[BGBW]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo shoukd forget about E3 :(

IGN and co cannot into logic. Sony have said they are not showing the PS4. Business don't joke about these things and Sony is in no position to be joking around.

And they better hope Microsoft isn't a repeat of the last two years if they want to "win" E3, but I guess just being Microsoft and showing someone climbing up a cliff face for 10 minutes is considered winning just because it is from CoD.

Konami will be a no show so no one wins. We all lose.

[axisofweevils]

We wait for the fabled Zelda Mario cross over.

It could work. Let's face it, both games have a similar "Rescue the Princess" story.
"Sorry, Mario, but your princess is in another castle... In Hyrule!"

[TunaLover]

That Starfox x Metroid game pierced my hearth ='(, hope Paul is wrong about it. It could be terrible for both franchises.

[Cramoss]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( IGN link here

I think that gave me cancer.

[Sadist]

And the headliner about PS4 and 720 tells me that people don't believe those other console makers' claims that they aren't unveiling their new machines. I could see LOTS of disappointment and anger if we don't hear anything in this arena.

Well just take quick look at the comment section of the article. It will look a lot like that.

[axisofweevils]

I also notice that IGN hasn't yet reported the Aliens will look best on Wii U thing....

[BY2K]

Like I said in the other thread, the guys expecting Sony to win E3 are in for disappointment, just saying.

(Not that I know anything about it.)

[BGBW]

On the plus side you can see the image summarising the article without ever giving IGN a click.

[Exterminieren]

Like I said in the other thread, the guys expecting Sony to win E3 are in for disappointment, just saying. (Not that I know anything about it.)

If they come out swinging with the Vita, they may have a slim chance.

It's those who think Microsoft will come out on top who are deluded, IMO.

[japtor]

Who said anything about not dating Daisy?

That reminds me of something I did in Draw Something:

I also notice that IGN hasn't yet reported the Aliens will look best on Wii U thing....

What if it's 64% better looking?

[PogiJones]

I also notice that IGN hasn't yet reported the Aliens will look best on Wii U thing....

IGN's demographic... I mean, I hate being all holier-than-thou-art, and they're as entitled to their tastes as we to ours, but MAN, do they have terrible, base taste.

[AceBandage]

IGN's demographic... I mean, I hate being all holier-than-thou-art, and they're as entitled to their tastes as we to ours, but MAN, do they have terrible, base taste.

Well, it makes sense.
They've driven away all Nintendo fans and most intelligent readers with their awful articles and troll podcasts.

[DragonSworne]

I honestly don't even know anyone who goes to IGN. Seriously, they use to be so good in the late 90s and early 2000s. But now with so many sources of news, IGN is bottom of the barrell.

[tkscz]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( IGN link here

Oh god the look on their faces when if what they want doesn't happen. No PS4 or Xbox 3. All MS talks about is more casual XB live stuff and kinect and Sony puts all effort into reviving Vita.

[Rösti]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/...NPerfectE3.jpg IGN link here

They're talking about that PS Quadruple, the PS Quadruple. They ain't talking about that Wii U. Well, regardless of these next generation systems' attendance at E3, there will be much talk about next generation and what it holds in terms of graphics and processing power. Unreal Engine 4 will surely raise a lot of eyebrows (I expect what shown at E3 to be way more impressive than these recent screens). How Wii U will fit in is anyone's guess, and frankly speaking there has been so much going on lately with the specs of Wii U I can hardly constrain myself; if the hardware (not just the Wii U Remote) can be explained in one way or another come E3 I will be most satisfied.

These recent IGN surveys are kinda interesting to examine, but they mainly speak for just IGN. It would be nice to have corresponding surveys for Gamasutra, Gamesindustry.biz, GameTrailers, MCV etc. as well. I suppose someone could wip up a SurveyMonkey survey for GAF, but if I'm not mistaken voting and list threads aren't allowed.

[Aguila]

Hm, I wouldn't mind fighting a bunch of space pirate baddies in Samus' gunship: "What Metroid Can Learn From Star Fox." That would be better than a complete crossover.

