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ksan · (05-25-2012, 01:37 PM)

Shiiit, it's on!

Zenith (with L-God, Loda or Kelly Milkies' current victim, whatever you wanna call him) vs MiTH-Trust

Sanjay · (05-25-2012, 01:56 PM)

ComeWithMe added to Mousesports team.
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/3140...ith-comewithme

Mouse looking real strong now.

ksan · (05-25-2012, 02:10 PM)

That was just ridiculous...

Originally Posted by Sanjay:

ComeWithMe added to Mousesports team.
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/3140...ith-comewithme

Mouse looking real strong now.

Yep CWM is a really good support, I'm glad that he gets to play the role he should play in mouz too, seems to working out really really well.

Train of Midnight · (05-25-2012, 02:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Sanjay:

ComeWithMe added to Mousesports team.
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/3140...ith-comewithme

Mouse looking real strong now.

Definitely my favorite team. Glad to see they picked him up, he's quite skilled.

injurai · (05-25-2012, 02:30 PM)

I have a feeling the UI will still go through some iterations before launch.

Exuro · (05-25-2012, 02:31 PM)

Cyborgmatt posted a few changes you can make to the hero picker. The legacy mode looks pretty useful/familiar(even if it's stretching over chat).

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?...843#post220843

Sanjay · (05-25-2012, 02:48 PM)

Who are AEON? look like a really good team. Great drafting as well.

Uriah · (05-25-2012, 03:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Milabrega:

When in grid view during picking phase you can't see which heroes your team mates have highlighted in this new ui.

This is the worst thing about the UI.

Archie · (05-25-2012, 03:35 PM)

Actually I take back what I said about the dashboard. Aesthetically, it is gorgeous, but it is a huge step back functionally. It looks more like BNet 2 now which isn't a good thing.

ksan · (05-25-2012, 03:39 PM)

Zenith vs. Ehome coming up next on tobi's stream

Exuro · 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by ksan:

Zenith vs. Ehome coming up next on tobi's stream

Stream is choppy as hell for me : /

Originally Posted by Archie:

Actually I take back what I said about the dashboard. Aesthetically, it is gorgeous, but it is a huge step back functionally. It looks more like BNet 2 now which isn't a good thing.

I disagree. This UI has the potential to have more functionality and content once they get the web content finished. Viewable hero guides, tournament pages, ect in both the dashboard and website.

Earthstrike · (05-25-2012, 04:23 PM)

So, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the benefit of the scepter on Ogre Magi. If it simply swaps fireblast with unrefined fireblast, which deals the same damage as rank 4 of fireblast anyways, then why would you ever grab it? Doesn't multicast proc the current level of your skill?

Tenck · (05-25-2012, 04:31 PM)

Originally Posted by Earthstrike:

So, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the benefit of the scepter on Ogre Magi. If it simply swaps fireblast with unrefined fireblast, which deals the same damage as rank 4 of fireblast anyways, then why would you ever grab it? Doesn't multicast proc the current level of your skill?

Don't you get both fire blasts?

Archie · 04:36 PM

Really liking this Midas pickup on Enchantress. It totally shuts down Chen.

Originally Posted by Earthstrike:

So, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the benefit of the scepter on Ogre Magi. If it simply swaps fireblast with unrefined fireblast, which deals the same damage as rank 4 of fireblast anyways, then why would you ever grab it? Doesn't multicast proc the current level of your skill?

It doesn't replace Fireblast, but gives you another one.

Earthstrike · (05-25-2012, 04:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Archie:

Really liking this Midas pickup on Enchantress. It totally shuts down Chen.

It doesn't replace Fireblast, but gives you another one.

OOOHH, so you can burst by going fireblast that procs multicast, ANOTHER fireblast that procs multicast, meaning you can do an 5 or 6 hit combo with fireblasts on one person, or just burst down two people.

