[GraveRobberX]

Please don't be... Please don't be... Please don't be...

GODDAMMIT!

[ShinobiFist]

They need a strong female spoke person out there. This shit is getting out of hand. How about putting some broom sticks up this fools asses and chop their dicks off with a plastic butter knife dipped in lime.....Fuck that shit, show them Audition....

[animlboogy]

From your article: 8,500 acid attacks reported in Pakistan in the last year. Ugh.

Okay, now THAT is a big number per year. My god.

[shagg_187]

But...but...but... He's her husband. He's the one who gets to enjoy her beauty the most. WTF?!

Exactly. Fucking piece of shit.

[Vilix]

They need a strong female spoke person out there. This shit is getting out of hand. How about putting some broom sticks up this fools asses and chop their dicks off with a plastic butter knife dipped in lime.....Fuck that shit, show them Audition....

They had one until they assassinated her.

[speculawyer]

So you have a hot wife . . . . so throw acid on her.

WTF? I'm confused.

[Messypandas]

So you have a hot wife . . . . so throw acid on her. WTF? I'm confused.

it's like keying your own car

[scosher]

Quick research shows that this is a problem in Pakistan and not an isolated incident as some GAF-defenders are already trying to label it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/op...30kristof.html

Acid attacks and wife burnings are common in parts of Asia because the victims are the most voiceless in these societies: they are poor and female. The first step is simply for the world to take note, to give voice to these women. Since 1994, Ms. Bukhari has documented 7,800 cases of women who were deliberately burned, scalded or subjected to acid attacks, just in the Islamabad area. In only 2 percent of those cases was anyone convicted.

And more recently:

http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/acid-a...more-1.1266322

More than 8 500 acid attacks, forced marriages and other forms of violence against women were reported in Pakistan last year, according to The Aurat Foundation, a women’s rights organisation. “The saddest part is she realised that the system in Pakistan was never going to provide her with relief or remedy,” Nayyar Shabana Kiyani, an activist at The Aurat Foundation, said of Younus.

[Banglish]

is it exclusive to pakistan?

Nope. India, Bangladesh(at least has done the humanitarian thing and introduced the death penalty for acid throwing), Cambodia, Afghanistan, cases in Gaza too. Women aren't safe no matter what race, religion, or class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

I absolutely love "nation-men"/diplomats that say "Well, we have a few problems.. but other countries have their problems too!"

[Misfits]

They had one until they assassinated her.

i thought terrorists were behind the assassination, not the general public who were actually behind her and supported her.

and wow, just wow at how prevalent acid attacks. its as bad as immolation cases. what wretched people.

[xbhaskarx]

Quick research shows that this is a problem in Pakistan and not an isolated incident as some GAF-defenders are already trying to label it. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/op...30kristof.html Since 1994, Ms. Bukhari has documented 7,800 cases of women who were deliberately burned, scalded or subjected to acid attacks, just in the Islamabad area. In only 2 percent of those cases was anyone convicted.

crazy...

[CornBurrito]

Because anyone that would throw acid on their wife is subhuman.

I think that given the "right" environment, anyone could become that type of person.

Following that, if you can change the environment you can rehabilitate the person.

[Sickboy007]

i think he's talking about this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/122670.stm

That's the most fucked up thing i've read in quite a while.

[Rentahamster]

i think he's talking about this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/122670.stm

Oh god, that's just fucked up. 1998, I wonder what the situation is like now.

[AAK]

They had one until they assassinated her.

A Strong female spokesperson? She was a scumbag.

Well, the former foreign minister of Pakistan is a woman, Hina Rabbani Khar:



But I bet she got the position just because of her parent's contacts rather than earning it.

[The Internet]

My mom is from Lahore, I was there in 2004 and I read the newspaper everyday. I remember reading about these terrible acid attacks on women, but almost all of them took place in rural areas.

The Pakistani's that live in the big cities have education and are very smart. Most of them have better english skills than most of North Americans, I'm not lying. They hate this kind of crap and it bugs them that this stuff happens in the small towns. In a country of 300 million people, crazy shyte is bound to happen.

I am born in Canada and have lived in the U.S. and here all my life, hearing about all the bad stuff about Pakistan it was nice to see first hand how the people really are.

[Lord Ghirahim]

So you have a hot wife . . . . so throw acid on her. WTF? I'm confused.

Why are you trying to make sense of it? I'm confused.

[tino]

So you have a hot wife . . . . so throw acid on her. WTF? I'm confused.

What you marry a woman in India (and Pakistan too?), she comes with ridiculously huge amount of dowry. If she is dead you can marry another one and get another huge dowry. Google "bride bruning".

