[Boss Doggie]

Fo sho'! Day 1. I wish, but my guess is that this likelihood is somewhere around the chance of EBA making it to the U. :-(

Oh god I hate that god-forsaken Love Rap games =/

[Terrell]

So in my catchup, I saw a lot of talk about Retro doing dudebro games.... really?

I don't deny that there could be appeal to an FPS from them, but it's always been my feeling that they could do the FPS genre a service by making something more akin to Team Fortress 2. Out of every FPS I've played, it still ranks among one of my favorites. The game design, the classes, the charm and humor.... there's nothing else like it. I could see a game like this appealing very widely, and it'd be my hope that it would be something that Nintendo could get behind as a more broad enthusiast gamer title.

This would be my worst case scenario. Starfox should just die. And that IP would be a waste of talent. I'd rather have them work on another Brain Training game than on an IP that is about as worthless and dead as Startropics.

...... really?

I'd say I have a realistic view on the IP. Regardless of how much I enjoyed SF64 and even SFA, I realized very early that the IP and basic premise is not really fit for a real franchise with multiple installments. The only real thing you can do with this IP is to rerelease SF64 over and over again, maybe an HD remake or a sequle following the structure of SF64 to the point, but I don't see any chance of the IP getting anywhere. I'd also think that other studios (Treasure) would be much more suited at the kind of arcadey mission design that would be required to build upon the only good SF game SF64.

.... SERIOUSLY??!?

Ok, what was wrong with StarFox Assault? I mean, I loved the game. The controls took a lot of getting use to and it was short, but for what it is, it's pretty good. If a dev tried to take the Assault gameplay, and iron out the wrinkles in it, then it would make an amazing TPS.

The problem with Star Fox Assault was primarily that Namco put the Ace Combat team on it and then had the Ace Combat team do on-foot sections, something that their design talent didn't lend itself to. I found myself getting nauseous while playing the ground sections. Never a good thing. Wasn't a BAD game by any means, it just had its flaws. I liked Panther Caroso, though, he was an awesome addition to the character lineup. Putting Crystal in an Arwing was an.... interesting choice, but it worked because of her dialogue with Panther.

I still think there's a lot to be done with Star Fox, such as really embracing an online multiplayer aspect to compliment a single player campaign. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Furry space opera. Make it happen, Nintendo.

I really wish Square Enix got onboard with the Wii U. A new Crystal Chronicles, Dissidia, or even a mainline title would show a lot of people what's up.

They've already said they're reviewing putting Final Fantasy on the system, so... there's that.

Fuck dudebros. If we're going to just make games based on what dudebros want, then lets just stop making Kirby and Donkey Kong and Pikmin while we're at it.

Exactly. You can make a game for enthusiasts without falling into the dudebro trap.

So Versus XIII isn't at E3 Nibel, post if you're ok, man.

Hehehehehe, all the more time for them to prep the inevitable WiiU port. I'm telling you, it's gonna happen.

[TunaLover]

It bears noting that Nintendo isn't even going to announce the price for another four months. I can guarantee you that no retailer anywhere actually knows any concrete launch details.

Kinda off topic maybe, but some retailers are indeed leaked some info before, I'm not sure how close is the relationship between Nintendo and retailers but it could be possible that they got relevant info early? Or it depends on the company?

Nintendo is the paranoid kind that doesn't look like sharing sensible info with nobody.

[Gravijah]

I own 2 PS3s and I think I paid less than that for both of them!

gtaiv & mgs4 were coming out and i had to have one.

[Emitan]

gtaiv & mgs4 were coming out and i had to have one.

Too bad both of those games are mediocre.

[nordique]

The other possibility is that they are things from Blockbuster systems, but were added by people within the company without outside information.

This is what I presume it to be

a "chain of command thing"

[nordique]

i think this and yet i still paid $499 for my ps3. with no regrets.

if one takes all the hardcore gamers around who picked up a PS3, likely yes.

but mass market, this is not

[Nilaul]

I've decided that next gen I will take an Alienware X51 and WiiU at launch ,,,,,I'll wait until the PS4 at least 3 years in its life and then buy one to try all the old games. dont lie u would sell a kidney for a WiiU :P

You should wait a bit before buying an aliemware x51, make sure it has the powerfull components for next gen

Im planning to have three 7970 in my computer :P

[bgassassin]

So in my catchup, I saw a lot of talk about Retro doing dudebro games.... really?

