful. As you probably know, we start on the Forward Unto Dawn where we last saw MC and Cortana hunkerin' down for a long wait. It's 4 years later and she is panicking and wakes him up. He's all grumpy and has to go fight a bunch of Covvies who have boarded. There are some cool player controlled bits like climbing a ladder rung by rung with the ability to jump over to other places on the way to avoid falling debris. Very cool. Then the familiar battling of grunts and elites, all of whom got nice armor upgrades in the interim. Cortana looks quite different and far more human. A little less glowy and maybe slightly younger. Go check Louis Wu's write up. I think he said a lot of the same stuff but probably with much more knowledge than I have! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=8769

http://www.thisspartanlife.com/forum...ic,5655.0.html

[BackdoorBeauty]

Right now, you have to trust 343i.

Naahhhh, nope. No, you don't have to trust anyone. Trust is earned, baby.

[Recarpo]

http://www.thisspartanlife.com/forum...ic,5655.0.html

Thanks for the link. Pretty good write up. All that's left now is to for 343 to have some playtests in the phoenix area and then I'm happy.

[Homeboyd]

Naahhhh, nope. No, you don't have to trust anyone. Trust is earned, baby.

I lol'd

<3 u HaloGaf

[StalkerUKCG]

Me and sai need cheap hotels around pax, if anyone got any suggestions give Sai them..

No double beds pl0x

[Trey]

There is a difference. You can complain the look of the game, the sound. But not the gameplay if you have not played it. Right now, you have to trust 343i. You can not lecture someone about Einstein's Relativity Theory without reading it for yourself. So if you feel bloom is wrong, how do you feel it is wrong? You fear because of the results you saw in Reach. But I think 343i did see the problem with it too. (hopefully). Shit why I am writing this useless post.

Actually, giving feedback (no matter how whiny some make it sound) is more constructive than just sitting back and trusting the developer to deliver what you want.

[NullPointer]

- This Promethean Vision thing is a gas. Not sure how much it helps see through walls etc. but it looks great. Machinima uses will abound. Mig called it "Moebius Vision" (after the recently departed sci-fi graphic novel artist/writer.)

OK, now I'm dying to see how this looks.

[Computron]

Some of us can spot the crazies from a mile away.

Some of us are really pretentious.

[Hypertrooper]

Actually, giving feedback (no matter how whiny some make it sound) is more constructive than just sitting back and trusting the developer to deliver what you want.

But how should I criticize something if I do not know how it plays? The only thing you can complain right now is that 343i does not clarify these controversial points. Or the look. But in terms for Gameplay, I do think that at this point you can only complain if you played the game. But you can say that you fear this feature.

[mastrbiggy]

Actually, giving feedback (no matter how whiny some make it sound) is more constructive than just sitting back and trusting the developer to deliver what you want.

I think everyone has every right to be concerned over things and voice their concerns, but assuming the worst (I know a lot of the COD posts are sarcastic and playful) and dismissing everything isn't doing anyone any favors.

[Steelyuhas]

based on the fact that weapon tuning is a work in progress (confirmed) and that this is based on a very limited time initial playtest, i wouldnt bank too heavily on the accuracy of 5-shot kills for dmr/br and 6-shot for pistol. i have a hard time believing this was thoroughly tested under the conditions.

Yeah I gotta agree.

We have seen that the BR has 36 rounds per clip, or 12 bursts. A 4sk makes for an 3 kills per clip, a 5sk makes 2 and change, which is just odd, especially considering that we have seen the DMR with a 15 round clip, which would also give it 3 kills per clip if it's a 5sk. You would assume as both of the main UNSC starting rifles in the game (that we know about), they would both have 3 kills per clip.

As for the Magnum, I have a hard time believing it's a 6sk with a 8 round clip though, 5sk with 8 rounds is useless enough, 6 is just silly.

We'll have to wait and see. Needs footage and infos straight from the 343!

[StalkerUKCG]

Yup thanks, its definitely given me some ideas for my second try.. Should I even bother finishing this drawing though?

