[shinra-bansho]

Every GOW home console game has been March, I believe, so I'm expecting the same for GOW:A.

If this has really been in development since Uncharted 2 came out, it's believable. Although waiting for official confirmation of course - maybe E3 will have a blowout.

[Loudninja]

I thought I read GOW:A is a Q1 (probably March) 2013 game?

Nothing official, same with The Last of US.

[UrbanRats]

If we are to believe these rumors, GTAV would come out October this year, and Last of Us this September.
Factor in all the other titles that are actually confirmed to come out in 2012 and you have an Holiday season far too packed with stuff.

[Haunted]

Dont worry, they were too busy drilling for oil in Alberta and polluting.

Well, I did say some smart people.

Makes sense for me. When I want to know the date the month is the most important piece of information. There's so many better ways to insult Americans than this.

What the hell, it doesn't make any fucking sense. High time you guys adopt the international standard instead of lagging behind like this, tbh.

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Why?

I would say it's because I grew up in America, but that can't be it because our customary system for units still makes absolutely no sense to me. It really comes down to what I already said, getting the most important information out there first. If you care to bear with me, I'll give you some good ole American logic.

There are three pieces of information in a date, and out of those the month is the most important since there is a great deal of difference between each month. When you tell me the day of the month first I don't really get a whole lot out of that. If the first bit of information I get is "17" that tells me next to nothing. Having the month stated first then the date is more efficient for the mind, I would reckon that when most people outside the US read a date they subconsciously see the month and then go back and add the day of the month to that, jsut like aynone can eaisly raed wrods taht aernt seplled crroectly beacuse tehy subcnoisusly put it toegther.

I understand the rest of the world's logic to put it in ascending order or scale (days are shorter than months are shorter than years). But then why don't you read the time as 40:7 instead of 7:40? To me its the same concept as to why we use the QWERTY keyboard instead of an alphabetical one.

There you go, good ole American logic for you!

[Loudninja]

Annie Wersching join the Last Of Us family

Alright, Naughty Dog fans, go follow @Wersching, who kicked all sorts of ass this week as the newest member of The Last of Us family.

https://twitter.com/#!/Neil_Druckmann

[Vilam]

Why? How does that make sense? If I'm giving someone a date to the level of specificity of the month: 09/2012. If I'm specifying the day: 11/09 or 11/09/2012 - how does it make more sense to write: 09/11/2012.

"Hey, what's today's date?"
"It's April 29th 2012!"
Great!

"Hey, what's today's date?"
"It's the 29th of April 2012!"
Nope, this sounds awkward.

Write the way you speak.

[shinra-bansho]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

I say both the 29th [of] April and April 29th.

I don't see how either is awkward. And I don't see how it applies to number order, no one writes 29/April/2012 nor April/29/2012.

I still don't see the logic in the American date system (despite the explanation above). This all be rather OT now I guess.

[DaBuddaDa]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

Right, quantitative ordering isn't necessarily the best way to communicate data. The month qualifies the specific day number and is important to relay first. It's also easier to sort in a meaningful way in a spreadsheet with the month coming first.

[namDa65]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

This!

[CorrisD]

If we are to believe these rumors, GTAV would come out October this year, and Last of Us this September. Factor in all the other titles that are actually confirmed to come out in 2012 and you have an Holiday season far too packed with stuff.

Nothing new really, feels like it is less packed than last year for me at the moment but I'm sure E3 will change that.

Most years are packed, this one doesn't seem any different, I would be shocked if this wasn't a big release season considering this is possibly the last Christmas before we will have all three new consoles out there together and developers are getting their current gen games out before starting to move onto developing for next-gen.

[Seventy_X_Seven]

I say both the 29th [of] April and April 29th. I don't see how either is awkward. And I don't see how it applies to number order, no one writes 29/April/2012 nor April/29/2012. I still don't see the logic in the American date system (despite the explanation above). This all be rather OT now I guess.

