[RagnarokX]

It has nothing to do with relatability. It's having someone who understands the IP in charge. Marvel Studios is running like a top because the guy in charge understands the medium and the characters. Until WB gets a unified strategy, it will be Batman, Superman, and a sea of wasted potential.

They have to reboot even Batman and Superman and build the movies around the idea of an eventual team up like Marvel did. Superman especially is impossible to make work for a teamup as is. Too up its own ass about portraying it "realistically" and afraid to bring in extraterrestrial threats even though Superman himself is an extraterrestrial. Nolan's Batman is godawful as an individual. I mean, I enjoyed the movies, but this Batman really has no personality and never shows off the super intelligence Batman is known for. What would he bring to the table in a JLA movie? Even if he did show off his super intelligence, it would be really hard for him to delegate plans quickly to the other superheroes in that awful Batman voice.

Easy way to fix Green Lantern franchise -> Jon Stewart = Will Smith = easy money.

So you fix a fire by throwing gasoline on it?

[Boombloxer]

No , not at all dude. None of Marvel heroes are grounded in reality. I've never seen DC portray any of these characters as gods (except the god characters) Superman has allways been more Clark Kent than Superman . I mean for god sakes just look at the Reeve's superman . Its extremely obvious that the story is about clark kent and superman is just someone he becomes to save the day and then he is back to his normal self.

Superman has moved planets with his normal power set.

Spider-man can lift a bus or so.

Barring Captain Universe powers, he cannot ascend into Earth's atmosphere and simply detect crime via eyesight or super-hearing. He swings around and looks for trouble.

Normal guy, vs god-like being. It's pretty clear.

You can be all that and still have flaws. It's just a different approach to heroism. And I prefer that Lee/Kirby humanism of the characters.

This is the main difference.

It has nothing to do with relatability. It's having someone who understands the IP in charge. Marvel Studios is running like a top because the guy in charge understands the medium and the characters. Until WB gets a unified strategy, it will be Batman, Superman, and a sea of wasted potential.

That's another factor, but WB has asked many famous creators/directors for their input to varying results:

Bryan Singer did Superman Returns
Kevin Smith wrote a Superman script
Joss Whedon wrote a Wonder Woman script
Geoff Johns had a lot of creative input for Green Lantern

(Nolan is overseeing the Superman reboot, so I have more faith in that).

It's not just one thing that makes it work. It's a lot.

[eastmen]

I havent really been paying attention to the big two in comics. I thought Johns was considered hot shit after Blackest Night.

Johns can be considered whatever he wants , doesn't make him a talent writer and doesn't stop the fact that he is destroying the DCU.

He is a one trick poney and that one trick is to just take old characters put them in over their replacements.

[SoulPlaya]

This is the wrong picture. To prove his point: Superman/Batman would probably work better as a standalone film. The best JLA run (Morrison) had them dealing with crazy shit that was really on their level. But the mortality of someone like Superman/Wonder Woman is harder to relate to than many of Marvel's big guns--Thor has family issues, Iron Man (alcoholic, destructive), etc. That's the challenge, remember, they're working against a widespread, decades long foundation for a general audience. DC's big seven are very different from the Avengers. Of course, now I want to see an Authority series.

No offense, but I would argue that most people watching this movie have no idea about any of this shit. They just want a great summer action movie, and it delivered on all fronts. I don't even think they even go that deep into Iron Man's issues (especially not in this one). The relatable thing is overblown. Just make a great action movie. Easier said than done, but still. I mean, they should at least try.

[crimsonspider89]

The DC reboot butchered a large portion of characters. Aquaman and WW are the only things people considered redeemable and Batman but it was left largely alone.

The sales have dropped off after three months. Why DC canceled books and is doing the second wave. Which most people are already complaining about the second wave.

In other words, did a gimmick, novelty wore off, repeated the gimmick but people saw it coming.

But the real reason behind the reboot was to save WW and SM who both were failing to get sales. And all you had to do was make WW easier to relate to( give her a normal job with issues) and same for SM(have pressure fall on him as Clark Kent and actually have villains kick his ass aka Spider Man him up).

[eastmen]

Superman has moved planets with his normal power set. Spider-man can lift a bus or so. Barring Captain Universe powers, he cannot ascend into Earth's atmosphere and simply detect crime via eyesight or super-hearing. He swings around and looks for trouble. Normal guy, vs god-like being. It's pretty clear.

Thor can do most of those things also.


THOR is an actual god. Didn't stop people from seeing the movie.