Up to you, personally id use this version to trail out various things and then use the next version to solidify them then use a 3rd version to fully realize the vision

[Computron]

If my jetpack goes I'm taking your pro-pipe with me, so there. I'm petty like that ;P And awww yeah. Amazon delivered. (sorry for the shitty pic. Phone camera + hyper caffeination)

Nice! Add me I can be on in 30 min.

GT: Vlad356

[Homeboyd]

No double beds pl0x

You hooker. Where's my invite?

3deep

[kylej]

But how should I criticize something if I do not know how it plays? The only thing you can complain right now is that 343i does not clarify these controversial points. Or the look. But in terms for Gameplay, I do think that at this point you can only complain if you played the game. But you can say that you fear this feature.

I don't need to eat a turd to know it tastes bad.

[StalkerUKCG]

You hooker. Where's my invite? 3deep

We actually likely wont be sharing a room, im looking for a place with my GF, however same hotel would be nice.

I needs me candy

[Sai-kun]

This place is AWESOME today. Everyone who has played it likes it. I think we'll all make it through this alive, we just have to help each other and hold hands.

uhhhh i'm not holding hands w/ any of y'all

gosh :3

so stalker and i were talking today while (not) playing and he convinced me to go looking for flights to PAX....so my question is, how much do hotels/a place to stay (that are near the con center) cost? Flying out to seatac from chicago and back is around $450 from what I found in a quick search, might be able to find something cheaper but I'm not sure. Either way it's a bit pricey with just that. I'd also need to (obviously) get a pass for the con, and I don't know how much that is.

Thanks in advance for any tips/help :)

[HiredN00bs]

Halo 4 sounds more complex than Reach. It adds a new action button with ubiquitous Sprint (after Reach already added one for Armor Ability) and it has bloom, recoil, and spread.

I like the complexity Reach added, but won't making gameplay more complex steepen the learning curve for new players? I know there are other things, like the changes outlined in GI's reporting, that are being done in consideration for newbies, but minding the complexity of gameplay is of paramount importance in promoting accessibility.

[Hypertrooper]

I don't need to eat a turd to know it tastes bad.

There are some cultures who eat their turd. I think. Edit.: There aren't.

But at the end I see problems in my argumentation, so I already said that my post is useless or bullshit.

[NullPointer]

Nice! Add me I can be on in 30 min. GT: Vlad356

I'm still at work and then its Thor's Day beers. But I'll send you a friend invite this weekend.

Edit: Or hell, right this very instant thanks to the power of the interwebs.

[Computron]

I'm still at work and then its Thor's Day beers. But I'll send you a friend invite this weekend.

Sounds good!

[Trey]

But how should I criticize something if I do not know how it plays? The only thing you can complain right now is that 343i does not clarify these controversial points. Or the look. But in terms for Gameplay, I do think that at this point you can only complain if you played the game. But you can say that you fear this feature.

They can talk about how these systems sound on paper and theorize thereof. However, most (from what I see) don't actually break things down and express why they dislike the features, they just know how the worked in other games and base their distaste upon that. Which is reasonable if not somewhat shortsighted...

Press B to crouch

Fuck!

[neoism]

New Halo 4 premium theme is premium quality.

shame they cover half of it... :/

[zap]

Judging from Killa KC's imnpressions, I would say that the DMR bloom is more like the bloom on the Sniper in Reach - doesn't affect your shots, just tells you when to next pull the trigger. A visual aid to get the timing right (correct me if I am wrong Frankie).

I am intrigued to how well the weapon balance will feel when having to choose DMR or BR - I hope it's only a 2x scope on the DMR, or else BTB will have only DMRs and end up like Reach - everyone turtling.

Pistol that is less powerful than DMR/BR (can shoot faster but has bloom) makes me wonder how useful it will actually be. Especially with a clip of 8! One kill then reload? :/

The game is sounding fun, but I do have reservations, the perks worry me, but I will wait until proper explanation comes out before judging.

[StalkerUKCG]

Halo 4 sounds more complex than Reach. It adds a new action button with ubiquitous Sprint (after Reach already added one for Armor Ability) and it has bloom, recoil, and spread. I like the complexity Reach added, but won't making gameplay more complex steepen the learning curve for new players? I know there are other things, like the changes outlined in GI's reporting, that are being done in consideration for newbies, but minding the complexity of gameplay is of paramount importance in promoting accessibility.

