[Plinko]

For all the people complaining about IdeaMan:

Put him on your ignore list. Problem solved. That way, you don't have to read his posts and the rest of us don't have to read your numerous posts about how you don't like what he's doing. That's why the ignore list is there.

[japtor]

Is this a boondocks reference?

Or Donald Rumsfeld, which is where the Boondocks got it.

TL;DR: Quite literally Wii U, PS4 and Xbox3's difference will be in horse power, but they will all be modern boxes.

Pretty much what I said in DBZ form, I figure they're all over 9000.

Wii was about on par with the original Xbox though. However this generation has also gone on longer than expected so on par with 7 year old 360 would be a joke. I think the "2x 360" rumours may be correct, whatever that means it good enough for me, and I have a gaming rig. Can't say this looks bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo and if it was a quickly put together tech demo then we should expect a bit better, this demo is quite interactive too.

Yeah that's a longer version of the bird demo that shows more stuff going on, I think they only showed it up to the fish in the presentation before the rain comes in.

[Hoo-doo]

For all the people complaining about IdeaMan: Put him on your ignore list. Problem solved. That way, you don't have to read his posts and the rest of us don't have to read your numerous posts about how you don't like what he's doing. That's why the ignore list is there.

Except that whenever Ideaman posts, the entire thread goes nuts in excitement for even the tiniest scraps of information and the obligatory tease comment.

This is by no means a solution.

[Spieler Eins]

Man, watching the 2006 E3 presentation (tomorrow it will be exactly six years ago) and Nintendo only talks like seven minutes(!) about the DS. They casually announce a few new titles like Yoshi's Island 2, Star Fox DS and Diddy Kong Racing. I also like the inclusion of Disaster Day of Crisis :P

Feels like yesterday :( It was amazing, I hope the 3DS showtime will be equally short this year. And Reggie needs to be angrier again.

[z0m3le]

Yeah that's a longer version of the bird demo that shows more stuff going on, I think they only showed it up to the fish in the presentation before the rain comes in.

yep, but the version they ended up showing off in the presentation didn't have the save graphical features as the floor version, so it wasn't nearly as impressive, probably the biggest blunder they made last E3, next to the Wii U feature video that only talked about the controller.

Except that whenever Ideaman posts, the entire thread goes nuts in excitement for even the tiniest scraps of information and the obligatory tease comment. This is by no means a solution.

neither is talking about it endlessly.

[EatChildren]

The simple solution would be to privately ask one of them to look at the target specs for Wii U and PS4 he allegedly received. Keep everything private, and no NDAs have to be broken.

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

bg doesn't have to give me any info, I'm just curious. I remember when he was saying stuff way back when, and in the end it turned out his 'source' was a guy on the IGN forums. Though he may have corroborated information with known sources here (eg: lherre), I still don't buy it, just as I didn't back then.

[UncleSporky]

Except that whenever Ideaman posts, the entire thread goes nuts in excitement for even the tiniest scraps of information and the obligatory tease comment. This is by no means a solution.

Yeah, ignore lists only work if everyone else ignores that person too.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

yep, but the version they ended up showing off in the presentation didn't have the save graphical features as the floor version, so it wasn't nearly as impressive, probably the biggest blunder they made last E3, next to the Wii U feature video that only talked about the controller. neither is talking about it endlessly.

What graphical features are you talking about? kinda curious.

[beje]

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

[BurntPork]

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U. bg doesn't have to give me any info, I'm just curious. I remember when he was saying stuff way back when, and in the end it turned out his 'source' was a guy on the IGN forums. Though he may have corroborated information with known sources here (eg: lherre), I still don't buy it, just as I didn't back then.

BG has been clearly saying that PS4 will significantly outperforms Wii U; just not the same as Wii --> PS3. That doesn't really disagree with anything we've heard.

[Smiles and Cries]

everything looks great on paper

I want to see how things stack up 3 years from now

[z0m3le]

What graphical features are you talking about? kinda curious.

http://www.nintengen.com/2011/06/wii...-graphics.html Plenty of direct comparison shots there.

[blu]

The simple solution would be to privately ask one of them to look at the target specs for Wii U and PS4 he allegedly received. Keep everything private, and no NDAs have to be broken.

