[Anony]

is it possible to gift TL1 if i get TL2 and never had TL1?

[PapaJustify]

is it possible to gift TL1 if i get TL2 and never had TL1?

nope

Not sure though, if you - as part of a 4-pack - would get TL1 gifted by the buyer of the 4 pack. Then it would be possible to gift TL2 and TL1 independently, but I ain't sure if it works that way.

[JaseC]

What am I going to do with 4 copies of the game?

I said "[get] in on a four pack" (i.e. join a group buy), not "[buy] yourself a four pack."

[didamangi]

I'm down for a 4 pack, anyone willing to host?

is it possible to gift TL1 if i get TL2 and never had TL1?

Buy Torchlight II as a gift, choose keep in inventory. You'll get TL1 and TL2 as separate gifts in your inventory (maybe xD)

[Deques]

I am still interesting in a group buy. No one?

[Caesar III]

Not sure though, if you - as part of a 4-pack - would get TL1 gifted by the buyer of the 4 pack. Then it would be possible to gift TL2 and TL1 independently, but I ain't sure if it works that way.

I bought a 4-pack and got 4x TL1 and 3x TL2 to gift away. I used trading to let the others get their games so they can trade TL1 further if they own it. Otherwise gifting it to them wouldn't work anyway.

[snap0212]

"how are they going to address hacking / cheating since all the characters are client side? i guess they aren't?" I don't think they really think of it as a concern.

I noticed that you never use the [Quote] feature to quote people. Makes sometimes hard to find out who you're replying to, especially now that we have that awesome "go to post" button attached to every quote. Is there a reason why you don't use it? :)

On Topic: Will buy as soon as my new Pc is built. Still only have a Netbook that doesn't even run Torchlight 1. :[

[The Technomancer]

[QUOTE=snap0212;37403940]I noticed that you never use the

feature to quote people. Makes sometimes hard to find out who you're replying to, especially now that we have that awesome "go to post" button attached to every quote. Is there a reason you don't use it? :)

Its his way

[Gez]

I was just thinking. You know what would be legendary? If Torchlight 2 had Steam trading like TF2, Spiral Knights through the Steam community tab.

[Dog Problems]

I was just thinking. You know what would be legendary? If Torchlight 2 had Steam trading like TF2, Spiral Knights through the Steam community tab.

Yeah, I'd love to see that implemented.

[GeekyDad]

For me, this is the only choice. I'd be all over D3 if my poor old comp could play it, but Torchlight II has compassion for the financially challenged. Looking forward to it.

[wutwutwut]

I was just thinking. You know what would be legendary? If Torchlight 2 had Steam trading like TF2, Spiral Knights through the Steam community tab.

Very bad idea. Can't be done without Diablo 3-style DRM.

[Gez]

Very bad idea. Can't be done without Diablo 3-style DRM.

wutwutwut?

[Painraze]

Very bad idea. Can't be done without Diablo 3-style DRM.

stone cold

[Deques]

Very bad idea. Can't be done without Diablo 3-style DRM.

uhm, how can this be a very bad idea? It just uses the Steam client to trade. And almost everyone got their Torchlight 2 through Steam how can this be a bad idea?

[wutwutwut]

uhm, how can this be a very bad idea? It just uses the Steam client to trade. And almost everyone got their Torchlight 2 through Steam how can this be a bad idea?

Sorry for not elaborating earlier, was on my phone. The only way to ensure that trades have any sort of value is to protect save files from being hacked, and the only mathematically guaranteed way to prevent save files from being hacked is to store them and grant items online. Obviously this isn't a problem for TF2 or Spiral Knights, but for single-player games it necessitates Diablo 3-style DRM, or if an offline mode is implemented then some sort of strict separation between offline and online saves.

Diablo 3 has the RMA which has the same requirements, of course, which is a big reason why it has the DRM it does have. As another corroborating point, you must have noticed your TF2 items reset to stock if your connection with the Steam item server is lost. Same reason.

[witchedwiz]

Talk about crysis is so 20s!
I'll just bite and hop on a 4 pack!
If anyone is organizing one count me in

[FuKuy]

I was just thinking. You know what would be legendary? If Torchlight 2 had Steam trading like TF2, Spiral Knights through the Steam community tab.

