[Iztli]

I always wondered, why not?

This is new to me :/

Heck, I've seen megadeth wear megadeth shirts in their gigs :P

[dallow_bg]

Hence, "Substance" as the name of MGS2's "directors cut"

omg

:mind blown:

[Gianni Merryman]

I played Killer 7 mainly for all the Smiths references.

I was a follower of the Smiths back in the day and played No more heroes on Gamecube - although I've yet to make it through the last levels - and recking my brains I can't think of any Smiths-related reference, apart perhaps from some characters' hairstyles.

Maybe I was dumb and didn't notice these references, or maybe just forgot about it since I haven't played it for ages, so could you please help me out and give me some hints?

[Gianni Merryman]

I though they would get to meet him.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly, but I gather it's not easy getting anywhere close to him in the backstage of his gigs, even for journalists, and maybe Morrissey doesn't play videogames and couldn't be bothered to meet them.

[Acid08]

Word. This picture made my day.

I knew you would be in here too. Awesome picture.

[Gianni Merryman]

I know Kojima is all about Joy Division

Great band, even though some tracks of theirs were a tad depressing, to say the least, still they were great - Decades is one of my favourites - by the way to be honest I like Ian Curtis obscure lyrics much more than the Smiths' ones.

and New Order.

Well, back in the day I bought Brotherood LP and True faith's extended version 12", and I don't think that stuff was up to Joy division's level.

[Zekes!]

I was a follower of the Smiths back in the day and played No more heroes on Gamecube - although I've yet to make it through the last levels - and recking my brains I can't think of any Smiths-related reference, apart perhaps from some characters' hairstyles. Maybe I was dumb and didn't notice these references, or maybe just forgot about it since I haven't played it for ages, so could you please help me out and give me some hints?

that's some straight up sorcery

[Yenrot]

New Order had a "Substance" compilation album as well.

Yes, that is what I, and everyone else who quoted me, is referring to!

[Gianni Merryman]

that's some straight up sorcery

How do you mean?

[border]

What if I buy a shirt of theirs at the concert and don't want to hold onto it the whole time or risk dropping it, so I put it on? Does that make me "not cool" by your metric of stupidity?

Buy the shirt as you are leaving the concert or wear it under your current shirt.

Or you could have your girlfriend put in in her purse. But if you are the sort of person that wear's a band's shirt to the band's concert then you might not have a girlfriend.

[Tashi]

What a cool picture!

Also, there are Smiths references in Killer 7? Pretty cool. Maybe I'll play it one day.

[madkiller]

How do you mean?

No More Heroes was released for the Wii.

[Corto]

Who's that guy on the right of Wario?

[maquiladora]

Not for a while =(

Sorry for going OT, but why was he banned?

[IrishNinja]

NHM on gamecube was ahead of its time.

and yeah this picture is awesome, this "suda's a dick! why they wearin shirtz" etc talk is from dudes who ain't at a Morrissey show having a good time.

Who's that guy on the right of Wario?

UGH if you have to ask POSER

man i was really hoping someone else would ask cause i don't know

[PetriP-TNT]

But if you are the sort of person that wear's a band's shirt to the band's concert then you might not have a girlfriend.

Ohhh snap, shots fired

[Acid08]

Buy the shirt as you are leaving the concert or wear it under your current shirt. Or you could have your girlfriend put in in her purse. But if you are the sort of person that wear's a band's shirt to the band's concert then you might not have a girlfriend.

You sound like such a delight.

[Haunted]

Poor form Kojima, never wear a band's shirt to their show.

Why not?

Because you're already at their show, and there's no need to wear something to show that you like the band.

That doesn't make any sense.

You fashion nazis can't tell me what to wear and what not to wear, this is a free country!

[Trevelyon]

There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll.

[Tashi]

Not wearing a band shit to their concert is like not wearing a jersey to the team you're watching play. Also, fuck buying shirts after the show. Unless it's a smaller venue, they're always jam packed or sold out. I think I have like 1 band shirt anyway lol U2 Vertigo tour - bought it at MSG Actually I have a Cure shirt as well but I had that before I went to see them.

[Gianni Merryman]

No More Heroes was released for the Wii.

Ah, you're right, my bad! :P

Actually I meant to write down Killer 7 - in fact that was the game being discussed -, but since I've played both games - of course respectively Killer 7 on Gamecube and No more heroes on Wii, and I still have both - I got them mixed up when I typed it, and now I can see what happened in my brain.
It's something curious as this sort of things occur to me very often, and if one thinks about it, human brain is no much different from a computer's OS: even if you are not aware of it there's always some processes running in the background - when you're dreaming as well -, multitasking indeed!

[zewone]

Dope.

Got this shirt on at work under my sweater.

[P90]

Morrisey? No Smiths? Fohgettaboutit!

[twinturbo2]

Disappointing, Suda. Just put some Smiths on the iPod Touch then you don't have to spend your time in the company of two wet idiots.

I'm just shocked that there are Smiths songs other than How Soon Is Now?

[Mama Robotnik]

Great photo. I love Suda's games, he takes Kojima's talent for the surreal, conspiracy, storyline presentation and theatrical boss experiences, and dials it all up to eleven. I like the idea that they are mates for some reason.

The plot and presentation of Killer 7 is like Metal Gear Solid 1-3 on supercocaine.

[gryz]

this is now a new order vs joy division thread

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Whoa. A bit of a surprise, really.

[Darkmakaimura]

+1000 in my book. Morrisey is great!

[/XX/]

I know Kojima is all about Joy Division and New Order.

I think the most obvious reference to that band would be that store from SNATCHER called Joy Division.