What would that give us exactly, though? If you expect some kind of a multiplier, no respectable developer would give you one (just because those things are largely meaningless when taken by part/out of context). Unless said devs spilled the full beans, the only kind of statement we could get would be 'Yes, 720/ps4 is clearly more powerful', which has been non-news for the past one year.

[japtor]

How's Develop? http://www.develop-online.net/news/3...-4-demo-at-GDC

Epic recently revealed to Develop that it would support mobile games studios much sooner with Unreal Engine 4 than it had with the engine’s predecessor.

Old (from February) but if Develop isn't BSing or misinterpreting then that'd be a sign of scalability for anyone that didn't think UE4 would be able to scale down. Doesn't change that most stuff would be up to publishers still.

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

They could make it $199!*

*with two year contract

[EuropeOG]

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

I don't think target specs get priority over price anymore, I would be surprised if Sony drop the ball next gen with their pricing.

[DeaconKnowledge]

The biggest issue I have with Ideaman's posts and people's fawning over him is that it reeks of Stockholm syndrome. We all want info desperately. Ideaman has it, but withholds it so as to tease and string us along. All the while seemingly enjoying watching us squirm and relishing his teases. While I obviously want the information too, it doesn't sit right with me and leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

..so you'd rather talk about nothing for 30 pages like before. Seems like you're mad that he knows shit and you don't.

Idea man makes this thread worth checking.

[Hoo-doo]

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

No. Seeing as there isn't a crazy experimental CELL processor jacking up the price, and Blu-Ray drives are also cheap.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

http://www.nintengen.com/2011/06/wii...-graphics.html Plenty of direct comparison shots there.

I remeber those comparison shots now, was there ever any explanation for that or something?

[Peru]

Yeah come back IdeaMan.

[amtentori]

UPAD

I actually don't mind either John Harker's or Ideaman's styles of revealing potential insider info.
Both lead to the same result. Some speculation, some uncertainty, some mystery, some hype.

I simply appreciate it anytime someone drops knowledge bombs on GAF. If they want to engage the board and have some fun with the speculations I don't really care.

People complaining about the insiders should seriously relax. If you don't like speculation why come to a speculation thread? Without the insider hints we would pretty much have nothing except old interviews and the occasional dev comments.

UPAD

[AceBandage]

Oh, so we're going to start doubting BG as well, now?


How about this guy:

SPEAKING OF WHICH THIS IS INFORMED SPECULATION BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD DEVELOPERS TALKING ABOUT LATELY DO NOT TAKE THIS AS FACT AND DO NOT START CHICKEN LITTLEING BECAUSE OF THIS POST. EVEN IF EVERYTHING I HAVE HEARD IS 100% ACCURATE, THERE COULD BE REASONS IT WILL NOT HOLD TRUE FOREVER. I'll say that you should not expect the moon with the Wii U. Everything I have been told is "best of the current generation by a country mile but not significantly beyond that." It is the XBox to the PS2. The Gamegear to the Gameboy. The Mad Men Alison Brie to Community's Alison Brie. It'll look better, but generational transition probably won't apply to it. On the plus side, there will probably be nothing hardware-wise stopping downgraded ports from what people think the new XBox will offer. We're talking, like, Witcher 2 on high settings vs. Witcher 2 on low settings. Same game, same basic idea, different graphics. But games that do take advantage of the Wii U's hardware are going to blow this current gen out of the water. I am not sure we'll see that at E3 (seriously, think back to nearly every console's launch, most of those titles don't stand up today), but I'm sure we'll see it eventually.

So. We have multiple sources that we know have information, including someone who is "too reasonable for this forum" saying that he Wii U is indeed quite a bit more powerful. Not a generational leap, but it never was.

I just... I dunno.
You guys, every few weeks you seem to want to slip back into your dooming and glooming. Completely ignore every thing we've heard.

It's a bit annoying.

[EatChildren]

BG has been clearly saying that PS4 will significantly outperforms Wii U; just not the same as Wii --> PS3. That doesn't really disagree with anything we've heard.

Yes, and I'm not sure how the whole comparison thing is going to shape up. The whole "HOW MANY 360s" and "DOES IT COMPARE TO THE WII SITUATION" thing was stupid from the get go and still is, trying to simplify are complicated situation.

