[Enosh]

I like to read about crazy shit in EVE
but I never want to play EVE after reading about the crazy shit ^^

[diffusionx]

Sounds awesome, but the feed is the most boring shit ever.

[SparkTR]

I don't play EVE, but if you don't like what Goonsquad is doing, isn't it possible to launch a counterattack? And why wasn't such an important trading hub more protected?

It is possible, but it's a bunch of unorgaized highsec players vs a hardened nullsec guild with a command hierarchy and whatnot. Goonswarm are outnumbered but are far more organized.

It was in highsec space so it's protected by CONCORD ships (AI controlled police). There's just so many organized attackers and ships available that they're able to overcome this. Not just any guild could pull this off.

[Scirrocco]

War...

War never changes.

The stories are always better then the real thing.

[chixdiggit]

Incredible. I really wish i could get into Eve

[Nymerio]

I never could get into this game, but I enjoy reading about it very much. Sounds so cool.

[Cipherr]

Being able to lose stuff you worked for isn't fun regardless of how much effort you've put into your character, but that's just my opinion. It's why I don't play Diablo hardcore and why I would never play this. The thing that would make Eve even worse than say, Diablo hardcore for me though is the fact that it's other people ruining my day. Other real human beings actively trying to ruin my game. Just sounds extremely not fun.

I agree. I just.. can't. These things ensure I want nothing to to with the game (it sounds dreadful) but those very things seem to draw OTHER people in.

As much as I loathe the very idea, others find it fascinating. Its really weird.

[The Faceless Master]

I always got the sense that if you are not in the right guild and a big dog you are just cannon fodder or worthless.

kind of like real life!

[FStop7]

But does it have pandas?

[The Omega Man]

omg, A war that isn't real! but it is...

[Spat_triate]

http://www.twitch.tv/dangerosodavo

The fuck is going on here?

[Bitmap Frogs]

Hah, no longer hiding behind NPC corps lol.

However, I don't know for how long they can pull this off. Every hostile action on hi-sec reduces the player security level and once it goes down enough they can't even undock without getting attacked by CONCORD. Specifically if they use smartbombs, they're gonna podkill people and each podkill is (used to be) very costly in security terms. And of course getting your security back up again is a massive timesink.

The real story is how all those assets are now permanently locked in Jita. We're talking billions and billions, probably over half of the game's easily tradeable assets are now landlocked. No one is gonna risk moving their shit now so... basically every single tradeable good in the game is gonna at least triple in price while the Jita blockade lasts.

[SparkTR]

I agree. I just.. can't. These things ensure I want nothing to to with the game (it sounds dreadful) but those very things seem to draw OTHER people in. As much as I loathe the very idea, others find it fascinating. Its really weird.

It's the reason why people remember Ultima Online so fondly. There's more than enough regulated 'themepark' MMOs out there (not saying they're bad, but there's a lot of them). Playing in an actual sandbox, a fully realized player-run universe was a breath of fresh air for me.

[The Faceless Master]

wat WAT

you think that's bad?

i remember back in the 90's, someone BROKE INTO ANOTHER PERSON'S HOUSE while they were at work just to take over and IRC channel!

[Bitmap Frogs]

http://www.twitch.tv/dangerosodavo The fuck is going on here?

The structure way in the background is Jumpgate, that's what is used to move between solar systems. Every broken square (looks like this sorta [ ] is a player. The + signs are npc ships, mostly CONCORD.

[oneils]

http://www.twitch.tv/dangerosodavo The fuck is going on here?

Well, seeing as they have telegraphed their Jitageddon I am betting it is a bunch of goons waiting for noobs to jump into Jita.

But since the cat is out of the bag, everyone is probably avoiding Jita or else just not undocking from the system stations.

[Bitmap Frogs]

Well, seeing as they have telegraphed their Jitageddon, I am betting it is a bunch of goons waiting for noobs to jump into Jita. But since the cat is out of the bag, everyone is probably avoiding Jita or else just not undocking from the system stations.

Yeah, they're probably gatecamping.

[Spat_triate]

The structure way in the background is Jumpgate, that's what is used to move between solar systems. Every broken square (looks like this sorta [ ] is a player. The + signs are npc ships, mostly CONCORD.

Are the goons the orange [] ?

[oneils]

Are the goons the orange [] ?

Yeah, the guy running the feed is changing his overview settings to make goonswarm corporations show up as orange.