[TheCongressman1]

I didn't expect this to be the rumor, that's for sure. Um, it sounds like either:

A terrible idea that could have been saved by only using one series instead of both.

or

A terrible idea that could turn out surprisingly amazing.

[SolidSnakex]

I also notice that IGN hasn't yet reported the Aliens will look best on Wii U thing....

No real reason to single them out. I just checked the big sites (Game Informer, Giant Bomb, 1up etc) and none of them have reported it.

[Alistair Roo]

And people thought Retro making a new DKCR or a Zelda games was a waste of talent.
If this shit about Metroid and Starfox becomes true
I can't wait to see you guys crying your hearts out wishing it was a DKCR or Zelda game

the sad part is... I'll be crawling in the dirt with you guys :(

[NeoGohan]

Kamikaze Nintendo is the best Nintendo

[TheNatural]

Serious question here: why are third parties so damn retarded with the game choices they make on what to bring to a new platform?

Perfect example is this talk of the Aliens game. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, it might be actually pretty good. But isn't from the same exact developer, coming Borderlands 2 in the fall? Probably as a game franchise, one that has a lot more notoriety?

I could say the same about companies like THQ and Ubi Soft. Instead of the new Future Soldier game or whatever, Ubi Soft is bringing over a version of a free to play PC game? THQ is bring Darksiders 2 over. It's best selling original game franchise is Saints Row, and they just had a new one come out last year and have an expansion to that game coming out this fall. Did it ever occur to them to, I don't know, maybe bring THAT GAME over in a GOTY edition for Wii U?

This is the same shit that happened with the Wii. Rockstar brought a Bully port over, and fucking Manhunt 2 and wondered why it didn't sell. You could have expended LESS effort to made an upgraded port or collection of the old GTA games for Wii and sold a TON more.

This is the sort of logic that seems to escape these companies, then they wonder why their bottom line is atrocious. Look at last year, Sonic fits Nintendo systems like a glove - but they made a new Sonic game and it didn't even come out on Wii because apparently in it's design stage it wouldn't fit the power of the Wii. So you're telling me your design was so closed that you intentionally cut off your best selling version of the game and didn't have that in mind when you made it?

The lunacy just boggles the mind. It's amazing to me how horrible the planning is for these companies that they just need to move their fingers to make a successful game on the console, and instead they chop off their arm.

[PogiJones]

Well, it makes sense. They've driven away all Nintendo fans and most intelligent readers with their awful articles and troll podcasts.

Yep. I'm one of those. I liked the Matt/Bozon combo fairly well, but even in the heyday of the Wii, Matt & Bozon were still outnumbered and seen as lesser. When they left, the only remaining Nintendo apologist was Craig, and I was never a big fan of his style.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, Ace, you have a similar style to The_Legend_of_Dr_Tre from the old IGN boards... Did you ever run into him? Or are you him?

[TheExplodingHead]

And people thought Retro making a new DKCR or a Zelda games was a waste of talent. If this shit about Metroid and Starfox becomes true I can't wait to see you guys crying your hearts out wishing it was a DKCR or Zelda game the sad part is... I'll be crawling in the dirt with you guys :(

A Retro Starfox/Metroid crossover just sounds terrible. Give Starfox to Treasure or Platinum and just give Metroid back to Retro.

[Quinton McLeod]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( IGN link here

Let me get this straight... They're more interested in the PS4, more interested in Sony's new IP and are anticipating two multiplatform games... but think Microsoft is going to win?

DERP?

[-Pyromaniac-]

I don't think the Starfox rumour is true but am I the only one that wouldn't be disappointed? I mean I guess I'd rather Retro make something totally original but that game described sounds like 2 full games in 1. I wouldn't complain.

But yeah, something original is more likey. Unless they try to make an action oriented FPS, in which case, that would be more disappointing than anything.

[Spieler Eins]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( IGN link here

How can anyone still anticipate the MS conference at this point?