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

No idea. All I know is the PS4's target specs were pretty impressive. They also match reports (that came much later) that the PS4 was targeting PC-like architecture.

Oh, so we're going to start doubting BG as well, now?

I don't doubt bg. I doubt bg's 'source', because I've seen no evidence to suggest his source is to be trusted.

[Antioch]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

[Krev]

Wii U Speculation Thread VI: Lord of the Flies

[beje]

Blergh, I guess it's time for me abandon this thread at least for a couple of weeks or so until actual games or info about the DRC leak. We're still running in circles and if I want graphical power I'll most likely have a PC that will outclass both the 720 and PS4 by the time they're released anyway, and for a fraction of their price probably.

[Neoriceisgood]

How are the DBZ powerlevels on this thing looking?

[PhoReal]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

We're exactly 4 weeks away at this point. We can only go deeper.

[wsippel]

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

The problem is that this and stating the Wii U won't be just a little bit more powerful than PS360 are not a contradiction.

I believe the only performance metric we've ever seen was the short statement by Audiokinetic I dug up a while ago, but that was incredibly specific (takes neither the GPU nor memory bandwidth into account) and a bit vague. Still, it certainly seemed to hint at a more powerful CPU if anything, and also serves as a very good explanations for the issues many insiders, including Arkam, mentioned. As I already wrote, being a "developer" doesn't necessarily mean "engine developer" and doesn't necessarily require a deep technical understanding. If a development house working on a cross platform game runs into performance problems on a specific system, the obvious conclusion is usually "the hardware sucks", not "the tools aren't properly optimized yet". That's even worse in Audiokinetic's case, as developers don't even get the source code as far as I know - even if they had the technical expertise, they can't really tell why it performs badly or how much room for improvement there is.

[StreetsAhead]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

Retro is making a Halo/Uncharted/CoD/GTA Killer staring Ness with a Wii Music style mini game and cameos from all your favourite games ever!

There, that ought to do it.

[TerryWogan]

So, er, this has probably been asked/answered on one of the many pages of one of the many threads, but here goes:

Will Virtual Console purchases carry over?

I ask because I'm a little concerned. Take my example: I bought a 3DS and put £20 on the 3DS eShop on day one. However, there was literally NOTHING there of interest so I waited it out. Then I sold my 3DS before I ever bought anything.

I contacted Nintendo and asked if I could have the £20 transferred over to the Wii's eShop. No. They said they could only transfer my £20 to another 3DS if I ever buy one again. So Nintendo are sitting on £20 of my money that I might never get to spend unless I buy another 3DS.

So neither of these stores/accounts/purchase histories are connected. Presumably the WiiU's store will be a separate entity again? This is worrying.

[AceBandage]

So, er, this has probably been asked/answered on one of the many pages of one of the many threads, but here goes: Will Virtual Console purchases carry over? I ask because I'm a little concerned. Take my example: I bought a 3DS and put £20 on the 3DS eShop on day one. However, there was literally NOTHING there of interest so I waited it out. Then I sold my 3DS before I ever bought anything. I contacted Nintendo and asked if I could have the £20 transferred over to the Wii's eShop. No. They said they could only transfer my £20 to another 3DS if I ever buy one again. So Nintendo are sitting on £20 of my money that I might never get to spend unless I buy another 3DS. So neither of these stores/accounts/purchase histories are connected. Presumably the WiiU's store will be a separate entity again? This is worrying.

We don't know yet, but there will hopefully be some kind of work around like with the 3DS.

[IdeaMan]

Yea well, I've been here for over 7 years, have I ever once taunted people or played with news because it was 'fun'? I have far too much respect for the industry, my career, and that of my friends' jobs. I think what's going on here is kind of rude, obnoxious, and not fair to people who generally are excited about an upcoming product announcement.

