[Sajjaja]

Basically selling a DOTA 2 invite, some guy bought it for $25, sent paypal money, sent the invite, all seemed well. Until a few days ago. The dildo fucker files a case saying that I didn't send him an item going on with some bullshit that "I didn't receive a CD with the game and I thought there would be a CD." He goes on with that bullshit despite me knowing full well he's bullshitting me to get his money back. I have screen shots of me friending him, him asking for the invitation, me sending the item, him receiving it, him saying thanks, him playing the game, and him having 18 hours clocked in.

Despite this, eBay files in his favor and eBay gave him $25 dollars back.... to add insult to injury, the fucker messages me today and says, and I quote,
"hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

great game ! but not CD lol
got refund free game."

I'm on the phone with eBay appeals now, and try to find someway for me to submit my evidence of this. I WILL NOT FUCKING LET THIS FUCKER FUCK ME OVER LIKE THIS.


I know typically, eBay doesn't allow the transaction of virtual goods, and this was the first item I sold on eBay, and there were a number of other closed auctions of DOTA so I figured it was allowed.


Ugh... fucking pissed off right now.


UPDATE: Yeah... I'm fucked.

Moral of the story: Don't use eBay or Paypal...

[weekend_warrior]

don't ever sell anything on ebay ever.

[Taco_Human]

Should have traded for some tf2 goods.

[SouthernDragon]

Sold a DotA 2 beta invite...

Still sucks that he did that, though.

[Air Zombie Meat]

Ugh, reading his response irritated the shit out of me. Hopefully someone here will have some advice for you.

[LyleLanley]

don't ever sell anything on ebay ever.

Pretty much. eBay and PayPal will always side with the buyer.

[Dog Problems]

Lesson learned, unfortunately. Don't sell on eBay as the buyers have most of the power now.

[LordCanti]

Basically selling a DOTA 2 invite, some guy bought it for $25, sent paypal money, sent the invite, all seemed well. Until a few days ago. The dildo fucker files a case saying that I didn't send him an item going on with some bullshit that "I didn't receive a CD with the game and I thought there would be a CD." He goes on with that bullshit despite me knowing full well he's bullshitting me to get his money back. I have screen shots of me friending him, him asking for the invitation, me sending the item, him receiving it, him saying thanks, him playing the game, and him having 18 hours clocked in. Despite this, eBay files in his favor and eBay gave him $25 dollars back.... to add insult to injury, the fucker messages me today and says, and I quote, "hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe great game ! but not CD lol got refund free game." I'm on the phone with eBay appeals now, and try to find someway for me to submit my evidence of this. I WILL NOT FUCKING LET THIS FUCKER FUCK ME OVER LIKE THIS. I know typically, eBay doesn't allow the transaction of virtual goods, and this was the first item I sold on eBay, and there were a number of other closed auctions of DOTA so I figured it was allowed. Ugh... fucking pissed off right now.

Welcome to ebay, where sellers get fucked and buyers get shit for free.

[The Grim Heaper]

What a scumbag, hopefully everything goes well.

don't ever sell anything on ebay ever.

Basically.

[krae_man]

I thought selling beta codes was against Ebay's TOS and possibly the beta's TOS?

[MIMIC]

Wow.

That's some shit I'd send over to Anonymous and let them handle it. But like others have said, selling on eBay is practically impossible.

[Seraphinianus]

I thought selling beta codes was against Ebay's TOS.

BRAND NEW PENCIL (w/ dota code)

[Dog Problems]

Wow. That's some shit I'd send over to Anonymous and let them handle it. But like others have said, selling on eBay is practically impossible.

It was probably one of them who did it lol

[DrForester]

Aren't selling the invites against steam ToS and EBay ToS?

[Sajjaja]

I thought selling beta codes was against Ebay's TOS.

It's not really a code, he has the game early. It's a F2P game but it's early access and he has it forever. Not like CS:GO.

Aren't selling the invites against steam TOS and EBay ToS?

Everyone does it lol. >_>

Ugh......... why do people like this exist.......................

[zychi]

Had the same thing happen with the new ipad. Sold a 32 giger to a guy with a verified address, used shipping confirmation, and made him sign it to receive it.