Tenck · (05-25-2012, 04:49 PM)

Originally Posted by Earthstrike:

OOOHH, so you can burst by going fireblast that procs multicast, ANOTHER fireblast that procs multicast, meaning you can do an 5 or 6 hit combo with fireblasts on one person, or just burst down two people.

Both will proc your ultimate. So you should be mowing down people if you get a bunch of multi cast.

Archie · (05-25-2012, 04:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Earthstrike:

OOOHH, so you can burst by going fireblast that procs multicast, ANOTHER fireblast that procs multicast, meaning you can do an 5 or 6 hit combo with fireblasts on one person, or just burst down two people.

Pretty much. If you're pro you can get a x8 multicast.

Archie · (05-25-2012, 05:11 PM)

EG, Zenith, Darer and LGD are going to The International.

Gully State · (05-25-2012, 05:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Archie:

EG, Zenith, Darer and LGD are going to The International.

So much for stable rosters talk...I'm glad that Darer got in though...

ksan · (05-25-2012, 05:17 PM)

I'm glad they finally invited the best team

Ikuu · (05-25-2012, 05:37 PM)

Mouz and MTW for the final two spots maybe, still missing Quantic and Keita if you go by the GG rankings.

Deadly · (05-25-2012, 05:42 PM)

Quantic seems like a good bet skill-wise. Haven't they been doing rather well in alot of tournaments lately? But they might not be considered due to just getting the sponsorship not long ago.

Archie · (05-25-2012, 05:42 PM)

Valve is really gunning for the Chinese market. Only EHOME and DK deserve to be invited imo.

ksan · (05-25-2012, 05:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Ikuu:

Mouz and MTW for the final two spots maybe, still missing Quantic and Keita if you go by the GG rankings.

These would be the most reasonable for the European fan base... The problem is that you miss out teams like MiTH.Trust/MUFC/Mineski which could be important for SEA.
Especially not sending a pinoy team would be akin to removing bottle crowing from Dota, it would be very harsh on them and could potentially hurt the interest in Dota 2 there.

Originally Posted by Archie:

Valve is really gunning for the Chinese market. Only EHOME and DK deserve to be invited imo.

But the Chinese wouldn't feel at home with a Dota without LGDs 3 hour and 94 minute games of turtling

Exuro · 05:52 PM

I haven't really seen Darer do anything great lately. Really want to see Mouz get in, they've been awesome in there last set of matches. Quantic has been doing really well too. I think these two deserve spots before Darer.

Ikuu · (05-25-2012, 05:54 PM)

Originally Posted by ksan:

These would be the most reasonable for the European fan base... The problem is that you miss out teams like MiTH.Trust/MUFC/Mineski which could be important for SEA.
Especially not sending a pinoy team would be akin to removing bottle crowing from Dota, it would be very harsh on them and could potentially hurt the interest in Dota 2 there.

Might get 1 Euro and a SEA team then, hopefully they announce how the wild card spots are being handled soon.

ksan · (05-25-2012, 05:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Exuro:

I haven't really seen Darer do anything great lately. Really want to see Mouz get in, they've been awesome in there last set of matches.

Watch some old DTS vods, they are fucking insane. Extremely fun to watch and a very individual skill levels.
With ArtStyle it's even better, he likes those weird hero picks too which didn't work out too well with some of the players with more conservative playstyles (NS would be a good example, still one of the best traditional supports in Dota ever)

Exuro · (05-25-2012, 05:57 PM)

Originally Posted by ksan:

Watch some old DTS vods, they are fucking insane. Extremely fun to watch and a very individual skill levels.
With ArtStyle it's even better, he likes those weird hero picks too which didn't work out too well with some of the players with more conservative play styles (NS would be a good example, one of the best traditional supports in Dota ever)

Yeah, I didn't think about their current roster. There older roster iterations haven't been able to pump out anything impressive. Any vods of new Darer? Haven't seen them with their DTS members.

ksan · (05-25-2012, 06:03 PM)

Originally Posted by Exuro:

Yeah, I didn't think about their current roster. There older roster iterations haven't been able to pump out anything impressive. Any vods of new Darer? Haven't seen them with their DTS members.