You can cherry pick anything .


Batman normal guy can mabye throw 100lbs

Spiderman can lift a bus or so.


Which is more relateable.


I'm sure there are countless people out there can releate to having to hid who you are from everyone and being passed up for the popular kids. Boom there is Clark Kent/ Superman right there.


I'm sure there are plenty of people who can relate to loosing a love one in a volient way and wanting to do good in their memory ... Boom Batman is relatable. At least as relatable as the average joe can related to Tony stark who has billions of dollars and is a super genuis and has a drinking problem. Or peter parker who has a Super Model Wife. OR how about Thor who... well I mean damn who can't relate to being the God of Thunder and banging Portman

[HK-47]

What you're telling me is that you want a Sentinel movie.

A Day in the Life of CotA-94

[crimsonspider89]

The issue is Marvel heroes are displayed with much more flaws than DC. Thor is shown constantly going against threats greater than himself, having to face Loki, defend a world he is an outsider in, and he believes that humans have great potential.

Tony is shown to be a maniac depressant, alcoholic, womanizer with sever issues but hides it behind grandeur and money and women.

Cap is a man from a forgotten time in modern day society who faces enormous odds and speaks of the human spirit.

So forth. The FLAWS are displayed more openly at Marvel.

[Boombloxer]

No offense, but I would argue that most people watching this movie have no idea about any of this shit. They just want a great summer action movie, and it delivered on all fronts. I don't even think they even go that deep into Iron Man's issues (especially not in this one). The relatable thing is overblown. Just make a great action movie. Easier said than done, but still. I mean, they should at least try.

It's there, it's a part of making the character likeable. They just don't beat you over the head with it--you see his dad drinking, him pissing himself in his Iron Man suit, etc.

THOR is an actual god. Didn't stop people from seeing the movie.

That's my point, his relatable problem is sibling rivalry.
"I do not want to kill brother but holy shit he pissed me off!"

Spider-man can throw a bus, but is also broke, fired, etc.
All of the characters have a very basic problem.

Or peter parker who has a Super Model Wife.

Who he basically won because his original gf died because he tried to save her. And knew previously.
One of his wins.

(That bullshit with Gwen Stacy having Osborn's twins never happened in my mind)

The DC reboot butchered a large portion of characters. Aquaman and WW are the only things people considered redeemable and Batman but it was left largely alone. The sales have dropped off after three months. Why DC canceled books and is doing the second wave. Which most people are already complaining about the second wave. In other words, did a gimmick, novelty wore off, repeated the gimmick but people saw it coming.

I heard sales were bad, but that sounds terrible. So...reboot again?

Johns can be considered whatever he wants , doesn't make him a talent writer and doesn't stop the fact that he is destroying the DCU. He is a one trick poney and that one trick is to just take old characters put them in over their replacements.

I read the Blackest Night, and enjoyed it for the most part--I like the Sinestro Corps War more, but it was still good.
Then I read Flashpoint and well, it felt like I was reading What If.

Maybe someone can answer this, how much is Johns doing at DC nowadays?

[Dreams-Visions]

JLA basically has one relevant hero: Batman.

better than that. Batman with prep time.

The issue is Marvel heroes are displayed with much more flaws than DC. Thor is shown constantly going against threats greater than himself, having to face Loki, defend a world he is an outsider in, and he believes that humans have great potential. Tony is shown to be a maniac depressant, alcoholic, womanizer with sever issues but hides it behind grandeur and money and women. Cap is a man from a forgotten time in modern day society who faces enormous odds and speaks of the human spirit. So forth. The FLAWS are displayed more openly at Marvel.

you don't think Clark Kent--and the reasons that a "Clark Kent" exists--don't speak to the fundamental nature and weakness of men?

and Batman...it goes without saying.

Certainly, some characters flaws are more exposed than others, but Batman and Superman's weaknesses, humanity, and resolve are why they're the most popular and beloved superhero franchises on earth.

[Boombloxer]

better than that. Batman with prep time.

I laughed.

[eastmen]

That's my point, his relatable problem is sibling rivalry. "I do not want to kill brother but holy shit he pissed me off!" Spider-man can throw a bus, but is also broke, fired, etc. All of the characters have a very basic problem. Who he basically won because his original gf died because he tried to save her. And knew previously. One of his wins. (That bullshit with Gwen Stacy having Osborn's twins never happened in my mind) I heard sales were bad, but that sounds terrible. So...reboot again?