This whole thread really served no point from the beginning (woohoo a placeholder!) so might as well try to get some interesting conversation/debate going while we can ;-)

[pseudocaesar]

Saying the Day first always makes more sense. Picture it like this:


Anyway, in regards to a realease date.. il take that rumour as rubbish, but I would love for it to come out sooner rather than later of course.

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

In real life.
''Hey, what's today's date?''

''29th.''

[Chuck Norris]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

Here in 'merica we write the way we speak, why put in that extra u! That's too hard! And we measure by the length of our feet, the length between our nose and thumb, and how far an ox can pull a cart! That's the logical way!

[Seventy_X_Seven]

In real life. ''Hey, what's today's date?'' ''29th.''

That's assuming the month. And I suppose that's another reason for the American dating convention. Most the time the year is assumed so there is no huge difference between writing 29/4 or 4/29 (other than the fact that 4/29 makes more sense since 4 is the "subject" and 29 is the details). Then when we need to add the year for further specificity we just tack it on at the end.

Kind of makes me wonder, the language in which we are all speaking right now makes no sense by this logic. When describing things we list all the adjectives first and then state the noun. Makes much more sense to do it like every other language on this planet and flip it. (yes I'm really getting off topic now)

[TheVampire]

...another bunch of confusion cause by the US having a dumb as fuck dating convention.

Yeah its so backwards and allways confuses me.

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Here in 'merica we write the way we speak, why put in that extra u! That's too hard! And we measure by the length of our feet, the length between our nose and thumb, and how far an ox can pull a cart! That's the logical way!

In total fairness, all of these conventions were created in England so blame them for the poor logic and blame the US for adopting it and sticking with it.

Though using the [average] length of our feet is actually a completely logical way to measure distance, makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is how we scaled it (3 feat to a yard? A nice round 5,280 feet to a mile?). Ideally feet should be a base unit and then have centifeet and kilofeet. I mean what the heck is the meter even based off of?

[reptilescorpio]

I would love for it to be this close to release! Not getting my hopes up though on a retailer date.

In real life. ''Hey, what's today's date?'' ''29th.''

We seem to get around fine over here too like that. Sometimes I will go to the effort of saying "29th. Of March." Most of the time people can generally remember which 12th of the year they are in though, not hard to pay attention.

I do use feet for the height of a person though, no idea why. Everything else though seems easier in metric.

[Green Yoshi]

I don't think that it will release this year. Naughty Dog isn't a big studio like UbiSoft Montreal and Uncharted 3 is only a few month old.

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

That's assuming the month. And I suppose that's another reason for the American dating convention. Most the time the year is assumed so there is no huge difference between writing 29/4 or 4/29 (other than the fact that 4/29 makes more sense since 4 is the "subject" and 29 is the details). Then when we need to add the year for further specificity we just tack it on at the end.

Next time you are at a shop, bank or in any other formal face to face situation ask for the date, the most common thing to get is the day 'Sunday' or the number of the day '29th', people will assume you know the year and month since they change much less then the day does.

[blitzcloud]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

yes, but when writing dates, imagine you're writing where you live in order of magnitude

31/03/2012. Day 31 of Month 3 of year 2012. Like you would make this order of magnitude: Barcelona- Spain- EuropeNot Spain-Barcelona-Europe.

EDIT: Also, if we think about the time thing aswell, and why it's 6:40 and not 40:6


My guess is that the order should be because of the relevance of the information. It's important to know what hour you're in before knowing the precise minute (and second). Same as to why it's more important to know the day than the month and year.

However, you give a valid explanation of the date format being like that to adapt to the way you write. I hope someday I'll understand aswell why you dont use the metric system.

[Loudninja]

I don't think that it will release this year. Naughty Dog isn't a big studio like UbiSoft Montreal and Uncharted 3 is only a few month old.

Huh?ND has 2 full teams now.

One was working on this game during the development of UC3.

