[apana]

It's a positive thing that Nolan's Batman series is ending. Because as long as that Batman is going then there is basically no chance of setting up a universe where all these characters can exist.

Nolan is producing the next film as well, I expect them to be realistic but lets see where he goes. I don't really care about justice league, good Batman and Superman films are what I want to see and both characters can do big numbers box office wise. The sad thing is I don't think there is any way the next Batman films can match the Nolan trilogy.

[Replicant]

Why do people hate the (Nolan) Batman movies for having themes beyond "lol this is cool because he's Batman"?

Because it's boring and preachy? Because it's not the kind of Batman films I'd rather see on cinema? His Batman films look more like crime films than anything resembling the comic book that I know. I'd sooner play Batman: Arkham City if I want to see something similar to the comic.

[Zebra]

DC has it tough if they really want a Justice League movie Marvel style. Batman would have to be rebooted after TDKR Superman would need another reboot and its latest one isn't even out yet Green Lantern DEAD wont see another for at least 10 years Flash wont even be attempted after GL bombed Wonder Woman female hero = wont attempt, animated DTV was great though and nobody cares about MM or Hawkgirl/man.

Yup. DC has too many obstacles to overcome if they want to go the Marvel route. However, I see potential in the possibility of just making a justice league movie without any prequel films. Entirely fresh cast, without wasting too much time on origins. Everyone knows these superheroes, just throw in a threat to the planet that summons all of them together.
The Avengers has worked for people that haven't seen any of the earlier films. If it's handled with enough care, a justice league movie could do the same.

It's Zack Snyder. What could possibly go wrong?

I can see the boring, gritty, slow-mo, high-contrast fight scenes in my head.

Ugh.

[Ezalc]

The movie is a popcorn eating, face melting, kick you in the balls and scream for more summer action movie not On Golden Pond. It doesnt mean it wasnt good. And Whedon's right, Marvel is just better than DC.

Didn't melt faces, I don't want more if it means having a character who's supposed to be some military expert do some truly stupid shit, it was a kick in the balls alright. It was an alright movie, but there was some really bad parts that holds the movie back.

Don't particularly care for either universe, none of the heroes in the movie interested me. Only Black Widow did but that's because it was ScarJo in a tight suit rather than her character.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877830/

When Robinov made that announcement, I did all the facepalms.

[Krogan]

Once Nolan is done with Batman what is there to look forward to from DC?

[Dany M]

Once Nolan is done with Batman what is there to look forward to from DC?

Man of Steel by the greatest, Zack Synder!

[apana]

Once Nolan is done with Batman what is there to look forward to from DC?

Superman Vengeance by Senor Spielbergo.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Once Nolan is done with Batman what is there to look forward to from DC?

They got Man of Steel and the third Batman reboot. Then there have been talks of Flash. Green Arrow is a safe bet. And of course, they will always act like Super Max will happen.

Really, though, there are only so many superhero films you can do without sequels and/or going into C-Lister territory.

[DMczaf]

lol @ people thinking Nolan is done with WB/DC after TDKR. He's already producing the Batman reboot, along with Man of Steel next summer. WB is keeping his name on DC movies for a long time after the Green Lantern fiasco with Geoff Johns fucking things up.

[ZiZ]

DC should do a real reboot.

I like some of the ideas mentioned here:
http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/...justice-league

[tenchir]

You should... I don't know... Read the comics about the character you're talking about. Batman is nowhere close to being a psychopath. The Punisher is a psychopath, The Batman isn't.

Batman's a billionaire with almost unlimited resources compared to other super heroes. He could easily spend some of his money on doing more good instead of going out every night risking his life against criminals and beating them senseless. His sense of justice is almost as twisted as the Punisher. With the Punisher, none of people he killed can ever do more harm to innocent lives. Batman just keeps catching them only for them to escape later on..... How many damn time did Batman catch the Joker only for him to escape later on to kill more people?

[Router]

Also you people act like you DON'T want a Booster Gold movie.

[Tobor]

They should call Mark Waid, and have him write a script. If anyone understands the JLA, it's him.

[DMczaf]

Seriously, that Green Lantern ending. I bust Captain America's balls for being transparent with it's "Fuck, were running out of time. SETUP THE AVENGERS!" ending, but Green Lantern's setup for a sequel is the worse I've seen in the last decade. It made absolutely NO sense. I can't even make up a reason for why it would make sense.

