[Goya]

I was about to respond in an angry way to this post until the very last words... it all sounded so real!

I added some more for extra realism. =)

[JokerOfSpades]

It's still not less of a burden, in fact in can be just as traumatic because a man cannot come forward without questions of "weakness." Male victims are laughed at. Even most female victims do not undergo this.

Not only do we get stories like this, but others posted on GAF and anecdotes often show less of a traumatic response. I'm in no way saying that no guy ever has been traumatized by rape, but such trauma is likely less common than a raped female.

[Devolution]

Not only do we get stories like this, but others posted on GAF and anecdotes often show less of a traumatic response. I'm in no way saying that no guy ever has been traumatized by rape, but such trauma is likely less common than a raped female.

Why are you so inclined to compare the two? What does it matter? A rape victim is a rape victim.

[marrec]

Not only do we get stories like this, but others posted on GAF and anecdotes often show less of a traumatic response. I'm in no way saying that no guy ever has been traumatized by rape, but such trauma is likely less common than a raped female.

Can't the illusion of a less traumatic response be caused by how men view sex? If there is less trauma involved, doesn't that show an immaturity?

[Korey]

This info wasn't in the article from what I skimmed but did the woman threaten him? Did he feel threatened? Why didn't he just call 911 inside the apartment even while she was awake?

[Averon]

"I realized I was trapped and had to keep going until she fell asleep," Dieter said. "So we had sex five more times."

I get the feeling the guy didn't put up that much of a fight from this comment.

[JokerOfSpades]

Why are you so inclined to compare the two? What does it matter? A rape victim is a rape victim.

Not so. Besides that, reflex questioning to guys around me... answers are that they wouldn't care unless they were married. We'd like to equate them, but again, sociological umwelt. This is also why, as you noted before, guys feel so much safer outside at night than women.

[Devolution]

Not so. Besides that, reflex questioning to guys around me... answers are that they wouldn't care unless they were married. We'd like to equate them, but again, sociological umwelt. This is also why, as you noted before, guys feel so much safer outside at night than women.

More of a threat of violence is not the same as already being violated. We're talking about victims after the fact. I don't even know what your point is anymore.

[JokerOfSpades]

Can't the illusion of a less traumatic response be caused by how men view sex? If there is less trauma involved, doesn't that show an immaturity?

You can put it that way if you'd like, but not being hurt is still advantageous. "Grow up and be offended/hurt" sounds like a bad idea. And different sexual views does not mean one is mature or immature. Or we can go straight to calling everyone who likes sex out. It shouldn't matter.

[Devolution]

You can put it that way if you'd like, but not being hurt is still advantageous. "Grow up and be offended/hurt" sounds like a bad idea. And different sexual views does not mean one is mature or immature. Or we can go straight to calling everyone who likes sex out. It shouldn't matter.

I think you missed the boat somewhere. I'm talking about victims who are definitely hurt but the peer pressure is such that anyone who complains must be gay or weak.

[bangladesh]

I'd like to be raped by a hot female.

[JokerOfSpades]

More of a threat of violence is not the same as already being violated. We're talking about victims after the fact. I don't even know what your point is anymore.

Basically a rape victim who is actually hurt shouldn't be equated to one who isn't... defamation, assault, etc. is treated in the same way. Testify "I don't really give a shit," and you're hardly a victim.

[JokerOfSpades]

I think you missed the boat somewhere. I'm talking about victims who are definitely hurt but the peer pressure is such that anyone who complains must be gay or weak.

In that case, yeah. If they're hurt, they're hurt, and they are a victim, despite circumstances/gender.

[Snakeyes]

All double-standards aside, the article mentions nothing of what frau-frau actually did to coerce the man aside from locking the door. Was it a case of "fuck me and I'll give you the key"? Fuck her until she falls asleep? But he still won't be able to find the key. Something doesn't add up. Sounds like a scenario he could have extracted himself from at any time. Or, if he couldn't, I don't see anything forcing him to have sex with the woman. I'd say the same thing if this was a man or a woman.

From what the article says, he fucked the girl three times then decided to leave, but she had previously locked the door and wouldn't let him go until he fully satisfied her.

But damn, "fuck me and I'll give you the key" sounds like a great challenge in a Dudebro Zelda.

[fireside]

In that case, yeah. If they're hurt, they're hurt, and they are a victim, despite circumstances/gender.

Yeah, and if a male rape victim needs help it is hard for him to get it because we don’t take rape committed against men seriously enough as it is.

[Glorified G]

Heard some radio jockeys laughing about this story this morning. Let's cut to the chase and say "men can't get raped" and let the thread (d)evolve from there.

The foreshadowing of this post is very eerie................

[JokerOfSpades]

Yeah, and if a male rape victim needs help it is hard for him to get it because we don’t take rape committed against men seriously enough as it is.