[eLZhi]

Why not? That doesn't make any sense. You fashion nazis can't tell me what to wear and what not to wear, this is a free country!

Because they saw it in a movie and now they think it makes them cool if they parrot it.

[Blueblur1]

Why is this a thread?

[dallow_bg]

Why is this a thread?

Look at the responses.
Seemed worthwhile.

[Acid08]

Disappointing, Suda. Just put some Smiths on the iPod Touch then you don't have to spend your time in the company of two wet idiots.

wat

Suda hasn't, and never will, make a game as good as MGS1 or MGS3. Sorry breh.

[injurai]

I want in on the fun :(

[Gianni Merryman]

Morrisey? No Smiths? Fohgettaboutit!

Yeah, although I must admit I liked his first solo album, Viva hate, his music is not that great, and I will never stress out enough how the other members of group who deserve much more credit, especially Johnny Marr who was an amazing and creative musician; speaking of which just listen at him playing guitars in Greetings to the new brunette by Billy Bragg, its arpegios are pure Smiths.

[NoirVisage]

I though they would get to meet him.

He wouldn't want to meet them..as much as I love the smiths music and some of Mor's solo stuff, its pretty much common knowledge at this point he doesn't think to highly of non-whites. He's actually quite brazen about it. :(

[Misguided]

Why would you buy a shirt to a concert you're at and then not wear it? It's much more convenient to put it on over whatever you're wearing so that you don't have to hold it. Like honestly, you're at a fucking rock show. There's not much room for etiquette when half the pit is drunk off their asses.

[Gianni Merryman]

Why is this a thread?

Well, at the very least I find it pretty interesting that two of the most outstanding Japanese video-game personalities retain such Western cultural influences, and specifically that they're so into Madchester's '80s musical scene, and this says possibly a lot about Kojima and Suda's cultural background, that has probably affected somehow their output.

[pakkit]

Morrisey? No Smiths? Fohgettaboutit!

It's as close as we'll ever get, nowadays so why not. I Am The Quarry is his most recent one that I really loved.

[Red Blaster]

wat Suda hasn't, and never will, make a game as good as MGS1 or MGS3. Sorry breh.

Why set the bar that high, Suda's never made a good game period.

[border]

You sound like such a delight.

Don't take me quite so seriously :P It's no worse than say, wearing black socks with shorts or having a fanny pack.

There's not much room for etiquette when half the pit is drunk off their asses.

I hear that the pit at Morrisey shows is pretty brutal.

[Mama Robotnik]

Why set the bar that high, Suda's never made a good game period.

I disagree. His games are so divisive I can understand them not being liked by some people, of course.

I loved Killer 7 and No More Heroes, really great games in my opinion. The former in particular is kind of awe-inspiring in its lack of any attempt to conform to everything else the industry was doing at the time. There's still nothing out there like it.

His games aren't perfect, and I have no problem with people not liking them. But all in all, I think they're bloody marvelous.

[truly101]

I always wondered, why not?

they just haven't earned yet, baby

He wouldn't want to meet them..as much as I love the smiths music and some of Mor's solo stuff, its pretty much common knowledge at this point he doesn't think to highly of non-whites. He's actually quite brazen about it. :(

I thought Morrissey's xenophobic tendencies were long gone, I mean he's got a far larger latino following than skinhead now

[Acid08]

I disagree. His games are so divisive I can understand them not being liked by some people, of course. I loved Killer 7 and No More Heroes, really great games in my opinion. The former in particular is kind of awe-inspiring in its lack of any attempt to conform to everything else the industry was doing at the time. There's still nothing out there like it. His games aren't perfect, and I have no problem with people not liking them. But all in in all, I think they're bloody marvelous.

I like Killer 7 a lot, playing NMH on the PS3 right now.

He will never be on Kojimas level though.

[Neuromancer]

Sorry for going OT, but why was he banned?

I think because of this

link

[Haunted]

Why is this a thread?

The premise is shit (twitter gossip not involving games does not make for threadworthy material) but we saved it.

[Mama Robotnik]

I like Killer 7 a lot, playing NMH on the PS3 right now. He will never be on Kojimas level though.

Its awesome that we have different opinions of course.

My view is that Suda hasn't reached Kojima's strongest moment (MGS3), but I enjoyed Killer7 and No More Heroes 1/2 considerably more than Metal Gear Solid 4. Given Kojima's inconsistent quality at present, I'm not certain what exactly is meant by his present "level".

Regarding Kojima - I adored MGS2 surreal-ness, the sheer madness that the game becomes leads to an extremely powerful, memorable narrative and ending. It understood the strength of asking questions over providing clear-cut answers. It was an experience that stuck with me, and provoked discussion and debate. It was remarkable.

Killer 7 and (to a somewhat lesser degree) No More Heroes did that, a lot, and proved to be all the more enjoyable and inspiring because of the surreal and abstract qualities that permeate the experiences. MGS4 went the opposite way, an obsessive misjudged quest to rationalise and explain all developments leaving little to the imagination of the player. It was all answers and no questions, and an unfortunate blip in Kojima's quality. To me, it remains to be seen if Kojima's "level" is simply not what it was, or if he was just having a bad moment with MGS4.

Sorry, going a bit off topic. They're awesome devs, the two of them, and I'm glad they are mates.

[Acid08]

MGS4 talk just plays with my emotions too much, can't even talk about it anymore.


Still the Game of the Generation.

[Shard]

Somehow this all makes perfect sense.

[Charoncaori]

I've heard too often that Suda51 is a complete dickbag. Hard for me to appreciate him at all...

He was very, very nice to everyone when he was being swamped by press and fans at PAX. Can't say how much of a joy he is in the office, but he was a really nice guy to me and my friends and he almost always answers his twitter.