[Smiles and Cries]

Is it too early to start the PS4 speculation thread?

Of all topics discussed in this thread, this is one of the most stupid we had

puff the thread is young, and u r so not ban proof :P

[Skiesofwonder]

+ your other defamatory posts where you said that i "insulted" people ? (lol, because pointing out to just ONE person that he seems too focused, obsessed, with the posting style of someone, is an insult ? others already answered to you on that matter, it's ridiculous AND defamatory). 1/3 of its late participation was bitter posts about me & my messages. And everytime someone expressed its doubts, he jumped to the ship. It was akin to an obsession. I get it, if you want to say to someone you don't like his posting style, you doubt him, that's fine, but repeating it 10 times ? There's a problem. And the search function of the forum proves it. Now, that's it Krev ? Can the thread be spared of all this pollution ? Thanks :)

I have no idea why you are trying your best to bring me into this silly conversation which I have sat idly by not saying a word because I do agree it is shitting up this entire thread.

I have no obsession with you, sorry to disappoint you. Please do use the search function btw, because I've probably made 10 posts with your name in them over my last 300 or so. That's 1/30, Not "1/3" like you love to state. The only reason I even address you in the first place is because this is my most frequent thread on the board and hell the topic of you seems to be brought up more then Nintendo itself lately. Like Eatchildren said, I have just as much of a right to point out your posting style just as much as you do to post the way you do. So lay off the "pity me" routine please.

The only pity needed here is for this thread, which has become a massive fricken headache. I enjoy discussing everything with you guys/gals, but E3 can't come soon enough.

[BurntPork]

Does it really get that bad?

From my lurking last E3, yep.

[Cheesecakebobby]

Is it too early to start the PS4 speculation thread?

Depends, does Ideaman have insider info about the colour of the power cable on PS4 devkits?

[Agent Unknown]

I asked this once, I'll ask it again. Why are Ideaman's posts given weight, especially with the recent drama for the sake of drama? Excuse me for being overly skeptical, but this seems like the actions of a bored 13 year old, not someone with actual information.

This is what makes me a bit suspicious as well.

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Depends, does Ideaman have insider info about the colour of the power cable on PS4 devkits?

[EatChildren]

Does it really get that bad?

Yes, but for all parties. E3 brings out the worst fanboy in everybody, and like Bruce Banner dealing with the Hulk, some just aren't able to keep it in check.

As long as people don't act like fucking idiots, they won't get banned.

That should be in the TOS.

[Redford]

[Twenty7KVN]

Depends, does Ideaman have insider info about the colour of the power cable on PS4 devkits?

I'm more interested in the type of power button they'll use.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Things that have been supported by Nintendo since Wii or earlier: - online multiplayer, leaderboards, matchmaking - online store with digital game/app downloads including things like Netflix - voice chat (and not even just WiiSpeak, DS had voice chat, Wii has a headset) - rudimentary friend lists - video channel with regular news, trailers, and other custom content - web browser - automatic delivery of digital content via WiiConnect24 (see Brawl custom stages) - patches (see Conduit and Call of Duty online multi patches) - DLC (see Rock Band, My Life as a King) Areas where the 3DS has improved: - universal friend list that applies to all games - notification that a friend is online and what they are playing - apps that can be run without exiting out of your game session, including the friend list and web browser - online store better organized to show off certain content, videos, screenshots - game demos for both digital and retail - background downloading of large files like demos - better support for automatic delivery of digital content (see Nintendo Video, Kid Icarus) - online communities/rooms with certain rule sets (Mario Kart 7) - transfer of digital purchases from one device to another Areas where we know the 3DS (and presumably WiiU) will continue to improve: - smoother transfer of digital purchases between devices; an account that tracks purchases independent of hardware (see Nintendo investor meeting January) - better patch support (see Nintendo investor meeting April) - better DLC support - support for digital releases of retail games - voice chat with people outside of your friend list (Heroes of Ruin) What else is needed/desired? Achievements, party chat, better pop-up notifications of what your friends are doing?