IIRC I found this game to be kinda impressive, was one of their first games with the new roster. While they made some mistakes at times they showed very good team coordination and they also picked some of my favorite heroes :p (though nothing insane like the Clinkz which DTS brought back alive in competitive play)

Darer vs. Virtus.pro

Otherwise you can search for vods here

throwawayname · (05-25-2012, 06:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Exuro:

Yeah, I didn't think about their current roster. There older roster iterations haven't been able to pump out anything impressive. Any vods of new Darer? Haven't seen them with their DTS members.

You can see them live in some minutes vs EG

Ikuu · (05-25-2012, 06:04 PM)

Also have to realize that playing on LAN is totally different, and they're going to invite teams that help push the game in certain regions and provide interesting drama.

SamVimes · (05-25-2012, 06:07 PM)

I don't see any reason to invite a team that has played maybe 1-2 official games.

ksan · (05-25-2012, 06:07 PM)

Originally Posted by Ikuu:

Also have to realize that playing on LAN is totally different, and they're going to invite teams that help push the game in certain regions and provide interesting drama.

aL has been underperforming lately, but there is no doubt that they were very good at their best
I heard they were gonna bootcamp in the US for a couple of weeks before, and after that and with better pings, who knows how they're gonna perform!
(this is also a reason I would have wanted to see next.kz going...)

Originally Posted by SamVimes:

I don't see any reason to invite a team that has played maybe 1-2 official games.

Then again the guy capping DID win the last international :p
and I'm gonna be happy regardless, deserved or not, you can't take away the fact that a lot of people find their games to be some of the most entertaining

Ikuu · (05-25-2012, 06:09 PM)

I thought Next.kz got dropped by their sponsor, or did that not happen.

ksan · 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ikuu:

I thought Next.kz got dropped by their sponsor, or did that not happen.

I don't think anyone knows anymore... While they did get dropped, I have no idea if they're sponsored by them now again...

edit: wow so apparently mTw vs. Keita was live on Sheever's stream and it seems like Keita is delivering quite a smackdown :o or are mTw pulling back o0

BeesEight · (05-25-2012, 06:14 PM)

Originally Posted by ksan:

aL has been underperforming lately, but there is no doubt that they were very good at their best
I heard they were gonna bootcamp in the US for a couple of weeks before, and after that and with better pings, who knows how they're gonna perform!
(this is also a reason I would have wanted to see next.kz going...)

Yeah, I agree with this. I'm not really feeling the LGD invite. I can't recall seeing them in any Dota 2 tournaments and it seems they already had the top three Chinese teams. I would have much preferred Next.kz.

Haven't been a huge Darer fan either. Hopefully Mouz and mtw get the final slots.

Gully State · (05-25-2012, 06:17 PM)

I'd love to find out how these teams train for the international. What kind of drills do they do? What types of encounters do they practice for? etc...

Milabrega · 06:21 PM

coL, iG and lgd all scream of a marketing decision and not performance, though the IV2 is a marketing event so I guess that's the point. Pushes those Chinese teams to get into Dota 2. Last two spots I would think end up being Mouz and Quantic. Hopefully Duskbin makes it in through the East Qualifiers. West Qualifiers should be good, MTW, next.kz, VP, Infused, M5 and a host of others.

ksan · 06:22 PM

Are you fucking kidding me? I'm missing Zenith vs. DK?

With FVOID xD

best team showing that they're the best team

edit: wow just wow

Exuro · (05-25-2012, 06:21 PM)

Holy crap, that CM/ES combo from Zenith. D:

Bo · (05-25-2012, 06:25 PM)

Cotdamn at Zenith's play. Every single hero, down to the Crystal Maiden made huge contributions for teamfights. That CM bait and double-back with the Force Staff, goddamn that is presence of mind typified.

