[Ponn01]

So I click on one of those youtube links after reading epic sounding OP and some techno high energy music starts and i'm looking at some guy clicking on dots on a space map and pulldown menus. After 30 seconds of watching this boring ass display I start laughing and realize this is the game and close it.

[UnluckyKate]

Nope, mostly because You cant buff concord further.

Make it more reactive to protect neutral ships getting engaged ?

[raphier]

so just saw lots of yellow dots appear and then warp away. who are these?

[Ziltoid]

That's kinda cool.

EVE Online have always fascinated me, but if my patience playing X3:Reunion is any indication, EVE is not for me :p.

[Onion_Relish]

This ia the kind of shit I miss from wow. I remember staying up until 3am just to help kill tyrande windwhisper. It caused such a shit storm that the alliance actually pulled off a daring sneak attack and killed thrall. Nostalgia...

[KKRT00]

Make it more reactive to protect neutral ships getting engaged ?

Concord if its not on grid appears 7-10s after engagement, then You get instajammed and warp disrupted and die in 5-20 seconds, if its on grid You get jammed after 3 seconds.

You basically can fire only 2-3 times before they lock You down.

[UnluckyKate]

Concord if its not on grid appears 7-10s after engagement, then You get instajammed and warp disrupted and die in 5-20 seconds, if its on grid You get jammed after 3 seconds. You basically fire 2-3 times before they lock You down.

A friend plays EVE. I don't. I know a bit about it but not details like this. So only weakers ships getting heavily focused are likely to get down from this kind of behavior ?

[Degen]

I wish I knew what was I was looking at because this all sounds cool as shit

yo VIDEO GAMES

[Rapstah]

So I click on one of those youtube links after reading epic sounding OP and some techno high energy music starts and i'm looking at some guy clicking on dots on a space map and pulldown menus. After 30 seconds of watching this boring ass display I start laughing and realize this is the game and close it.

It's a space MMO that launched in 2003, what were you expecting? The metagame the game allows will always sound more interesting than the game itself, but that's true about mostly all MMOs and reality as well.

[EdibleExplosives]

Wow, I wish I could get into this game but it all seems way too complicated for my tiny brain.

[KKRT00]

A friend plays EVE. I don't. I know a bit about it but not details like this. So only weakers ships getting heavily focused are likely to get down from this kind of behavior ?

Yes, You can kill almost any type of ship with organized,heavy dps fleet of battleships, but its not easy. Basically any battlecruiser with tank fit can survive even 7-8 battleships gank.
Its also harder to kill a person who doesnt use autopilot, because You have to lock him down on another side of the gate.
Flying by hand in fast ship with warp stabilizers also gives You immunity.
And be aware that no one will gank You if Your not worth the gank, so if You arent flying with 100m+ worth of cargo, no one will shoot You [in High Sec].

[Valnen]

you think that's bad? i remember back in the 90's, someone BROKE INTO ANOTHER PERSON'S HOUSE while they were at work just to take over and IRC channel!

Eh, personally I'd rather have someone break into my house and fuck with my computer than some girl pretend to fall in love with me just to try and manipulate me and then ruthlessly leave. But I'm weird.

[SparkTR]

It's a space MMO that launched in 2003, what were you expecting? The metagame the game allows will always sound more interesting than the game itself, but that's true about mostly all MMOs and reality as well.

Even so they can make it look pretty damn awesome as well.

[Winterblink]

Wow, I wish I could get into this game but it all seems way too complicated for my tiny brain.

The traditional new player failure is to look at the entire big picture of all EVE has to offer and suffer from brain overload at the sheer number of options. I always recommend a progression up from the smallest to the larger ships, as you gain a better understanding of the various mechanics without risking expensive stuff early. That'll just frustrate some, and they'll bail.

Been playing since '03, and I still fly interceptors because they're relatively inexpensive, and tons of fun.

[Sciz]

EVE stories are always the best stories. It's just a shame that the gameplay amounts to competitive paint drying.

[~Kinggi~]

I know nothing about eve but last night there were some warp-ins from other squads trying to protect jita, but it was stupid because they kept warping in, scaring them away, then they would warp back, and no fighting actually occurred.

