That makes the degreaser the bb without the upside of it...Originally Posted by Shadow Hog
Personally I'd nerf the Degreaser; make the airblasts take up 25 or 40 ammo, so there'd be a decided advantage for the stock flamethrower (8 airblasts or 5 airblasts, respectively, for the Degreaser, vs. 10 for stock).
Uh... no? The main power of the Degreaser is the weapon switch. Having cheap airblasts as a bonus along with comparable damage is what's making it so overpowered in comparison to the other flamethrowers. It's also because of that weapon switch speed that the Axtinguisher/Mailbox continue to be much better than taking any other melee for utility.Originally Posted by SteveWinwood
That makes the degreaser the bb without the upside of it...
Aka worse than the bb, which shouldn't be even concievably possible.
I can live with the beta change, and was considering suggesting an afterburn change as well. My only issue with the beta changes is that the flamethrowers will still feel too similar in playstyle to me. And the melee problem.There's no reason to nerf the degreaser airblasts. I think the changes they made in the beta are perfect. The normal flame thrower does an extra 10% damage, so it has the power of Backburner with plenty of airblasts. It makes all three* flamethrowers viable. Degreaser is for weapon juggling, the regular for flaming and the backburner for ambushing. The only change I might make is to reduce the degreaser's afterburn to 33% of the standard burn damage. That's 1 damage every half second (versus 3 normally). It'd make the afterburn basically useless other than for comboing, which is what the weapon is designed to do.
I think the only one that applies to me is #2. I get lazy and forget to spy check for long periods of time, and sometimes get too far away from my team and just go kill hunting.Originally Posted by Kuro Madoushi
Scrub Pyro
1. Doesn't put out teammates.
2. Doesn't spy check all teammates.
3. Doesn't spy check period.
4. Doesn't switch to shotgun when enemies out of range.
5. Doesn't sacrifice self to airblast ubers away.
6. Doesn't chase spies down after they catch them.
That last one kills me especially with the pyros on GAF. It's pyros like these that listen to bad advice that give spies free reign.
They're bound to feel similar since they're all the same weapon type. Now that I think about it, though, a good change for the degreaser might be to make airblasts extinguish enemies as well. I think i suggested that once long ago. With those changes:I can live with the beta change, and was considering suggesting an afterburn change as well. My only issue with the beta changes is that the flamethrowers will still feel too similar in playstyle to me. And the melee problem.
Puff of fire. Run into them. Quick shot with shotgun. It doesn't take much...I think the only one that applies to me is #2. I get lazy and forget to spy check for long periods of time, and sometimes get too far away from my team and just go kill hunting.
I probably have 1100 hours or so, and after the first 1000 hours everything starts to blur together. I don't actually have to look at the screen anymore, I just randomly fire huntsman shots and occasionally press WASD. I haven't heard any complaints yet!Originally Posted by Kuro Madoushi
but for fuck's sake how long have some of you guys been playing?
Psh. As if I'd forget about that completely.Uh... no? The main power of the Degreaser is the weapon switch. Having cheap airblasts as a bonus along with comparable damage is what's making it so overpowered in comparison to the other flamethrowers. It's also because of that weapon switch speed that the Axtinguisher/Mailbox continue to be much better than taking any other melee for utility.
Is there any reason to develop skills with inferior watches?Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper
Most of my deaths against spies are with the revolver/shitforcer. They are pretty easy to spot since everyone seems to be using Cheap Ringer to make up for their horrible skills with the other watches.
I do all of this when I play pyro, I just never really kill anyone... Does that make me a bad pyro? :(Originally Posted by Kuro Madoushi
Scrub Pyro
1. Doesn't put out teammates.
2. Doesn't spy check all teammates.
3. Doesn't spy check period.
4. Doesn't switch to shotgun when enemies out of range.
5. Doesn't sacrifice self to airblast ubers away.
6. Doesn't chase spies down after they catch them.
That last one kills me especially with the pyros on GAF. It's pyros like these that listen to bad advice that give spies free reign.
"Here, let me pop this..."Originally Posted by Shadow Hog
I Spy-check as any class, anyway. If you aren't firing your gun even once, or I can't run through you, then we've got a problem, and a bullet through your character's brain is the solution.
It just happens to be easier as a Pyro, admittedly.
Hehehe, I love killing Engineers with the revolver.Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper
Most of my deaths against spies are with the revolver/shitforcer. They are pretty easy to spot since everyone seems to be using Cheap Ringer to make up for their horrible skills with the other watches.
The Dead Ringer is easier to use because escaping after a stab made simpler, requiring less leading and feinting. The Invis Watch is built for subtle espionage and key picks, the Dead Ringer more for brazen combat. Each is a tool. I personally prefer the Invis Watch, but each has its place.Is there any reason to develop skills with inferior watches?
That's like telling me I'm using my two working legs to make up for my horrible skill with crutches.
Heh, I think I know what this is.
More talented Pyros use the Flare Gun :POriginally Posted by Kuro Madoushi
Scrub Pyro
1. Doesn't put out teammates.
2. Doesn't spy check all teammates.
3. Doesn't spy check period.
4. Doesn't switch to shotgun when enemies out of range.
5. Doesn't sacrifice self to airblast ubers away.
6. Doesn't chase spies down after they catch them.
That last one kills me especially with the pyros on GAF. It's pyros like these that listen to bad advice that give spies free reign.
