[ThatCrazyGuy]

give who a push though? only Cap and Stark were at that table.

I think it was mostly for stark, because he was closest to him of all of them?

[Good Job Bob]

why were people disappointed with him in the movie?

He came off as useless.

[KevinCow]

2013: 2 IM3 & Thor 2 2014: 2 CA2 & Ant-Man(?) 2015: 1 The Avengers 2 It's possible that 2015 gets another movie alongside A2, though. Or 2015 gets TWO new movies and A2 in 2016. Who knows..

I say Avengers 2 in 2016.

3 years from A1 to A2 is too short. It was a 4 year build-up to A1, I think another 4 year build-up sounds just right.

2013: IM3 and Thor 2
2014: Cap 2
2015: Ant-Man & Black Panther
2016: Avengers 2

Ant-Man and Black Panther in the year before Avengers 2 is like how they did Cap 1 and Thor 1 in the same year before Avengers 1. Take a year off of the established heroes to introduce a couple new ones, and to cleanse the palate before the main event.

[Staccat0]

People shouldn't forget that new heroes can be introduced and added in other characters films. You could easily introduce Scarlett Witch as a villain or Vision as a minor character and not give them a film themselves. Avengers could partially be about "recruiting" this minor charcter.

We got 2 avengers this way before.

I say save either Ant Man or Black Panther for 3. Don't blow your load with both + wasp

[ReiGun]

give who a push though? only Cap and Stark were at that table.

Well, Stark really needed the push, as he was clearly ready to bail. Just the way he delivered the "We are not soldiers!" line. Dude was freaking out.

[Tobor]

Black Panther is not going to get a standalone movie. If they want him in the Avengers, he'll be introduced in somebody else's movie. Same goes for Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, or any of the other B list Avengers.

[Staccat0]

Black Panther is not going to get a standalone movie. If they want him in the Avengers, he'll be introduced in somebody else's movie. Same goes for Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, or any of the other B list Avengers.

I could see panther getting a film simply for the sake of diversity... as cynical as that might sound, I wouldn't mind it.

[Sentry]

Not only lied to them, but also took the time to smear the dude's blood on the cards? Fury doesn't fuck around.

His hands were probably already bloody from when he was holding Coulson as he died..

Black Panther is not going to get a standalone movie. If they want him in the Avengers, he'll be introduced in somebody else's movie. Same goes for Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, or any of the other B list Avengers.

I don't know, I think Black Panther could get a standalone movie if done right. The whole advanced tech in an old civilization type thing could be cool on the big screen.

But you're probably right, an intro or hint in CA2, perhaps.

[Escape Goat]

I hope we stick with this crew for at least 2 more movies so we can get a bit more familiarity among the cast. Save new introductions into the Avengers films for the next trilogy or something. Or get rid of Hawkeye with someone cool. I could live with that.

[ReiGun]

I could see panther getting a film simply for the sake of diversity... as cynical as that might sound, I wouldn't mind it.

Marvel has already commissioned the script, and have been in talks with actors to play him. So they're interested in doing it, at least.

I think the cast can handle one or two more Avengers in the sequel. Especially if the new guy's intro happens in another movie.

[Good Job Bob]

No more character introductions in solo films, please; that just shits up the film.

[Jtrizzy]

He came off as useless.

Really? I thought he came off as the leader of the group despite the fact that his abilities aren't as awesome as many of the others. He positioned everyone in the end for success.

[Staccat0]

Marvel has already commissioned the script, and have been in talks with actors to play him. So they're interested in doing it, at least.

It could ither be cool or cringe worthy depending how far they take the african tribal leader thing

[sharbhund]

I say Avengers 2 in 2016. 3 years from A1 to A2 is too short. It was a 4 year build-up to A1, I think another 4 year build-up sounds just right. 2013: IM3 and Thor 2 2014: Cap 2 2015: Ant-Man & Black Panther 2016: Avengers 2 Ant-Man and Black Panther in the year before Avengers 2 is like how they did Cap 1 and Thor 1 in the same year before Avengers 1. Take a year off of the established heroes to introduce a couple new ones, and to cleanse the palate before the main event.

I don't know much about Guardians of the Galaxy. Could that be the Disney-Marvel animated movie that Feige keeps hinting at?

