[BeesEight]

I'd be totally excited for a Lumi/LD or Lumi/Nebu1a TI2.

Then our games can be called over by the fifteen mark!

Not a huge fan of Luminous. I find he's pretty negative during his casts and his knowledge is a little out of date since it seems he's mostly stayed in the Dota 1 scene. Last time I watched him cast he was really surprised by very standard picks and bans.

[hamchan]

It only takes one second to sit and figure out when something is a bad idea, if he couldn't figure that out by the time he typed it out for the world to see, he is either A. a really fast typist B. A complete dumbass with the worst judgement C. A racist prick. I'm going with B. I don't care if he's nice or if he "meant" it in a certain way or not. He's a public figure and you know when things have meaning to certain people. He used it, now he gets to deal with the outcry and punishment. I wouldn't mind seeing him not cast the TI 2 now.

The outcry has already been dealt with. The punishment was the initial outcry I guess, no need for more. He already apologized. The topic on reddit died really quickly too. It's a bit disappointing to see it dragged back up on GAF when it seems the rest of the community moved on already.

[JustinBB7]

Then our games can be called over by the fifteen mark! Not a huge fan of Luminous. I find he's pretty negative during his casts and his knowledge is a little out of date since it seems he's mostly stayed in the Dota 1 scene. Last time I watched him cast he was really surprised by very standard picks and bans.

Yea Lumi is pretty bad, seems like a nice guy, but really don't like his casting. Barely gets any views as well on dailymotion. Views wise Tobi always gets the most. Purge came close once during the starladder final I believe, but that was only close to normal Tobi numbers.

Think the defense had like 30k viewers, Purge or Lumi are happy with 5000. It's pretty obvious who people wanna see.

[HK-47]

Then our games can be called over by the fifteen mark! Not a huge fan of Luminous. I find he's pretty negative during his casts and his knowledge is a little out of date since it seems he's mostly stayed in the Dota 1 scene. Last time I watched him cast he was really surprised by very standard picks and bans.

Actually thats why I like him. Cause he actually has knowledge of how the asian teams pick and ban. Often the casters that only know the Euro scene are surprised by either how the asians pick or by metagame shifts that the europeans picked up from the chinese.

Also I never thought the DC guys were too negative. If anything Tobi is too positive.

[Hylian7]

I tried Treant Protector for the first time today. Usually my jumping off point for figuring out item builds is looking at where the Valve-recommended build is wrong or slightly less than optimal. Would I be correct in saying that Blink Dagger is actually core on him?

[Haly]

He has less need of blink dagger because of his invis skill, allows for quite a bit of freedom regarding positioning as long as they don't get wards and whatnot.

[SteveWinwood]

Man, seeing people get all worked up over that comment reminds me of how thin-skinned some people are. If you're actually offended by what Tobi said I truly feel bad for you. Using a racial slur does not necessarily make you a racist. And in this case it doesn't even look like he directed it at anyone. Am I safe to assume that people in this thread getting all worked up over the word don't listen to rap music? Because if you did I'd imagine it would bring you to tears. Lighten up ffs. People mess up, and if you're not capable of forgiveness I think it's pathetic. This guy obviously does not make a habit of this behaviour, so why bother pushing the issue. This also has nothing to do with his casting, since he typed it in a game that he was not personally broadcasting, so why the hell should Valve drop him?

I'm not offended. At all. I just have no pity for anyone who says something like that and then gets backlash. You reap what you sow.

But whatevs, looks like everyone wants to move on.

[SamVimes]

Then our games can be called over by the fifteen mark! Not a huge fan of Luminous. I find he's pretty negative during his casts and his knowledge is a little out of date since it seems he's mostly stayed in the Dota 1 scene. Last time I watched him cast he was really surprised by very standard picks and bans.

At least he's the only caster that has the balls to say outright if someone made a mistake, while Tobi will mostly utter uh-uh if the pro that is casting with him point that out.

[Corky]

fucking shit spiritbreaker, anyone know why he is bugged? His charge cancels by itelsf and it's driving me absolutely nuts.