EG versus Darer into the draft: http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/571-its-gosu

n0b · (05-25-2012, 07:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Milabrega:

coL, iG and lgd all scream of a marketing decision and not performance, though the IV2 is a marketing event so I guess that's the point. Pushes those Chinese teams to get into Dota 2. Last two spots I would think end up being Mouz and Quantic. Hopefully Duskbin makes it in through the East Qualifiers. West Qualifiers should be good, MTW, next.kz, VP, Infused, M5 and a host of others.

coL a marketing decision? What the hell are you talking about? They have a 79% winrate, second only to Na'Vi in the euro/na scene. They've had some bad points, but are definitely a stable top level team.

iG and LGD are the two best DOTA1 teams after DK, and yes those three are all a bit new to DOTA2, but they are stable rosters and big name teams so they have plenty of time to bootcamp in order to get used to the engine and practice strategies, instead of having to spend all the time just building up trust and team chemistry.

Honestly I'd say Darer getting an invite is the biggest insult to the competetive dota scene. They're just cannibalizing other teams and playing incredibly inconsistently. Its pretty much Artstyle + G and then if the new players don't work we'll just grab up people from some other team.

Quantic is the last stable and high performing team left, so I would be surprised if they don't get an invite. mTw and Mouz have returned to form with their new rosters so I would love to see either of them in as well.

The only problem right now is if the qualifiers are really one euro and one asia, pretty much all the asian teams that should be invited are in, whereas there are easily 4 more strong teams to come in from the Euro/NA scene.

Baha · (05-25-2012, 07:37 PM)

Speaking of Darer, they are taking a spanking from eG atm.

[edit] might've spoken too early, things are starting to even up.

n0b · 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Baha:

Speaking of Darer, they are taking a spanking from eG atm.

[edit] might've spoken too early, things are starting to even up.

Nah, they are still WAY behind. Radiance this early on druid is dangerous.

Edit: And thats why. No way EG should have won with that initiation from Darer, but EG is so far ahead that they could; QOP had buyback, Druid had radiance and enough health to just survive.

orangecaramel · (05-25-2012, 07:49 PM)

daamn, eg on point today

DSix · (05-25-2012, 07:50 PM)

That new hero picker is a piece of unusable shit.

n0b · (05-25-2012, 07:57 PM)

Artstyle ragequit LAWL BETTER THROW EVERYONE OUT GET NEW TEAMMATES

raphier · 10:24 PM

ugh, just tested this. I can't get over how bad the new avatars look like. What happened to texture quality? If this is an indication due Free-2-Play, then bring me a normal, high-quality 59.99$ game instead.

ugh, why they trimmed Earthshaker's polycount? I thought everything was good, but they keep lowering it even more now.

Exuro · 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by raphier:

ugh, just tested this. I can't get over how bad the new avatars look like. What happened to texture quality? If this is an indication due Free-2-Play, then bring me a normal, high-quality 59.99$ game instead.

ugh, why they trimmed Earthshaker's polycount? I thought everything was good, but they keep lowering it even more now.

The texture quality is the result of dozens of new portraits for a single patch. Some of the new ones(Tinker) look fantastic while others don't. Rendering high quality assets for heroes can take time and I doubt they wanted to spend a lot of it rendering brand new high quality portraits that may change later for this particular patch.

Also, ES's old portrait had some of the worst textures. The new one obviously isn't any better, but that will change when more patches come out.

raphier · 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Exuro:

The texture quality is the result of dozens of new portraits for a single patch. Some of the new ones(Tinker) look fantastic while others don't. Rendering high quality assets for heroes can take time and I doubt they wanted to spend a lot of it rendering brand new high quality portraits that may change later.

Also, ES's old portrait had some of the worst textures. The new one obviously isn't any better, but that will change when more patches come out.

Wha-' But I thought they're rendered in real-time like the rest of the game.