Actually the talk was about Star Fox's appeal outside of a niche audience.

[nintendors]

Oh no not first party stuff. Nintendo is doing that for 3rd party games. So for example if Killer Freaks is a select launch title, which I believe it is, Nintendo is matching the advertising dollars for it. So if Ubisoft was planning say $10M, Nintendo is giving them an additional $10M to advertise KF.

HOLY SHHHHH,,,,if this is true then I really wanna see what Nintendo is planning for marketing the thing,,,,Micro did what? like half billion for markting Kinect ? Nintendo needs to be in everyone face with the WiiU especially since its gonna be near Xmas !

You should wait a bit before buying an aliemware x51, make sure it has the powerfull components for next gen Im planning to have three 7970 in my computer :P

wait,,I though I can upgrade the thing !! and btw any news of a new product in the X51 line ??
and 3 freakin cards !!! WTH ?? u need Articuno to cool that thing ^_^"

[Charoncaori]

This thread is impossible to keep up with.

I see someone else has thought of a Retro Banjo-Kazooie sequel. That would be hilarious.

[Linkhero1]

Seems like MS might not have all that much to show at E3 after all. On the latest bonus round Patcher said he's heading over to MS in the upcoming weeks and they told him to not expect a lot of games and rather dashboard stuff.

Seems like they're going for Halo 4, CoD, Kinect, and Home Entertainment Device stuff at E3. It's just Sony I'm not sure of at this point. Seems like if Nintendo doesn't fuck up they'll have the best E3.

[Dr.Palutena]

300 dollars is what i expect, 400 is the most i'm willing to pay.

[Nilaul]

You know what? Screw mass marketing price :P lets have photo realealistic graphics today :P

:: A DUAL Graphics card based on QuadroFX 5800(drivers were re-written for gaming), with a mighty 240 cores (3,000 dollars x 2 = 6,000).
:: 64 GB of ram.
:: Processor? (Anyone knows the best processor for a graphic workstation)?

We can complete this list together to create the true beast console.

[Rösti]

This thread is impossible to keep up with. I see someone else has thought of a Retro Banjo-Kazooie sequel. That would be hilarious.

I believe this ought to be rather difficult seeing as Rare Limited is now a Microsoft subsidiary. Though anything can happen, Rare did audiovisual work, computer program, sounds and music for Diddy Kong Racing DS in 2007. But I wouldn't bet on a Banjo-Kazooie game for Wii U.

[nintendors]

You know what? Screw mass marketing price :P lets have photo realealistic graphics today :P a DUAL Graphics card based on QuadroFX 5800, with a mighty 240 cores (3,000 dollars). (drivers were re-written, for gaming) The console comes with 64 gb or ram. Processor? (Anyone knows the best processor for a graphic workstation)?

Did/Do you work for Atari or Magnavox ??

[watershed]

Where did this talk of advertising dollars come from? Is there an OP or link somewhere? If Nintendo is matching advertising dollars thats a pretty good incentive for 3rd parties to get on the wii u at launch. Gotta love some free promotion.

[EloquentM]

We need a paper zelda series dearly

[fabricated backlash]

...... really? .... SERIOUSLY??!?

Really!

and yes Seriously!

SF is a mediocre series with one outstanding entry. It's one of Nintendos worst franchises in terms of average quality and market appeal. It's also quite clear, that nintendo doesn't really know what to do with it after SF64.

Aside from the fact that it's design language was ridiculous since it's inception, the horrible redesigns of Fox and co. are a testament to Nintendos reluctance to invest much into the franchise.

I see the franchise at a dead end and thats why I stick with my assertion that Retro would waste their talent on a new SF. As would pretty much everyone else.

[Nilaul]

Did/Do you work for Atari or Magnavox ??

No why? :P

But I want to pitch the idea of opening a gaming studio to Nintendo of Greece.