And you do understand that all of DCU has story lines just like Spider-Man

Kyle Rayner Green Lantern - GF is stuffed into an oven by a villian trying to get his power Ring.

Alan Scott Green Lantern - Fell in love with a villian , finds out years later that he has two children both who were abused in foster care - one of them consumed by his shadow power becomes a villian the other dies trying to save reality .


You don't actually have a leg to stand on. Its okay if you like Marvel Characters better than DC . You can say that but it doesn't mean that DC characters can't be relatble

[SoulPlaya]

It's there, it's a part of making the character likeable. They just don't beat you over the head with it--you see his dad drinking, him pissing himself in his Iron Man suit, etc.

No offense, but I don't remember any of that, and I doubt many others do. People on here tend to overanalyze these things. Just make a good summer blockbuster with great action, and cool dialogue. DC has a plethora of interesting villains who could be a draw themselves. Just pick a few, team them up, and have them go against the JL. Superman has plenty of villains that could kick his ass around, bring in Lois Lane (his one true link to this world, blah blah blah), big explosions, great fighting, cool dialogue and boom, great summer movie. Easier said than done, but it can be done.

EDIT: And people, read All Star Superman. It's a quick and fun graphic novel. I used to hate Supes before it.

[crimsonspider89]

Yeah, most of us predicted it. I am boycotting DC right now due to what they did to Power Girl who was selling EXTREMELY well and what they did to BOTH of the recent Batgirls who were both wonderful.

The sales were high but started to plummet recently with Batman, and a couple others holding the sales.

Johns is writing Aquaman I believe and doing a good job at that. But the reboot just confused readers more so with the ALREADY convoluted history.

EDIT: Yes, you are correct about the Green Lanterns and the Flash as well. But for the most part, majority of the DC heroes are not that easy to relate to. Do more issues of them getting there ass kicked, facing real world issues and display there faults. Which DC does not do so.

[eastmen]

I heard sales were bad, but that sounds terrible. So...reboot again? I read the Blackest Night, and enjoyed it for the most part--I like the Sinestro Corps War more, but it was still good. Then I read Flashpoint and well, it felt like I was reading What If. Maybe someone can answer this, how much is Johns doing at DC nowadays?

Johns got big bringing back JSA characters in the JSA book , he then got his mits on GL and brought back hal , then barry and so on and so forth. Last time i read a DC comic Johns basicly over saw everything .


I don't mind them bringing back the older characters but as someone who really hit his teens in the 90s they really squeezed me out of their universe . There is not a single 90s hero with their own coimc any more.

[ReiGun]

Maybe someone can answer this, how much is Johns doing at DC nowadays?

He's currently DC's Chief Creative Officer, and is writing the main Green Lantern book and Aquaman.

[BruceLeeRoy]

Who can the JLA even fight that would be a threat?

[GraveRobberX]

Superman alone breaks JL movie

If you can't do 1 Superman movie right still, how the fuck are you going to portray him in an ensemble cast, he'll overshadow everyone

People forget most comic books are multiple comic books, arcs, and takes a few hours to read, you can't do JL movie justice with a 2.5 hour movie, you would need 1 movie stretched out into 3 parts

Marvel Avenger's took 5 other movies, to get the Origins out of the way, and get the audience caught up, so they don't go WHO DA FAK is that?

Most know how Batman and Superman came to be
Do you really see people flocking to GL again (if rebooted or non-cannoned out), the turd that was GL, it was so cliche 1980's style DC character
Wonder Woman?
Martian Manhunter?
Hawkman/Girl?

Who would you use as the Villain, that affects all the characters someway
If you do Darkseid, it will have to be dark, and not juvenile in nature
If you do Doomsday, you already know who is dying/resurrecting to save the day
Lex Luthor + Braniac combo, could work, but the baddie will always be considered Supes nemesis
The 3 I listed all have Supes Villains, cause any other main cast Villain can get smoke by Supes instantly

Who would be the link that starts the JL, at least Avengers got Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. to inter link

[ReiGun]

Who can the JLA even fight that would be a threat?

Darkseid. Bonus points if he sits on someone's couch.

[Oozer3993]

How To Beat The Avengers with a Justice League Movie:

Man of Steel (2013): After credits scene shows Zod was freed from the Phantom Zone by Darkseid.

Green Lantern Reboot (2014): Go with Kyle Rayner as the Green Lantern. A struggling artist, he was just starting to achieve some level of fame for his portrayals of the new superheroes Superman and Batman when he is bequeathed the power ring. The villain could be a nerfed version of Oblivion. After the first public appearance of the Green Lantern on Earth, a TV report about the incident mentions, "it is unknown whether the hero is a human, or an alien like Superman." Mid credits scene shows Kyle meeting with Superman about teaming up should a larger threat ever appear. After credits scene shows Darkseid being behind the villain.