[Ninja Scooter]

Hopefully they don't do it. DC doesn't have to. They have one character (Batman) who is greater than Marvel's entire shitty roster.

[LuchaShaq]

Yes, because if there's one thing we need more of, it's completely brainless, meaningless blockbusters that don't at least attempt something greater. What backlash? You mean the kind from a handful of contrarians like the one above? I think you're misusing the term; just because there's a couple people who dislike something doesn't mean there's a "backlash." That always exists. TDK and BB are generally well-regarded, both on the internet and by general audiences.

This.

Before this thread the only two complaints about the batman Nolan movies I literally have ever heard are.

1. Bale's raspy batman voice

2. Katie Holmes/Maggie being poor at both acting and eye candy

3. Backlash against the overly effusive praise of ledger that was blown out of proportion due to his death.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

DC should do a real reboot. I like some of the ideas mentioned here: http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/...justice-league

That was awesome.

Been looking to reread that article for a while now, too.

[DMczaf]

Hopefully they don't do it. DC doesn't have to. They have one character (Batman) who is greater than Marvel's entire shitty roster.

My idea was to just borrow from what DC Animated did and just build Superman and Batman seperately with their own trilogies, and then do a fan service Justice League movie that wouldn't mess with the quality of their respective franchises. No BS fanboy pandering with cameos or storyline setups that will be ignored anyway.

[marrec]

Best way to make a good JLA movie?

Start with The Flash.

[MechDX]

My idea was to just borrow from what DC Animated did and just build Superman and Batman seperately with their own trilogies, and then do a fan service Justice League movie that wouldn't mess with the quality of their respective franchises. No BS fanboy pandering with cameos or storyline setups that will be ignored anyway.

Then you would have casual moviegoers saying "Martian Manwho?'"Why the hell is Aquaman there??""Where are the Wonder Twins!?!?"

Now that I think about it Aquaman is what is holding the JLA movie back.

[DMczaf]

Best way to make a good JLA movie? Start with The Flash.

And since Hollywood only casts the same 5 dudes over and over again, Ryan Reynolds gets another shot at carrying a summer blockbuster. Sooner or later, America will accept his averageness!

Then you would have casual moviegoers saying "Martian Manwho?'"Why the hell is Aquaman there??""Where are the Wonder Twins!?!?" Now that I think about it Aquaman is what is holding the JLA movie back.

If you're casting Aquaman and Wonder Twins, you're already off on the wrong track.

[Router]

This. Before this thread the only two complaints about the batman Nolan movies I literally have ever heard are. 1. Bale's raspy batman voice 2. Katie Holmes/Maggie being poor at both acting and eye candy 3. Backlash against the overly effusive praise of ledger that was blown out of proportion due to his death.

My only complaints about his films are the suit (which did get better as the films went on) bales Batman voice and the fact that due to the real world setting we would never get the more out there characters from the rouges gallery like Killer Croc.

Oh also the lack of actual detective work.

[marrec]

And since Hollywood only casts the same 5 dudes over and over again, Ryan Reynolds gets another shot at carrying a summer blockbuster. Sooner or later, America will accept his averageness!

Nooooo!

The new Spiderman kid would make a fantastic Wally West. Just get a good director and everything else will come together, since the Flash is about 4 times more awesome then Batman.

They need to realize the only character he should ever be playing is Deadpool. The proper one not the Wolverine: Origins one.

Dudepeel?

[Router]

And since Hollywood only casts the same 5 dudes over and over again, Ryan Reynolds gets another shot at carrying a summer blockbuster. Sooner or later, America will accept his averageness!

They need to realize the only character he should ever be playing is Deadpool. The proper one not the Wolverine: Origins one.

[Nesotenso]

Hopefully they don't do it. DC doesn't have to. They have one character (Batman) who is greater than Marvel's entire shitty roster.

Shit like this makes me laugh.

[WillyFive]

Biggest flaw with the movie are the antagonists, seriously overblown and just downright pathetic.

Loki successfully got the army to invade the Earth. And he was a fantastic screen character. He was a strength for the movie, and it made his little scene with the Hulk extremely satisfying.

[G-Fex]

Shit like this makes me laugh.

Yeah, but after a while of hearing it, it just gets old.

Batman is not the end all be all of superheroes.

[Mudkips]

I don't get it, the Avengers movie wasn't even that good.