[Corto]

Is it strange that I never played EVE but I just want to download the trial to witness this first hand? I'll settle for the livestreams for now...

[Acosta]

http://www.twitch.tv/dangerosodavo The fuck is going on here?

hahahaha, that's amazing.

Too bad CONCORD it´s invincible, it would be fun to see Jita reduced to ashes.

Loved Eve the months I played, but I was too out of the loop and it demands team work to make the most of it which I couldn't allocate on my schedule. There are ways to play solo but it´s not as interesting that way.

Not going to sugar coat it, it can be really boring. But at the same time it can't be incredibly exciting. Trying to trade in lowsec or passing through 0.0 to arrive faster to a point gave me a great feeling of danger that I really enjoyed it, even if I knew I was betting my ship on it.

I still hope for a new Sandbox MMO that I can play from the beginning.

[Fudgepuppy]

Isn't Eve on one server, then how does that work with the lag?

[Moaradin]

No clue what's happening but it's awesome.

[Seventy_X_Seven]

That could be the basis for an excellent sci-fi story. The game itself looks kinda boring, though.

The entire history of player led actions and events would make a very enticing sci-fi story.

Too bad all it will ever be is the chit chat you hear around the web. In my mind I envision a massive space battle of unprecedented proportions, what I get is very boring streams and youtube videos.

While nowhere near the same size as this, I have seen pretty insane stuff in other games. Back in RO, I remember that some powerful guilds united and, to take down the most powerful guild in the server, sent a girl to make the guild master fall in love with her. The whole thing went pretty far, I think she even moved in with him and stuff. She broke up with him and the guy went into depression and disbanded the guild. It was insane. MMOs are serious business, heh

This is where it goes too far. Not much one can really do to prevent this kind of stuff, but I wonder what kind of messed up twisted soul it takes to consciously and willingly do this.

[nacire]

Who is making sure members of Goonswarm aren't secure?

[BladedExpert]

Shit just went down on that live stream :o

[oneils]

Isn't Eve on one server, then how does that work with the lag?

It is all one instance, if that is what you mean. But, they have a way of creating clusters of servers. I think Jita is on its own server cluster and that server cluster has a way of handling the load. I am probably not the right guy to explain it as I'm no techie.

edit: I found this article that might help (its a bit old, so maybe the tech has changed since then)

http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/09...-server-model/

[Kinyou]

While nowhere near the same size as this, I have seen pretty insane stuff in other games. Back in RO, I remember that some powerful guilds united and, to take down the most powerful guild in the server, sent a girl to make the guild master fall in love with her. The whole thing went pretty far, I think she even moved in with him and stuff. She broke up with him and the guy went into depression and disbanded the guild. It was insane. MMOs are serious business, heh

I also remember some guild hiring a "contract killer" who went undercover into another guild, worked his way up to the top and killed the guild's leader (and sold all his stuff) during a vulnerable moment

[Kong Fisso]

you think that's bad? i remember back in the 90's, someone BROKE INTO ANOTHER PERSON'S HOUSE while they were at work just to take over and IRC channel!

Plz share these crazy mmo stories

[zsswimmer]

I find playing EVE really boring but the stories that come from it are amazing

[Krev]

It warms my heart to see that SA are still dedicated to completely fucking over anyone who plays EVE, even after all these years.

[eLZhi]

Eve Online is by far the most interesting sounding MMO, and yet still one I'd never want to play.

It absolutely is, and I so want to play it, but it's way too daunting. I know I'll never be able to even begin to grasp the entire thing.

[Plywood]

What are those two giant ships in the middle?

<-- Limited knowledge on Eve.

It absolutely is, and I so want to play it, but it's way too daunting. I know I'll never be able to even begin to grasp the entire thing.

Truth, I tried the trial and felt overwhelmed. Major props to those who wrapped their head around the game.

[ThankeeSai]

It absolutely is, and I so want to play it, but it's way too daunting. I know I'll never be able to even begin to grasp the entire thing.

This.

A friend of mine gave me a 21 day trial code which I've yet to use.

I've looked at a few videos of it on youtube and I'll probably just be perplexed with it all. That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Maybe I'll give it a try next time I have a few days off work.

[SatelliteOfLove]

Any MMO that is designed to make player agency of this type impossible is no MMO.