Batman Reboot (2016): Set slightly earlier than either of the previous two. Have the villain be more supernatural so this Batman feels like he could exist in a universe that could birth the Justice League. Maybe make it Mr. Freeze. An after credits scene shows us our first look at the new Batcave as Bruce watches a TV report about the emergence of an alien in Metropolis whom the press are calling "Superman."

Justice League (2017/2018): Darkseid is the villain. Around the same time that Superman and the Green Lantern Kyle Rayner first appeared, Darkseid discovered that the Anti-life Equation was on Earth. But he also detected two super powered beings of alien origin and so he sent Zod to Earth and created Oblivion to wipe them out. They failed, but through them Darkseid learned how to defeat Superman and Kyle Rayner. Darkseid's appearance on Earth causes Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern to team up with the newly introduced Wonder Woman and the Flash to defeat him. They defeat Darkseid, but an after credits scene shows that his death has unleashed Doomsday.

4 Movies, around $2 Billion WW gross. Call me Warner/DC. My fee is reasonable.

[shadyspace]

Johns got big bringing back JSA characters in the JSA book , he then got his mits on GL and brought back hal , then barry and so on and so forth. Last time i read a DC comic Johns basicly over saw everything . I don't mind them bringing back the older characters but as someone who really hit his teens in the 90s they really squeezed me out of their universe . There is not a single 90s hero with their own coimc any more.

Wally was The Flash longer than Barry ever was. Fuck Johns.

[SoulPlaya]

Superman alone breaks JL movie If you can't do 1 Superman movie right still, how the fuck are you going to portray him in an ensemble cast, he'll overshadow everyone People forget most comic books are multiple comic books, arcs, and takes a few hours to read, you can't do JL movie justice with a 2.5 hour movie, you would need 1 movie stretched out into 3 parts Marvel Avenger's took 5 other movies, to get the Origins out of the way, and get the audience caught up, so they don't go WHO DA FAK is that? Most know how Batman and Superman came to be Do you really see people flocking to GL again (if rebooted or non-cannoned out), the turd that was GL, it was so cliche 1980's style DC character Wonder Woman? Martian Manhunter? Hawkman/Girl? Who would you use as the Villian, that affects all the characters someway Who would be the link that starts the JL, atl east Avengers got Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. to inter link

If they could reboot Hulk, you can reboot GL. Martian Manhunter can be the link, and replace Hawkman with Flash, and add in Aquaman, if necessary. There.

[crimsonspider89]

Martian Manhunter should be the link. Use a different GL character and have him be involved in the threat. Have him come to warn Earth and have Martian Manhunter have contact with the GLC.

And the villain..... there are tons TBH but Darkseid seems like a must for the first movie. Then can move onto Sinestro, Anti-Mater, and eventually a Superman Prime story to finish the trilogy off.

[eastmen]

How To Beat The Avengers with a Justice League Movie: Man of Steel (2013): After credits scene shows Zod was freed from the Phantom Zone by Darkseid. Green Lantern Reboot (2014): Go with Kyle Rayner as the Green Lantern. A struggling artist, he was just starting to achieve some level of fame for his portrayals of the new superheroes Superman and Batman when he is bequeathed the power ring. The villain could be a nerfed version of Oblivion. After the first public appearance of the Green Lantern on Earth, a TV report about the incident mentions, "it is unknown whether the hero is a human, or an alien like Superman." Mid credits scene shows Kyle meeting with Superman about teaming up should a larger threat ever appear. After credits scene shows Darkseid being behind the villain.

Oblivion is way to much for a single movie. ITs best to stick to Major force trying to get the ring. Keep alex in the movie and have her meet the same fate.

Batman Reboot (2016): Set slightly earlier than either of the previous two. Have the villain be more supernatural so this Batman feels like he could exist in a universe that could birth the Justice League. Maybe make it Mr. Freeze. An after credits scene shows us our first look at the new Batcave as Bruce watches a TV report about the emergence of an alien in Metropolis whom the press are calling "Superman."

Bruce and Clark are about the same time . Remember Clark travels the world for a few years before becoming superman.