I think Nintendo is on the right path just need it more streamlined.. adding friends you play with in games makes making friends easier, Friend online pop up, notfications showing who messaging within the interface Wii had it but on 3DS you gotta go to swapnote to send some kinda message..basicly just make it all simple and accessable within the interface.

[Smiles and Cries]

HYPE!!! WOOOOOOOOooooOoOOOOOOOOO! I feel this week will be awesome!

holy shit I thought it was Monday and damn one less day of waiting for my WiiU

saving my money right now

Depends, does Ideaman have insider info about the colour of the power cable on PS4 devkits?

IM you just became a Meme congrats my friend!

[Cheesecakebobby]

I'm more interested in the type of power button they'll use.

There will be 10 power buttons because that's 10x the number of power buttons a 360 has.

[beje]

What else is needed/desired?

Wrapping everything up in a decent user interface where everything is integrated and we don't need extra hoops like in the Wii where everything "works" but only by itself and completely standalone. The 3DS addressed it more or less right but they still need to centralize online net code into the OS so it's not hard-coded into the games to avoid stuff like the friend list "Join" option only working with two first party games and not with others that even were released later.

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I'm more interested in the type of power button they'll use.

This would be funny if people didnn't care about such petty things but here, they really do.

People actually criticized the design/location of the 3DS power button.

A FRICKING POWER BUTTON.

[Redford]

Wrapping everything up in a decent user interface where everything is integrated and we don't need extra hoops like in the Wii where everything "works" but only by itself and completely standalone. The 3DS addressed it more or less right but they still need to centralize online net code into the OS so it's not hard-coded into the games to avoid stuff like the friend list "Join" option only working with two first party games and not with others that even were released later.

This. Just a general GUI improvement is all I need.

[User Tron]

@Ideaman: You put yourself into the spotlight, now take the heat. I concur with others that while you seem like a nice guy, you didn't provide any real info.

[Grampa Simpson]

I've been on GAF too long... I knew backlash was coming but I thought it would come with the Meltdowns closer to E3 I am really afraid for this thread come E3... Nintendo Meltdowns are the worst, epic and funny to watch but they can mean tons of bannings you guys cannot even relax and deal with a little teasing and hint dropping now, how would you survive E3?

In style. I plan to watch GAF explode while sipping on mojitos and wearing a hawaiian shirt - Bruce Campbell style.

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Wii most/any Wii U games actually use voicechat unlike Nintendo's past multiplayer/online games???

[Sadist]

Haha, the E3 2006 thread is a fun read. I mean, it's awesome. Love all the reactions.

Can't wait for all the crazy shit to happen during this year.

[Redford]

Wii most/any Wii U games actually use voicechat unlike Nintendo's past multiplayer/online games???

I would hope that they separate the function from the games, so you can do whatever you like and still chat.

[Smiles and Cries]

I hope the PS4 is next holiday I don't really want the WiiU to be out alone too long the sooner we get pass all of the duct-tape weaker than BS the better it will be for gamers on here

Yes, but for all parties. E3 brings out the worst fanboy in everybody, and like Bruce Banner dealing with the Hulk, some just aren't able to keep it in check. As long as people don't act like fucking idiots, they won't get banned. That should be in the TOS.

oh you are asking too much for GAF... even if the old guys got over it and are now too old for that stuff... the newbies are going to go all nutty

the only good thing is there are not enough mods to catch all the of them

[UncleSporky]

Wrapping everything up in a decent user interface where everything is integrated and we don't need extra hoops like in the Wii where everything "works" but only by itself and completely standalone. The 3DS addressed it more or less right but they still need to centralize online net code into the OS so it's not hard-coded into the games to avoid stuff like the friend list "Join" option only working with two first party games and not with others that even were released later.

Yeah. I'm not trying to deny problems at all or say "everything has already been perfect for years!" but at the same time I don't think Nintendo gets enough credit.