[lednerg]

Not sure what MS or Sony have to gain by showing their next gen consoles this early, especially when their current hardware is still selling. They would basically be telling potential PS3/360 customers to hold off buying their hardware for 18 months or so. The Wii was already in a death spiral this time last year, and the facts about controller were pretty well known - so Nintendo had less to lose showing Wii U than MS or Sony does now showing their new consoles.

[AceBandage]

Serious question here: why are third parties so damn retarded with the game choices they make on what to bring to a new platform? Perfect example is this talk of the Aliens game. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, it might be actually pretty good. But isn't from the same exact developer, coming Borderlands 2 in the fall? Probably as a game franchise, one that has a lot more notoriety? I could say the same about companies like THQ and Ubi Soft. Instead of the new Future Soldier game or whatever, Ubi Soft is bringing over a version of a free to play PC game? THQ is bring Darksiders 2 over. It's best selling original game franchise is Saints Row, and they just had a new one come out last year and have an expansion to that game coming out this fall. Did it ever occur to them to, I don't know, maybe bring THAT GAME over in a GOTY edition for Wii U? This is the same shit that happened with the Wii. Rockstar brought a Bully port over, and fucking Manhunt 2 and wondered why it didn't sell. You could have expended LESS effort to made an upgraded port or collection of the old GTA games for Wii and sold a TON more. This is the sort of logic that seems to escape these companies, then they wonder why their bottom line is atrocious. Look at last year, Sonic fits Nintendo systems like a glove - but they made a new Sonic game and it didn't even come out on Wii because apparently in it's design stage it wouldn't fit the power of the Wii. So you're telling me your design was so closed that you intentionally cut off your best selling version of the game and didn't have that in mind when you made it? The lunacy just boggles the mind. It's amazing to me how horrible the planning is for these companies that they just need to move their fingers to make a successful game on the console, and instead they chop off their arm.

And now you know why most third parties are bleeding millions.

How can anyone still anticipate the MS conference at this point?

They think MS is still all about the hardcore, despite not being so for a few years now and specifically stating they would mostly focus on services at E3.

[MYE]

No real reason to single them out. I just checked the big sites (Game Informer, Giant Bomb, 1up etc) and none of them have reported it.

Wait, you people are still surprised by this? Not a single one of the big gaming news sites have put the slightest effort in building and maintaining a healthy nintendo orientated fanbase.

How absolutely stupid is this from a business standpoint? its like they are refusing money from "lesser" costumers lol.

Anyone remember IGNs nintendo podcasts with Daemon and company? Good god those podcasts lol

[Shadow Hog]

How can anyone still anticipate the MS conference at this point?

They haven't yet figured out that it's going to focus heavily on Kinect.

[MisterHero]

Serious question here: why are third parties so damn retarded with the game choices they make on what to bring to a new platform? Perfect example is this talk of the Aliens game. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, it might be actually pretty good. But isn't from the same exact developer, coming Borderlands 2 in the fall? Probably as a game franchise, one that has a lot more notoriety? I could say the same about companies like THQ and Ubi Soft. Instead of the new Future Soldier game or whatever, Ubi Soft is bringing over a version of a free to play PC game? THQ is bring Darksiders 2 over. It's best selling original game franchise is Saints Row, and they just had a new one come out last year and have an expansion to that game coming out this fall. Did it ever occur to them to, I don't know, maybe bring THAT GAME over in a GOTY edition for Wii U? This is the same shit that happened with the Wii. Rockstar brought a Bully port over, and fucking Manhunt 2 and wondered why it didn't sell. You could have expended LESS effort to made an upgraded port or collection of the old GTA games for Wii and sold a TON more. This is the sort of logic that seems to escape these companies, then they wonder why their bottom line is atrocious. Look at last year, Sonic fits Nintendo systems like a glove - but they made a new Sonic game and it didn't even come out on Wii because apparently in it's design stage it wouldn't fit the power of the Wii. So you're telling me your design was so closed that you intentionally cut off your best selling version of the game and didn't have that in mind when you made it? The lunacy just boggles the mind. It's amazing to me how horrible the planning is for these companies that they just need to move their fingers to make a successful game on the console, and instead they chop off their arm.