[Antioch]

I don't think that it will release this year. Naughty Dog isn't a big studio like UbiSoft Montreal and Uncharted 3 is only a few month old.

They split into two separate teams when Uncharted 2 was finished, so The Last of Us has been in development since then.

[Ravage]

I don't think that it will release this year. Naughty Dog isn't a big studio like UbiSoft Montreal and Uncharted 3 is only a few month old.

They have 2 teams now. The one working on TLoU is different from the UC3 team.

[Durante]

The only way anyone should write dates on the internet is ISO 8601.
This one would be 2012-09-11.
No potential for confusion, and sorts correctly with a lexicographic sort.

[Zeer0id]

EBGames.ca uses DD/MM/YYYY, so this is September 11th.


Interesting choice of date... November 9th seems like it'd be more likely from a timing perspective, but who knows.

edit: I love what this thread has become, LOL

[Mithos]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

And the way you speak is different in different countries.

Your first example might sound great in English, but in Swedish to use that order just sound awkward, and so we use day/month and last year. Maybe Canada does the same because of the french language?

[Zeer0id]

And the way you speak is different in different countries. Your first example might sound great in English, but in Swedish to use that order just sound awkward, and so we use day/month and last year. Maybe Canada does the same because of the french language?

Canada actually does it all three ways, so it's the most fucked up country for dates by far. EBGames is idiotic for choosing the DD/MM/YY route, as YY/MM/DD is less ambiguous and the more commonly accepted formatting here.

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Next time you are at a shop, bank or in any other formal face to face situation ask for the date, the most common thing to get is the day 'Sunday' or the number of the day '29th', people will assume you know the year and month since they change much less then the day does.

But that's more your everyday talk which it's fine to assume the month or even the week. But when talking about planning events and such you can't assume that. You can always pretty much assume the year the vast majority of the time.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Going into the fray against Halo 4? Could it work?

No. Even Halo 4 launching in November is gutsy, for a new IP like this it's just crazy.

[Rygar 8 Bit]

september 11th is a sunday this year do games come out in canada on sundays usually?

[Seventy_X_Seven]

EDIT: Also, if we think about the time thing aswell, and why it's 6:40 and not 40:6 My guess is that the order should be because of the relevance of the information. It's important to know what hour you're in before knowing the precise minute (and second). Same as to why it's more important to know the day than the month and year.

You just hit on exactly why America uses their dating format and then made the wrong equivalent. Like you said, it's more important to know what hour you're in before knowing the precise minute. That parallels to: it's more important to know the month you are in before knowing the precise day.

september 11th is a sunday this year do games come out in canada on sundays usually?

September 11th is a Tuesday this year. Thank God we all use the same method for dividing dates into weeks.

[Rygar 8 Bit]

oh never mind i was way off

[EagleEyes]

What the hell, it doesn't make any fucking sense. High time you guys adopt the international standard instead of lagging behind like this, tbh.

Lagging behind, haha. I love the internet sometimes.

[Kinyou]

"Hey, what's today's date?" "It's April 29th 2012!" Great! "Hey, what's today's date?" "It's the 29th of April 2012!" Nope, this sounds awkward. Write the way you speak.

"Hey what day is it?"

"4th of July"


...

[Seventy_X_Seven]

"Hey what day is it?" "4th of July" ...

The one day of the year we act like everyone else

. . . while celebrating our independence :P

[Pezking]

At least it would be a smart release date, considering the other fall release dates:

04.09. Far Cry 3
11.09. The Last of Us
25.09. Dead or Alive 5
02.10. Resident Evil 6
16.10. Bioshock Infinite
23.10. Medal of Honor: Warfighter
30.10. Assassin's Creed 3
06.11. Halo 4
13.11. New Call of Duty (the last CODs were always released on the 2nd tuesday in November)

I'm gonna take a wild guess and suppose "Tomb Raider" will be released on Oct. 9th.

[TheBigG753]

God, I hope not.

I mean, I really want this game, but the fall lineup is already loaded (and this is before taking into account Wii U and whatever is launching with that).