I pretty much always use my Strange Dead Ringer now, but some of you may remember that I used to use the Invis Watch exclusively. It is still my favorite watch; nothing feels better than perfectly sneaking up on the enemy and getting a great pick. However, for 99% of the time in public servers the DR is a better choice. The Invis Watch is better against organized teams or teams with 1 or 2 specific targets (e.g. a really good Demo, a Medic, a troublesome Engi nest). The DR is better in sloppy combat (i.e. 99% of the time in pubs).The Dead Ringer is easier to use because escaping after a stab made simpler, requiring less leading and feinting. The Invis Watch is built for subtle espionage and key picks, the Dead Ringer more for brazen combat. Each is a tool. I personally prefer the Invis Watch, but each has its place.
The Enforcer is just a crutch and you should feel bad for using it. :U
BUT HOWWWW??????I pretty much always use my Strange Dead Ringer now, but some of you may remember that I used to use the Invis Watch exclusively. It is still my favorite watch; nothing feels better than perfectly sneaking up on the enemy and getting a great pick. However, for 99% of the time in public servers the Dead Ringer is a better choice. The Invis Watch is better against organized teams or teams with 1 or 2 specific targets (e.g. a really good Demo, a Medic, a troublesome Engi nest).
And yes, the Enforcer is a bullshit weapon that's only OK to use if you're having a really bad day. Otherwise I think every Spy should learn how to use the Ambassador effectively. The stock revolver is fine too, although I think the Amby is way better once you start getting regular headshots.
Haha, it takes a lot of practice. I'm still not great with it, especially since I haven't been playing lately; man I'm scared to see how much my aim has suffered. It's a lot harder to get headshots in this game than in CounterStrike, which was my first online FPS. I used to be really good at getting 1-shots with the deagle, so I figured I'd be great with the Ambassador. Definitely not the case. Lol.BUT HOWWWW??????
Sounds like I need to play more on the Jank.Originally Posted by Kuro Madoushi
Scrub Pyro
1. Doesn't put out teammates.
2. Doesn't spy check all teammates.
3. Doesn't spy check period.
4. Doesn't switch to shotgun when enemies out of range.
5. Doesn't sacrifice self to airblast ubers away.
6. Doesn't chase spies down after they catch them.
That last one kills me especially with the pyros on GAF. It's pyros like these that listen to bad advice that give spies free reign.
With most weapons the first shot will be perfectly accurate and then there's a 1.25 second cool-down until the next shot is accurate. With the Ambassador the cool-down is only 0.2 seconds.Originally Posted by Shadow Hog
Well, the first shot you fire will always be 100% accurate, which IIRC is true for any weapon on a no-spread server. It's those subsequent shots that tend to be more of a pain. Then you have any lag or shot-leading to add on to all of that... yeah, Ambassador can be kinda hard at times. :E
Don't think that's quite right. According to the wiki, its spread recovery is 0.95s. It couldn't be 0.2 seconds, since its attack interval is 0.696s, 3.5x a 0.2 second recovery - then every shot would be 100% accurate. <_<With most weapons the first shot will be perfectly accurate and then there's a 1.25 second cool-down until the next shot is accurate. With the Ambassador the cool-down is only 0.2 seconds.
Maybe it's 0.2 second recovery after taking into account the 0.7 second attack interval; that'd be fairly close to the 0.95 second spread recovery you listed. So, a 0.9 s spread recovery, but only realistically a 0.2 s recovery time because the first 0.7 s you cannot fire anyway.Originally Posted by Shadow Hog
Don't think that's quite right. According to the wiki, its spread recovery is 0.95s. It couldn't be 0.2 seconds, since its attack interval is 0.696s, 3.5x a 0.2 second recovery - then every shot would be 100% accurate. <_<
scrub harder!someone just called me a scrub pyro.. what do i do? :(
they should give the pyro a broomLet's pretend this relates to TF2 somehow, so I can post it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgimLxKzOWg&hd=1
P.S. You should all play this game.
God I hate those kinds of games where every move has to be perfect or else you fly into a bunch of spikes or lava or something. Probably why I never enjoyed the 2D Mario games as much as everyone else. And Megaman too, man I hated that game as a kid.Let's pretend this relates to TF2 somehow, so I can post it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgimLxKzOWg&hd=1
P.S. You should all play this game.
Song rocks socks.This page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqtRrMKBdho
I think they're obviously focusing on other titles (CS Go, Dota 2, Half-Life Kart), but TF2 makes them a lot of easy money. Considering how much the community contributes to the game, they definitely have enough to appease us for a long time.Originally Posted by SteveWinwood
So I'm the only one who thinks that Valve has just sort of moved on a bit? I still expect updates and stuff, but just not SUPER MAJOR GAME CHANGERS as frequently as everyone else seems to.
If Forkball shuts up about updates they will...I think they're obviously focusing on other titles (CS Go, Dota 2, Half-Life Kart), but TF2 makes them a lot of easy money. Considering how much the community contributes to the game, they definitely have enough to appease us for a long time.
Well that's why I didn't expect a whole lot more than a bug fix and a new item or two every week. It's gotta be the easiest thing in the world to just shit that out when all the work has been done by others and then go back to richochet episode 2 or hl dm go or whatever.I think they're obviously focusing on other titles (CS Go, Dota 2, Half-Life Kart), but TF2 makes them a lot of easy money. Considering how much the community contributes to the game, they definitely have enough to appease us for a long time.
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