[Charoncaori]

I believe this ought to be rather difficult seeing as Rare Limited is now a Microsoft subsidiary. Though anything can happen, Rare did audiovisual work, computer program, sounds and music for Diddy Kong Racing DS in 2007. But I wouldn't bet on a Banjo-Kazooie game for Wii U.

I wouldn't bet on it either, but they're perfectly capable of re-acquiring the IP for Retro...
I'm don't think Rare would help out, though. They're pretty much gone.

[Luigison]

Wii U games for pre-order on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Dirt-Wii-U-Nin...6333124&sr=8-7

http://www.amazon.com/Ninja-Gaiden-R...6333124&sr=8-3

http://www.amazon.com/Tekken-Wii-U-N...6333124&sr=8-6

What other retailers have Wii U games listed?

[nintendors]

No why? :P

Xbox Jaguar CONFIRMED !!!!! :P

[snesfreak]

You know what? Screw mass marketing price :P lets have photo realealistic graphics today :P :: A DUAL Graphics card based on QuadroFX 5800(drivers were re-written for gaming), with a mighty 240 cores (3,000 dollars x 2 = 6,000). :: 64 GB of ram. :: Processor? (Anyone knows the best processor for a graphic workstation)? We can complete this list together to create the true beast console.

Screw that, let's get some 24th century technology and build that holodeck!

[BD1]

I believe this ought to be rather difficult seeing as Rare Limited is now a Microsoft subsidiary. Though anything can happen, Rare did audiovisual work, computer program, sounds and music for Diddy Kong Racing DS in 2007. But I wouldn't bet on a Banjo-Kazooie game for Wii U.

Worst part about the RARE deal was Nintendo didn't retain any of the IP. Conker, Banjo-Kazooir and Jonna Dark all would have had a place on Nintendo platforms (and for no other reason than new Smash characters :-p)

As I understand it, Iwata did want to secure the rights to some of those characters, but he was overruled.

[bgassassin]

HOLY SHHHHH,,,,if this is true then I really wanna see what Nintendo is planning for marketing the thing,,,,Micro did what? like half billion for markting Kinect ? Nintendo needs to be in everyone face with the WiiU especially since its gonna be near Xmas !

I think Nintendo is going to let word of mouth market Wii U like they did with Wii. They'll focus more on getting the controller in peoples' hands and let that do the advertising. But there will be commercials as well.

Where did this talk of advertising dollars come from? Is there an OP or link somewhere? If Nintendo is matching advertising dollars thats a pretty good incentive for 3rd parties to get on the wii u at launch. Gotta love some free promotion.

Found it.

Well, the userbase of Wii U is 0 right now so early ports give publishers a chance to ESTABLISH a profitable audience on the platform for their preferred content. That is a big incentive to do it from Day 0. It'll be cheap for them to port and the potential payoff is rather big as people wane from current systems and they can sustain profits on Wii U till PS4/XboxNext comes out without having to increase dev size that dramatically. So, get in early with your core content, establish a user base that buys those types of games, and get medium-term profits. It's not a bad strategy. That, and Nintendo will match marketing dollars for select launch titles, and who doesn't want free money? Last, CoD Wii gets Acti ~1MM incremental sales. That's more than a lot of these games will sell at all... so, go get your pie third parties. Eat it too.

[nintendors]

Screw that, let's get some 24th century technology and build that holodeck!

WiiU stop gap CONFIRMED !!!! :P

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wii U games for pre-order on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Dirt-Wii-U-Nin...6333124&sr=8-7 http://www.amazon.com/Ninja-Gaiden-R...6333124&sr=8-3 http://www.amazon.com/Tekken-Wii-U-N...6333124&sr=8-6 What other retailers have Wii U games listed?

lol according to amazon tekken and ninja gaiden are frequently bought together. lol

[watershed]

I think Nintendo is going to let word of mouth market Wii U like they did with Wii. They'll focus more on getting the controller in peoples' hands and let that do the advertising. But there will be commercials as well. Found it.

Wow, now I just imagine Nintendo paying for AC3 ads that show ps3 footage and multi plat logos at the end. That would suck for Nintendo. Maybe select titles means wii u exclusives only or ads that only show the wii u versions and logo.