[NoctisLuna]

Doubt its this year.

[Log4Girlz]

My brain, what is left of it for some reason read the title as Last Guardian. Damn :/

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

At least it would be a smart release date, considering the other fall release dates: 04.09. Far Cry 3 11.09. The Last of Us 25.09. Dead or Alive 5 02.10. Resident Evil 6 16.10. Bioshock Infinite 23.10. Medal of Honor: Warfighter 30.10. Assassin's Creed 3 06.11. Halo 4 13.11. New Call of Duty (the last CODs were always released on the 2nd tuesday in November)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chkhOYBdgro

[UrbanRats]

At least it would be a smart release date, considering the other fall release dates: 04.09. Far Cry 3 11.09. The Last of Us 25.09. Dead or Alive 5 02.10. Resident Evil 6 16.10. Bioshock Infinite 23.10. Medal of Honor: Warfighter 26.10. Grand Theft Auto V 30.10. Assassin's Creed 3 02.11. Tomb Raider 9 06.11. Halo 4 13.11. New Call of Duty (the last CODs were always released on the 2nd tuesday in November) 20.11. The Last Guardian 26.11. Half Life 3 I'm gonna take a wild guess and suppose "Tomb Raider" will be released on Oct. 9th.

Tomb Raider in not confirmed for 2012, is it?
Fixed the list, anyway.

[RoboPlato]

At least it would be a smart release date, considering the other fall release dates: 04.09. Far Cry 3 11.09. The Last of Us 25.09. Dead or Alive 5 02.10. Resident Evil 6 16.10. Bioshock Infinite 23.10. Medal of Honor: Warfighter 30.10. Assassin's Creed 3 06.11. Halo 4 13.11. New Call of Duty (the last CODs were always released on the 2nd tuesday in November) I'm gonna take a wild guess and suppose "Tomb Raider" will be released on Oct. 9th.

Agreed. This date would be a great fit for it.

[Zoibie]

If the game really was just over 4 months away, surely we would have seen more of it by now.

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Agreed. This date would be a great fit for it.

2 weeks all alone in the hype zone, MS's poor decision with Halo makes this the perfect date to launch.

If the game really was just over 4 months away, I would have thought we would have seen more of it by now.

They seem to be doing what Nintendo tried a few years ago, announce, show some bits, go dark and be out not to long after.

Since its a horror game they really should hold most stuff back.

[Inorigo]

If it's coming out this year, it almost has to be that date. It'd get slaughtered in October and it's chances would probably only be slightly better in November.

People are talking about it like it's this major release with a wealth of clout. Sure! To the hard core.

I love ND to death, but honestly: their name doesn't mean shit at retail. This is a new IP; Sony's gonna put it out as early as possible in the holiday season, if they want it out this holiday season.

[Derrick01]

Was expecting mostly discussion on the november date and how crazy that is but instead got a bunch of euros trying to impose their "correct" way of doing things.

Anyway as stated that's insane. It will get crushed by COD and Halo. Even Assassin's Creed had the sense to bail the hell out of november.

[Zoibie]

They seem to be doing what Nintendo tried a few years ago, announce, show some bits, go dark and be out not to long after. Since its a horror game they really should hold most stuff back.

I would love it if that's what Sony were doing with the TLoU, but considering this is the next game from 'the critically and commercially acclaimed developers of Uncharted', I don't know why they'd keep quiet about it.

[thcsquad]

Have they said when development on The Last of Us began? I.e. how feasible is this date. Why? How does that make sense? If I'm giving someone a date to the level of specificity of the month: 09/2012. If I'm specifying the day: 11/09 or 11/09/2012 - how does it make more sense to write: 09/11/2012.

The way that makes the most sense to me is general-to-specific: year-month-day. This makes ordering (say, for filenames on a computer) 100% natural.

Asian countries, Hungary, Sweden and the US armed forces

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calenda...ting_with_year ) FTW!