[BattleMonkey]

This is such a stupid picture as it only applies to a small sect of the game.

[SLV]

I just spent a good 45 minutes reading the old Nightfreeze scam. Eve is so silly. I love love love watching it from a very large distance.

That was an awesome and well written story. Would read again !

[eosos]

Everytime I read about EVE I want to try it. Then I try it and I just cannot get into it cause it's confusing as fuck.

[eLZhi]

The funny thing is that the Goon Squad specifically thrives on this. Want to play Eve but feel it's too daunting? Hook up with us. Build an interdictor ship that prevents warp and swarm the enemies that we want you to swarm. We know you don't really know what you're doing, but we will hook you up with untold riches to do our bidding. Just join us so you will be "safe" from all those Eve ruffians that would do you harm. The parallels with real life are haunting. Graduated High School in a small town and don't know what to do next? Join our "Army" and we will give you a gun and tell you who to shoot at. And in return we will pay for your college and stuff.

That doesn't sound like fun. I wouldn't be playing the game. I'd just be doing what you tell me to do while you play the game. No thanks.

[kevm3]

The free nature of it is one of the reasons why they lack so many new players. At this point EVE is just around to keep the core happy as they already have established connections or enough experience with it. I tried a trial and the thing was a mess for new players. Its why CCP is doing that fps game tied into the universe because they arent having the growth they would want.

That's definitely to be expected given it's huge learning curve and the fact that you have such a powerful faction harassing people. I think the developers will have a change of heart about letting this thing go on if a bunch of people quit due to the burn Jita thing.

[bigdaddygamebot]

Specifically, he used his public position as a platform to tell players to harrass another specific player who is depressed and drive that player to commit suicide, IIRC. Classy dude, that Goonswarm leader

That's precisely it. Thank you. I'm sick right now and my memory is shit.

What's going on right now in EVE with the Goonswarm is a great reason for a developer to keep shit buttoned up and limit the player experience.

It seems to be biting the developer in the ass at the moment...unless they just want to change the title of the game to EVE: Goonswarm.

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Everytime I read about EVE I want to try it. Then I try it and I just cannot get into it cause it's confusing as fuck.

The amount of people that say this tells me that CCP should create an MMO that is just as much of a player driven sandbox but with more accessible gameplay. The could be for all I know.

One of the reasons I'm interested in Dust 514. Promising I'll get to exist and have the potential to play just as big a role in this universe as all the EVE players while grounding it as an FPS which I can easily relate to. Still have my doubts on the actual level of significance Dust players will really have though. I mean would Dust players have the means to pull off organized events on a similar scale as this? Can't see how.

[~Kinggi~]

The amount of people that say this tells me that CCP should create an MMO that is just as much of a player driven sandbox but with more accessible gameplay. The could be for all I know. One of the reasons I'm interested in Dust 514. Promising I'll get to exist and have the potential to play just as big a role in this universe as all the EVE players while grounding it as an FPS which I can easily relate to. Still have my doubts on the actual level of significance Dust players will really have though. I mean would Dust players have the means to pull off organized events on a similar scale as this? Can't see how.

Im very interested to see how Dust affects things like economy and events.

[exmachina64]

Does anyone have a link to a story about that girlfriend scam?

[∀ Narayan]

This is such a stupid picture as it only applies to a small sect of the game.

Agreed. I'm not into the whole market PvP stuff, so I rarely see spreadsheets.

The amount of people that say this tells me that CCP should create an MMO that is just as much of a player driven sandbox but with more accessible gameplay.

The gameplay doesn't need to be made accessible, because it's really not that difficult to get into EVE's mechanics. The things that need need to be made accessible are the HUD and UI, and CCP are making efforts towards achieving this goal. EVE's new player tutorial systems are getting better and better as well.

That's precisely it. Thank you. I'm sick right now and my memory is shit. What's going on right now in EVE with the Goonswarm is a great reason for a developer to keep shit buttoned up and limit the player experience. It seems to be biting the developer in the ass at the moment...unless they just want to change the title of the game to EVE: Goonswarm.

This really isn't hurting the game, you know. Jita isn't some static location that CCP made a market hub. The PLAYERS made that location important. Jita is also far from being the only major market hub in New Eden.

[CHEEZMO™]

Any updates?

[thetrin]

I'll never play EVE, but I'm so glad the game exists. As a casual observer, it's gripping stuff. Thank you for posting this, OP.

[Narag]

I'll never play EVE, but I'm so glad the game exists. As a casual observer, it's gripping stuff. Thank you for posting this, OP.

Defintely. EVE tales are something I'd never want to participate in but they're amazing to read.

[yencid]

So wait if they are blocking off the biggest trading point in the game, wouldnt another trading point arise in its place?

[Basileus777]

So wait if they are blocking off the biggest trading point in the game, wouldnt another trading point arise in its place?

Yes, but all those assets are still stuck in Jita.

[two4two]

This reminds me of irc channel takeovers in the 90s. Eventually they'll get lazy or bored.. though maybe not. Eve is made up of some crazy dedicated people.

