[GhostTrick]

Who are you talking about, who are you talking to, what are you talking about?

Lot of reviewers. Not only US but French too.

[elrechazado]

Lot of reviewers. Not only US but French too.

Can you link to one of this large number of bad reviewers who gave a ten game a two?

mad bonus points for the quotes from them about how it makes them cool. It obviously happens all the time since you're so outraged by the practice.

[bon]

I don't get it! Why are people people leaving negative comments on my intentionally inflammatory video? Fanboys are crazy!!

[GhostTrick]

Can you link to one of this large number of bad reviewers who gave a ten game a two?

It was a sort of exageration. I don't remind any review where a man gave a 10 and an other one a 2.
But I remember for exemple Portal 2 getting a 7/10 on Gamekult for exemple.

[Exterminieren]

I feel I should clarify; I like what Yahtzee does, and think that he doesn't have a particular bias against Nintendo aside from a distaste for the general direction of the company, which undoubtedly influences his opinions somewhat.

I just think that if a game reviewer sets out to be deliberately provocative, you can't really be surprised when people are provoked, particularly with a fanbase as voracious and currently-starved as Nintendo's.

Oh, and blind Yahtzee fanboys are precisely no better than fanboys of any other stripe.

[Para bailar La Bomba]

Reviews are supposed to be objective. You can criticize, but criticize doesn't mean to say foolish things

"Foolish things" = "stuff I don't agree with and for some irrational reason I take personally".

[udivision]

Xbox 360 fanboys are the last remaining respectable bunch. Nintendo fans and Sony fans shamed themselves with the 8.8 and 8.5 respectively.

[elrechazado]

It was a sort of exageration. I don't remind any review where a man gave a 10 and an other one a 2. But I remember for exemple Portal 2 getting a 7/10 on Gamekult for exemple.

Ok, so we were setting up strawmen and knocking them down. And why is it not ok that someone gave portal 2 a 7/10?

Do you require everything in life to march in lockstep with the prevailing taste consensus?

[animlboogy]

Can you link to one of this large number of bad reviewers who gave a ten game a two? mad bonus points for the quotes from them about how it makes them cool. It obviously happens all the time since you're so outraged by the practice.

Maybe he's just having flashbacks to the Insert Credit generation of writers?

But they didn't even use scores, if I remember correctly.

I can't think of any good examples.

[EatChildren]

As you said, all fanboys are bad. Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft/Pickle fanboys. Every fanboys.

Right. All I'm saying is when you poke the hives, the one with the big red N tends to buzz loudest.

Did you hate on Star Fox Adventures or something?

I gave Epic Mickey a lower than expected score, and I was one of the first reviews on the net, accidentally breaking our embargo by a few hours. It was posted everywhere and in typical fanboy fashion was argued and dismissed by cretinous fanatics on the major forums.

[PKrockin]

Haven't people stopped watching this guy by now? It's the same thing over and over, especially when it comes to Nintendo games. Bag on Nintendo, bag on motion/3D, bag on the fanboys, maybe mention a game mechanic or two. I mean, it was funny a couple years ago...

[Aaron Strife]

You really don't like this guy. What did he ever do to you?

He strapped me to a chair, held me in his basement and forced me to play only Silent Hill 2 for six years.

It was okay.

[GhostTrick]

"Foolish things" = "stuff I don't agree with and for some irrational reason I take personally".

Or simply things that are wrong.

[PinkCrayon]

Why do nintendo fanboys even watch his stuff? They know he's just going to shit on it.

[animlboogy]

It was a sort of exageration. I don't remind any review where a man gave a 10 and an other one a 2. But I remember for exemple Portal 2 getting a 7/10 on Gamekult for exemple.

A 7/10. That's enough to get suspicions of a writer going contrary to the majority opinion.

A 7/10.

You're what's wrong with gaming journalism. You're the audience the big outlets have to pander to. And it's why people like me can't trust trust their work.

[Exterminieren]

Xbox 360 fanboys are the last remaining respectable bunch. Nintendo fans and Sony fans shamed themselves with the 8.8 and 8.5 respectively.

Fanboys and respectable are, for better or worse, entirely alien concepts to each other.

Tribally sticking to any given company or individual automatically sets you apart, whether you have petty, review-based explosions.

Besides, that's because 360 has no decent exclusives to get passionate about.

joking oh god joking please don't kill me

[Don'tBeWeird]

Which seems to be what Yahtzee is going for, cuz then people are reminded he still exists and stuff. I can't blame him for grabbing a ball and running with it.

You're right. It's all a conspiracy. He's deliberately targeting Nintendo fans by ripping into Nintendo games for hits. I mean, all his non-Ninty reviews are all so positive and full of praise, right?

Get a grip.

