[Clevinger]

I'm guessing because they have gay friends but they still have an opinion, thats why. Rocket science, I know. Or... were you looking for an internet high five or something?

Do your rich uncles who don't know anything about marginal tax rates have gay friends too?

[luxarific]

The more I read about OSC and the more I read his anti-gay articles, he just strikes me as a deeply, deeply repressed gay guy.

[mattiewheels]

Yeah, I wonder what his time spent with his gay friends is like. Full of eye-rolling debate, I bet. Sounds like fun if so.

'I love ya, Fred, but sooner or later you're gonna have to admit your just plain old reproductively dysfunctional!'

[Gunloc]

This guy is a complete jerk. So vile.

Also, Ender's Game is the worst book I've ever read. I would of stopped reading right away, but I had to finish it for a class. Though if I'd known the author's penchant for hate mongering, I would of flat out refused to read it. I'm not supporting anything that this guy has any part of.

[Ratrat]

Any time someone has this opinion but claims to have a gay "friend", I don't believe them. How could they be friends with someone who has no respect for their lifestyle? Gay acquaintance, maybe, but not friend. It would be like being a white supremist but claiming to have black friends.

I think most gay people have homophobic friends or family at least at some point. Just not activists...

[lexi]

His line of reasoning is used heavily in Australia to argue against gay marriage. A lot of good changes came about in the Rudd government to remove the discrimination present in many laws. They were really quite sweeping charges, but of course Rudd and the ALP as it currently is seems so fucking afraid to actually stand up for what they believe in. They seem ashamed of it.

I personally think it fundamentally comes down to equal treatment under law. Just make it equal so we don't have all this 'separate but equal' pantomime bullshit.

[Earthstrike]

I'm guessing because they have gay friends but they still have an opinion, thats why. Rocket science, I know. Or... were you looking for an internet high five or something?

Are marginal tax rates rocket science?

[Volimar]

I enjoyed a couple of his titles (not Ender's Game, blegh) but that was before I knew what kind of asshat he was...

[Canuck76]

This guy is a complete jerk. So vile. Also, Ender's Game is the worst book I've ever read. I would of stopped reading right away, but I had to finish it for a class. Though if I'd known the author's penchant for hate mongering, I would of flat out refused to read it. I'm not supporting anything that this guy has any part of.

I'm curious would you read Mein Kampf?

[KO Traveling Hobo]

At first I thought you were blowing things utterly out of proportion -- the dude isn't homophobic, he just doesn't have a proper understanding of the issue. Then I got to the line about "giving the left the power to force anti-religious values on our children" and everything just went straight to shit. By the end of the article I was actively facepalming.

I think the line that really deserves underlining is this:

Normalizing a dysfunction will only make ours into a society that corrodes any loyalty to it, as parents see that our laws and institutions now work against the reproductive success (not to mention happiness) of the next generation.

Just...goddamn.

[Fantastical]

It's a well known fact that tolerance and reason are both just forms of left wing propaganda.

[BladeoftheImmortal]

It's weird how he feels about things considering his books are all about accepting other that are different and don't be so rushed to destroy others.

[HK-47]

Its a shame, since you're honestly missing out (and not just EG: a lot of his sci-fi from the 80s is some of my favorite work). The dude has a great talent for writing characters and character interactions...he's just a douche. Sucks.

This is a bit more than just douchebaggery. Its repulsive.

[civilstrife]

lol, why is it that every gay-bashing closeted nut claims to have "Gay friends"?

I'd like to meet Orson Scott Card's "Gay Friends".
I'm sure they're totally happy not having the same basic rights as straight couples and are totally chill about their bud Orson's views.

[AdrianWerner]

Do schools really teach kids pro-gay propaganda in USA? Reading all those convervative rants it seems like there are whole lessons regularly tought about this subject in schools.

Anyway, as long as you don't try to force churches to do gay marriages (which would be completely retarded) I don't really get what's the problem. Civil marriage is like every other civil contract, why wouldn't it be allowed for homosexuals?

[sprsk]

WILL SOMEBODY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!