[Mdeezy]

I wish someone would throw acid in his face. Those men are so damn insecure about their wives. Why get married to a woman deemed "too beautiful"?

[Farooq]

There was a documentary film on this matter called Saving Face, Directed by Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saving_Face_(2012_film)

The film won an academy award.

The film's trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWrk-brFCrY



Also, people must consider that Pakistan is a very tribal country, where the the justice system is quite inept. If you don't have money for bribes, your case will rarely see any light. This along with cultural inequalities for women, are one of the reasons why there is a low conviction rate. The inept justice system is also one of the reason's why Sharia Law is popular in the northern regions, simply because it is cheap and "justice" is handed down swiftly. If anyone would like to better understand the country I would recommend this book. Pakistan : A Hard Country, by Anatol Lieven

Book Description:

In the past decade Pakistan has become a country of immense importance to its region, the United States, and the world. With almost 200 million people, a 500,000-man army, nuclear weapons, and a large diaspora in Britain and North America, Pakistan is central to the hopes of jihadis and the fears of their enemies. Yet the greatest short-term threat to Pakistan is not Islamist insurgency as such, but the actions of the United States, and the greatest long-term threat is ecological change. Anatol Lieven's book is an investigation of this highly complex and often poorly understood country: its regions, ethnicities, competing religious traditions, varied social landscapes, deep political tensions, and historical patterns of violence; but also its surprising underlying stability, rooted in kinship, patronage, and the power of entrenched local elites.

[GraveRobberX]

I wish someone would throw acid in his face. Those men are so damn insecure about their wives. Why get married to a woman deemed "too beautiful"?

Desi men from the rural areas and just the nature of them is really fucked up

There's a reason why women are held back, not educated, not be equal, and be subordinates/slaves

I have seen it my own eyes in my family:

My uncle was told by the doctors, no more babies for him and his wife after baby #2
There was a huge chance due to some reason his wife might get MS due to child birth or some shit like that
So she started pushing him away, to stay alive, he FORCED her to have sex, she pressed charges, he got thrown-in jail for a few days, but my sly grandmother talked my aunt out of pressing charges, so she dropped it
Then after a few months, he started having anal sex with her, due to him giving her ultimatum, let me in or I leave and you raise those 2 daughters of yours all by yourself
She was scared, she is just a house wife, and agreed
The pain was so much, that she allowed him back to the vagina... which was the plan all along... which produced 2 more kids, 2 boys
My aunt then got hit with MS, and slowly she is deteriorating, becoming a prisoner in her own body
One of my uncle friends told me why uncle was forcing for more babies"
My other uncle had 4 boys and 1 girl, so this uncle couldn't have that, you know competition/inferiority, only have 2 girls and no boys to carry your fucking name
Now he has grown this huge ass beard and become this fake-ass Muslim who believes in god and is repenting for his sins, while enjoying the paychecks his wife gets and those checks from the kids

FUCK HIM, can't believe my blood has anything to do with him, I rather blood transfuse all my blood out nothing to do with that fucking asshole

I grew up with a desi mother, so I know how desi women are treated
One thing my mom has taught me that I will never ever forget, "Underneath every Mother/Female is Janat (Heaven), always be respectful of them, never hit them/curse at them/force them into anything, they're the bearers of life, always love them"

[speculawyer]

There was a documentary film on this matter called Saving Face, Directed by Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saving_Face_(2012_film) The film won an academy award. The film's trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWrk-brFCrY Also, people must consider that Pakistan is a very tribal country, where the the justice system is quite inept. If you don't have money for bribes, your case will rarely see any light. It is one of the reason's why Sharia Law is popular in the northern regions, simply because it is cheap and "justice" is handed down swiftly. If anyone would like to better understand the country I would recommend this book. Pakistan : A Hard Country, by Anatol Lieven Book Description:

I worry about Pakistan becoming a failed state. They've got an ungovernable northwest region, they have an insurgence with the Pakistani Taliban, they are going to be getting less aid from the US as the Afghan war winds down, they get hit by natural disaster such as floods, there is a culture of conspiracy theories (mostly about India, the USA, Israel, etc.), etc. Oh . . . and did I mention they have nuclear weapons? :-/

Ahmed Rashid, my go-to guy on Pakistan, has his latest book titled "Pakistan on the Brink: The Future of America, Pakistan, and Afghanistan" where he seems to think the place is headed for trouble. :-(

[Nemesis121]

Fucking depressing. I hate humanity

This sums up how i feel...