[KKRT00]

Even so they can make it look pretty damn awesome as well.

I would recommend this movie :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGobB...layer_embedded

[CHEEZMO™]

Man, I love EVE.

Kinda want to get back into it but ehhh

[Valnen]

That being said, sit in any busy system in EVE online and you'll hear much worse being said to people, not to mention things sent by private messages. I'm not saying it makes it right, but this particular issue became huge for CCP to react to because it was so public. Anyway, those stories you heard about the blurring of the lines are probably very true. Forum intrusions between alliances and corps aren't uncommon occurrences, not to mention stories of people infiltrating corps and alliances for theft and intel gathering purposes. It's EVE's metagame, and something that makes EVE very unique. :)

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game?

Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

[RaySpencer]

I absolutely love reading about all the crazy shit that happens in EVE, but what I REALLY want, it someone to make all of this stuff into a news show, and then after all an event like this has ended, turn it into a documentary! haha.


I want my game news about wars and stuff to be like real life! DOIT!

[~Kinggi~]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

The free nature of it is one of the reasons why they lack so many new players. At this point EVE is just around to keep the core happy as they already have established connections or enough experience with it. I tried a trial and the thing was a mess for new players. Its why CCP is doing that fps game tied into the universe because they arent having the growth they would want.

[KKRT00]

Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

You would ban internet too, right? ;)

Its sandbox game, You can do whatever You want with meta game. Its like some play GTA games to drive over hookers and some to drive a cab [yeah sure :P], but You get a point.

[Hesemonni]

Apparently I seriously suck at googling and I'm prepared to be ridiculed at, but how many players does EVE have and is the player count increasing or decreasing?

I wish I had unlimited amount of time to invest in one game it would probably be EVE :/

[ColonelSkills]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

Man.

EVE is one of the few games where you can get the R and the P in MMORPG to actually mean something.

Taking that away is completely stupid. If people are uncomfortable playing it, then they should probably not be playing it. There are a tonne of MMOs that will coddle you. This isn't one of them.

All that said, I used to play, and every time I read these stories I want to get back into it. But then I realize that I would be kissing my sleep schedule goodbye again, and that's the last thing I need. :(

[CHEEZMO™]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

You're a right fucking barrel of laughs aren't you?

[SparkTR]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

You wouldn't get stuff like this without it. It has more to do with gaining assets rather than personal attacks, like in the real world it's dog-eat-dog and if you're in a position of power you have to watch your back.

The free nature of it is one of the reasons why they lack so many new players. At this point EVE is just around to keep the core happy as they already have established connections or enough experience with it. I tried a trial and the thing was a mess for new players. Its why CCP is doing that fps game tied into the universe because they arent having the growth they would want.

If you have a Reddit or SomethingAwful account getting accepted in Dreddit or Goonswarm is easy business, they'll shower you with ISK. If you don't there's corps like EVE University which will accept you. Basically don't try to go in alone.

[KKRT00]

Apparently I seriously suck at googling and I'm prepared to be ridiculed at, but how many players does EVE have and is the player count increasing or decreasing? I wish I had unlimited amount of time to invest in one game it would probably be EVE :/

500k+ subscribers and 50~60k concurrent players. Its the only MMO with constant grow of subscription base [year to year] since launch.

[Winterblink]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

That's actually not what I said. Because of the player driven nature of EVE, tight coordination is needed to accomplish larger, more complicated goals of the game (conquering/defending territory, large scale engineering, etc.). Like RL big business and military, espionage is employed to gain advantage. That's done in part within the game, and in the case of more enterprising players out of game.

There are bans that are employed for harassment in-game, if the target reports it to CCP and and investigation yields that harassment did indeed occur. Out of game though, if someone hacks your forum CCP isn't responsible for following up with enforcement.

It's not that the game or the developers encourage harassing behavior, however there are in-game tools that allow for people to report it, and (in the case of corporate espionage and theft) protect against the the abuse and loss of assets.

All of this adds a flavor to the game that you just won't find anywhere else.