[CHEEZMO™]

http://tnt.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13213060
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13213071

Ouch.

And someone in the chat said they've took out thousands of ships so far.

[Oblivionmancer]

So wait if they are blocking off the biggest trading point in the game, wouldnt another trading point arise in its place?

It absolutely could, yes, but the reality is that this will probably end in a few days time and things will go back to (essentially) normal, except that prices will skyrocket for a while, and the goons are undoubtedly well positioned to take advantage of that.

As for the mittani being a horrible guy, the other half of the story is that this happened at a fan event where it is pretty much taken for granted that people get totally fucked-up drunk, which he did, and then he said some stupid shit, which was still, ultimately, shit about an avatar in a computer game. It's not like he was giving out the guy's email, phone number, or home address. Doesn't make it okay, which he fully acknowledged, but don't confuse the accounts of people in game who hated him long before he went on a silly drunken tirade for the whole story.

[MuseManMike]

Eve Online is by far the most interesting sounding MMO, and yet still one I'd never want to play.

My thoughts exactly.

[Derrick01]

I'll never play EVE, but I'm so glad the game exists. As a casual observer, it's gripping stuff. Thank you for posting this, OP.

It really is amazing to read. I'd love to try and get into it but apparently the gaf guild is all but dead so I'd have no one I'm comfortable around to help ease me in to it.

[Loxley]

I honestly hope some day someone writes a book about EVE Online, talking about stuff like this. As a lover of MMO's I find it fascinating. You could almost do a case study on it about digital economies and the like.

This really isn't hurting the game, you know. Jita isn't some static location that CCP made a market hub. The PLAYERS made that location important. Jita is also far from being the only major market hub in New Eden.

I love how open CCP is to letting players completely take control of things like that.

[darkwing]

eh there are plenty of other economic hubs, sucks for players who have their stuff in Jita though

[Starfish_Oxide]

Is there any youtube EVE "news" channel?

[OpinionatedCyborg]

I would love to play EVE, but it would take over my life. I wish there were other sandbox MMORPGs (with economies, politics, etc. controlled ENTIRELY by the players) with a shorter barrier entry... but EVE has the right idea. WoW and other similar MMORPGs never appealed to me because your actions are essentially meaningless. Skyrim suffered the same fate. I want my choices and actions to have a lasting effect on the game world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0M7jkv3xkQ

watching this video really makes me want to play it.

[Jintor]

I still think the Guiding Hands Social Club assassination was by far my favourite EVE story.

Is there any youtube EVE "news" channel?

I'd love a news podcast.

[Ether_Snake]

CCCP should make weekly "news reports" as if it was made from inside the EVE Online world itself.

[Dug]

So I'm watching this stream, and damn this soundtrack is good!

[HiddenWings]

... Wait, what ?! Oh gosh, Goonswarm strikes again... In D&D terms, I don't think I would be mistaken to call them Chaotic Evil.

It's kind of hard to have a chaotic evil organization, since they tend to fall apart under all of the backstabbing and evilness.

On second thought, maybe it does fit.

[KittenMaster]

I don't play Eve, follow it, or play MMOs in general, but stories surrounding it are always fascinating and entertaining.

While nowhere near the same size as this, I have seen pretty insane stuff in other games. Back in RO, I remember that some powerful guilds united and, to take down the most powerful guild in the server, sent a girl to make the guild master fall in love with her. The whole thing went pretty far, I think she even moved in with him and stuff. She broke up with him and the guy went into depression and disbanded the guild. It was insane. MMOs are serious business, heh

Yikes! That's a diabolical plot worthy of a spy villain.

[~Kinggi~]

So I'm watching this stream, and damn this soundtrack is good!

Eve music is best music

[pulsemyne]

Okay then Lets set things straight about eve. Firstly I've played the game for nearing seven years so I really have been to a lot of parts of the eve universe.
Jita is eve's main trading hub. Everyone trades there or has an Alt character who trades there. If there's money to be made trading then you'll make it in Jita. A typical day in Jita see's the number of players in local vary at about 800 to well over a 1000. It's a very busy place. It's also largely based around just one station in jita (there's quite a few stations in the system). That station is Caldari navy 4-4. Trying to undock a big ass freighter and align for the warp out is a pain due to the amount of people bumping and barging each other. SO basically if you want to hit eve where it hurts then Jita is the place.

Goon's. Goon's are the largest member of a super alliance known as the Cluster Fuck Coalition (or CFC for short). Lately the CFC (of which I am a member in) have been going around reclaiming our old space and kicking two major alliances in the balls in the process. While the CFC is probably the largest super alliance in the game that doesn't mean that we control all of the 0.0 space in eve. We don't. Simply put eve is way too big for a single entity to control. So you have major alliances such as Northern Coalition., Against All Authorities, IRC (the goons favorite alliance to beat up on ) and many others. We all battle each other for resources etc. Really though we fight each other for the fun of it. And also because in Eve players and Alliances Hold grudges against each other. Big grudges. It can get very personal as well. Oh and for shits and giggles look at local chat when a goon fleet is in a system.