[Escape Goat]

It could ither be cool or cringe worthy depending how far they take the african tribal leader thing

Its cool. Its being written by the guys who did RE5 script

[Staccat0]

Really? I thought he came off as the leader of the group despite the fact that his abilities aren't as awesome as many of the others. He positioned everyone in the end for success.

Everyone in my group of friends thought he came across as awesome. A lot of talk was given to his leadership and also how hard he was pushing himself despite not being a god or cyber man.

Its cool. Its being written by the guys who did RE5 script

[Replicant]

Really? I thought he came off as the leader of the group despite the fact that his abilities aren't as awesome as many of the others. He positioned everyone in the end for success.

I thought so too. I can, however, use a few more of cool scenes of him kicking ass. I like the ones where he jumped off the plane, the part where he did acrobat to reach the lever, and the somersault fight against the Chitauri + shield deflect scenes but I want more!

And yes, I think people forget that he's just a normal human who happens to be stronger than the most. He has his limit unlike Hulk or Thor. I think it was realistic that towards the end of the film, most of the human characters were almost flat out tired/wasted (ie. Hawkeye cringing in pain when he landed back first on the floor, Cap falling during his fight, etc).

[NullPointer]

His hands were probably already bloody from when he was holding Coulson as he died..

Then he was still thoughtless enough to ruin a vintage set of near-mint Captain America trading cards. What an asshole.

I thought his best line in the movie was "Gamma rays can be dangerous."

[bigboss370]

Banner was in the back. But Widow and Hawkeye work for Shield. Those 3 were the only ones who had to be convinced to stay.

dude banner was busy busy falling 30,000 feet. like someone else said i think it was mainly for Stark, since Phil had a dynamic with Stark, and Fury pointed out how Phil was a believer in heroes, and a believer in the Avengers initiative.

[cutmeamango]

The cool thing about adding Black Panther to Avengers is that they'll have a black guy to kill AND say "Aveeeenge meeee".

[Sentry]

I say Avengers 2 in 2016. 3 years from A1 to A2 is too short. It was a 4 year build-up to A1, I think another 4 year build-up sounds just right. 2013: IM3 and Thor 2 2014: Cap 2 2015: Ant-Man & Black Panther 2016: Avengers 2 Ant-Man and Black Panther in the year before Avengers 2 is like how they did Cap 1 and Thor 1 in the same year before Avengers 1. Take a year off of the established heroes to introduce a couple new ones, and to cleanse the palate before the main event.

Well (iirc) we know for a fact that there will be a second MCU movie in 2014, alongside CA2. But yeah, if A2 in 2016 means a chance at new MCU franchises, then i'm all for it.

[Escape Goat]

dude banner was busy busy falling 30,000 feet. like someone else said i think it was mainly for Stark, since Phil had a dynamic with Stark, and Fury pointed out how Phil was a believer heroes, and a believer in the Avengers initiative.

Yeah, i think I got my magic meeting room scenes mixed up.

[Tobor]

dude banner was busy busy falling 30,000 feet. like someone else said i think it was mainly for Stark, since Phil had a dynamic with Stark, and Fury pointed out how Phil was a believer heroes, and a believer in the Avengers initiative.

It was equally for Cap. He even dropped the old fashioned line on him. I figure Coulson had told Fury about their earlier conversation and he used it as a final dig.

[Good Job Bob]

2013: Iron Man 3 & Thor 2
2014: Captain America 2 & Ant-Man
2015: Black Panther & ??? (Hulk movie?)
2016: Avengers 2

[Jtrizzy]

Also, I could be forgetting, but there wasn't much explanation of the Chittauri was there?

[Escape Goat]

It was equally for Cap. He even dropped the old fashioned line on him. I figure Coulson had told Fury about their earlier conversation and he used it as a final dig.

cap also needed to buy into his status as a symbol. He couldn't be bothered to indulge Coulson and his hero worship. Thats what he was fighting for now. People and not orders.

[Sblargh]

That's who needed the push. Thor was ready, Black Widow and Hawkeye will follow orders, and Banner is a wild card. He needed Stark and Cap motivated.

Widow and Hawkeye actually betrayed SHIELD to join the avengers (which was cheapened by the fact they were being manipulated by Fury, but still); it's just that their motivation was revenge on Loki for mind-controlling Hawkeye + redemption for what wrong they both did in the past.