[Emerson]

yeah i know, the poster seemed to be suggesting that these kinds of attacks are a cultural problem when theres no evidence to suggest they are. the husband was in my opinion insecure and took his insecurity to an extreme, but cases like these aren't exclusive to pakistan or one culture/ethnic group. his obsession about her beauty was more out of fear that she'd leave him or that she would receive unwanted attention and 'play away'.

What are you talking about? Of course it's a cultural problem.

It is obvious to all those who want to be honest about it that a lot of middle-eastern and eastern cultures have seriously warped beliefs and attitudes towards women. People like to refute it by saying "not everyone who's Muslim/from _____" believes this way, which is a straw man argument. Of course they don't. But many do, and it's disingenuous to act like some cultures don't treat women more poorly on the whole than western culture does. This is not to say we're perfect, or even in any way inherently superior. But at least we don't have endemic acid-throwing (which sickens me that it even has a term and its own Wikipedia page).

As was cited earlier, there were 8,500 acid attacks last year in Pakistan. I couldn't find that statistic in the USA (probably because it doesn't happen), but I'd gladly eat my entire hat collection if someone showed me a comparable number.

[-COOLIO-]

Whenever I read about these jackasses throwing acid on woman, a part of me thinks, "Is an eye for an eye really that wrong, in this situation?"

in these cases it's totally justified

[~Devil Trigger~]

A Strong female spokesperson? She was a scumbag. Well, the former foreign minister of Pakistan is a woman, Hina Rabbani Khar: But I bet she got the position just because of her parent's contacts rather than earning it.

Her Cousin threw acid on his wife too

I think its in the courts now


...small country eh.

[Farooq]

I worry about Pakistan becoming a failed state. They've got an ungovernable northwest region, they have an insurgence with the Pakistani Taliban, they are going to be getting less aid from the US as the Afghan war winds down, they get hit by natural disaster such as floods, there is a culture of conspiracy theories (mostly about India, the USA, Israel, etc.), etc. Oh . . . and did I mention they have nuclear weapons? :-/ Ahmed Rashid, my go-to guy on Pakistan, has his latest book titled "Pakistan on the Brink: The Future of America, Pakistan, and Afghanistan" where he seems to think the place is headed for trouble. :-(

The future is not pretty for Pakistan. I think it can weather the insurgency, but what it cannot weather is the future ecological problems that the country will be facing.

It will soon have a population of 300 million, that combined with a water shortage which, with global warming is bound to get worse really spells disaster for the region.

But that is another topic, this thread should be about the structural and cultural inequalities of women in Pakistan.

It doesn't matter that they had a female president. To be honest, South Asia has a history of being governed by family dynasties. Benazir was helped by her last name more than anything. This is a real issue in Pakistan, and it has to be addressed.

[diarrhea_pangs]

Desi men from the rural areas and just the nature of them is really fucked up There's a reason why women are held back, not educated, not be equal, and be subordinates/slaves I have seen it my own eyes in my family: My uncle was told by the doctors, no more babies for him and his wife after baby #2 There was a huge chance due to some reason his wife might get MS due to child birth or some shit like that So she started pushing him away, to stay alive, he FORCED her to have sex, she pressed charges, he got thrown-in jail for a few days, but my sly grandmother talked my aunt out of pressing charges, so she dropped it Then after a few months, he started having anal sex with her, due to him giving her ultimatum, let me in or I leave and you raise those 2 daughters of yours all by yourself She was scared, she is just a house wife, and agreed The pain was so much, that she allowed him back to the vagina... which was the plan all along... which produced 2 more kids, 2 boys My aunt then got hit with MS, and slowly she is deteriorating, becoming a prisoner in her own body One of my uncle friends told me why uncle was forcing for more babies" My other uncle had 4 boys and 1 girl, so this uncle couldn't have that, you know competition/inferiority, only have 2 girls and no boys to carry your fucking name Now he has grown this huge ass beard and become this fake-ass Muslim who believes in god and is repenting for his sins, while enjoying the paychecks his wife gets and those checks from the kids FUCK HIM, can't believe my blood has anything to do with him, I rather blood transfuse all my blood out nothing to do with that fucking asshole I grew up with a desi mother, so I know how desi women are treated One thing my mom has taught me that I will never ever forget, "Underneath every Mother/Female is Janat (Heaven), always be respectful of them, never hit them/curse at them/force them into anything, they're the bearers of life, always love them"

Holy Fuck! this is harrowing, Can't someone in your family stand up to him? to save the poor woman's life. I hope she finds peace and refuge from this animal.

[Dyno]

Some related reading about how women are treated in the Middle East. It's basically something of an epidemic.

Why Do They Hate Us?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...te_us?page=0,0