[Pollux]

lol, why is it that every gay-bashing closeted nut claims to have "Gay friends"? I'd like to meet Orson Scott Card's "Gay Friends". I'm sure they're totally happy not having the same basic rights as straight couples and are totally chill about their bud Orson's views.

I'm sure they feel the same as Ted Haggard's "gay friends"

[toxicgonzo]

lol at the outrage people have here.

The author hates gays?!? Ender's Game now has zero literary value!

Hypocritical really. Some of your favorite music artists are nothing more than two bit criminals who have actually committed terrible crimes against other people while Orson Scott Card is someone with an opinion. But that doesn't stop you from listening to their music. Your favorite rapper could be grand theft auto, but Orson Scott Card is a homophobe stop the presses everyone.

[Devolution]

lol at the outrage people have here. The author hates gays?!? Ender's Game now has zero literary value! Hypocritical really. Some of your favorite music artists are nothing more than two bit criminals who have actually committed terrible crimes against other people while Orson Scott Card is someone with an opinion. But that doesn't stop you from listening to their music. Your favorite rapper could be grand theft auto, but Orson Scott Card is a homophobe stop the presses everyone.

I don't think you actually read the thread.

[HK-47]

Do schools really teach kids pro-gay propaganda in USA? Reading all those convervative rants it seems like there are whole lessons regularly tought about this subject in schools. Anyway, as long as you don't try to force churches to do gay marriages (which would be completely retarded) I don't really get what's the problem. Civil marriage is like every other civil contract, why wouldn't it be allowed for homosexuals?

Tolerance and scientific consensus are part of the liberal agenda destroying our families and poisoning the thoughts of our children.

[HK-47]

lol at the outrage people have here. The author hates gays?!? Ender's Game now has zero literary value! Hypocritical really. Some of your favorite music artists are nothing more than two bit criminals who have actually committed terrible crimes against other people while Orson Scott Card is someone with an opinion. But that doesn't stop you from listening to their music. Your favorite rapper could be grand theft auto, but Orson Scott Card is a homophobe stop the presses everyone.

so how many logical fallacies are you gonna stuff into your next post?

[Zulithe]

WILL SOMEBODY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!

Have you read an OSC book? I'd say he is thinking about children... a little too much.

*cough*Songmaster*cough*

[AdrianWerner]

Also, Ender's Game is the worst book I've ever read.

Seriously? OSC might be a jerk, but claiming it's the worst book you've read just shows you don't read much

[Zeliard]

The sad part is this is actually a tamer version of Orson Scott Card on the topic of homosexuality. Check out what he had to say back in 1990 (yes, he's been gnashing his teeth about this for a long, long time):

http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html

He hasn't evolved much at all, but his views used to be even more reprehensible, if it can be believed. The best part about that essay is his attempt to deflect any attacks on his opinions by castigating those who would label him a homophobe and predicting he'd receive that sort of response. It's basically the equivalent of someone going off on a racist tirade and then saying "and now look at all these people who are calling me racist! Hah! I told you so."

Down towards the end, in one of the responses to the reactions to his original essay, he attempts to draw an analogy between someone like himself being called a homophobe and a gay person being called a faggot, saying it's an example of hypocrisy. Swell chap.

[FootballFan]

Who?

Orson Scott Card. Says right there in the thread title.

So what's the point of people posting this. Is it some joke I'm missing or what

I don't get these "Who?" posts either..Just google the name if you don't know, not that hard.

[Trent Strong]

This guy is a complete jerk. So vile. Also, Ender's Game is the worst book I've ever read. I would of stopped reading right away, but I had to finish it for a class. Though if I'd known the author's penchant for hate mongering, I would of flat out refused to read it. I'm not supporting anything that this guy has any part of.

You must not read much. Or maybe you're just really young.

[WoodenLung]

Only just read Enders Game recently, liked it a lot and have a hard time understanding how you can think it's the worst book ever written... Not that it's the most fantastic thing ever but damn, I have read a lot worse. The author sure is acting like a fucking idiot here though, but it's not exactly going to stop me from enjoying his work.

I don't get these "Who?" posts either..Just google the name if you don't know, not that hard.