[nintendors]

I think Nintendo is going to let word of mouth market Wii U like they did with Wii. They'll focus more on getting the controller in peoples' hands and let that do the advertising. But there will be commercials as well.

but bg didnt Nintendo thought "the word of mouth" approach was going to work with the 3DS and they kinda admitted it didn't (I think?)

[BD1]

Wow, now I just imagine Nintendo paying for AC3 ads that show ps3 footage and multi plat logos at the end. That would suck for Nintendo. Maybe select titles means wii u exclusives only or ads that only show the wii u versions and logo.

That's not how it works. Any advertising Nintendo pays for will promote the game on Wii U only, and would be subject to approval. Nintendo isn't just blindly doaling out cash to third party marketing budgets.

[Gravijah]

Too bad both of those games are mediocre.

no, they are both great.

if one takes all the hardcore gamers around who picked up a PS3, likely yes. but mass market, this is not

of course it's not mass market, i wasn't implying it was. the ps3 was horribly overpriced.

SF is a mediocre series with one outstanding entry. It's one of Nintendos worst franchises in terms of average quality and market appeal. It's also quite clear, that nintendo doesn't really know what to do with it after SF64.

i don't know what happened with star fox. they make star fox 1, one of the best snes games, and then we got sf64, which wasn't as good, but still great... and then... :(

[watershed]

That's not how it works. Any advertising Nintendo pays for will promote the game on Wii U only, and would be subject to approval. Nintendo isn't just blindly doaling out cash to third party marketing budgets.

I'm sure I was joking.

[nintendors]

That's not how it works. Any advertising Nintendo pays for will promote the game on Wii U only, and would be subject to approval. Nintendo isn't just blindly doaling out cash to third party marketing budgets.

so its much like COD ads for the Xbox and how it has many exclusives, and then at the end show probably just boxarts for other consoles ?

[Sadist]

Splinter Cell 6? Moar like Chaos Theory and less Conviction please

[bgassassin]

but bg didnt Nintendo thought "the word of mouth" approach was going to work with the 3DS and they kinda admitted it didn't (I think?)

I don't recall that being the case for 3DS. All I remember was "People loved the E3 presentation. Let's launch 3DS for $249.99!"

so its much like COD ads for the Xbox and how it has many exclusives, and then at the end show probably just boxarts for other consoles ?

Yeah something like that. For a multiplat the Wii U version would get prominent billing.

[bgassassin]

Seems like MS might not have all that much to show at E3 after all. On the latest bonus round Patcher said he's heading over to MS in the upcoming weeks and they told him to not expect a lot of games and rather dashboard stuff. Seems like they're going for Halo 4, CoD, Kinect, and Home Entertainment Device stuff at E3. It's just Sony I'm not sure of at this point. Seems like if Nintendo doesn't fuck up they'll have the best E3.

This is setting up to be a primarily boring E3 press conference run.

[Shikamaru Ninja]

i don't know what happened with star fox. they make star fox 1, one of the best snes games, and then we got sf64, which wasn't as good, but still great... and then... :(

Star Fox 64 is the outstanding entry. It took the series above and beyond. It has not evolved since. But it is clearly the foundation from where the franchise needs to move from.

[nintendors]

I don't recall that being the case for 3DS. All I remember was "People loved the E3 presentation. Let's launch 3DS for $249.99!"

lol ,,,u know I'm one of the people that think if Nintendo did launch the thing with an amazing software and then kept the momentum, there would be no need for the price cut.

[Gravijah]

Star Fox 64 is the outstanding entry. It took the series above and beyond. It has not evolved since. But it is clearly the foundation from where the franchise needs to move from.

i'd prefer a return to the "simpler" gameplay of the original.

[DragonKnight]

Star Fox 64 is the outstanding entry. It took the series above and beyond. It has not evolved since. But it is clearly the foundation from where the franchise needs to move from.

So...that launch line up

[Conor 419]

I'd like to see a Lylat Wars/Star Fox command hybrid on the Wii U. So a healthy mix of levels with elaborate set pieces and classic linear Starfox gameplay and then on the side a strategy mode where you can command lots of ships using the Wii U pad and try to conquer the galaxy.