Justice League (2017/2018): Darkseid is the villain. Around the same time that Superman and the Green Lantern Kyle Rayner first appeared, Darkseid discovered that the Anti-life Equation was on Earth. But he also detected two super powered beings of alien origin and so he sent Zod to Earth and created Oblivion to wipe them out. They failed, but through them Darkseid learned how to defeat Superman and Kyle Rayner. Darkseid's appearance on Earth causes Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern to team up with the newly introduced Wonder Woman and the Flash to defeat him. They defeat Darkseid, but an after credits scene shows that his death has unleashed Doomsday. 4 Movies, around $2 Billion WW gross. Call me Warner/DC. My fee is reasonable.

I think you'd still want to do a flash movie and a wonder woman movie. They both need it , just set realistic budgets. Give flash 75m and wonder woman 75m. They'd both make the money back.

Personaly , I'd skip Darksied . I'm make the Villian behind everything Hal Jordan.

I'd start green lantern off with Hal's fall from grace and when he becomes paralax have a wave of his energy travel out destroying Zod's prision.

The justice league would group together to defeat him. I think it be a great story line.

[RagnarokX]

Darkseid. Bonus points if he sits on someone's couch.

I read an article today on how the after credits scene in The Avengers pretty much screwed WB out of being able to use Darkseid for a potential JLA movie because Thanos is Marvel's Darkseid ripoff, and thus audiences would see Darkseid as a Thanos ripoff since Marvel beat them to the box office.

[GraveRobberX]

If they could reboot Hulk, you can reboot GL. Martian Manhunter can be the link, and replace Hawkman with Flash, and add in Aquaman, if necessary. There.

HULK is an anomaly, you can reboot him after every movie

Hell we have had 3 different actors play the same Bruce Banner role so far, I highly doubt you can get away with it for GL

If you want Manhunter as the Link, lining up all the heroes and get them ready for the fight of their lives, I understand that
Aquaman is LOL though, I'm sorry no way would audiences flock to that shit, not after Entourage did with that film
Flash again would be a nice fit
The reason Avengers crew fit so well, is you have main 3 Cap, Iron, Thor, JL has Supes/Bats/WW
As you can the top 3 Avenger guys don't even shine the most, it's fucking Hulk who shines, and each of the side characters get enough time that play vital parts
If you do JL, Supes will get top billing, Bats would need 4 movies just to be in preparation mode for a JL movie, and WW would need to be empowered beyond the boobies and short skirt skirt stereotype

I read an article today on how the after credits scene in The Avengers pretty much screwed WB out of being able to use Darkseid for a potential JLA movie because Thanos is Marvel's Darkseid ripoff, and thus audiences would see Darkseid as a Thanos ripoff since Marvel beat them to the box office.

This too, I said the same thing in the Avengers OT

[Zekes!]

Fuck the JLA, all I want is a Plastic Man movie

[DMczaf]

Fuck the JLA, all I want is a Plastic Man movie

Expendables 2 is coming out this year.

[crimsonspider89]

Not if you give him a damn good solo and hype it up, as there answer for Thor. Both strange kingdoms with brothers facing each other. Also make Aquaman on par with Superman in strength and durability. As well as having hydrokinesis. Just make Batman the human element in the movie.

[SoulPlaya]

I read an article today on how the after credits scene in The Avengers pretty much screwed WB out of being able to use Darkseid for a potential JLA movie because Thanos is Marvel's Darkseid ripoff, and thus audiences would see Darkseid as a Thanos ripoff since Marvel beat them to the box office.

Ahhh, I don't think anyone will care. OK, fine, save Darkseid for a sequel (I don't think he should be in the first movie, either, he's too important). There are plenty of others. Make it Braniac coordinating a group of other villains. You know what? For the first movie, make it Doomsday. He's a big enough threat for all of JL. Darkseid in the first movie would mean an alien invasion, so too much of a ripoff.

[SoulPlaya]

If you want Manhunter as the Link, lining up all the heroes and get them ready for the fight of their lives, I understand that Aquaman is LOL though, I'm sorry no way would audiences flock to that shit, not after Entourage did with that film Flash again would be a nice fit The reason Avengers crew fit so well, is you have main 3 Cap, Iron, Thor, JL has Supes/Bats/WW As you can the top 3 Avenger guys don't even shine the most, it's fucking Hulk who shines, and each of the side characters get enough time that play vital parts If you do JL, Supes will get top billing, Bats would need 4 movies just to be in preparation mode for a JL movie, and WW would need to be empowered beyond the boobies and short skirt skirt stereotype