GOD FUCKING DAMNIT I'M GOING INSANE WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING

[Sanjay]

Comewithme out of Darer, shame he was a quality player.

[BeesEight]

Actually thats why I like him. Cause he actually has knowledge of how the asian teams pick and ban. Often the casters that only know the Euro scene are surprised by either how the asians pick or by metagame shifts that the europeans picked up from the chinese. Also I never thought the DC guys were too negative. If anything Tobi is too positive.

This is true. It's one thing I appreciate when Slesh co-commentates is the insight he provides from that scene. Though, Tobi does do some casting for some SEA tournaments so has a bit of knowledge of their choices. But considering that a lot of the Asian scene has remained in Dota 1 it does make sense.

At least he's the only caster that has the balls to say outright if someone made a mistake, while Tobi will mostly utter uh-uh if the pro that is casting with him point that out.

I think there's a line you can take between pointing out flaws and respectfully commentating. It's a little odd for a commentator to say that a top player is playing "horribly" when they are only making some small mistakes. No one plays perfectly and constantly rattling on people that play far better than you is not entertaining to me. But I'm hardly a Tobi fanboy - I personally would rather listen to Synderen commentate a whole game since I prefer having that strategic insight coupled with fun but respectful play-by-plays.

But to each their own. Not everyone is going to like the same person.

[Gully State]

Comewithme out of Darer, shame he was a quality player.

Darer must be really confident that they'll get an international invite. I don't get this move either since they have been playing incredibly well since the roster shakeup.

[Schweinehund]

Meepo best be this week.



I'd drape myself in that like buffalo bill.

[Deadly]

Darer must be really confident that they'll get an international invite. I don't get this move either since they have been playing incredibly well since the roster shakeup.

At this rate, will they? They've been having quite the unstable lineup lately...

[Conceptor]

Need to catch those EHOME/DK vods.

DotaCinema Weekly E12 is out too - http://youtu.be/geTXvEsWxo4

[Bo]

CLG versus POTM, Ayesee casting: http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/571-its-gosu

[ksan]

CLG versus POTM, Ayesee casting: http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/571-its-gosu

CLG going Chinese style, that matchup looks like they really want to take it slow and safe, while PotM bottom has that insane aoe which should be really exciting to watch.
PB played really well game one, so Lacoste really gotta step up for CLG to have any chance.
Maybe PB can pull off another upset? They seem to be really tight at least, and it was really impressive when they got the win off Quantic.

[Bo]

Yeah, really interesting team lineups here. Haven't seen a ton of Dragon Knight and Shadow Fiend play lately!

Gotta feel for that Dark Seer, must be piss-annoying to have to face up against that Enchantress so often. Ion Shell is significantly less useful when she turns the creep and pulls it off the wave.

- CLG really showing the strength of their draft in particular. Only one stun among them, but they have tons of pushing power, can tank a lot of damage by way of Dragon Knight and Enchantress' healing, and have a ton of DPS by way of Enchantress' Impetus and Death Prophet's Excorcism. If DK gets more farm, POTM are in serious trouble.

[ksan]

Yeah, really interesting team lineups here. Haven't seen a ton of Dragon Knight and Shadow Fiend play lately! Gotta feel for that Dark Seer, must be piss-annoying to have to face up against that Enchantress so often. Ion Shell is significantly less useful when she turns the creep and pulls it off the wave. - CLG really showing the strength of their draft in particular. Only one stun among them, but they have tons of pushing power, can tank a lot of damage by way of Dragon Knight and Enchantress' healing, and have a ton of DPS by way of Enchantress' Impetus and Death Prophet's Excorcism. If DK gets more farm, POTM are in serious trouble.

Yep, and that definitely shows that they think that PB is a force to be reckoned with!
Very good execution so far by CLG this game, they really show how good it can be to play a safer match up where you can force mistakes from an opponent that relies heavily on setups.

[Uriah]

Dat DK midas

[Bo]

Game 3 draft starting up at aforementioned stream.

