[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Shiiiiit:

BBC

Motorola Mobility has been granted an injunction against the distribution of key Microsoft products in Germany. The sales ban covers the Xbox 360 games console, Windows 7 system software, Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. It follows a ruling that Microsoft had infringed two patents necessary to offer H.264 video coding and playback. A US court has banned Motorola from enforcing the action until it considers the matter next week. The handset maker is in the process of being taken over by Google.

[Aru]

[V_Ben]

Whoa. That's sort of insane.

[Danielsan]

Won't take effect any time soon. Verdict apparently has limited value.

[Krev]

Holy shit. No way Microsoft won't be able to turn that around with enough money...right?

[Blunt]

GOTT IN HIMMEL

Wait, didn't Germany pull this shit with the PS3 a couple of years back?

[Bluemercury]

Take that MS....

[bigtroyjon]

Ariticle on it

Not much to this, Motorola can't enforce it and Microsoft will be appealing anyways. All the real action is going to be in the US proceedings.

[FliXFantatier]

Won't take effect any time soon. Verdict apparently has limited value.

thats what i am wondering, if i go into town today, will no shops be selling xboxes and laptops... unlikely...

[Riposte]

Year of the PS3

[Majine]

Year of the PS3

Well, it's the best selling console in the world YTD if I recall right.

[murderofMonkey]

GOTT IN HIMMEL Wait, didn't Germany pull this shit with the PS3 a couple of years back?

i remember that the samung galaxy tab was banned in europe

[reptilescorpio]

That seems pretty huge if the courts follow through with the consideration.

[Baller, PhD]

Motorola:

[Jacobi]

Germany has all kinds of ridiculous court decision recently regarding software patents... This isn't America, goddammit!

[Mithos]

Wait!

An American court have banned Motorola from enforcing this in Germany!?!?!

[A Human Becoming]

The handset maker is in the process of being taken over by Google.

I was not aware of this. Interesting acquisition.

Wait! An American court have banned Motorola from enforcing this in Germany!?!?!

America: The Empire.

[Zeouterlimits]

Ariticle on it Not much to this, Motorola can't enforce it and Microsoft will be appealing anyways. All the real action is going to be in the US proceedings.

So nothing happens till the US one then?

[Gowans]

How is this not on Page one, WOW!

Patents are the worst now.

[red731]

Shiiii-

Game changer.

[TheBioLover]

Sony later announces they secretly bought Motorola a month before.

[subversus]

lol nice

[Shiggy]

It won't have any Xbox 360-related effects after all. Xbox 360 consoles aren't sold in Germany.

[CrunchinJelly]

It seems a lot of people missed this bit:

A US court has banned Motorola from enforcing the action until it considers the matter next week.

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

GOTT IN HIMMEL Wait, didn't Germany pull this shit with the PS3 a couple of years back?

GOTT IM HIMMEL.

No problem.

[Majanew]

Sony later announces they secretly bought Motorola a month before.

So Google is buying Sony? Interesting. The Google PlayStation Orbis. Epic E3 announcement.

[Unregistered007]

News @ 10

Major Nelson upcoming Deal of the Week: EVERYTHING...

/sarcasm

[Raist]

How the fuck can a US court can override a German court, in Germany.

[Sn4ke_911]

GOTT IM HIMMEL Wait, didn't Germany pull this shit with the PS3 a couple of years back?

nice try and fixed.

[Sephiroth503]

How the fuck can a US court can override a German court, in Germany.

America: World Police ;)

But seriously, not a clue. Can any court just overrule a court in another country? If so, what's the point of anything then?

[ZoddGutts]

Year of the Mac/ipad

Fixed

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

America: World Police ;) But seriously, not a clue. Can any court just overrule a court in another country? If so, what's the point of anything then?

I guess there are some special agreements between the countries.

[walking fiend]

America: World Police ;) But seriously, not a clue. Can any court just overrule a court in another country? If so, what's the point of anything then?

maybe it is because both of them are actually american companies?