STEAMworkshop integration would be nice too.

[Deques]

Sorry for not elaborating earlier, was on my phone. The only way to ensure that trades have any sort of value is to protect save files from being hacked, and the only mathematically guaranteed way to prevent save files from being hacked is to store them and grant items online. Obviously this isn't a problem for TF2 or Spiral Knights, but for single-player games it necessitates Diablo 3-style DRM, or if an offline mode is implemented then some sort of strict separation between offline and online saves. Diablo 3 has the RMA which has the same requirements, of course, which is a big reason why it has the DRM it does have. As another corroborating point, you must have noticed your TF2 items reset to stock if your connection with the Steam item server is lost. Same reason.

In that case I would understand why trading would be a bad idea

[fresquito]

If anybody is interested in a copy of Torchlight 2+Torchlight 1, I'm trading them for Swords & Sworcery+Bastion+Dustforce (more or less the same price as Torchlight II pre-order).

[Suairyu]

Will pick up in Steam xmas sale for ridiculously cheap.

Will laugh at everyone who didn't wait for it to be a daily deal.

[CadetMahoney]

so glad there will be no cheaters for this.

[LiquidMetal14]

Will pick up in Steam xmas sale for ridiculously cheap. Will laugh at everyone who didn't wait for it to be a daily deal.

Kind of hard to complain when it's only 20. I will enjoy this game a lot while the cheap crowd waits on a sale.

[Suairyu]

Kind of hard to complain when it's only 20. I will enjoy this game a lot while the cheap crowd waits on a sale.

Nonono, I don't mean people who buy it full price.

Weren't you there for the year it launched? It went on sale at (I think) 25% off in the Steam xmas sale. Then it was a daily deal for 75% off. People cried that they got "torched". Everyone who waited for a daily deal laughed at them.

It was truly the beginning of the "wait for the daily deal ffs" meme.

[Dragonzord]

Nonono, I don't mean people who buy it full price. Weren't you there for the year it launched? It went on sale at (I think) 25% off in the Steam xmas sale. Then it was a daily deal for 75% off. People cried that they got "torched". Everyone who waited for a daily deal laughed at them. It was truly the beginning of the "wait for the daily deal ffs" meme.

I'm pretty sure most people prepurchasing are aware that games on Steam will eventually go on sale.

[LiquidMetal14]

Good points both of you.

[witchedwiz]

I am still interesting in a group buy. No one?

I'm in eu so, if you're on us and can host it'd be better :/

[FieryBalrog]

I'm pretty sure most people prepurchasing are aware that games on Steam will eventually go on sale.

Steam is getting annoying in that respect but with a base price of $20 a sale doesn't really matter to me.

The only reason I would pick it up later instead of Day 1 is if I'm burned out on ARPGs, not because of the price.

[Conciliator]

A lot of times they do those 10%-off-if-you-preorder deals. I guess that's not going to happen here, or it would be happening already. Would be pretty crappy if the people who preordered later got a discount. Of course, a few bucks off is the only sane reason to pre-purchase a digital release, but most gamers aren't sane obv.

[The Hermit]

Is this game "online always" like diablo? Because if not, then I'll have almost no reason to buy diablo 3.

[fresquito]

If anybody is interested in a copy of Torchlight 2+Torchlight 1, I'm trading them for Swords & Sworcery+Bastion+Dustforce (more or less the same price as Torchlight II pre-order).

No interest? Send me a pm if you`re interested.

[99%]

Is this game "online always" like diablo? Because if not, then I'll have almost no reason to buy diablo 3.

No this has LAN, offline play etc.

Diablo 3 is be better in every single way though, so I guess that would be the reason to buy it. Torchlight 2 will be a nice snack, but it has to improve thousands of times over Torchlight 1 to come close to even the D3 beta.

I have Torchlight 2 pre-ordered, but its just for a few laughs to check it out. I spent more time playing D3 beta then Torchlight 1.

[The Hermit]

I love diablo but my conection is the furthest possible way from stable, so I literally can't play D3 =(

I found out during the beta how frustating that can be, and its not worth it

[99%]

Where do you live?

The beta was running on US servers only, EU and Asia servers will be up for launch.