But yeah, I found it weird that they decide to be the avengers with only two at the battle, otoh, it's the two leaders.

[Sentry]

I think a Hulk movie is going to be wedged in there somewhere. Not sure how or when, maybe it's the second big 2014 pic and Ant-Man is treated as a smaller third pic?

I'm not sure, the Hulk movie talk isn't anywhere near finalized as Ant-Man is. They know it has to be thought about carefully and not just embrace the hype of Avengers. I personally don't think it'll happen.

If Feige thinks they can find a way to fit it in and make it an actual appealing movie, with a new take on it, then it'll happen. If not, they won't do it. They're being smart about it.

why were people disappointed with him in the movie?

Just sort of underpowered in comparison to his role in the comics. Really doesn't bring anything substantial to the table as a 'leader' other than shouting arbitrary orders.

[ReiGun]

It could ither be cool or cringe worthy depending how far they take the african tribal leader thing

He'll probably just be a simple king type figure. I can't see them getting too deep in Wakanda's politics. I imagine much of the film will be about T'Challa trying to take up the mantle after T'Chaka's death.

I just realized one good thing about X-Men being stuck at Fox: I'll never have to watch a movie dealing with BP's boring as fuck marriage to Storm. :D

The cool thing about adding Black Panther to Avengers is that they'll have a black guy to kill AND say "Aveeeenge meeee".

Please. If they need a black guy to kill, that's what War Machine's bitch ass is for. T'Challa is too awesome for that.

[shintoki]

I hope we stick with this crew for at least 2 more movies so we can get a bit more familiarity among the cast. Save new introductions into the Avengers films for the next trilogy or something. Or get rid of Hawkeye with someone cool. I could live with that.

Still going to add more in. That is a fact. They want the merchandising, another franchise, etc. Problem is who. Being honest, I can't see them making a lead film for a woman. And the other two mentions, Ant Man and Black Panther, seem to be in that as well. We'll throw it around, but its never going to be marketable like they hope.

So I would end up expecting a larger supporting cast next time, and at most 1 new hero... if that.

[oatmeal]

Saw it tonight...

Other than the worst crowd I've ever seen a movie with (my wife and I counted 17 times that a parent had to drag their crying child out, the rows in front and behind me were packed with children under 5, and there were people hooting and hollering the entire time as well as laughing loud and long and repeating lines...) it was still a fantastic movie.

My favorite superhero movie to date.

[Jtrizzy]

It was equally for Cap. He even dropped the old fashioned line on him. I figure Coulson had told Fury about their earlier conversation and he used it as a final dig.

Or Black Widow told him, as she was the one who joked with cap about it.

[TOM f'N CRUISE]

this one should be on every page, you're right

just putting this here

[NullPointer]

Just sort of underpowered in comparison to his role in the comics. Really doesn't bring anything substantial to the table as a 'leader' other than shouting arbitrary orders.

"Hulk... smash!" was the best damn order anybody could give. He wins.

(Although his intro mission in Germany made me groan a bit. Defending an old man with his shield in the crowd before making a quip about Hitler? Yeah. Subtle. Along with the whole "There's only one God and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress that way", but I was willing to let that go for the sake of reaching out to the mainstream audience.)

[Escape Goat]

i need to hear these things in a movie before I die

"Avengers assemble."

"Hulk smash."

"Sweet Christmas"

"By your powers combined"

[Good Job Bob]

i need to hear these things in a movie before I die "Avengers assemble." "Hulk smash." "Sweet Christmas" "By your powers combined"

Captain America said it in this film and Hulk said it in TIH.

[bigboss370]

It was equally for Cap. He even dropped the old fashioned line on him. I figure Coulson had told Fury about their earlier conversation and he used it as a final dig.

i don't think Cap needed motivation, he already fits the role of old fashioned hero; he's dedicated to the cause from the beginning. that's why he goes after Stark and Thor even when Widow suggests him to sit it out.

[ThatCrazyGuy]

"Hulk... smash!" was the best damn order anybody could give. He wins. (Although his intro mission in Germany made me groan a bit. Defending an old man with his shield in the crowd before making a quip about Hitler? Yeah. Subtle. Along with the whole "There's only one God and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress that way", but I was willing to let that go for the sake of reaching out to the mainstream audience.)