If they follow through and do provide what you're asking for, I imagine there will still be a ton of people talking about how Nintendo still doesn't get it...just because it's not XBox Live.

[MYE]

This thread went salty pretty quickly lol

[IdeaMan]

I concede that 'insult' was too strong a word. It really annoyed me when I saw you insinuating that Skiesofwonder had 'problems' because of his posts expressing doubt in you (which I think is a perfectly reasonable stance), but it's true that in general you've been rather polite. I was wrong to use that word repeatedly. However, I maintain that your claim that you had no problem with people expressing doubt or annoyance at your posts, or even encouraged it, is demonstrably total b.s.

Just read the thread 2, 3, or 4.

A few people told publicly here their doubts about me and my news since my very first message. There were strong reactions, with some personal attacks, after my second leak about the memory (which pushed the until then guessed range of total RAM from 1GB-1,5GB to 1,5GB-2GB basically). I just wrote a big wall of text of justification, then tried to legitimate my info through lherre, and that's was it, even when i read some posters publicly stating their doubts, i'm fine with it, only if it's polite. It wasn't the case for 1 or 2 regulars with whom i talked in private to not pollute this topic. Anyone following these threads since the second, saw that the ratio between people questioning me & my info and my answers is like 20:1, because 3/4 of the time, i just ignore those 2 or 3 posts, or make joking answers, for example "i like your abstract anger" to kandinsky or another one to foxhimself, the other two vocals about me here.

And yes, i encouraged people to doubt my info, you can see it RIGHT from my very first post, with TONS of forewords warnings, caution notices, "second-hand knowledge", "dose of subjectivity, etc".

You were unfair and harsh today Krev, i was really O_O during my catch-up session when i read your answers. Recognize it.

As i recognize, and i'm sorry for that, that my posting style can get on the nerves of some.

Let's be happy now, kiss each other, and wait feverishly for E3.

but everyone who seems to enjoy when people express negativity towards me own me some food :p

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I would hope that they separate the function from the games, so you can do whatever you like and still chat.

You just basically enabled voicechat in all games in one sentence, congratulations.

I never thought of that though it makes sense.

It's just mindblowing that games like Mario Kart 7 don't have voicechat even though it's "there".

I'm sick of nothing offensive to say to my friends when I wipe their asses out or they get lucky.

The preset "Not fair" is so infuriatingly not-mean-enough.

[Metroid Hunter]

Hey guys, can we talk about this now:
















In other words, the stupid grey colour. I want red back.

[HylianTom]

(catching-up - lots of patients this morning!)
Regarding the issue of meltdowns, I know one thing:
if I were to ever have a meltdown, I'm doing it "off-camera" - not in here. Not giving certain folks the pleasure of witnessing such a thing.

That said, I am quite a bouyant person when it comes to this stuff. If Nintendo brings the games, my enthusiasm likely won't be dampened. :)

[beje]

Yeah. I'm not trying to deny problems at all or say "everything has already been perfect for years!" but at the same time I don't think Nintendo gets enough credit. If they follow through and do provide what you're asking for, I imagine there will still be a ton of people talking about how Nintendo still doesn't get it...just because it's not XBox Live.

Exactly. For the criticism you read around, it's pretty obvious none of them have even bothered to check how does the online system of a 3DS works, as only downsides are the lack of IM/voice chat (which I hope to get fixed soon) and lack of completely centralized online features that would make life for devs easier.

[Skiesofwonder]

Yes, but for all parties. E3 brings out the worst fanboy in everybody, and like Bruce Banner dealing with the Hulk, some just aren't able to keep it in check. As long as people don't act like fucking idiots, they won't get banned. That should be in the TOS.

That's my secret Cap, I'm always a fanboy.

[bgassassin]

I mentioned the first thread as that's the only conversation I've had with you about the specs. I don't follow these threads close enough (because yeah, they move fast), so it's likely I missed any additional details. As for the PS4 specs, I don't know really know what to think. I'm impressed, and I'd say it is significantly stronger than what I know about the Wii U (which admittedly is limited). In terms of next generation ports, I can't judge until I see what the games are doing. I don't think it will be another Wii, because the Wii was uniquely shit :P.