[Ultimadrago]

Excellent response.

[Fancy Corndog]

What's a good video to watch? I have no idea what I'm looking at. Is Jita something that I can look at and watch be destroyed?

[border]

EVE - the game everyone wants to hear about, but nobody wants to play.

So what are GoonSquad's chances of actually destroying this major trading hub?

[SparkTR]

What's a good video to watch? I have no idea what I'm looking at. Is Jita something that I can look at and watch be destroyed?

Jita is a system, so it can't be destroyed. Their aim is to blockage the jumpgate to interrupt trading and screw with the economy, as Jita is the largest trading hub. Here's a livestream, dunno if they're still covering the event but you probably won't see much action since people are avoiding it like the plague now.

[~Kinggi~]

EVE - the game everyone wants to hear about, but nobody wants to play. So what are GoonSquad's chances of actually destroying this major trading hub?

they cant destroy it., just the economy. Prices on everything are going up. Goons hoarded a bunch of resources before this so they will make a bunch of money after the prices rise. Every ship destroyed is a paid for ship that is lost forever.

[industrian]

Eh, personally I'd rather have someone break into my house and fuck with my computer than some girl pretend to fall in love with me just to try and manipulate me and then ruthlessly leave. But I'm weird.

EVE is full of weird stories like this.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65475

[INDIGO_CYCLOPS]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

Yes a blissful utopia of alliances, and developer-established priorities sounds fun compared to what EVE offers. Which is a sandbox full of a corporate-sleeze mentality that keeps things interesting. It's a game, and one that is so unique in what it offers to the people that fully take advantage of it, who in their right mind would mess with that?

[PedroLumpy]

So the metagame is basically harassing each other and doing the sort of things that would be bannable in any sane game? Not sure how any of that is a good thing...this game should probably be shut down if that type of behavior is encouraged. Why would they not perma ban people for ongoing harassment?

If someone can infiltrate another Guild, why shouldn't that be allowed? If that guild gives power to a spy, they should be more careful.

I'm just happy knowing Eve exists, whether I play it or not.

[br0ken_shad0w]

Best Sandbox MMO was Ultima Online, anyone that says otherwise is a liar.

I always want to get into EVE Online, but the gameplay just isn't my thing. I want my space games to have epic, Freespace-style action.

[BigDug13]

It absolutely is, and I so want to play it, but it's way too daunting. I know I'll never be able to even begin to grasp the entire thing.

The funny thing is that the Goon Squad specifically thrives on this. Want to play Eve but feel it's too daunting? Hook up with us. Build an interdictor ship that prevents warp and swarm the enemies that we want you to swarm. We know you don't really know what you're doing, but we will hook you up with untold riches to do our bidding. Just join us so you will be "safe" from all those Eve ruffians that would do you harm.

The parallels with real life are haunting. Graduated High School in a small town and don't know what to do next? Join our "Army" and we will give you a gun and tell you who to shoot at. And in return we will pay for your college and stuff.

[shaowebb]

Eve is the game where that one guy setup a bank scam and then bought the most unassailable ship with it imaginable and placed a bounty on his own head daring folks to get even right? God that game has some legendary player moments.

EDIT: Just checked in on the DangerosoDavo stream of this. They say its failing pretty miserably so far. They'll be at it another 3 days or so from what the stream says too. Not certain what it'd take to pull this off at this point.

[Tellaerin]

Are there any other player organizations in EVE on par with Goonswarm in terms of size and power? All the news I hear out of the game seems to be, 'Goonswarm does this to so-and-so' and 'Goonswarm does that to so-and-so'. The impression I'm getting is that EVE might as well be subtitled, 'Goonswarm Fucks With People: The MMO' at this point, and if you're not with them, you're going to get screwed. Rival superpowers clashing in-game sounds epic, but one mega-guild curb-stomping lesser guilds left and right doesn't really get me excited for the game.