Yeah, forget Aquaman. I still say that people are over thinking this. 2.5 hours is plenty of time for them, if their respective origins have been done in earlier movies. People don't care about main billing (no one knows or cares about Black Widow or Hawkeye). Supes would not overshadow them with the right villain, either. The others can bring him down to size. Just have one early scene where Bats pulls out some kryptonite. There, he's humbled. Have it be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F90nxOlsm1s

[Boombloxer]

And you do understand that all of DCU has story lines just like Spider-Man Kyle Rayner Green Lantern - GF is stuffed into an oven by a villian trying to get his power Ring. Alan Scott Green Lantern - Fell in love with a villian , finds out years later that he has two children both who were abused in foster care - one of them consumed by his shadow power becomes a villian the other dies trying to save reality . You don't actually have a leg to stand on. Its okay if you like Marvel Characters better than DC . You can say that but it doesn't mean that DC characters can't be relatble

I actually said they have a harder time of it than Marvel characters do. And in films, period, this has been proven as true, as in, the films don't have success outside of one character. As in, no universe being built. These things compound.

It's ok if you don't get the difference, but it's there. Personally, my two favorite characters are actually Green Lantern and Silver Surfer, who have been mishandled in the films, to put it lightly.

No offense, but I don't remember any of that, and I doubt many others do. People on here tend to overanalyze these things. Just make a good summer blockbuster with great action, and cool dialogue. DC has a plethora of interesting villains who could be a draw themselves. Just pick a few, team them up, and have them go against the JL. Superman has plenty of villains that could kick his ass around, bring in Lois Lane (his one true link to this world, blah blah blah), big explosions, great fighting, cool dialogue and boom, great summer movie. Easier said than done, but it can be done.

It's not really overanalysis. Show the hero's flaws, the end, it's part of what makes a movie work. The better and easier the flaws, the easier it is to sympathize with the character. That makes the great action, etc really sing.

For the summer movie with great action and cool dialogue, those are a dime a dozen. But when you're talking about comics to film, you want multiple movies, so you have to take more time to build the characters.

And I'm all for a great Superman film, if he can fight something other than a plane or giant island, like say, Braniac or Darkseid, fantastic. And again, they have their work cut out for them.

If they could reboot Hulk, you can reboot GL. Martian Manhunter can be the link, and replace Hawkman with Flash, and add in Aquaman, if necessary. There.

Yes, but they have to make other movies before GL is ever brought up again. The movie was bad and did badly. Hulk got mixed reviews, but still made some money.

4 Movies, around $2 Billion WW gross. Call me Warner/DC. My fee is reasonable.

If only it were that simple.

[GraveRobberX]

Doomsday could work to a point, but you know they will have to kill & resurrect Supes to show emphasis on why Doomsday is Doomsday

[crimsonspider89]

I guarantee after the movie, Hawkeye and BW will be known and talked about. I mean, BW had some of the best action scenes in the movie IMO.

[SoulPlaya]

Doomsday could work to a point, but you know they will have to kill & resurrect Supes to show emphasis on why Doomsday is Doomsday

Nah, just have him beat up Superman early on, emphasizing the need for all of them to team up.

[SoulPlaya]

I actually said they have a harder time of it than Marvel characters do. And in films, period, this has been proven as true, as in, the films don't have success outside of one character. As in, no universe being built. These things compound. It's ok if you don't get the difference, but it's there. Personally, my two favorite characters are actually Green Lantern and Silver Surfer, who have been mishandled in the films, to put it lightly. It's not really overanalysis. Show the hero's flaws, the end, it's part of what makes a movie work. The better and easier the flaws, the easier it is to sympathize with the character. That makes the great action, etc really sing. For the summer movie with great action and cool dialogue, those are a dime a dozen. But when you're talking about comics to film, you want multiple movies, so you have to take more time to build the characters. And I'm all for a great Superman film, if he can fight something other than a plane or giant island, like say, Braniac or Darkseid, fantastic. And again, they have their work cut out for them. Yes, but they have to make other movies before GL is ever brought up again. The movie was bad and did badly. Hulk got mixed reviews, but still made some money.

Really? I only saw Iron Man 1 & 2, and I thought this was a great movie. Though, I always said that they do need a few movies where these characters get built up, and built up well. So, I agree.