True. But what I said earlier still stands. An actual victim is indeed a victim, but that problem could be solved if either of these happens:

1) People stopped being assholes to victims
2) Men started being hurt by rape more

I'd personally prefer the former, but.

[LordCanti]

True. But what I said earlier still stands. An actual victim is indeed a victim, but that problem could be solved if either of these happens: 1) People stopped being assholes to victims 2) Men started being hurt by rape more I'd personally prefer the former, but.

What? Men are hurt the same, unless we're talking about the fraction of a percent that happen to be raped by attractive women.

Wait...

I've been sucked into the vortex.

Scratch the last bit. All rape victims are hurt, regardless of who rapes them.

[JokerOfSpades]

What? Men are hurt the same, unless we're talking about the fraction of a percent that happen to be raped by attractive women. Wait... I've been sucked into the vortex.

1) Neither of us have actual, stats, one
2) I was speaking exclusively of this story, and the last, and other stories of the sort on GAF. All of which included an attractive woman.

EDIT: Hence my description of "victim." I've already addressed this.

[5amshift]

These threads aren't good without pictures.

[crazy monkey]

These threads aren't good without pictures.

. Need to decide if i would be happy , sad or sort of want status.

[shinobi602]

Where the hell are the pics?

[LordCanti]

. Need to decide if i would be happy , sad or sort of want status.

I ache just from the thought of using it five times in the span of five hours.

[Jarmel]

Need pics to determine if I need to buy a plane ticket.

Seriously I don't understand how she's not getting laid if she's fairly attractive.

[SapientWolf]

Eight times in one day? Under extreme duress? She's an insatiable nympho sex fiend and he's sexing her like a porn star. Of course she's not gonna let him go anywhere. I'm not saying that he's lying, but I think he played it the wrong way.

[Kreunt]

but what if he was gay and/or she was really ugly?

[dondarm]

but what if he was gay and/or she was really ugly?

Read the OP, they had consensual sex three times.
Also this might be a pic of the victim:

Take it with a grain of salt, though, as it seems that only one german tabloid uses this.

[fireside]

True. But what I said earlier still stands. An actual victim is indeed a victim, but that problem could be solved if either of these happens: 1) People stopped being assholes to victims 2) Men started being hurt by rape more I'd personally prefer the former, but.

It’s funny you say you prefer the former because you are contributing to an environment that is an asshole to victims by saying we shouldn’t take rape committed against men more seriously and that it is less likely for men to be traumatized by rape.

[JokerOfSpades]

It’s funny you say you prefer the former because you are contributing to an environment that is an asshole to victims by saying we shouldn’t take rape committed against men more seriously and that it is less likely for men to be traumatized by rape.

Show me where I said either. My posts were pretty specific, mate.

[fireside]

Show me where I said either. My posts were pretty specific, mate.

I doubt it will change... we don't want to make rape less harsh for women, we (naturally) wish to eliminate it. On the other hand, we wouldn't want to make rape more severe for men.

The only sense I can make from this post is “Being raped is more harsh for women, but less harsh for men.”

It would appear that rape is less damaging to men than it is to women. This is unlikely to change because we don't want women to take being raped less seriously, and we wouldn't want men to take being raped more seriously - why would we if it harms them less?

“Let's not take rape committed against men more seriously—after all, it doesn’t affect them as much.”

Being raped by an attractive member of the opposite sex. Not only is it not taken harshly in stories like this, but I can tell you that we don't take it seriously socially either (that I've seen).

“If the woman raping a man is attractive, we don't take it seriously.”

Not only do we get stories like this, but others posted on GAF and anecdotes often show less of a traumatic response. I'm in no way saying that no guy ever has been traumatized by rape, but such trauma is likely less common than a raped female.

“It is less likely for a man to be traumatized by being raped than it is for a woman.”

[Kreunt]

Its the circumstances that rape happens in that makes it traumatic, not the intercourse by itself.
A woman locking a door is hardly traumatic.

[Kreunt]

unless its kathy bates

[JokerOfSpades]

The only sense I can make from this post is “Being raped is more harsh for women, but less harsh for men.” “Let's not take rape committed against men more seriously—after all, it doesn’t affect them as much.” “If the woman raping a man is attractive, we don't take it seriously.” “It is less likely for a man to be traumatized by being raped than it is for a woman.”

*sigh*

Yes, for the first one (being raped by an attractive woman). Again, I was specific.

For the second, it was obviously a comparison - we would not wish for men to be hurt more by rape.

Third, okay? That's true? Hence my later statement? No, many men don't take it seriously, especially socially... your point?

Fourth, I have a specific set of parameters laid out. And my statement stands (under those parameters)... what's your point?

I never said "we shouldn’t take rape committed against men more seriously,"
I expressly said that we should not make men take being raped more seriously. Not that we should not take rape against men seriously. It's different, really.