Yeah Wii was a case I hope we, from a tech spec point, never see again.

With the specs in the first thread, without hearing from anyone at the time the only thing my guess was off on compared to the early, vague target specs was the L2 cache. Which taking a post from B3D along with lherre saying where I was off and surprisingly the "IGN source" before that saying one part was too high caused me to go with 3MB which was accurate. That's what prompted me to start posting some of "IGN source"'s comments over here. Once that part was fixed, I was able to learn more.

With the PS4 I think the specs are very solid, but some out there have stupidly high expectations and those are the ones that need to dial it down some.

I'm not bothered by any doubts. I'm not in the industry and the info I was able to get has been from fortunate timing.

I believe that whole heartily, heck I even think that the distance is probably greater than PS2 to Xbox, but I don't think it's much farther than that. Still there should be nothing stopping ports from coming across all 3 platforms this time, at least from what I've gathered. And while I believe a dedicated GPGPU could really show off true next generation graphics (from things like A.I., freely moving strands of hair, destruction, dust, everything else.) I don't think, functionally it could produce something that can't be faked.

Yeah my take is that dev/pub effort should be the only possible issue with ports

[Twenty7KVN]

This would be funny if people didnn't care about such petty things but here, they really do. People actually criticized the design/location of the 3DS power button. A FRICKING POWER BUTTON.

Yea i know i have it's crazy.I mean you're only going to use that button twice,and it never gets in the way.

[Conor 419]

The thing is, whilst you give us information, it's nothing particularly exciting. You may as well let us wait till the conference and just post as a regular member.

[Smiles and Cries]

I WANT A BLACK WiiU ! Hear me NoA!

Hey guys, can we talk about this now: In other words, the stupid grey colour. I want red back.

No Wai they should go GREEN for 2013

[tkscz]

Been doing some research on that Cryengine tech demo I posted before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkU4H5R2Tg8

A few gafers said the WiiU couldn't run that. I beg to differ, for you see that is the DX9 version of that demo. This is the DX11 version.
And I believe the WiiU could run this too, but at lower settings.

The person running the demo has the Tessellation on extreme, the resolution at 2560x1600, and probably all other settings at their highest. Now say they lowered the res to 720p, tessellation (because I've yet to hear that the WiiU isn't supporting it) at low or medium and everything else at medium levels. At that point I can see the WiiU running it. Though I do understand things are different when it comes to a console.

[Hoo-doo]

nevermind

Did I miss something? I wanted to get some more insight on this as well.

[Krev]

A few people told publicly here their doubts about me and my news since my very first message. There were strong reactions, with some personal attacks, after my second leak about the memory (which pushed the until then guessed range of total RAM from 1GB-1,5GB to 1,5GB-2GB basically). I just wrote a big wall of text of justification, then tried to legitimate my info through lherre, and that's was it, even when i read some posters publicly stating their doubts, i'm fine with it, only if it's polite. It wasn't the case for 1 or 2 regulars with whom i talked in private to not pollute this thread. Anyone following these threads since the second, saw that the ratio between people questioning me & my info and my answers is like 20:1, because 3/4 of the time, i just ignore those 2 or 3 posts, or make joking answers, for example "i like your abstract anger" to kandinsky or another one to foxhimself, the other two vocals about me here. And yes, i encouraged people to doubt my info, you can see it RIGHT from my very first post, with TONS of forewords warnings, caution notices, "second-hand knowledge", "dose of subjectivity, etc".

I recognise that this is true in some instances, but not all. Often you expressed annoyance, offence, or criticism towards people casting doubt on your information. Here is one such post. Here is another.
I haven't done much searching through the threads because honestly, they're way too big to do that. I'm just linking to instances I can recall.

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I have a feeling they are going to show a glimpse of Zelda at the end of E3's Wii U presentation.