[Syril]

America: World Police ;) But seriously, not a clue. Can any court just overrule a court in another country? If so, what's the point of anything then?

Motorola is an American company, so I guess it's subject to US court rulings over those of other countries? I never understood this stuff too well.

[GeoramA]

Well, it's the best selling console in the world YTD if I recall right.

Don't tell Sony that. I don't want to hear sales talk at E3.

[Alastor]

GOTT IM HIMMEL. No problem.

This comment + Asuka avatar = awesome

[gofreak]

I guess there are some special agreements between the countries.

And probably in particular re. patent suits and stuff.

[Risk Breaker]

How the fuck can a US court can override a German court, in Germany.

Because MS. They don't want the "country" to lose money so they'll do whatever it takes, including "losing" money.

[Nibel]

Ach du heilige Scheiße

Kann nicht wahr sein

[TheOGB]

Wait! An American court have banned Motorola from enforcing this in Germany!?!?!

How the fuck can a US court can override a German court, in Germany.

I guess there are some special agreements between the countries.

America: "WOAH GUYS, HOLD THE FUCK UP!

We're makin' money off this shit, you can't do that!"

EDIT: Beaten by a serious response

[Raist]

Because MS. They don't want the "country" to lose money so they'll do whatever it takes, including "losing" money.

I'm not asking why, but how.

[MarshMellow96]

So this is what they meant when they said they weren't showing a new Xbox at E3.

[Hypertrooper]

Does Motorola only have the patents in Germany or what?

[Sephiroth503]

maybe it is because both of them are actually american companies?

Yeah I guess that makes sense.

[Shiggy]

Does Motorola only have the patents in Germany or what?

German courts often judge in favour of the patent holder as seen with various bans, e.g. of the Samsung tablets.


Btw, the American court decision is completely unrelated to the ruling in Germany.

[EGM1966]

How the fuck can a US court can override a German court, in Germany.

It can't. However the way Motorola is set up (so far as I understand it) allows the US court to tell them what to do. So basically the US court isn't telling the German Court what to do nor is it overriding it, it's telling Motorola not to use the ruling. So basically Motorola could force the ban in Germany but it's been told not to by US Court.

I have no idea what would happen if Motorola went ahead though. I guess there must be some ability for US court to punish them although the couldn't stop the ban being executed.

Clear? I fear not!

[ShinobiFist]

You know MS is going to settle in the end.

[Raist]

It can't. However the way Motorola is set up (so far as I understand it) allows the US court to tell them what to do. So basically the US court isn't telling the German Court what to do nor is it overriding it, it's telling Motorola not to use the ruling. So basically Motorola could force the ban in Germany but it's been told not to by US Court. I have no idea what would happen if Motorola went ahead though. I guess there must be some ability for US court to punish them although the couldn't stop the ban being executed. Clear? I fear not!

But they can't forbid them to do something in a country not under their jurisdiction. Plus, it's quite dodgy. Does the american judge have MS shares or what.

[Haunted]

It can't. However the way Motorola is set up (so far as I understand it) allows the US court to tell them what to do. So basically the US court isn't telling the German Court what to do nor is it overriding it, it's telling Motorola not to use the ruling. So basically Motorola could force the ban in Germany but it's been told not to by US Court. I have no idea what would happen if Motorola went ahead though. I guess there must be some ability for US court to punish them although the couldn't stop the ban being executed. Clear? I fear not!

Motorola can't go ahead because MS is appealing and enforcement during an ongoing appeal requires posting a bond at a local (in this case, US) court, and that's what MS prevented by winning that Seattle court case.

Additionally, Mannheim isn't the highest level court for this, so even if they lose the appeal, MS will just go to the next higher one, dragging this out longer.

As you said, the US court ruling has no bearing on the German court ruling or German courts.

[erpg]

I am honestly surprised any court could back Motorola on this.