Not ten minutes after he signed for it he did a chargeback on his credit card, paypal gave him the money back, ebay STILL took seller fees from me, and he now has a free ipad and my money.

Called his local police station, "we don't deal with fraud and for all we know you could be lying! You said you're from xx right? maybe next time you won't sell something on the internet. Have a nice day."

Welcome to the real world of shitty people.

[krae_man]

It's not really a code, he has the game early. It's a F2P game but it's early access and he has it forever. Not like CS:GO. Ugh......... why do people like this exist.......................

So he's selling something that's free? Probably against the games TOS so the account could get banned at any time could it not?

[GK86]

I was very fortunate that I was never fucked over on ebay. But it's always in the back of my head when I put something up for sell.

Hopefully they see your evidence, and give you your money back.

[rezuth]

Paypal fucked me Over recently regarding some tf2 items I sold. I have proof and all but they won't listen and just keep saying the case is closed, now I have a minus 35 USD in my account.

[worldrevolution]

Had the same thing happen with the new ipad. Sold a 32 giger to a guy with a verified address, used shipping confirmation, and made him sign it to receive it. Not ten minutes after he signed for it he did a chargeback on his credit card, paypal gave him the money back, ebay STILL took seller fees from me, and he now has a free ipad and my money. Called his local police station, "we don't deal with fraud and for all we know you could be lying! You said you're from xx right? maybe next time you won't sell something on the internet. Have a nice day." Welcome to the real world of shitty people.

For big sales like that isn't a money order the safest way? I get it, the ease of internet transactions, but it takes 5 seconds of reconsideration to realize your scenario is a possible and likely outcome.

[Kenak]

Had the same thing happen with the new ipad. Sold a 32 giger to a guy with a verified address, used shipping confirmation, and made him sign it to receive it. Not ten minutes after he signed for it he did a chargeback on his credit card, paypal gave him the money back, ebay STILL took seller fees from me, and he now has a free ipad and my money. Called his local police station, "we don't deal with fraud and for all we know you could be lying! You said you're from xx right? maybe next time you won't sell something on the internet. Have a nice day." Welcome to the real world of shitty people.

I would go on a road trip.

[LordCanti]

Paypal fucked me Over recently regarding some tf2 items I sold. I have proof and all but they won't listen and just keep saying the case is closed, now I have a minus 35 USD in my account.

I sold a pair of headphones for $250-ish on head-fi, and shipped them out to Canada from the US. Canada Post decided that attempting delivery once was enough, and proceeded to lose the package (it would inevitably get returned to sender, but I didn't know that at the time). Right about at this time, Paypal froze my account with the $250 in it (even though the buyer never complained or anything), making it impossible for me to do anything other than give the other person a refund. Had the phones not come back, I'd have been out $250 and a pair of expensive headphones.

They just don't care.

For big sales like that isn't a money order the safest way? I get it, the ease of internet transactions, but it takes 5 seconds of reconsideration to realize your scenario is a possible and likely outcome.

Good luck convincing a buyer to use a form of payment where all the power is with the seller, especially when they can just go on Ebay and have all the power themselves.

[dimb]

Basically selling a DOTA 2 invite...

This isn't yours to sell. You deserved to get scammed.

[grap3fruitman]

The Paypal transaction gave you his physical address, right? Burn his house down and then leave a note that says "hehehehehe."

I'm clearly joking.

[2San]

Hard to feel sorry for you when you sold a Beta code. Karma's a bitch, I guess.

Had the same thing happen with the new ipad. Sold a 32 giger to a guy with a verified address, used shipping confirmation, and made him sign it to receive it. Not ten minutes after he signed for it he did a chargeback on his credit card, paypal gave him the money back, ebay STILL took seller fees from me, and he now has a free ipad and my money. Called his local police station, "we don't deal with fraud and for all we know you could be lying! You said you're from xx right? maybe next time you won't sell something on the internet. Have a nice day." Welcome to the real world of shitty people.

Look this is a real problem.

[Makoto]

I sort of feel for you, OP but all I can do is echo the sentiments already stated. That being don't sell on eBay.