Thats sad news though :(

[Suairyu]

I'm pretty sure most people prepurchasing are aware that games on Steam will eventually go on sale.

...

You didn't read most of what I wrote, did you?

Or much of it at all, really.

[Dragonzord]

... You didn't read most of what I wrote, did you? Or much of it at all, really.

Will pick up in Steam xmas sale for ridiculously cheap. Will laugh at everyone who didn't wait for it to be a daily deal.

You don't read most of what you write either.

[Suairyu]

You don't read most of what you write either.

Uhuh... you're still not reading. Nor the bit you originally quoted. I was very specific in what I meant.

[harrytang]

Uhuh... you're still not reading. Nor the bit you originally quoted. I was very specific in what I meant.

I read it twice and still left wondering what you meant. Oh well :(

[ArjanN]

Uhuh... you're still not reading. Nor the bit you originally quoted. I was very specific in what I meant.

I got what you meant. The wait for the daily deal thing.

Although IMO the "This game looks great, can't wait to pick it up a year from now for 2 bucks in a steam sale!" mentality is also kind of lame, even if Valve have played into that somewhat with all the great deals.

[The M.O.B]

No this has LAN, offline play etc. Diablo 3 is be better in every single way though, so I guess that would be the reason to buy it. Torchlight 2 will be a nice snack, but it has to improve thousands of times over Torchlight 1 to come close to even the D3 beta. I have Torchlight 2 pre-ordered, but its just for a few laughs to check it out. I spent more time playing D3 beta then Torchlight 1.

LOL Nice Try.

Your post is worthy of Worst Post of the Year.

[anaron]

No this has LAN, offline play etc. Diablo 3 is be better in every single way though, so I guess that would be the reason to buy it. Torchlight 2 will be a nice snack, but it has to improve thousands of times over Torchlight 1 to come close to even the D3 beta. I have Torchlight 2 pre-ordered, but its just for a few laughs to check it out. I spent more time playing D3 beta then Torchlight 1.

This post is backwards.

[robotzombie]

LOL Nice Try. Your post is worthy of Worst Post of the Year.

You sure showed him with your much better post

[VandalD]

I read it twice and still left wondering what you meant. Oh well :(

I believe he/she's talking about when the game is on sale, along with hundreds of others, during the holidays or some such for about 25% off. Then during the same sale, the game goes on daily deal for even more money off. He/she will laugh at the people that bought the game for 25% instead of the daily deal. Nothing to do with preorderers.

No this has LAN, offline play etc. Diablo 3 is be better in every single way though...

The offline play automatically makes it better for people in my situation (shitty internet), and for those that like the ability to mod their games. I can understand why they went with online only for D3, but I'm personally not down with it, even if I didn't have internet with 1000+ ping.

[The M.O.B]

You sure showed him with your much better post

Why should I waste my time responding to a blatant troll?

[Kalnos]

When someone says they have no reason to play Diablo 3 because of this game you don't have to take it as a personal attack, Diablo lurkers. I'm going to play both games and the experience with this game will undoubtedly be different and one of those reasons is the ability to play offline which is very important to some people.

Comparisons are fine, giving reasons why you think Diablo is better after having played both games is fine, but why shit up this thread? If you aren't interested in Torchlight the Diablo thread is constantly being bumped with discussion.

[Ardvent]

I picked up the 4 pack, and a friend backed out of buying the fourth copy. If you want to buy the last copy for $15 (through paypal) send me a PM. You'll also get Torchlight 1 if you don't own it already.

harrytang picked up the last copy, here's hoping everyone has fun in Torchlight!

[Gez]

No this has LAN, offline play etc. Diablo 3 is be better in every single way though, so I guess that would be the reason to buy it. Torchlight 2 will be a nice snack, but it has to improve thousands of times over Torchlight 1 to come close to even the D3 beta. I have Torchlight 2 pre-ordered, but its just for a few laughs to check it out. I spent more time playing D3 beta then Torchlight 1.

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Is anyone doing a 4 pack or is there a thread for people who are?

[RoryDropkick]

I preordered mine, I'm ready!

[SolidsnackooFoxhound]

Developer is doing a Q & A and streaming Torchlight 2. http://www.twitch.tv/iiTiamatii