I don't know, i find it rather immature to "publicly call out" other people who got inside info, in regard to a certain behavior that yourself aren't so shy to use heavily even after your self-righteous justification here. Hit & run 5 words posts, like "what was shown in GDC was impressive" followed by several weeks of not posting aren't rude at all isn't it ? :D They are worse imo than real messages with an actual body of text made of 90% of facts explained and put in context and 10% of teasing, the teasing being here because this bit deserves its own thread + hype-building. And believe me, a lot of people (well, nearly all) in this industry would prefer their game, their productions, being teased by gaming magazines (well, it's the trends since there are dedicated medias about this subject actually) rather than treated by hit & run 5 words messages.

And i try to stick to the topic to answer the hypothetic following questions, i'm not disappearing like some others.

All in all, the different posting styles have both their Pros and Cons, but engaging in a quote & pride war tending toward jealousy (your sudden posts about me screamed "hey my way to release my info is betta than your ! don't read its latest post guys !") or others resentments is bad and immature.

If people in the know are repulsed by this behavior, lead by example instead of keeping mouth closed and letting it happen unchallenged. If you don't like the tease and the attention it garners, drop info and shut them up. Simple, right?

I might have some respect for Harker's mini rant had it not been for his only other post in this thread. It came across more like: "I'll start 10 pages of speculation but out of respect for the industry just watch and laugh... oh, and my insider information is better than his."

No he didn't. It's not like he let a little too much slip in a discussion or got drunk and spilled his guts. It was a drive-by. A completely random tidbit intended to draw attention to himself. And it's not like he hasn't hinted things in other threads. He should have stuck around after his last tidbit. Answered what he could and been open about it. Most of us understand the importance of confidentiality and would have respected him not answer everything (screw those who don't). But at the same time, this board is host to several developers and people in the know who know how to keep their mouth shut completely. If he doesn't want to go there, he shouldn't be saying anything at all. Love him or hate him, Ideaman has been an active participant in these threads for more than just teasing and occasionally leaking. I don't get why someone who has shown little interest in participating in these threads would feel the need come in and call someone else out while doing the same thing. To me, he almost sounds jealous.

+ Ace & other reactions

Exactly

_________________

For the few others expressing their annoyance, it's like the hints are the main bulk of my messages. It's a so unfair generalization that it reeks bad reading comprehension or "ignorance of the plain reality by choice to be able to express my virtual anger against this guy that try to steal the light for himself and i don't like it". Take my yesterday message about the mass produced dev kits. There are like 50 lines of explained and detailed infos, their context, the assumptions we can make about them, and 2 final lines more mysterious, but no, you retain only these, and forgot the crucial and never-heard before news (mass produced dev kits so final, release date to third-parties, the delay in their shipping, etc.). You can take nearly all my real posts (not the ones announcing that in a few days, i'll write something about a particular subject, to warn people) and see the same thing, and even better without in a lot of them the teasing bit (my posts in thread 2, 3 or 4 were devoid of the final tease that i added yesterday).

For the ones that ridiculously keep asking what i said since 2 months and half, well, just do a search by username on thread 2, 3 & 4 and you'll be surprised, but the fact that they sum up these posts by "amount of memory + v5 dev kits", and when you compare this to the reality of my contributions, it's rather telling about these guys unfairness, weird bitterness and i would say iniquitous attitude. And literally asking people, like one posted (always the same), to backlash someone and crave for this perspective is SO weird and bannable i guess ?

I dunno, I don't mind Ideaman's style of posting. It's not like he is really being a dick, it just seems like he is as excited as we are. At the very least I appreciate that the puts a fair amount of time into each of his posts to explain what he is posting and where it is coming from and so on.

I totally understand how his method of almost delivering information can cause supreme annoyance, but I feel the need to defend IdeaMan because he brings a lot of good to this thread *beyond* the discussion of secrets. He seems to be one of a seemingly small number of people who actively try to discuss the potential gameplay applications raised by the DRC, and he never gets caught in that endless speczchat rut that we find ourselves in on a daily basis. I find that a breath if fresh air.

I'm gonna defend him as well. He was the one who told us about Rayman Legends before the trailer was released. Maybe you don't like his style, treating the guy like crap for it isn't good at all. He has added quite a bit to discussions and even engages us with new ideas and theories. People shouldn't take this current situation as an avenue to straight up dog the guy. It's getting a little out of hand.