[Chuckpebble]

Why do nintendo fanboys even watch his stuff? They know he's just going to shit on it.

You don't really understand fanboys though. They HAVE to watch. They must defend their beloved from any and all attacks.

[Criminal Upper]

You're right. It's all a conspiracy. He's deliberately targeting Nintendo fans by ripping into Nintendo games for hits. I mean, all his non-Ninty reviews are all so positive and full of praise, right? Get a grip.

lol have you been reading this thread at all?

[rpmurphy]

I think you really would have had to tone the game down a lot to make it work properly with button controls for the ground segments.

Even as it is, I think it would play much better with the Wii Remote, although it might be worse at controlling the camera especially at the pace of the ground game. With the extra buttons, it would be a lot easier to select and use the powerups, and they could design it to separate melee and ranged attacks (and dedicating a button to zooming/camera toggle). There is just way too much going on for the DS control scheme.

[nckillthegrimace]

I gave Epic Mickey a lower than expected score, and I was one of the first reviews on the net, accidentally breaking our embargo by a few hours. It was posted everywhere and in typical fanboy fashion was argued and dismissed by cretinous fanatics on the major forums.

So what you're saying is that you're unscrupulous as well as bias. I'll never read PALGN ever again!

[GhostTrick]

Ok, so we were setting up strawmen and knocking them down. And why is it not ok that someone gave portal 2 a 7/10? Do you require everything in life to march in lockstep with the prevailing taste consensus?

Another exemple: Assassin's Creed 2 getting 4,5/10 by Destructoid.
Or another exemple from destructoid, giving Mario Kart 7 a 5 because "they're recycling things" while giving Call of.Duty MW3 a 9,5 and claiming it's innovative.

[elrechazado]

A 7/10. That's enough to get suspicions of a writer going contrary to the majority opinion. A 7/10. You're what's wrong with gaming journalism. You're the audience the big outlets have to pander to. And it's why people like me can't trust trust their work.

Amen

[Derrick01]

I've been on the receiving end of viscous keyboard warrior Nintendo fanatics. All sides are bad, but in this age of the internet, I've found pissing off the Nintendo loons generates more backlash and attention than any.

From years of watching I'd have to agree. They can be borderline insane sometimes and explode at the smallest mention of zelda being stale or mario being for kids.

[butanebob]

Bless you Ben, you're one of the few honest reviewers left.

[animlboogy]

Haven't people stopped watching this guy by now? It's the same thing over and over, especially when it comes to Nintendo games. Bag on Nintendo, bag on motion/3D, bag on the fanboys, maybe mention a game mechanic or two. I mean, it was funny a couple years ago...

As I previously stated, I'm more than willing to deal with poor design choices and such if it means I get an overall experience I like. Yatzhee clearly doesn't feel that way about the kinds of concessions Nintendo has to make in the post-DS/Wii era, and that's a valid opinion. You don't have to like his sense of humor, I just don't understand why people can just say "BIASED AGAINST NINTENDO" as if that means anything outside the playground. He has no reason to just be biased out of nowhere. He's giving you reasons; he thinks motion control is too fidgety and it adversely affects games. That is a valid opinion. I agree with it, even though I like motion control; I just value the freshness of some of those experiences while he values precision much more.

[farnham]

i stopped watching him ages ago

he pretty much shits on every game there is disregarding genre, developer, publisher and platform

sure he sometimes has some positive reviews but they are so few and far between that its almost a nonfactor

i just understood that his reviews are not to be taken seriously and moved on.

[udivision]

A 7/10. That's enough to get suspicions of a writer going contrary to the majority opinion. A 7/10. You're what's wrong with gaming journalism. You're the audience the big outlets have to pander to. And it's why people like me can't trust trust their work.

Couple that with 8.5 and 8.8 and it's quite obvious that you speak the truth.

[Criminal Upper]

From years of watching I'd have to agree. They can be borderline insane sometimes and explode at the smallest mention of zelda being stale or mario being for kids.

Which, again, is something that can be said if you tell a huge god of war fan that god of war 4 looks stale and boring, or that Uncharted is a mindless shooter that rips off Indiana Jones.

See? You can do that with any fans of any franchise. I think what seperates Nintendo fans, is that many gamers grew up with these franchises, and love them just as much now as they did when they were kids. There's a lot more dedication and passion for that, over some series like Crysis or Mass Effect.

[EloquentM]

I think its silly to say any group of fans are worse than another. when anyone gets passionate about something and they feel the need to defend it they're likely to act irrationally. besides, I'm not sure how one could go about giving evidence to such a theory to begin with?

[GhostTrick]

A 7/10. That's enough to get suspicions of a writer going contrary to the majority opinion. A 7/10. You're what's wrong with gaming journalism. You're the audience the big outlets have to pander to. And it's why people like me can't trust trust their work.