This isn't yours to sell. You deserved to get scammed.

While "deserved" is taking it a bit too far, I can only "sort of" feel for the OP because why were you selling a beta code to begin with? (rhetorical question, to make money, I know)

[worldrevolution]

Good luck convincing a buyer to use a form of payment where all the power is with the seller, especially when they can just go on Ebay and have all the power themselves.

I mean..I've been buying/selling stuff on the internet since 96..before Paypal and Amazon and eBay.. I never ran into these issues and still never run into these issues assuming I take the time to protect myself and ensure a safe transaction. If someone isn't willing to pay with a form of payment I request, I don't sell it to them. Not that hard. I've probably sent/received over a thousand money orders in all of these years. Yes, I do use Paypal or bank transfers as well, but, again, only after properly screening potential buyers.

[SmokeMaxX]

For the iPad, I believe Paypal will actually side with the seller if he has some sort of shipping confirmation UNLESS the seller says "the item sent me a box of rocks." Otherwise you can prove that you sent it. Beware though- the box of rocks thing is common. I was looking up eBay scams (after being scammed myself) and found that that method is recommended.

Don't sell digital goods on eBay unless it's your only option. If you get scammed once, you lose the money you would've had, you lose your item, and you get charged a chargeback resolution fee of like $20-30. So you essentially lose out 3x off one asshole. I had a buyer who had like 5 sellers leave chargeback warnings against him and Paypal STILL sided with the scammer buyer.

[snacknuts]

don't ever sell anything on ebay ever.

Where am I supposed to sell stuff for the best possible price? I have an iPhone 4S I want to unload and I am leery of messing with ebay at this point (although I have had excellent luck in the past).

[LordCanti]

I mean..I've been buying/selling stuff on the internet since 96..before Paypal and Amazon and eBay.. I never ran into these issues and still never run into these issues assuming I take the time to protect myself and ensure a safe transaction. If someone isn't willing to pay with a form of payment I request, I don't sell it to them. Not that hard. I've probably sent/received over a thousand money orders in all of these years. Yes, I do use Paypal or bank transfers as well, but, again, only after properly screening potential buyers.

I've tried selling things through money order. Maybe it's because of the year we live in, but no one I've found is willing to risk it. The best alternative to Paypal I can convince people to use is Amazon, and even then people are worried about why I'm not just using the service that "everyone uses".

I'm not sure what you sell, but if people are willing to buy it via money order, you've got a good thing going.

For the iPad, I believe Paypal will actually side with the seller if he has some sort of shipping confirmation UNLESS the seller says "the item sent me a box of rocks." Otherwise you can prove that you sent it. Beware though- the box of rocks thing is common. I was looking up eBay scams (after being scammed myself) and found that that method is recommended.

Having them sign for the package is supposed to be good enough, but it seems like that isn't even a guarantee these days.

[starchild excalibur]

Where am I supposed to sell stuff for the best possible price? I have an iPhone 4S I want to unload and I am leery of messing with ebay at this point (although I have had excellent luck in the past).

Craigslist. Meet in a public place. Accept only cash. Done.

Back when the iPhone 3G was new, I got about $550 for mine within 30 minutes of putting it on Craigslist. No PayPal fees. No eBay fees. No shipping.

[Anony]

that's what you get for trying to sell a 'free' game

the least you could have done was a steam trade, but you got greedy

[Brera]

In this day and age I'd be reluctant to sell large stuff on ebay. I don't know how companies survive. There must be scammers everywhere!

Having said that, I'm set up an ebay shop today selling iPhone accessories. Low value goods, high volume is the way to go. I can absorb the odd douche trying it on!

[Dog Problems]

Where am I supposed to sell stuff for the best possible price? I have an iPhone 4S I want to unload and I am leery of messing with ebay at this point (although I have had excellent luck in the past).

Try the Buy/Sell/Trade thread here on GAF.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457688

[TheSeks]

Try the Buy/Sell/Trade thread here on GAF. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457688

Or Craigslist if he wants to go local but that has it's own issues like Ebay and GAF do.