While nowhere near the same size as this, I have seen pretty insane stuff in other games. Back in RO, I remember that some powerful guilds united and, to take down the most powerful guild in the server, sent a girl to make the guild master fall in love with her. The whole thing went pretty far, I think she even moved in with him and stuff. She broke up with him and the guy went into depression and disbanded the guild. It was insane. MMOs are serious business, heh

Dayum!

[Gattsu25]

My brother has told me it ties into (and my memory is foggy) the Goonsquad leader who is also the president of the player government ( or WAS the president) as it had been stripped from him due to him doing dodgy shit. This is retaliation for that.

Specifically, he used his public position as a platform to tell players to harrass another specific player who is depressed and drive that player to commit suicide, IIRC.

Classy dude, that Goonswarm leader

[Bitmap Frogs]

Eve looks incredibly alien because it doesn't use the cute avatar in the middle of the screen as a metaphor and all the tropes that come with it.

Just play it and take it easy, you'll get the grasp of it.

[SparkTR]

Specifically, he used his public position as a platform to tell players to harrass another specific player who is depressed and drive that player to commit suicide, IIRC. Classy dude, that Goonswarm leader

Damn, any more information on this? A news story or something?

[Gattsu25]

Damn, any more information on this? A news story or something?

Was on mobile and had to jump on my PC to get this....here ya go:

The Mittani, Eve Online’s most famous and infamous player, has learned the hard way that the internet is serious business after all. The controversy arose at last week’s Eve Fanfest, where in a public talk he first mocked and then urged others to hound a player who was apparently suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts. “Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his [in-game] name is [REDACTED]“, Mittani declared. Unsurprisingly, this quickly spread beyond the Fanfest.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...in-eve-online/


Here's the leader of Goonswarm talking about his ban from the same news story:

‘The Mittani’ has always been roleplayed as a baddie, which is not the as being the bad guy in real life, as he explained: “It’s one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game – when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as ‘The Mittani’, and do my level best to convince everyone that I’m an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don’t want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself.”

[Zia]

I love EVE. While still about progression and obtainment, it's fueled by openness and player creativity. The opposite of WoW, a glorified Cow Clicker, a game about extremely linear progression in the name of acquisition.

[SparkTR]

Was on mobile and had to jump on my PC to get this....here ya go: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...in-eve-online/ Here's the leader of Goonswarm talking about his ban from the same news story:

Thanks, I heard about this but didn't connect the dots. I'm loving how this real world drama can translate to such massive consequences ingame.

Though, I remember reading they were planning this attack for 4 months now.

[Tunesmith]

When logging in. :)

[kennah]

That is so awesome.

[Bitmap Frogs]

That is so awesome.

Oh man, CCP.

Such an awesome team behind this game.

edit: update from the failheap, it appears the goons have so far destroyed over 100 billion isk in assets.

[UnluckyKate]

Would buffing Concord to protect players would be considered intrusive from CPP into EVE balance just for this event ?

[Winterblink]

And then there's the fun of looking at the effect of this on the map. :)


(links to large version)

[Nohar]

... Wait, what ?!

Oh gosh, Goonswarm strikes again... In D&D terms, I don't think I would be mistaken to call them Chaotic Evil.

I heard some stories where the line between gaming and real life became really blurry in EvE. The story about Goonswarm's leader, Mittani, if true, disgusts me... Harassment is still harassment, offline and online. What he did (and what others players contributed to) sickens me.

[KKRT00]

Would buffing Concord to protect players would be considered intrusive from CPP into EVE balance just for this event ?

Nope, mostly because You cant buff concord further.

[industrian]

I remember following the Goonswarm invasion of Delve a few years back. Shit was epic.

[Winterblink]

... Wait, what ?! Oh gosh, Goonswarm strikes again... In D&D terms, I don't think I would be mistaken to call them Chaotic Evil. I heard some stories where the line between gaming and real life became really blurry in EvE. The story about Goonswarm's leader, Mittani, if true, disgusts me... Harassment is still harassment, offline and online. What he did (and what others players contributed to) sickens me.

That being said, sit in any busy system in EVE online and you'll hear much worse being said to people, not to mention things sent by private messages. I'm not saying it makes it right, but this particular issue became huge for CCP to react to because it was so public.

Anyway, those stories you heard about the blurring of the lines are probably very true. Forum intrusions between alliances and corps aren't uncommon occurrences, not to mention stories of people infiltrating corps and alliances for theft and intel gathering purposes. It's EVE's metagame, and something that makes EVE very unique. :)