For the Wii U.

I know that kind of goes against common sense but I watched some youtube videos fo the Wii U half-reveal and the crowd went apeshit when the Zelda demo hit and they even ended that part of the presentation with the Wii U logo and the demo superimposed into the "U".

If the team has anything, I think we could see a few seconds of it but then again, it might be a while before they even decide on a style/concept.

[Redford]

Hey guys, can we talk about this now: In other words, the stupid grey colour. I want red back.

How about blue? Seems to be an intuitive choice for Wii U.

I have a feeling they are going to show a glimpse of Zelda at the end of E3's Wii U presentation. For the Wii U.

My bets are still on 3DS first. It needs it much more. Plus if they can basically put a game the scale of Windwaker into the handheld, it would more than make up for any disappointment I had with the DS games.

Exactly. For the criticism you read around, it's pretty obvious none of them have even bothered to check how does the online system of a 3DS works, as only downsides are the lack of IM/voice chat (which I hope to get fixed soon) and lack of completely centralized online features that would make life for devs easier.

Like I've said before, the 3DS had nowhere to go but up, and it only came out last year. Just because everyone in this thread is immediately accepting of Nintendo's change in attitude towards this stuff, doesn't mean it has anywhere near sunk in for the general gaming population. Especially since Wii U isn't even out yet. I don't expect them to drop the ball in those areas a second time, but there's no reason not to be skeptical. I wouldn't pass off those things you listed as being minor in any way, also.

[gumby_trucker]

Battalion Wars multiplayer on TV with the tablet player acting as field general with overhead radar and intel and whatnot.

I actually had a cool thought about this when I was originally trying to imagine the tablet controller (back when it was still a rumor).

If it's ergonomically possible to use a wiimote plus in one hand and write on the tablet with your second hand (the tablet resting on a coffee table in front of the TV), you could do some really cool stuff with the interface for an RTS type game.
Imagine moving around on the map and different menus on the tablet while using the wiimote to physically point at units and targets, as in "you! go there!" or select multiple units with the wiimote by dragging a volume around them and then shifting the map on the tablet to the other side of the battlefield to issue a command to attack far away, without changing your default POV on the TV screen.

You could effectively monitor and command two fronts at any given moment - one for offense, another for defense.

[Krev]

Hey guys, can we talk about this now: In other words, the stupid grey colour. I want red back.

The red Nintendo logo is my youth, man. Memories...

[Smiles and Cries]

anyone else feel Ni no Kuni from Level 5 will jump to WiiU for launch?

[UncleSporky]

I have a feeling they are going to show a glimpse of Zelda at the end of E3's Wii U presentation. For the Wii U. I know that kind of goes against common sense but I watched some youtube videos fo the Wii U half-reveal and the crowd went apeshit when the Zelda demo hit and they even ended that part of the presentation with the Wii U logo and the demo superimposed into the "U". If the team has anything, I think we could see a few seconds of it but then again, it might be a while before they even decide on a style/concept.

I don't see this happening, it's too early and they used up their "apeshit Zelda reveal" last year.

I wouldn't predict Nintendo showing things on the basis of how apeshit it makes the crowd. They will certainly show their best stuff, but since Twilight Princess they've kept game announcements and video from being shown too early. They learned their lesson about trying to sustain 2 years of hype.

My bets are still on 3DS first. It needs it much more. Plus if they can basically put a game the scale of Windwaker into the handheld, it would more than make up for any disappointment I had with the DS games.

Yes.

[Strife91]

anyone else feel Ni no Kuni from Level 5 will jump to WiiU for launch?

No, but it would be awesome.

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

How about blue? Seems to be an intuitive choice for Wii U. My bets are still on 3DS first. It needs it much more. Plus if they can basically put a game the scale of Windwaker into the handheld, it would more than make up for any disappointment I had with the DS games.