Nintendo doesn't pay them enough money apparently.

Hopefully Nintendo assisting with their middleware will make up for it! lol =(

[TheNamesPlissken]

Pretty confident one or both of the companies (Sony and Microsoft) will tease their next-gen system at the end of their conference. No name or pic of the console or anything, but a tease (probably UE4 demo). Hell, I'm pretty sure IdeaMan actually quasi-guaranteed that at least one of them would not too long ago but no one really said anything.

Still expect Nintendo to "win" E3 by a mile. That gearbox interview was pretty awesome and nice to see.

[TheNatural]

And now you know why most third parties are bleeding millions.

I've known it for a while, I just am amazed why history has repeated itself over and over though.

These people make a shitload of money to make these decisions and have no idea what they're doing.

[Alistair Roo]

A Retro Starfox/Metroid crossover just sounds terrible.

Terrible?
TERRIBLE?!!!
the idea alone is just beyond aberration!

[AceBandage]

I've known it for a while, I just am amazed why history has repeated itself over and over though. These people make a shitload of money to make these decisions and have no idea what they're doing.

This goes for pretty much anyone that heads up a large company.
They're usually so far removed from what is happening that they make the worst decisions possible.

This is also part of the reason that Iwata is such a good president. He's from the business and is still extremely active in it.

[HylianTom]

Serious question here: why are third parties so damn retarded with the game choices they make on what to bring to a new platform? Perfect example is this talk of the Aliens game. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, it might be actually pretty good. But isn't from the same exact developer, coming Borderlands 2 in the fall? Probably as a game franchise, one that has a lot more notoriety? I could say the same about companies like THQ and Ubi Soft. Instead of the new Future Soldier game or whatever, Ubi Soft is bringing over a version of a free to play PC game? THQ is bring Darksiders 2 over. It's best selling original game franchise is Saints Row, and they just had a new one come out last year and have an expansion to that game coming out this fall. Did it ever occur to them to, I don't know, maybe bring THAT GAME over in a GOTY edition for Wii U? This is the same shit that happened with the Wii. Rockstar brought a Bully port over, and fucking Manhunt 2 and wondered why it didn't sell. You could have expended LESS effort to made an upgraded port or collection of the old GTA games for Wii and sold a TON more. This is the sort of logic that seems to escape these companies, then they wonder why their bottom line is atrocious. Look at last year, Sonic fits Nintendo systems like a glove - but they made a new Sonic game and it didn't even come out on Wii because apparently in it's design stage it wouldn't fit the power of the Wii. So you're telling me your design was so closed that you intentionally cut off your best selling version of the game and didn't have that in mind when you made it? The lunacy just boggles the mind. It's amazing to me how horrible the planning is for these companies that they just need to move their fingers to make a successful game on the console, and instead they chop off their arm.

And now you know why most third parties are bleeding millions.

Yep yep yep!
And, with a few notable exceptions, I would bet that we're largely going to see a continuation of this generation's financial trends.

Which leads me to ask.. who's gonna have to sad honor of starting the "List of Studios Closed Since 2012" thread?

[TheNatural]

Nintendo doesn't pay them enough money apparently. Hopefully Nintendo assisting with their middleware will make up for it! lol =(

Why would they need to pay them though? Third parties are spending MORE on crappy products, or just products no one will buy, to release them for Nintendo systems than spending LESS just porting popular versions of completed games to the system. It's lunacy.

Who at Rockstar thought it was a good idea to develop Manhunt 2 for Wii. I mean really? Doing that cost more than just porting a GTA collection, or an upgraded San Andreas with extras or ... whatever! And it sold a fraction of what it would have.

THQ is in the shitter and has pledged support for Wii U, but that doesn't include the ONE franchise that has sold great for them.

[Richie]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( IGN link here

Did anyone else mistake this for a parody ridiculing IGN's odd sense of logic, rather than something they actually created?