I completely agree with this. I didn't expect many of the regulars in this thread to be so rude, but here they are chasing idea man around with fire and pitchforks like some proverbial monster. I just read nearly 10 pages from earlier today and half of those pages were spent shitting on a poster because of his style of giving information? The sad part is most of you claimed to not even question his legitimacy anymore. If you don't like the way he posts then that's fine, but the responses to his method were just clearly distasteful.

thanks and to the others "defending" me (i find it ridiculous that we have to go to such extent. And yes EloquentM, it's disappointing and surprising for some regulars. This is why i said some seems weirdly obsessed by me & my posting style) :)

_________

Now, i thought i justified myself enough to the occasional vocal people, a pity that everytime, just one person expresses its concerns behind my back then some others jump to the same ship, polluting the thread with annoying and uninteresting messages. You said (for the 100th time) your problems, i answered, end of the story, it would be cool to avoid the unnecessary and juvenile quoting war.

[TerryWogan]

We don't know yet, but there will hopefully be some kind of work around like with the 3DS.

What's the workaround? Do you mean DSi >> 3DS?

[MYE]

How are the DBZ powerlevels on this thing looking?

SSJ3 Goku after a moderate beatdown and no magic beans

[BurntPork]

Yes, and I'm not sure how the whole comparison thing is going to shape up. The whole "HOW MANY 360s" and "DOES IT COMPARE TO THE WII SITUATION" thing was stupid from the get go and still is, trying to simplify are complicated situation. No idea. All I know is the PS4's target specs were pretty impressive. They also match reports (that came much later) that the PS4 was targeting PC-like architecture. I don't doubt bg. I doubt bg's 'source', because I've seen no evidence to suggest his source is to be trusted.

I don't think it's as complicated as you think it is. It really does come down to feature set in the end. The iPhone 4 is in the same league as the Wii in terms of horsepower, yet Wii doesn't run UE3. Do you really think think that Epic wouldn't have put UE3 on Wii if it had programmable shaders?

There's not much more to it. The rest comes down to business decisions, so if Wii U sells well, it's in the clear.

[teeny]

So, er, this has probably been asked/answered on one of the many pages of one of the many threads, but here goes: Will Virtual Console purchases carry over? I ask because I'm a little concerned. Take my example: I bought a 3DS and put £20 on the 3DS eShop on day one. However, there was literally NOTHING there of interest so I waited it out. Then I sold my 3DS before I ever bought anything. I contacted Nintendo and asked if I could have the £20 transferred over to the Wii's eShop. No. They said they could only transfer my £20 to another 3DS if I ever buy one again. So Nintendo are sitting on £20 of my money that I might never get to spend unless I buy another 3DS. So neither of these stores/accounts/purchase histories are connected. Presumably the WiiU's store will be a separate entity again? This is worrying.

It is likely only the Wii store is the anomaly. The thing is poorly designed, from the things I have heard and read, and completely backwards.

With the DS / 3DS and most likely the Wii U, things will be different.

Im not sure how a transfer will work - maybe a channel on the Wii that "connects" to the Wii U and sends some kind of authorisation to copy stuff over, I dont really know. But Nintendo kind of have to honour people's Wii VC purchases, especially considering they worked hard with the DSi -> 3DS transfer.

[Neoriceisgood]

SSJ3 Goku after a moderate beatdown and no magic beans

Oh wow, so it's a lot more powerful than a few months ago? Cool!

[Antioch]

Wii U Speculation Thread VI: Lord of the Flies

Someone change the current thread title to this.

[z0m3le]

So. We have multiple sources that we know have information, including someone who is "too reasonable for this forum" saying that he Wii U is indeed quite a bit more powerful. Not a generational leap, but it never was. I just... I dunno. You guys, every few weeks you seem to want to slip back into your dooming and glooming. Completely ignore every thing we've heard. It's a bit annoying.

This a million times. I've actually been coming to this thread less and less since E3 is so close and everyone is still doom and gloom.

Here is a fact that I'll bring up one more time... Wii wasn't a modern console when it was released, it wasn't able to understand multiplatform game codes, so games had to be built from the ground up for the machine. Wii U won't have this problem, so the specs don't really matter, it's obviously going to be the most advance console when it releases this year, and nothing that the PS4 or Xbox3 could do from a developer's perspective, couldn't be done on the Wii U with only the scope changing.