Well, that's a good bet to show the 3DS one which will be ultra-exciting all in its own but I am thinking they need something at the very end of the E3 presentation for the Wii U to really blow minds in a teasing way.

What game could be the best for leaving on a "HOLY SHIT" note????

I can't think of any bigger than Zelda in the situation.

Maybe Mario, possibly Smash Brothers.

I'd be fine though if they just have several in-depth looks at first party games like Pikmin though, that'd be good enough for me.

[Azure J]

Yeah Wii was a case I hope we, from a tech spec point, never see again. With the specs in the first thread, without hearing from anyone at the time the only thing my guess was off on compared to the early, vague target specs was the L2 cache. Which taking a post from B3D along with lherre saying where I was off and surprisingly the "IGN source" before that saying one part was too high caused me to go with 3MB which was accurate. That's what prompted me to start posting some of "IGN source"'s comments over here. Once that part was fixed, I was able to learn more. With the PS4 I think the specs are very solid, but some out there have stupidly high expectations and those are the ones that need to dial it down some. I'm not bothered by any doubts. I'm not in the industry and the info I was able to get has been from fortunate timing. Yeah my take is that dev/pub effort should be the only possible issue with ports

Not to discuss PS4 in a Wii U oriented thread, but seriously speaking, how can something like what's being rumored (basically a 4 core x86 3.2GHz, 2GB GDDR5 Unified RAM system packing a 7850-like[!!!] GPU) be considered underwhelming in any sense of the word? It's seriously one of the best looking ideas I've seen for a console that is both absurd powerful and cost effective with implications of a strong forward moving design. x86 alone means backwards compatibility forever going forward if Sony sticks to CPUs design on that style of instruction sets.

As for Wii U, I was right there with you making the same kinds of guesses once we got the preliminary information and just from doing moderate reading around the net (I'm nowhere near detective tier, just curious enthusiast tier) I feel very confident in stating that Wii U will sit in a very comfortable position next gen. The issues regarding third parties and games coming to the system won't be anything hardware related at the least. It'll be politics and perception that determines where things go beyond that.

[Sadist]

I'm expecting a big focus on Lego City Stories btw. It's an exclusive title, with a 3DS version next to it. Maybe a connection thing between the two games.

I'm also curious about how the press will react to Batman Arkham City. Last year they were impressed to hear the title would receive a Wii U version. I wonder if the excitement is still there.

[Skiesofwonder]

anyone else feel Nino Kuni from Level 5 will jump to WiiU for launch?

That would be awesome, but I seriously doubt it. Level 5 Isn't real big on porting titles over to other systems (that robot PSVita/3DS and Time Travelers being the exception).

Though I admit the book always being displayed on the U-pad screen would be a great addition to the title.

[Smiles and Cries]

we don't know any WiiU games from Japanese devs outside DQX, Nitendo and a few fighters do we?

Ni No Kuni would be nice

[IdeaMan]

I recognise that this is true in some instances, but not all. Often you expressed annoyance, offence, or criticism towards people casting doubt on your information. Here is one such post. Here is another. I haven't done much searching through the threads because honestly, they're way too big to do that. I'm just linking to instances I can recall.

Well, as i said, there is a ratio of doubts:my reactions. If it exists, it means i have reacted, i have the rights to justify myself isn't it ? And it was only a few answers, and because 1) Some people who already expressed their doubts 1 or 2 times, kept doing it, why pursuing this, it's just a pollution for the thread. 2) Others make generalization about my contributions, so sometimes, i'm defending it.

Now, if we could close this uninteresting conversation, thanks :)

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I'm expecting a big focus on Lego City Stories btw. It's an exclusive title, with a 3DS version next to it. Maybe a connection thing between the two games. I'm also curious about how the press will react to Batman Arkham City. Last year they were impressed to hear the title would receive a Wii U version. I wonder if the excitement is still there.

Is connectivity really going to be a selling point though???

You saw how weak it was with the Gamecube/GBA in support and concepts.

I am not sure that's the right way to go unless it's much more substantial in nature and fun.