[AceBandage]

Why would they need to pay them though? Third parties are spending MORE on crappy products, or just products no one will buy, to release them for Nintendo systems than spending LESS just porting popular versions of completed games to the system. It's lunacy. Who at Rockstar thought it was a good idea to develop Manhunt 2 for Wii. I mean really? Doing that cost more than just porting a GTA collection, or an upgraded San Andreas with extras or ... whatever! THQ is in the shitter and has pledged support for Wii U, but that doesn't include the ONE franchise that has sold great for them.

It'll likely be too late for SR3, but we'll definitely see SR4 on the Wii U.

[axisofweevils]

I think this polling marks my end of visiting IGN.
I have been mainly visiting them to laugh at them recently.

[7threst]

I probably get lynched for saying this, but doesn't the talent at Retro studios get a little bit overestimated? People tend to think they can create awesomeness from nothing, but don't they still have to proof where establishing a new and original game is concerned?

[TheNatural]

It'll likely be too late for SR3, but we'll definitely see SR4 on the Wii U.

Well the Batman game from last year is coming out, a SR3 port with it's coming expansion included would sell pretty well I bet. Could it do any worse than Darksiders?

[HylianTom]

I think this polling marks my end of visiting IGN. I have been mainly visiting them to laugh at them recently.

Between Go Nintendo and Nintendo World Report, I've been quite up-to-date on Nintendo news without having to give the big guys clicks. And I've been a bit happier.

I included a "Media Douchebaggery" tile on my Bingo Card, but now I'm thinking it's a given. I should just mark it out now and get it over with.

[test_account]

No real reason to single them out. I just checked the big sites (Game Informer, Giant Bomb, 1up etc) and none of them have reported it.

IGN did kinda report on it:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1221925p1.html

But it is over 2 months ago. It doesnt mention specifically about graphics there, but it does mention that the WiiU version is said by Pitchford to be the best version.

[AceBandage]

I probably get lynched for saying this, but doesn't the talent at Retro studios get a little bit overestimated? People tend to think they can create awesomeness from nothing, but don't they still have to proof where establishing a new and original game is concerned?

Well, this is true for any studio.
However, Retro certainly has a flawless track record so far (it's only 4 games, certainly, but it's some of the best games around).
They have proven that they can make awesome experiences, and this trend will likely continue.

Well the Batman game from last year is coming out, a SR3 port with it's coming expansion included would sell pretty well I bet. Could it do any worse than Darksiders?

I think DS2 was chosen because it's been compared to Zelda so much, so they really wanted it on the Wii U.
We still might see an SR3 announcement at E3, though.
2011 was just kind of a glimpse of big games.

[Oddduck]

Here's the problem I have with you guys bitching over this crossover if it turns out to be true.

This is Retro Studios. Not Team Ninja.

No studio puts tons of care into Metroid more than Retro Studios.

Retro did a brilliant job of reviving the Donkey Kong Country series.

Again, stop treating this project like it's a Team Ninja project. It's a Retro Studios project.

[D_prOdigy]

Oh about IGN btw... Nintendo should forget about E3 :( IGN link here

This even looks like a parody.

[axisofweevils]

Between Go Nintendo and Nintendo World Report, I've been quite up-to-date on Nintendo news without having to give the big guys clicks. And I've been a bit happier. I included a "Media Douchebaggery" tile on my Bingo Card, but now I'm thinking it's a given. I should just mark it out now and get it over with.

I might not be able to resist visiting them after E3 and saying "So guys, how did that PS4 reveal you all wanted work out for you?"

[TheExplodingHead]

I probably get lynched for saying this, but doesn't the talent at Retro studios get a little bit overestimated? People tend to think they can create awesomeness from nothing, but don't they still have to proof where establishing a new and original game is concerned?

To a degree, I think you're correct. And yes, they do still need to prove they can hang when doing new and original stuff. On the other hand, Retro's been asking for that very opportunity from Nintendo for years and been turned down constantly, hence the continued loss of employees.

So yeah, they do need to prove it, but they also need to get that green light first.

[TheBigG753]

How can anyone still anticipate the MS conference at this point?

Apparently if you have the new Call of Duty demoed at your show, you "win".