[Uriah]

Why is Ursa rarely picked in pro games?

[Bo]

Ancient Apparation, aw yiss! Been a while.

I'm going to guess this'll be a pushing carry-esque Juggernaut? Healing ward for the wave, maybe a Vlad's?

Why is Ursa rarely picked in pro games?

Easy to kite and lock down, really needs a Blink Dagger and a BKB to be self-sufficient in teamfights and the like.

[ksan]

I'm afraid that PB picked good heroes instead of a good matchup, but then again CLG picked jugger without loda in the squad...
Might be wrong though, maybe they know what they want to do with those heroes except vacuum black holeing.

[Gully State]

Why is Ursa rarely picked in pro games?

Supremely one dimensional. In team play where there's coordination, he's easily mitigated.

[Bo]

That Heaven's Halberd choice is pretty good on Dragon Knight. Nice chunk of added health, it's like sitting on a Demon's Edge in terms of damage, and the evasion and the Disarm are priceless against the Juggernaut. Serves as a great base from which to build a Mjollnir on (DPS, attack speed, more pushing power), especially given it allows DK to pump damage into a teamfight even while stunned. The BKB was forgone, but I think he made perfect item choices in its stead.

Great series, this is one worth watching later. POTM put on an impressive show.

[ksan]

I didn't really like the DK draft at all, it didn't contribute to to the team setup especially well, and AA wasn't an amazing pick either. They could have gotten a semi-carry that could have controlled the game more (along the lines of ns or slardar) when they had invoker anyways, that would have made their team fights so incredibly strong.

But the Jugger pick proved to be awful as I would have thought, it's just an awful hero, you need infinity gold to make items and the only good thing about the hero is that you will get two towers pushed quickly if you do a good tri-lane.

edit: oh and ye, regardless of picks POTM outplayed CLG game 1 and 3, which was the main reason they won

[Bo]

The DK pick definitely seemed a bit preemptive, though I think POTM made due with him admirably and were able to get him into a position where he could help burst down important targets (like Juggernaut in the Black Holes). A Night Stalker or Slardar definitely could have raised hell earlier and exerted a lot more control over the early and midgames, though I think the AA pick was more problematic. He was just kinda... there, few of his ultimates landed with the way the fights broke up and gave way into chases. Something like a Vengeful Spirit or Crystal Maiden might have been a bit more successful.

[Tenck]

Really needs to be a concede option. Just played a game where everyone was playing with 250+ ping (a few exceptions like me with 178) and it was not fun at all. Either Valve needs to fix shitty servers or add a damn concede button. No one wanted an abandon on their record, so we played for what seemed like forever.

And I played on US West, where I get around 20 ping every time.



Here's the screenshot, in all 1200p glory.

Ping is top right.

[Procarbine]

But the Jugger pick proved to be awful as I would have thought, it's just an awful hero, you need infinity gold to make items and the only good thing about the hero is that you will get two towers pushed quickly if you do a good tri-lane.

No way bro. Solomid4lyfe

[Hylian7]

Really needs to be a concede option. Just played a game where everyone was playing with 250+ ping (a few exceptions like me with 178) and it was not fun at all. Either Valve needs to fix shitty servers or add a damn concede button. No one wanted an abandon on their record, so we played for what seemed like forever. And I played on US West, where I get around 20 ping every time. Here's the screenshot, in all 1200p glory. Ping is top right.

What's the console command to make only ping and packet loss show up there?

[Tenck]

What's the console command to make only ping and packet loss show up there?

It's actually a chat command. Just type -ping and it will show up for like 10 seconds.

Also to add to my above post, server would constantly spike to 400+ ping, so sometimes characters would be frozen in place for like 5 seconds. Was awful.

[Hylian7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpzmo...ature=youtu.be

This was actually completely unintentional, but I was amazed that I pulled it off.

[bishoptl]

Considering the very nature of the game and the community, I don't see why anyone's making a big fuss out of it. Just shows that when temper is lost, he's like any of us. And the use of that word, and being offended by it, is really that much more outraging than any other slur, really.

oh yeah

What's the context? And is that an actual expression? It would take the sting out of it a little, though he really should have been smart enough to not say it in the first place.

who fucking cares what the context is?