Amen

The wrong thing with journalism is all those guys giving low score because the game is bad. No, because it was hyped, or because other websites gave it good score... or because this is against the general opinion.

[rCIZZLE]

A 7/10. That's enough to get suspicions of a writer going contrary to the majority opinion. A 7/10. You're what's wrong with gaming journalism. You're the audience the big outlets have to pander to. And it's why people like me can't trust trust their work.

If I didn't grow up in the internet age where every game gets a 9.5 I would have thought a 7/10 was decent. Hell, I'd give most of the games I purchase a 7/10. It's a score that suggests the game gets most right but has room for improvement, whether that be through patches or sequels.

Any time I look at reviews outside of the (sometimes overhyped) GAF threads, I always look for the lowest one to find reasons I may feel buyer's remorse if I take the plunge.

[elrechazado]

The wrong thing with journalism is all those guys giving low score because the game is bad. No, because it was hyped, or because other websites gave it good score... or because this is against the general opinion.

You are the slave to the prevailing taste consensus who wants to destroy anyone who doesn't march in lockstep, not us.

If I didn't grow up in the internet age where every game gets a 9.5 I would have thought a 7/10 was decent. Hell, I'd give most of the games I purchase a 7/10. It's a score that suggests the game gets most right but has room for improvement, whether that be through patches or sequels. Any time I look at reviews outside of the (sometimes overhyped) GAF threads, I always look for the lowest one to find reasons I may feel buyer's remorse if I take the plunge.

Don't tell ghosttrick. You just agree with the 7/10 out of desire for shock value and attention.

[EatChildren]

So what you're saying is that you're unscrupulous as well as bias. I'll never read PALGN ever again!

We all left PALGN so good! Don't read it!

From years of watching I'd have to agree. They can be borderline insane sometimes and explode at the smallest mention of zelda being stale or mario being for kids.

Kinda this, yeah. Obviously all the mental Xbox/Sony/Nintendo console warriors are bad, and you get equally disturbing, viscous shit from all three. Nintendo fans aren't worse in that respect. They're all equally capable and almost all kick up a similar stink.

But in terms of quantity of complaints, the quicker response, and rate it spreads, it's usually worse with the Nintendo crowd. I don't know if this is because this particular fanbase is maybe more active in online gaming communities than the others, representing a larger share, or maybe because there's bigger fansites dedicated exclusively to Nintendo platforms versus the others. I have no idea why, but when you piss them off you're guaranteed to hear about it very, very quickly, and hear about it from everywhere.

The Yahtzee incident is kinda unsympathetic though. You'd have thought people would have gotten used to and over his shtick by now. Yet every time he's dismissive of a game people really like, the internet is set on fire.

[Orayn]

From years of watching I'd have to agree. They can be borderline insane sometimes and explode at the smallest mention of zelda being stale or mario being for kids.

Mario is for kids in addition to teenagers, adults, and old people.

[Supermanisdead]

Another exemple: Assassin's Creed 2 getting 4,5/10 by Destructoid. Or another exemple from destructoid, giving Mario Kart 7 a 5 because "they're recycling things" while giving Call of.Duty MW3 a 9,5 and claiming it's innovative.

I'm reminded of that awful Venture Beat review for Skyward Sword where the reviewer spent much of the first page saying: "Twilight Princess sucked. I checked Metacritic and it has a 94. I can't believe everyone is so blinded by Nintendo. Nintendo sucks."

[outunderthestars]

Yahtzee only annoys me when he gets on his pedestal to bitch about Nintendo and their fans. Whether you like the games or not, whatever. (And yeah, fanboys are just the worst lot of people, so I'll give him that. But it's universal)

No, I honestly feel like Nintendo have the most rabid base of hardcore fanatics. They have an almost religious devotion to that company.

[Para bailar La Bomba]

Or simply things that are wrong.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason you've posted so many times in this thread.

[rpmurphy]

Which, again, is something that can be said if you tell a huge god of war fan that god of war 4 looks stale and boring, or that Uncharted is a mindless shooter that rips off Indiana Jones. See? You can do that with any fans of any franchise. I think what seperates Nintendo fans, is that many gamers grew up with these franchises, and love them just as much now as they did when they were kids. There's a lot more dedication and passion for that, over some series like Crysis or Mass Effect.

People got really defensive on the GoW4 thread about the previewer complaining that it's too gory for him. I found that to be pretty amusing.

[Quadraphonic]

Mario is for kids in addition to teenagers, adults, and old people.

Case in point. You can't let an insult rest, regardless of how jovial it is.