Yeah, they'll have to make Flash and WW before they can make GL again, I agree on that. These two have to be good, though. BTW,

[DonasaurusRex]

They have to reboot even Batman and Superman and build the movies around the idea of an eventual team up like Marvel did. Superman especially is impossible to make work for a teamup as is. Too up its own ass about portraying it "realistically" and afraid to bring in extraterrestrial threats even though Superman himself is an extraterrestrial. Nolan's Batman is godawful as an individual. I mean, I enjoyed the movies, but this Batman really has no personality and never shows off the super intelligence Batman is known for. What would he bring to the table in a JLA movie? Even if he did show off his super intelligence, it would be really hard for him to delegate plans quickly to the other superheroes in that awful Batman voice. So you fix a fire by throwing gasoline on it?

...theres nothing god awful about the nolan batman movies geez internetz is nothing sacred? Batman may not be a super genius but he does use his detective skills in the films , that is where is genius comes from that and tactics.

[eastmen]

I actually said they have a harder time of it than Marvel characters do. And in films, period, this has been proven as true, as in, the films don't have success outside of one character. As in, no universe being built. These things compound. It's ok if you don't get the difference, but it's there. Personally, my two favorite characters are actually Green Lantern and Silver Surfer, who have been mishandled in the films, to put it lightly.

I'm not sure where your going with this . DC has launched 3 super heroes . Superman , Batman , Green Lantern.


DC was able to get 3 Superman movies to succeed at the box office and 4 batman movies currently.

Its very easy to make DC's super heroes relatable. They just need good scripts.

Superman Returns failed because Lex Luthor is not a good match to Superman on screen. If they had gone with Braniac or the like it would have succeeded.

Green Lantern Failed partialy because of Jordan and partialy because of Johns. They took the wrong angle on the characters.

I've already pointed out to you the long list of marvel failures.

Marvel has had 3 hulks in less than a decade and we still don't know if the hulk can support his own movie.

If the hulk can get 3 chances , punisher gets 2 then surely GL deserves a second chance.

[GraveRobberX]

Nah, just have him beat up Superman early on, emphasizing the need for all of them to team up.

No way DC will make Supes take a beat-down and ask for help

If you set up movies the way Avengers are set-up, the earliest you will see JL or JLA is 2018 or 2020

You have to get everything streamlined

Batman, Supes, WW have to live with-in the same universe, they way the WB/DC movies are produced they always feel One-Shots, you never get the feeling of sequels that continue it
Burton tried, Nolan succeeded, nothing else feels like a continuity

[Boombloxer]

He's currently DC's Chief Creative Officer, and is writing the main Green Lantern book and Aquaman.

Ok, so nothing's changed. Then GL probably only hurt a little bit.

Make it Braniac coordinating a group of other villains. You know what? For the first movie, make it Doomsday. He's a big enough threat for all of JL. Darkseid in the first movie would mean an alien invasion, so too much of a ripoff.

Most of the JL's biggest/best threats are aliens.

Brainiac
Darkseid
White Martians
Starro
Mongul
Despero


The only ones who aren't are like Vandal Savage, Prometheus, Dr. Destiny, Eclipso, Gog, Amazo. Ra's can also count, but he was already in Batman.

Honestly, you can't worry too much about that. In particular, White Martians would improve on the main weakness of the Avengers--threatening invaders.

DC was able to get 2 Superman movies to succeed at the box office and 4 batman movies currently.

When a movie works, you usually don't reboot it until you are done with the trilogy. Superman failed and they are rebooting it again.

Marvel has had 3 hulks in less than a decade and we still don't know if the hulk can support his own movie. If the hulk can get 3 chances , punisher gets 2 then surely GL deserves a second chance.

I'm not debating if GL gets a second chance, I'm saying that it isn't getting that second chance until they have at least two movies with other A-list characters that prove themselves.
You need to have some respect for the audience that they have some faith in the brand. Right now? Batman. That's it.

And Marvel has launched their entire universe to great buzz and more money in a shorter timeframe, while not even having their biggest characters to do so.

Iron Man 1 & 2
Cap
Thor
TIH
Avengers

DC has none of their legal issues, and is basically still on Batman.

[RagnarokX]

Ahhh, I don't think anyone will care. OK, fine, save Darkseid for a sequel (I don't think he should be in the first movie, either, he's too important). There are plenty of others. Make it Braniac coordinating a group of other villains. You know what? For the first movie, make it Doomsday. He's a big enough threat for all of JL. Darkseid in the first movie would mean an alien invasion, so too much of a ripoff.

They could borrow from the DCAU.

Establish Braniac in a Superman movie. Involve Luthor.

JLA movie 1: Doomsday arrives and goes after Superman. Superman gets his ass handed to him. Super heroes team up to save the day. At the end it is revealed that Doomsday was actually created by Cadmus out of fear of Superman going rogue. Cadmus is now worried about the JLA.