"It is less likely for men to be traumatized by rape."
This part was why I noted that I was very specific. I specified the parameters of rape I was talking about. Then I went on to note that if a person is hurt by it, they are a victim, and it should be taken seriously.

[Redux]

This world could use more female rapists.

[Vulcano's assistant]

Silly woman, should have invited more people, let the guys take turns.

[JokerOfSpades]

Silly woman, should have invited more people, let the guys take turns.

She tried. With the cops. She failed.

[Devolution]

This world could use more female rapists.

No.

[JokerOfSpades]

And I should have noted that unlike men, women also have the capability to become pregnant due to rape.

[Devolution]

And I should have noted that unlike men, women also have the capability to become pregnant due to rape.

Why do you continue to play trauma olympics?

[JokerOfSpades]

Why do you continue to play trauma olympics?

Not playing anything. Noting certain facts and factors - nothing more. Also, usually these "olympics" have one side trying to prove that they are the most x (oppressed, traumatized, etc.). Not stating that the other side is more so...

Otherwise we could say that we are playing oppression olympics when we make a statement like "black slaves were worse off than white indentured servants," or "females were worse off in the past than men were." Yeah, there are exceptions, absolutely, but there is a general truth to those sentiments.

[RDreamer]

Honestly, I feel a bit bad that I think I would find this scenario kind of hot. I suppose, though, that would depend on tone and if I felt like she could actually hurt me... but the thought of a woman wanting sex with me so badly and so many times that she'd lock the door and hide the key. Goddamn that'd be hot.

Still, I feel bad for that guy if he was scared out of his mind.

No one else is impressed that he had sex five times in five hours?

Huh? No, not at all.

[fireside]

*sigh* Yes, for the first one (being raped by an attractive woman). Again, I was specific. For the second, it was obviously a comparison - we would not wish for men to be hurt more by rape. Third, okay? That's true? Hence my later statement? No, many men don't take it seriously, especially socially... your point? Fourth, I have a specific set of parameters laid out. And my statement stands (under those parameters)... what's your point? I never said "we shouldn’t take rape committed against men more seriously," I expressly said that we should not make men take being raped more seriously. Not that we should not take rape against men seriously. It's different, really. "It is less likely for men to be traumatized by rape." This part was why I noted that I was very specific. I specified the parameters of rape I was talking about. Then I went on to note that if a person is hurt by it, they are a victim, and it should be taken seriously.

I think everything you’re saying downplays the seriousness of rape; it doesn’t matter what the context is or what the parameters are. You and other men thinking that maybe it’s not that serious if a man is raped by an attractive woman—for example—is, to me, trivializing the rape in that instance, and trivializing all rape as a result. Saying you’ll take it seriously when it’s serious doesn’t work if you’re fostering an environment where rape isn’t taken seriously, and victims are less likely to come forward because of that.

[JokerOfSpades]

I think everything you’re saying downplays the seriousness of rape; it doesn’t matter what the context is or what the parameters are. You and other men thinking that maybe it’s not that serious if a man is raped by an attractive woman—for example—is, to me, trivializing the rape in that instance, and trivializing all rape as a result. Saying you’ll take it seriously when it’s serious doesn’t work if you’re fostering an environment where rape isn’t taken seriously, and victims are less likely to come forward because of that.

Hence the earlier post you responded to:

1) People stop being assholes to those who are victimized
2) Men start being harmed more by rape

We do not want the latter. I would prefer that rape stay as non-damaging as possible. The best choice is the first one, where people take those who are victimized (as I described it, actually harmed by rape) seriously.

I'm not saying that we as the public should not take it seriously. I'm saying that male victims do not, in accordance to the news stories and anecdotes posted here on GAF, do not take it seriously, nor do potential victims of rape by an attractive female take it seriously.

But they should absolutely take someone who feels that they are a victim (again, actually harmed) seriously.

[Persona7]

This world could use more female rapists.

What the fuck am I reading



I am stunned by stupidity.

[fanboi]

Read the OP, they had consensual sex three times. Also this might be a pic of the victim: Take it with a grain of salt, though, as it seems that only one german tabloid uses this.

Time to leave this thread when I have my imaginary picture of Scarlett Johansen being the mad sex woman.

Cya thread!

[tearsofash]

This ain't right. There's plenty of folk who would pay good money for a fantasy scenario abduction/rape play and she has to go do it someone nonconsensually.

[Metroid Killer]

This world could use more female rapists.

Shit posts like this ought to be a bannable offense.

[Des0lar]

Shit posts like this ought to be a bannable offense.

wow just wow

*not at your post

[Lord Ghirahim]

This world could use more female rapists.

You can "create" a perpetrator by victimizing them. When you wish for more female rapists, you are essentially asking for more women to be raped. And those female rapists' victims might go on to victimize someone else to regain their lost sense of power. And so on.

[Fritz]

No one else is impressed that he had sex five times in five hours?

It's a brag-complaint!