[BigDug13]

Are there any other player organizations in EVE on par with Goonswarm in terms of size and power? All the news I hear out of the game seems to be, 'Goonswarm does this to so-and-so' and 'Goonswarm does that to so-and-so'. The impression I'm getting is that EVE might as well be subtitled, 'Goonswarm Fucks With People: The MMO' at this point, and if you're not with them, you're going to get screwed. Rival superpowers clashing in-game sounds epic, but one mega-guild curb-stomping lesser guilds left and right doesn't really get me excited for the game.

Like I said, they are The Empire. A small but organized rebellion using guerilla tactics to disrupt, rally support, and ultimately become victorious is the next step. :p

[two4two]

I just spent a good 45 minutes reading the old Nightfreeze scam. Eve is so silly. I love love love watching it from a very large distance.

[El Sloth]

While nowhere near the same size as this, I have seen pretty insane stuff in other games. Back in RO, I remember that some powerful guilds united and, to take down the most powerful guild in the server, sent a girl to make the guild master fall in love with her. The whole thing went pretty far, I think she even moved in with him and stuff. She broke up with him and the guy went into depression and disbanded the guild. It was insane. MMOs are serious business, heh

As in, they moved in together in real life or in-game? The distinction is crucial.

[spirity]

I love it. And long may EVE continue.

Sometimes it's fun to fuck with people. Not just to be cruel and affect the person on the other side of the screen, but to roleplay.

I remember in Everquest, my guild would occasionally get restless so we'd lock down a city. Kill all the npcs so no trainers merchants bankers or quest givers, and issue a decree; tax on everyone entering or leaving the city, because it now belonged to us. If you wanted to use the facilities you had to pay us. We'd make our own game, in a way more political and dynamic that any developer could ever dream of. This wasn't done out of spite or cruelty, this was done to remind people that Norrath was a world, and in this world unexpected things happen. You'd be inconvenienced because shit happens, just like real life. We'd often be driven off when the word got around and other guilds teamed up to rout us. As a result of this, guilds made alliances. Friendships were formed. Pacts were made. Scores were going to be settled.

That was the gift we gave, and that was the point. Some people got it. Others couldn't see it. But everyone felt it.

[KKRT00]

Like I said, they are The Empire. A small but organized rebellion using guerilla tactics to disrupt, rally support, and ultimately become victorious is the next step. :p

Nope, they are just loud trolls with some good leadership and many mindless bees. When You think about goonswarm as an EVE player, You automatically think about local spamming hordes of mindless, trolling noobs. They werent that great as a fighting alliance, but they were good in numbers and 'dyplomacy'.

Listen to this :)
http://strony.aster.pl/kakarotto/Goo...rch30-0400.mp3

[Dead]

I love it. And long may EVE continue. Sometimes it's fun to fuck with people. Not just to be cruel and affect the person on the other side of the screen, but to roleplay. I remember in Everquest, my guild would occasionally get restless so we'd lock down a city. Kill all the npcs so no trainers merchants bankers or quest givers, and issue a decree; tax on everyone entering or leaving the city, because it now belonged to us. If you wanted to use the facilities you had to pay us. We'd make our own game, in a way more political and dynamic that any developer could ever dream of. This wasn't done out of spite or cruelty, this was done to remind people that Norrath was a world, and in this world unexpected things happen. You'd be inconvenienced because shit happens, just like real life. We'd often be driven off when the word got around and other guilds teamed up to rout us. As a result of this, guilds made alliances. Friendships were formed. Pacts were made. Scores were going to be settled. That was the gift we gave, and that was the point. Some people got it. Others couldn't see it. But everyone felt it.

Most apt avatar + post combo ever?

[BigTnaples]

This game sounds amazing. I played the trial but didn't get very far.

Maybe when my new rig comes I'll give it a spin.

[Trojita]

But without Jita, what will happen to Tro?

[Mindlog]

0.0 has been boring as hell for a couple of months. That kind of downtime had to be for something. The more aggressive 0.0 outfits aren't well suited for peace.

This is a great outlet for mass conflict without capital blobbing. It's also something to keep their Industrial Arm busy. It also keeps their fighters busy. It also manipulates the markets to their advantage. It will drive up recruitment.

There's a lot of synergy.

[chiablo]