You are correct, but GAF is currently in the afterglow period. The backlash won't come until the sequel comes out.

[WillyFive]

You are correct, but GAF is currently in the afterglow period. The backlash won't come until the sequel comes out.

I didn't even think about this movie getting a backlash.

I wonder what ridiculous thing we can complain about and say why the general audience is stupid for still liking the movie despite of it.

[ZoddGutts]

In that case, what is stopping them from making a movie that focuses on the JLA B-Listers? Yeah, there's no name power there, but I think a more interesting story could be told and told more effectively with Booster Gold, Green Arrow and the like than Superman and Batman.

Like Justice League International? There's also Justice League Dark.

[Sentry]

It's too late for DC to do something like this that anyone will care about. Even if they do get it off the ground, which I highly doubt will ever happen, it'll have a hard time getting out of Marvel's shadow.

Maybe in 2020 when the MCU starts to rap up or wind down...

[marrec]

I didn't even think about this movie getting a backlash. I wonder what ridiculous thing we can complain about and say why the general audience is stupid for still liking the movie despite of it.

Well Maggie Gyllenhaal wasn't in it so...

[SoulPlaya]

His attitude (and the attitude of people in this thread) seems to be of people who haven't read a DC comic in years. There is plenty of humanity in them. The problem is finding people (like Nolan) who can bring that humanity out.

[woodchuck]

Hopefully they don't do it. DC doesn't have to. They have one character (Batman) who is greater than Marvel's entire shitty roster.

truer words have never been posted

[DMczaf]

Like Justice League International? There's also Justice League Dark.

Justice League Wolfpac

Justice League Hollywood

[MechDX]

Justice League Wolfpac Justice League Hollywood

Dont Make Marvel and Whedon bust out Avengers: West Coast or Great Lakes Avengers!

[ZoddGutts]

I don't want to speak for someone else, but I think by "poorly" he meant "heavy-handed".

Bad action scenes too.

[marrec]

Justice League Wolfpac Justice League Hollywood

Justice League Detroit

[Banana Kid]

Justice League Detroit

Isn't that a thing that actually happened?

Man, Justice League is weird.

[Nesotenso]

truer words have never been posted

another insufferable Bat fan

[DMczaf]

Isn't that a thing that actually happened? Man, Justice League is weird.

It was pretty weird when X-Pac left The Avengers and joined Justice League.

[Sentry]

You are correct, but GAF is currently in the afterglow period. The backlash won't come until the sequel comes out.

Well it actually was 'that good'. The numbers show it, and so does my facebook feed blowing up about it. People loved it, and that's not mentioning that it was a great feat making the movie work to begin with.

Regardless of how the sequels go, what Marvel has been able to set up here will go down in the history books.

His attitude (and the attitude of people in this thread) seems to be of people who haven't read a DC comic in years. There is plenty of humanity in them. The problem is finding people (like Nolan) who can bring that humanity out.

That's probably for a reason.

[marrec]

Isn't that a thing that actually happened? Man, Justice League is weird.

Yup, and this guy was on that team:

[Seraphinianus]

Why do people hate the (Nolan) Batman movies for having themes beyond "lol this is cool because he's Batman"?

because he doesn't pull it off.


he needs to go back to non-batman movies permanently and badly, such a creative guy wasted on a comic book character

[Tookay]

Yeah, but after a while of hearing it, it just gets old. Batman is not the end all be all of superheroes.

No, but he is one of the most interesting on his own.

[ZoddGutts]

And I agree with him about D.C. superheroes. Overall, they're just dull as dirt. Batman is an obvious exception.

Not the Flash, Wally of course, not that other dull ass Barry as Flash.

[Hot Coldman]

Yup, and this guy was on that team:

I don't think that costume would fly in Detroit anywhere

DETROIT JUSTICE LEAGUE: Robocop, Axel Foley, The Crow

[SoulPlaya]

Well it actually was 'that good'. The numbers show it, and so does my facebook feed blowing up about it. People loved it, and that's not mentioning that it was a great feat making the movie work to begin with. Regardless of how the sequels go, what Marvel has been able to set up here will go down in the history books. That's probably for a reason.

Marvel has that problem too (comic sales, I mean). DC has shown plenty of growth in its characters.

[marrec]

Not the Flash, Wally of course, not that other dull ass Barry as Flash.

Dude, New 52 Barry is the shit stop hatin.