I thought they were going for intentional corny with those 2 moments. Good ole American boy stuff, haha.

[Hawkian]

just putting this here

Attaboy.

[ReiGun]

i need to hear these things in a movie before I die "Avengers assemble." "Hulk smash." "Sweet Christmas" "By your powers combined"

Change "Hulk Smash!" to "Hulk strongest one there is!", and you got it.

[Glass Rebel]

You just know the short film on the BlueRay will be Fury visiting Coulson in the hospital and after a brief conversation throwing the Captain America cards in his lap and make him drop a single tear.

[Good Job Bob]

"Hulk... smash!" was the best damn order anybody could give. He wins. (Although his intro mission in Germany made me groan a bit. Defending an old man with his shield in the crowd before making a quip about Hitler? Yeah. Subtle. Along with the whole "There's only one God and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress that way", but I was willing to let that go for the sake of reaching out to the mainstream audience.)

http://marvel.wikia.com/One-Above-All_(Multiverse)

[KevinCow]

I thought Cap was great. The "Why should I listen to you?" cop was one of the best parts in the movie. And when they all circle up in that great shot, not really sure what to do next? Iron Man says, "Call it, Cap." Then he immediately knows where everyone needs to be, and everyone follows his orders, no hesitation, no questions.

I think he had a good arc. At the beginning, he's uncertain about his place in this new world. But by the end, he's learned how to lead this crazy group of superheroes.

Tony also had a good arc, from selfish and stubborn to learning how to work with a team and take orders. I think it says a lot that he, of all people, was the one who told Cap to call it.

And Bruce has a good arc in learning to come to terms with the Hulk and see how he can use it for good.

Thor didn't really have much of an arc, though. At the beginning, he was Thor. At the end, he was Thor. Thor is an awesome thing to be, but he didn't really change at all, aside from coming to the realization that he probably shouldn't be the aggressor towards people who have the same goals and interests as him.

[Escape Goat]

You just know the short film on the BlueRay will be Fury visiting Coulson in the hospital and after a brief conversation throwing the Captain America cards in his lap and make him drop a single tear.

I hope they do a freeze frame. That always means its important and happy times.

[NullPointer]

http://marvel.wikia.com/One-Above-All_(Multiverse)

*mind blown*

Its the Beyonder in drag isn't it? That is some Shift-Z level power right there.

I thought they were going for intentional corny with those 2 moments. Good ole American boy stuff, haha.

Its all in good fun.

[Staccat0]

I thought they were going for intentional corny with those 2 moments. Good ole American boy stuff, haha.

And personally, I ate it the fuck up

[ThatCrazyGuy]

And personally, I ate it the fuck up

I liked them too. Seems like something Cap would say.

[BeautifulMemory]

cap looked fucking boss without the mask

[Staccat0]

I thought Cap was great. The "Why should I listen to you?" cop was one of the best parts in the movie. And when they all circle up in that great shot, not really sure what to do next? Iron Man says, "Call it, Cap." Then he immediately knows where everyone needs to be, and everyone follows his orders, no hesitation, no questions. I think he had a good arc. At the beginning, he's uncertain about his place in this new world. But by the end, he's learned how to lead this crazy group of superheroes. Tony also had a good arc, from selfish and stubborn to learning how to work with a team and take orders. I think it says a lot that he, of all people, was the one who told Cap to call it. And Bruce has a good arc in learning to come to terms with the Hulk and see how he can use it for good. Thor didn't really have much of an arc, though. At the beginning, he was Thor. At the end, he was Thor. Thor is an awesome thing to be, but he didn't really change at all, aside from coming to the realization that he probably shouldn't be the aggressor towards people who have the same goals and interests as him.

Thor's villain = no need for an arc in a busy movie

[cutmeamango]

Please. If they need a black guy to kill, that's what War Machine's bitch ass is for. T'Challa is too awesome for that.

Forgot his metal ass! Yeah, he is my choice of death.

i need to hear these things in a movie before I die "Avengers assemble." "Hulk smash." "Sweet Christmas" "By your powers combined"

So that's the secret to immortality huh.