[GDGF]

Wii U Speculation Thread VI: Lord of the Flies

I know, right?

[EatChildren]

I don't think it's as complicated as you think it is. It really does come down to feature set in the end. The iPhone 4 is in the same league as the Wii in terms of horsepower, yet Wii doesn't run UE3. Do you really think think that Epic wouldn't have put UE3 on Wii if it had programmable shaders? There's not much more to it. The rest comes down to business decisions, so if Wii U sells well, it's in the clear.

I think I understand hardware pretty well, BurntPork. It's going to be interesting to see how the Wii U shapes up in a potentially compute shader heavy engine environment.

And I don't know why you roped in UE into the argument, given I said nothing about it.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

anyways my god it is like lord of the flies in here..

Still stand by this lol! people are just tearing people apart..we really need a leak..

[HylianTom]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

It would seem so, between the IdeaMan stuff and the UE4 fretting.
(very glad that I slept through all of that. hmm.)

I'm taking it all in stride; we'll know in twenty-something days. Might as well enjoy the pre-circus entertainment..

[Kjellson]

So what is going on now? Everyone is talking about IdeaMan more than ever it seems. What did he say?

[BurntPork]

I think I understand hardware pretty well, BurntPork. It's going to be interesting to see how the Wii U shapes up in a potentially compute shader heavy engine environment. And I don't know why you roped in UE into the argument, given I said nothing about it.

It was the easiest example I could think of.

Though, I'm an idiot. I forgot that Wii U probably won't have compute shaders. Yeah, that could end up killing it. I really wish that Wii U having something similar to an underclocked 7750 were possible...

[AceBandage]

So what is going on now? Everyone is talking about IdeaMan more than ever it seems. What did he say?

Nothing outrageous.
Which is what makes this all the more amusing.

[FoxHimself]

You know what I despise, people talking about other people behind their back. People have an issue with Ideaman's posts, then tell it to him personally via PM or when he is online. Why am I reading about the personality of a poster vs speculations about the game console and the companies behind it? As long as Ideaman is telling me something new about the console or games for it, I don't care how he does it. In the end, no matter what anybody tells us, even so called "insiders", its all meaningless until Nintendo officially announces it. So the whole thread by definition is one big tease. And we are all masochists for coming back to it.

Haha, what is this? Do you not know how a message board works?

IdeaMan is full of himself, and being all "Oh I know something you don't nya-nya" for weeks used to be a bannable offense here.

[TriGen]

This a million times. I've actually been coming to this thread less and less since E3 is so close and everyone is still doom and gloom. Here is a fact that I'll bring up one more time... Wii wasn't a modern console when it was released, it wasn't able to understand multiplatform game codes, so games had to be built from the ground up for the machine. Wii U won't have this problem, so the specs don't really matter, it's obviously going to be the most advance console when it releases this year, and nothing that the PS4 or Xbox3 could do from a developer's perspective, couldn't be done on the Wii U with only the scope changing.

Yeah, it's amazing the twists and turns the thread takes. It feels like what Ace said, everything is going fine, and then bam, people go back to almost pre-E3 last year level speculation, we have learned some stuff during these threads since. If we go by what we've heard, the Wii U is likely to be better by a noticeable margin over current-gen, but it won't be as powerful as Sony/Microsoft's next-gen offerings, but it will likely be just close enough to handle ports. That could prove to be false, but we are getting close to seeing with our own eyes what's going on, so their doesn't seem to be much point in arguing/debating now.

I'm just kind of surprised with less then a month to go, that power is still the most talked about thing. I assumed at this point most people would be focused on what games may, or may not be seen at E3, and how they will be affected by the sub-screen.

[Sadist]

Oh boy, pre-E3 unfriendly time is here. Happens every year.

[Nibel]

So. We have multiple sources that we know have information, including someone who is "too reasonable for this forum" saying that he Wii U is indeed quite a bit more powerful. Not a generational leap, but it never was.

Why is Alberto "too reasonable" anyways? I bet if he wasn't, he would spill the beans about everything.
I'm usually not doing this, but sometimes a monkey has to take one for the team, right? We need to get reasonable side out of his heart..



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