[Terrell]

Actually the talk was about Star Fox's appeal outside of a niche audience.

I saw it devolve into a separate tangent after that discussion, so I made a comment on that.

Really! and yes Seriously! SF is a mediocre series with one outstanding entry. It's one of Nintendos worst franchises in terms of average quality and market appeal. It's also quite clear, that nintendo doesn't really know what to do with it after SF64. Aside from the fact that it's design language was ridiculous since it's inception, the horrible redesigns of Fox and co. are a testament to Nintendos reluctance to invest much into the franchise. I see the franchise at a dead end and thats why I stick with my assertion that Retro would waste their talent on a new SF. As would pretty much everyone else.

2 outstanding entries, first of all. The original Star Fox was fantastic and the sequel built off of that in fantastic ways, though lost a small piece of itself in the transition (mostly, the music direction)

What happened with the series is simple to determine... no game after SF64 had direct development performed by Nintendo (heck, even the original was a co-creation with Argonaut and EAD), and it shows in how derivative they became.

Adventures happened because Miyamoto thought the characters in Dinosaur Planet lined up with the Star Fox series.
Assault, as I mentioned, was given to Namco and was a passable game in its own right except for the shitty ground missions that were added to tie the gameplay in Adventures to the rest of the series (though considering it was made by a team that had never DONE ground missions in a game before, not all that surprised).
Command is really the game where the series took a serious quality dive in terms of presentation and in terms of adding nothing good to the table, and most fans would prefer to pretend that it had never existed.

And that's where we are now. If EAD decided to give it another crack or to let another internal team like EAD Tokyo have it, they could very likely do some amazing things with it. But because it's languished in the hell that is outsourced development for the better part of 10 years, I can't blame you for saying there's a reason to be cautious about making another one.

It really depends on where Nintendo takes it from here, but to say it has almost NO value in the Nintendo roster aside from a place in Smash Brothers is far from the truth. To say it has niche appeal is also a bit damning to games that sell in the same range, such as Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion.

One must also consider that Miyamoto still LOVES the series, which gives me faith that he sees where they have mis-stepped and will bring it back to internal development.

[Nibel]

lol ,,,u know I'm one of the people that think if Nintendo did launch the thing with an amazing software and then kept the momentum, there would be no need for the price cut.

I'm not sure if that's true. There doesn't seem to be a big market for 250$ handheld systems in our glorious smartphone age.

[BD1]

Seems like MS might not have all that much to show at E3 after all. On the latest bonus round Patcher said he's heading over to MS in the upcoming weeks and they told him to not expect a lot of games and rather dashboard stuff. Seems like they're going for Halo 4, CoD, Kinect, and Home Entertainment Device stuff at E3. It's just Sony I'm not sure of at this point. Seems like if Nintendo doesn't fuck up they'll have the best E3.

XBOX's days as a game brand are over. Microsoft's grand vision has always been to use the game console as a trojan horse to rule the living room, and Kinect got them the install base to do it. Not saying that's a bad thing (depends on your opinion of things) but their focus going forward is going to be all the other cool stuff XBox does.

[RagnarokX]

Heh, people not remembering Shield Pose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgk3xSwBtUY

list is bogus

[Gravijah]

you know, if something like f-zero or star fox isn't worth a full retail release, how about using those IPs to really start pushing the eshop? give me a wipeout hd equivalent to f-zero, damn it.

[BD1]

. Adventures happened because Miyamoto thought the characters in Dinosaur Planet lined up with the Star Fox series.

I said this in another thread, but I often wonder the fate of that IP if RARE had originally made the main characters a Koala Bear instead of a fox? Forcing the Star Fox IP onto that game was a disaster.

Man, I remember my teenage self being so pumped for Dinosaur Planet. It was going to be this epic, sprawling, adventure and then... It wasn't.

[methodman]

So...that launch line up

agreed. how about a hint shikamaru? :)

[Nibel]

you know, if something like f-zero or star fox isn't worth a full retail release, how about using those IPs to really start pushing the eshop? give me a wipeout hd equivalent to f-zero, damn it.

The problem is that both games you mentioned are too big franchises for being eShop games and too small franchises for being full retail games - I see them in Nintendo Limbo :lol