Meta-gaming. Eve online is by far and away the king for meta-gaming. The shear amount of shit people will do to each other is amazing. Spying for example is a big part of eve. Everyone spies on everyone else and measures are taking to reduce the amount of spies in an alliance. Spies are used for all sorts of things, from gaining access to someones forums to listening in on someones mumble or teamspeak during operations. You can even do things like sabotaging a fleet so that the people your working for get the jump on them. Hell people have even warped of fleets to unknown spies only to see that fleet hotdropped and squashed like a bug. People have even been offered out of game cash payments for hitting the "Disband alliance" button. It's a very very ruthless place.

It isn't WOW. Losing a ship on eve is like someone stamping on your balls. It may have taken you weeks of hard work to save up for a super expensive ship only for it to die in a blaze of glory. You then have to start saving up for one all over again. Insurance can pay some of the cost but not all of it. Every time you die you lose money and money is your blood in eve.

Fleet fights. The one thing people generally like in eve is big ass space battles. I've been in quite a few of the really big ones and, if the server is behaving itself, they can be awesome. Probably the largest one I was in that was was playable involved about 1400 to 1500 people. Normally lag kills fleet fights of this size but sometimes you get lucky. The largest number of people in a single system was over 3000 people (I was there for that one, I did have an epic picture of thousands of ships surround a POS at one time) but noone could fire anything due to the crazy lag. However Lag is no longer a huge problem due to CCP being quite clever and introducing Time Dilation *tidi". Basically the more people you cram into a system for the fight then more time will slow down. This helps the server out a lot and stops people crashing or lagging out. The CFC was very happy about this as it allows us to use our numbers.

Propaganda. Yes alliances have their own masters of spin. If things look grim for your alliance then the spinning will commence. If things look good for your alliance then....the spinning will commence. Eve players love to talk up their alliance and talk the others down. It can also be damn funny at times.

Personalities. There are a number of well known players in eve. They are known for various reasons. Some lead the major alliances, other are stupidly rich, others meanwhile are just plain stupid. For Example The Mitanni leads (not an accurate title really) Goonswarm, Chribba is fantastically rich and pilots an infamous ship (the Veldnaught) which goes about mining veldspar. It's a dreadnaught class vessel turned into a mining ship roaming around high security space. It's a ship doing something it shouldn't do in a region of space where it shouldn't be.

[CHEEZMO™]

Paragraph that shit, son.

[picklecannon]

Couldn't all of the other non-goon guilds go out and destroy their base now or something? I don't know how eve works but if all of their players are launching an all out attack in Jita just go take over their base.

[Nessus]

CCP should really work on a spectator interface that allows them to succinctly sum up all of the events in game for non players to entice them to join.

[Conciliator]

CCP should really work on a spectator interface that allows them to succinctly sum up all of the events in game for non players to entice them to join.

Yeah, that would be really cool.

I don't have anything to contribute that hasn't be said, suffice it to say that it's so great that EVE exists, and it's really interesting hearing about what happens and then comparing/contrasting that with what happens in economics and sociology in real-life.

[∀ Narayan]

Lately the CFC (of which I am a member in) have been going around reclaiming our old space and kicking two major alliances in the balls in the process.

Space bros!

[Mgoblue201]

I'm also in the camp of people who would really like to try this. I like the look of the game, and I'm interested in the concept. Complexity isn't enough to deter me unless it begins to feel overwhelming.

[soultron]

EVE is a game I've always wanted to try, but it just seems that it's a huge time sink. I don't really have time for something like that. The complexity of things doesn't really scare me at all, just the time.

Stuff like this is fascinating. This is the stuff that proves MMOs as good models for case studies and such.

[24FrameDaVinci]

This game creates such incredible drama, I wish I actually played it. Rock on and let the tears flow like fucking wine.

[Spat_triate]

[CHEEZMO™]

Yeah, this was insane.

Just spent the last 5 minutes watching massive non-stop torpedo explosions.

[~Kinggi~]

Damn son, WAR!@!!

[CHEEZMO™]

And now:



I think CONCORD are pissed!

[odd_morsel]

I totally don't get what happened between those two pictures

A bunch of Goonswarm were wiped out?

[bangai-o]

so did the Jita ship equip more turrets when they heard they were coming?

[Haly]

EVE is what all MMOs should aspire to be.

Devs talking about "personal stories" and "ever changing world" are just blowing smoke, compared to the endless possibilities of EVE.

That said I quit the game a long time ago and have no desire to return, unless one day they decide to implement a real combat system.

[Majukun]

remember me about that other MMORPG where one time,players teamed up to take down what was basically the god of the game

and they did it.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

So, basically these guys are the Troll Ferengi?

[Fourman]

I always enjoy hearing the stories that come out of EVE. I had quite a bit of fun playing it also but I never got far because of the learning curve and I didn't haven enough time.

[Esura]

I....don't know what I'm looking at right here. Are those supposed to be ships or floating debris?