Someone was kind enough to gift me the DOTA 2 beta and having someone in an official capacity take the time and effort to type

lame as a niggers baby

and hit Enter, it's pathetic. If you want to act as an apologist for that, the same goes for you. For you and the rest of your ilk, feel free to get over your bans in whatever way you choose.

[Bo]

This community has a lot of growing up to do, that's for damned sure.

[Swag]

Aw man, lol.

Treant Protector looks cool.

[Tenck]

So I was watching Longdd play some Lone Druid, and I noticed he didn't go Radiance. He went Abyssal Blade, BKB, Treads, Vlads, Sange and Yasha, and two hand of Midas.

Why wouldn't he have gone Radiance? He could have definitely got it, seeing as his GPM was 800+.

[Swag]

Radiance is not always a necessity, if you can put pressure on the lanes and heroes in other ways you can go a more personal DPS oriented build. Also if you want to be more effective earlier, radiance takes a lot longer to build then SnY etc.

[Tenck]

Radiance is not always a necessity, if you can put pressure on the lanes and heroes in other ways you can go a more personal DPS oriented build. Also if you want to be more effective earlier, radiance takes a lot longer to build then SnY etc.

Thanks for the real quick reply.

And yeah, dude was out of the jungle pretty fast after he got Vlads, and he was just taking towers and he had some really nice kills.

Final score was 14/1/something.

[yeildrikk]

Stumbled across Outworld Destroyer in a single draft match the other day. Holy Crap. He's unstoppable. Squishy, but unstoppable. Past lvl 7 he pretty much has infinite mana. Lategame, with the right items, I'm doing more than 200 pure damage per hit. And teaming with Lina or another mana-heavy caster, he just fuels destruction on everyone.

[Swag]

Stumbled across Outworld Destroyer in a single draft match the other day. Holy Crap. He's unstoppable. Squishy, but unstoppable. Past lvl 7 he pretty much has infinite mana

He requires a really good start in order to do well, and even if he does, once the enemy team gets magic immunity he becomes really useless, that being said his aura is really good on a team full of spell casters, and his ultimate is devastating if you can farm enough intelligence difference between yourself and your enemies. Next time you play him try getting a refresher for really fun times, can wipe an entire team using both ultimates.

[SteveWD40]

So, got the beta.

This is by far the most intimidating game I have ever seen, I have raided in high end MMO's and done it well but this is just something else. I am watching / reading guides but still finding the amount of info out there terrifying. The fact that the community is both really far ahead and merciless isn't helping.

Going to play with bots for about a month until I have a clue.

[SamVimes]

To solo mids/junglers everywhere:

after you fail a gank (or even if you succeed) on safe lane nuking the creepwave is a terrible idea

thanks, carry players.

[evlcookie]

Is there an item list around that goes beyond the suggested in game?

The issue I personally have is that there are all these items in game and it always feels like the suggested items per character is slightly off? Some of the time it feels like arcane boots are better than treads but I don't think i've ever really seen it sitting in the suggested side so I always forget it exists. Especially if i'm having mana issues and want that little boost but by the time I go, oh shit arcane boots, i've already made my treads and working towards something else.

Odd, Someone must have been thinking the same thing since there's now a reddit post about it. Hopefully comments in there can help me out!

[Phandy]

To solo mids/junglers everywhere: after you fail a gank (or even if you succeed) on safe lane nuking the creepwave is a terrible idea thanks, carry players.

People nuking lanes that you have nicely pulled up and stable is one of my biggest fucking annoyances.

People are so short sighted when they see a lane and just nuke it for the quick gold. I mean, who would want a consistently pulled up safe lane to free farm in, right?