Sprint on L3 and B to crouch will likely reduce the learning curve (everyone who plays games is familia with cod controls).

[Homeboyd]

When is RGIII going to tell me about Fourge?

[FyreWulff]

Just got out of the grocery store...my change?...3.43 Niiiiice

Ha. Just got back from applying for my passport and stopped by the store.. came home to show the change I got, and saw you did it too. 343: Change we can believe in?



Also, I didn't know they took your actual birth certificate when you apply for a passport. I feel so.. undocumented right now.

[blamite]

Yeah, they work fine.

Sweet, I'll try to find the cheapest one I can of reasonable quality.

And yes, Computron, I will PM you.

[Stinkles]

Ha. Just got back from applying for my passport and stopped by the store.. came home to show the change I got, and saw you did it too. 343: Change we can believe in? Also, I didn't know they took your actual birth certificate when you apply for a passport. I feel so.. undocumented right now.

If you die when you're between docs you cease to exist and Dolan Trump gets to drink your blood and grow more toilet hair out of his scalp.

[StalkerUKCG]

If you die when you're between docs you cease to exist and Dolan Trump gets to drink your blood and grow more toilet hair out of his scalp.

Will i get to touch you at pax?

[kylej]

Also, I didn't know they took your actual birth certificate when you apply for a passport. I feel so.. undocumented right now.

Show me the birth certificate.

[The Henery]

I don't need to eat a turd to know it tastes bad.

lol'd

But seriously, I don't think anyone here criticises out of hate or spite. As far as I can tell, everyone here pretty much loves Halo or they wouldn't have stayed around and posted for this long. If the game and franchise they love is seemingly moving in a different direction to what they'd prefer, there's no reason they should stay their tongue. It's what forums are for.

[Homeboyd]

Will i get to touch you at pax?

Bahahaha

SOOO inappropriate!

[FyreWulff]

Show me the birth certificate.

Well shit there goes my presidential run

[ElzarTheBam]

There are some cultures who eat their turd. I think. Edit.: There aren't. But at the end I see problems in my argumentation, so I already said that my post is useless or bullshit.

Fucking hell hyper, that edit made me spit my water out, lol.

[kylej]

Well shit there goes my presidential run

Fyre HUSSEIN Wulff

need I say more?

[heckfu]

Well shit there goes my presidential run

"NO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA DID IT HE'S A KENYAN MUSLIM AND MADE IT TO PRESIDENT SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND GIVE ME
MY FREEDOM AND HEALTH CARE BACK"
-Barlow

[Stinkles]

Will i get to touch you at pax?

[OverHeat]

shame they cover half of it... :/

More then half I posted a pic earlier

[Trey]

Well shit there goes my presidential run

Gotta kill America's Most Wanted. Smooth sailing after that.

[neoism]

I love coming home and reading HaloGAF losing their shit.

so you love reading it every day lol me too!

[kylej]

"NO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA DID IT HE'S A KENYAN MUSLIM AND MADE IT TO PRESIDENT SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND GIVE ME MY FREEDOM AND HEALTH CARE BACK" -Barlow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M

[Stinkles]

More then half I posted a pic earlier

Hi five Kuro-Komrade!

[Computron]

Sweet, I'll try to find the cheapest one I can of reasonable quality. And yes, Computron, I will PM you.

You would be surprised, Like 4-5 people have apparently missed that part.

[HiredN00bs]

Sprint on L3 and B to crouch will likely reduce the learning curve (everyone who plays games is familia with cod controls).

We forget what it's like to be a new player. Scramble your controls and see how long it takes you to regain proficiency.

[Tashi]

Ha. Just got back from applying for my passport and stopped by the store.. came home to show the change I got, and saw you did it too. 343: Change we can believe in? Also, I didn't know they took your actual birth certificate when you apply for a passport. I feel so.. undocumented right now.

Wow weird

[FyreWulff]

Oh also by the way, in addition to the Invasion content the CCs are still looking for, we're also now looking for content for the Anniversary lists. Anything that can slot into Anni Classic, Anni FFA, or Anni BTB is welcome in my inbox.

Just need your gamertag and a map name.