JLA movie 2: JLA is busy with plots involving Cadmus and Luthor. In the end Luthor is revealed to have been being manipulated by Braniac. The two team up to become Braithor.

[thetrin]

I don't see why that's a problem. That's exactly why I love DC. It's like reading stories about a pantheistic mythology. I love it.

I read an article today on how the after credits scene in The Avengers pretty much screwed WB out of being able to use Darkseid for a potential JLA movie because Thanos is Marvel's Darkseid ripoff, and thus audiences would see Darkseid as a Thanos ripoff since Marvel beat them to the box office.

I love Thanos, but Darkseid is on another level. Final Crisis cemented him as the greatest villain ever.

[crimsonspider89]

The issue is the Nolan Batman movies do not set up a Batman who can work with the other heroes and he really brings no great talent to the team.

Why the reboot needs to be a bit more comic book like.

Can be dark but needs more comic book elements. Just introduce genetic experiments, aliens arriving and this pushing the military to receive a bigger budget which then supports say an industry run by Raas and Talia that does gene splicing which explains how Raas doesn't age.

There believable Batman that fits in a comic book universe.

[GraveRobberX]

I don't see why that's a problem. That's exactly why I love DC. It's like reading stories about a pantheistic mythology. I love it. I love Thanos, but Darkseid is on another level. Final Crisis cemented him as the greatest villain ever.

Yes but do you really think the public at large knows this, how evil this mothefucker can be
If you do JL you would need to invest 15-25 minute Origin story just on him to get people really to hate on him

Most would go who the fuck is Black Widow or Hawkeye got some inklings through the other movies, Iron Man 2/Thor, so you had a little wink wink ready built in

Also spoiler the name, just in case some people go ZOMG! Spoiler!

[eastmen]

Doomsday could work to a point, but you know they will have to kill & resurrect Supes to show emphasis on why Doomsday is Doomsday

If you bring Doomsday in its simple.


Superman - man of steel 2 - Doomsday goes through the justice league and superman stops him at the cost of his life .

JLA movie - Shows you who the JLA came together

Then branch out to the other character movies before coming back together in JLA 2 to bring back superman and then have another superman movie.

[GraveRobberX]

The thing is would WB risk it, is it in their best interest to follow in Marvel's Shadow now and try to outshine them

DC does have the legacy, I give them that, but they've been beaten to the punch

They would need to have all the movies need to make bank/be in peoples mind through out the whole process, to even get it streamlined into a JL team scenario

1-2 movies under-performing can fuck up the whole plan

Risk is the big Villain for WB/DC

We didn't get/need a Hawkeye or Black Widow Solo movie, but after Avengers, you can do it, cause it helped out the characters
Shit from the way Avengers is making Moolah with-in it;s first OW, Marvel go can Balls to the Walls for Avengers 2, and introduce side characters, who don't even need to participate in the movie but can get pushed off into their movies, say a Black Panther
Also have other superheroes join in from their solo movie and join the Avengers

[HK-47]

I don't see why that's a problem. That's exactly why I love DC. It's like reading stories about a pantheistic mythology. I love it.

I think thats when DC is at its best. While Marvel wants this quasi real life mirror thingy that doesnt really work, especially if you think about it.

But I try to avoid main continuity most of the time anyways.

[RagnarokX]

I don't see why that's a problem. That's exactly why I love DC. It's like reading stories about a pantheistic mythology. I love it. I love Thanos, but Darkseid is on another level. Final Crisis cemented him as the greatest villain ever.

I didn't even know who Thanos was, but he's literally a Darkseid ripoff. Marvel knows this and that's precisely the reason they used him. Because Thanos made it to the screen first, the general public will think Darkseid the ripoff.

[Boombloxer]

I don't see why that's a problem. That's exactly why I love DC. It's like reading stories about a pantheistic mythology. I love it. I love Thanos, but Darkseid is on another level. Final Crisis cemented him as the greatest villain ever.

They're about on the same level to me. Both have ruled the universe at one point and lost it.

All-time faves are Ra's and Doom.

[GraveRobberX]

I didn't even know who Thanos was, but he's literally a Darkseid ripoff. Marvel knows this and that's precisely the reason they used him. Because Thanos made it to the screen first, the general public will think Darkseid the ripoff.

Snooze You Lose!

I always loved Apocalypse (X-Men), no clue why, his though process always made me feel inferior at my thinking process LOL