[Criminal Upper]

People got really defensive on the GoW4 thread about the previewer complaining that it's too gory for him. I found that to be pretty amusing.

holy shit, really?

[GhostTrick]

You are the slave to the prevailing taste consensus who wants to destroy anyone who doesn't march in lockstep, not us. Don't tell ghosttrick. You just agree with the 7/10 out of desire for shock value and attention.

So because everyone love it, it's overated ? Lol.
You're one of those guys who think they're a sort of elit because they have different taste ? Good for you.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason you've posted so many times in this thread.

Yep. It's like saying bicycle is faster than a car.

[Jintor]

No, he's shitted on plenty of games I've liked. But I if I am looking for an opinion on a game, I'll hold his opinions in greater esteem than the people who think his opinions count for nothing.

Alright, that's an opinion I can get behind.

[Orayn]

Case in point. You can't let an insult rest, regardless of how jovial it is.

My comment was nothing if not jovial! Derrick and I do this all the time, and I'm largely agreeing with him - Mario games are generally great games for kids.

[animlboogy]

I think what seperates Nintendo fans, is that many gamers grew up with these franchises, and love them just as much now as they did when they were kids. There's a lot more dedication and passion for that, over some series like Crysis or Mass Effect.

That has to be one of the main factors at play here. Let's face it, some of their games -- Skyward Sword especially -- lack the universal appeal they once did. Part of that is their conservative choices, or distaste for motion control as it currently performs, or the newer gamers (of all ages) who came into the hobby with western-centric games and genres and don't get the various tics that Nintendo games have.

I think a lot of these fans, who are defending games that really are for the most part absolutely fantastic are having a hard time dealing with the much more common criticisms of these kinds of games, especially now that Call of Duty and the like are what most of the younger generation is obsessed with. It can be a painful thing to see people lose interest in something. But the facts remain: Nintendo is doing very well, the 3DS is on the up, Kid Icarus is selling just fine, and nobody is going to take these games away, nor their childhood memories.

No need for vitriol; for times that have changed so much, Nintendo games are still pretty well-loved and respected.

[Karsticles]

I've been on the receiving end of viscous keyboard warrior Nintendo fanatics. All sides are bad, but in this age of the internet, I've found pissing off the Nintendo loons generates more backlash and attention than any.

I figure it's because people say the dumbest stuff about Nintendo.

"They should go third party."
"For children."
"The Wii isn't a console, it's a toy."

Find equally moronic things said about Sony and Microsoft, and I think you'd have a case for it being a problem with the fans, and not the people the fans continually have to put up with.

[animlboogy]

The wrong thing with journalism is all those guys giving low score because the game is bad. No, because it was hyped, or because other websites gave it good score... or because this is against the general opinion.

But not only is that incredibly rare, but it's also something you're convincing yourself is the reason for the differing opinion. Here's something objective: Opinion is subjective. Here's something else objective: In all media, there are some fairly dissenting reviews.

I loved Portal 2. Would I give it a 10/10? Well, first off, I wouldn't score it at all so people might actually read the review (this is part of why I'd probably make a shit games journalist in terms of pageviews). I'd need to give it a hell of a lot of thought, but no, I don't think it'd get a 9 or a 10 from me, definitely not. It's really creative, and it does a great job of storytelling in a medium constantly bogged down by horrible attempts at such. It's extremely linear, which is something Valve's internally developed single player stuff (Half-Life and Portal 2 pretty much) hasn't gotten away from just yet, and something that I wish gaming would get away from more in general. The new mechanics it introduces are wonderful. By the last few hours of the game, though, I was just ready to move on. And I kind of wished that it had something more to it, if they were going to stretch out the playtime so long. They could have improved the pacing in some way to make it feel more episodic, for example, so you'd have more of a natural break than the short time it takes to finish a puzzle (you're never going to do just one and drop it).

I don't think I'm being contrary for the sake of controversy. It's a game that works incredibly well, yet has a distinct lack of ambition for a game of its length. It's also not particularly challenging at any point; perhaps if some non-linearity was involved, there could have been some smartly placed optional content to provide that sort of thing. It is a puzzle game, after all.

[JDSN]

Wow Yahtzee, that brings me back, is Unskippable still going?

Edit: oh nice, its still going.

[JazzmanZ]

Yahtzees job is being a critic, he's going to criticize every game he gets his hands on, it's easy to do, and he makes controversial yet large page view stories of the games, he shouldn't be taken seriously as a reviewer but more as someone who finds the flaws in games and points them out.

[elrechazado]

So because everyone love it, it's overated ? Lol. You're one of those guys who think they're a sort of elit because they have different taste ? Good for you. .

Did you imagine some words that weren't on the screen? That's the only explanation I can think of for this response.

But you did catch me, I'm totally a game hipster.