[Riverfield]

Is there an item list around that goes beyond the suggested in game? The issue I personally have is that there are all these items in game and it always feels like the suggested items per character is slightly off? Some of the time it feels like arcane boots are better than treads but I don't think i've ever really seen it sitting in the suggested side so I always forget it exists. Especially if i'm having mana issues and want that little boost but by the time I go, oh shit arcane boots, i've already made my treads and working towards something else. Odd, Someone must have been thinking the same thing since there's now a reddit post about it. Hopefully comments in there can help me out!

Playdota guides a safe place to look if you feel like you're still pretty dependent on suggested items. The OP has links to em if you click on the portraits. Also in case you didn't know you can modify the default item builds for each hero.

[BeesEight]

To solo mids/junglers everywhere: after you fail a gank (or even if you succeed) on safe lane nuking the creepwave is a terrible idea thanks, carry players.

What if you're trying to transition the gank to a push? Its also annoying when your team just sits back and farms the entire time against a team that has better late game potential. Or when you're Nightstalker and they never want to push during the night and only during the day.

[ksan]

To solo mids/junglers everywhere: after you fail a gank (or even if you succeed) on safe lane nuking the creepwave is a terrible idea thanks, carry players.

Extremely important advice, and a similar thing could be said to supports on the lane.
If you are supporting a carry that's trying to keep the creep equilibrium, be careful with how you harass. If you're badly positioned you might pull all the enemy creeps after right clicking your opponent which will cause the creeps to attack you instead of your creep wave, this results in your lane getting pushed.
The most annoying type of support (regardless of intentions) just right clicks the opponent and then cancels half of the attacks anyway repeatedly without realizing the consequences of their actions.

What if you're trying to transition the gank to a push? Its also annoying when your team just sits back and farms the entire time against a team that has better late game potential. Or when you're Nightstalker and they never want to push during the night and only during the day.

I'm pretty sure that he refers to situations where the carry wants to be farming and the ganker just nukes one wave and returns back to his lane.
And I feel like that in most situations it wouldn't be too good of an idea to transition into pushing the lane after a *failed* gank. :d

[SamVimes]

What if you're trying to transition the gank to a push? Its also annoying when your team just sits back and farms the entire time against a team that has better late game potential. Or when you're Nightstalker and they never want to push during the night and only during the day.

If on that lane you have an hard carry unless you're running a push strat (and then you don't stop at T1) it would be better if you didn't push early on (at least 10 minutes), because unless the enemy team is really stupid until they decide to take your tier 1 you have no place to farm and in the long run it fucks you over.

I mean the other day i was AM with a Shadow Demon support, i'm playing already against a really difficult lane (Veno-Tide both maxing slow) then the fucking Windrunner comes to gank, misses shackle, misses powershot , uses the last bit of mana to powershot the creepwave, tries to get every single last hit and THEN goes back mid. Obviously my farm is gonna be shit.

[BeesEight]

I'm pretty sure that he refers to situations where the carry wants to be farming and the ganker just nukes one wave and returns back to his lane. And I feel like that in most situations it wouldn't be too good of an idea to transition into pushing the lane after a *failed* gank. :d

Hah, fair enough. I was more thinking when the gank was successful over a failed one. I also don't understand why someone would just clear a lane and then leave and the only time I would do that is when I would be trying for the tower afterwards.

If on that lane you have an hard carry unless you're running a push strat (and then you don't stop at T1) it would be better if you didn't push early on (at least 10 minutes), because unless the enemy team is really stupid until they decide to take your tier 1 you have no place to farm and in the long run it fucks you over. I mean the other day i was AM with a Shadow Demon support, i'm playing already against a really difficult lane (Veno-Tide both maxing slow) then the fucking Windrunner comes to gank, misses shackle, misses powershot , uses the last bit of mana to powershot the creepwave, tries to get every single last hit and THEN goes back mid. Obviously my farm is gonna be shit.

I'm not sure I understand the first paragraph. How is pushing early going to screw you over in the long run? I thought getting towers before your opponents granted you a significant gold advantage as well as apply more pressure on them and gain you more map control?

As for the second - yeah, that's dumb. It's really annoying when people don't realize there's a farm order on teams.