[Kyoufu]

Thread backfire :lol

[Sajjaja]

Just got off of eBay appeals.... they ain't doing fuck all..... They require "tracking information," in order for something to be done and say that I listed it wrong despite me having what I have....

Guess the only thing eBay is good for is buying cheap cellphone cases from Hong Kong...... It is what it is I guess, lesson learned.

I understand why you're mad, but it's not like you lost money, considering the "product" you were offering. Move on, dude. It's not worth the stress. Oh, and don't ever deal with eBay or PayPal again.

Yeah... but I have to pay eBay back $2 cause I only got $23 in my PP account which changed due to currency exchange.... W/e. I'll get over it, just pissed off how it happened mostly.

[Brazil]

I understand why you're mad, but it's not like you lost money, considering the "product" you were offering. Move on, dude. It's not worth the stress.

Oh, and don't ever deal with eBay or PayPal again.

Edit - Just to clarify: I understand your feelings completely. I'd be mad the same way you are now. But you won't get your money back, unfortunately. If you try to fight this guy through eBay, the only thing you'll get is a headache.

[worldrevolution]

I'm not sure what you sell, but if people are willing to buy it via money order, you've got a good thing going.

I realize in this day and age people are quickly shying away from "paper" but if you were going to sell a car to someone, even face to face, would you ask them to paypal you the money? We're not quite there yet with making everything into invisible electronic waves.

[XBOX HIVES]

eBay is notoriously anti-seller when it comes to their claims process. Unfortunately, I think you're boned.

[evil solrac v3.0]

It's not really a code, he has the game early. It's a F2P game but it's early access and he has it forever. Not like CS:GO. Everyone does it lol. >_> Ugh......... why do people like this exist.......................

and if everyone jumps off the bridge...?

I've always had good experiences on Ebay, both selling and buying. just last night I bought some speakers for helf off the listed price.

[Sajjaja]

and if everyone jumps off the bridge...?

....yolo >_>

[worldrevolution]

and if everyone jumps off the bridge...?

In this age? Everyone 25 and below would jump and tweet while midair.

[PumpkinPie]

I sold my Steam account when I got rid of my PC, the buyer was so nice he actually sent me a message saying his son only played games on weekends and asked me if I wanted to use the account through the week, even though he had paid me for it. I declined, but I felt fuzzy inside because of his kindness.

[Dog Problems]

In this age? Everyone 25 and below would jump and tweet while midair.

Don't forget the ducklip photos the girls would take.

[iNvid02]

the paypal protection does not cover intangible goods so see if you can use this

also, if you ever sell digital goods like psn credit on eBay i always make sure to
tell the buyer that i'll be posting them a copy too just in case - stops most assholes

[Sajjaja]

the paypal protection does not cover intangible goods so see if you can use this also, if you ever sell digital goods like psn credit on eBay i always make sure to tell the buyer that i'll be posting them a copy too just in case - stops most assholes

Care to elaborate?

[iNvid02]

Care to elaborate?

see here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...UAeBay-outside

Items are eligible unless they are excluded below: Real estate, motor vehicles, capital equipment, travel tickets, and events tickets Intangible items Services Items purchased using PayPal Payments Pro or Virtual Terminal You may not file a dispute for a Personal Payment

i think they changed it, after reading some more it says buyer protection is not eligible for intangible goods
if they were purchased off or outside of eBay, seems like everything is covered if through ebay

this happened to me a few years ago and they didnt refund the guy because i stated it was a digital item

good news for buyers and scammers, bad news for you saj

all i can suggest now is emailing paypal office of executive escalations, i only have a UK number/email though

[LordCanti]

Paypal already awarded the buyer his funds back, didn't they? I doubt they'll take them back based on their rules (that they should have known about before awarding him money).

I wonder if you could snitch to Valve about the code being stolen OP, and at least get the guys ability to play the game revoked.

He did this to you:



The least you could do is return the favor.

[smurfx]

Despite this, eBay files in his favor and eBay gave him $25 dollars back.... to add insult to injury, the fucker messages me today and says, and I quote, "hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe great game ! but not CD lol got refund free game."