But it's all about looking cool and edgy. Might as well just post a didn't read lol gif.

[Fantastical]

I don't get these "Who?" posts either..Just google the name if you don't know, not that hard.

I'm sorry, and who are you again?

[les papillons sexuels]

Why do homophobes always pull the "I've got gay friends card" its just like the whole "I've got black friends too" for racists.

because he does have gay friends, gay friends which he probably has sex with... Well, i dont know for sure, but his statements remind me of Ted Haggards who was also a homophobe who enjoyed the gay sex. And the way he phrases his statements makes it seem like he likes to phase in and out of different sexual orientations and has same sex desires from time to time.

[Persona7]

I have been waiting to post this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0_TP3t2v_A&hd=1

[malingenie]

You must not read much. Or maybe you're just really young.

Naw, I agree, that book has been incredibly overrated.

[Femmeworth]

Any child with any gender or sexual confusion will be pushed inexorably away from the decision to establish a traditional family. They'll be told, again and again, that any sign of effeminacy or gender confusion or same-sex attraction is an irrevocable, lifelong compulsion and they might as well shape their lives accordingly.

Fuck you, Mr. Card.

[Lafiel]

lol at the outrage people have here. The author hates gays?!? Ender's Game now has zero literary value! Hypocritical really. Some of your favorite music artists are nothing more than two bit criminals who have actually committed terrible crimes against other people while Orson Scott Card is someone with an opinion. But that doesn't stop you from listening to their music. Your favorite rapper could be grand theft auto, but Orson Scott Card is a homophobe stop the presses everyone.

To be fair I don't think Orson Scott Card is necessarily a good enough writer to get away from this!

[AdrianWerner]

To be fair I don't think Orson Scott Card is necessarily a good enough writer to get away from this!

Looking at how well he's doing he definitely is getting away with it :) Becase while most people might find his views to be laughable at the same time they don't care about gay rights enough to stop them from enjoying Ender's Game.

[FStop7]

Is there a secret contest between Harlan Ellison and Orson Scott Card to see who can be the bigger douchebag?

[les papillons sexuels]

lol at the outrage people have here. The author hates gays?!? Ender's Game now has zero literary value! Hypocritical really. Some of your favorite music artists are nothing more than two bit criminals who have actually committed terrible crimes against other people while Orson Scott Card is someone with an opinion. But that doesn't stop you from listening to their music. Your favorite rapper could be grand theft auto, but Orson Scott Card is a homophobe stop the presses everyone.

well, to be honest, enders game doesn't have any literary value. He mearly expanded on a popular and well repeated aespop fable, like the wolf and the crane, or the farmer and the viper. He's done nothing new, many have copied this strategy and succeed in the exact same ways.

[akira28]

I'm curious would you read Mein Kampf?

Well it's not like ole Adolf is still collecting residuals...

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Well it's not like ole Adolf is still collecting residuals...

That's what he wants you to think.

[HK-47]

That's what he wants you to think.

Sneaky bastard.

[AAequal]

well, to be honest, enders game doesn't have any literary value. He mearly expanded on a popular and well repeated aespop fable, like the wolf and the crane, or the farmer and the viper. He's done nothing new, many have copied this strategy and succeed in the exact same ways.

Doesn't pretty much all books do this? Most authors either expand on works of Shakespeare or Greek epics.

[Dresden]

Doesn't pretty much all books do this? Most authors either expand on works of Shakespeare or Greek epics.

Shakespeare didn't really come up with any original stories, either. And it doesn't matter.

[Orayn]

I haven't read the Ender series, but I'm inclined not to give this asshole any royalties.

[Canuck76]

Well it's not like ole Adolf is still collecting residuals...

True that's a good point. Still i have a hard time understanding where all the hate comes from. If the dude was literally hiring groups of hunters to round up homosexuals i could see it. But dude literally uses that money for ads, on an issue where your mind is probably made up one way or another.

Plus he's already rich like few others. I just don't see where someone makes up their mind to not buy shadow complex because of this

[Devolution]

True that's a good point. Still i have a hard time understanding where all the hate comes from. If the dude was literally hiring groups of hunters to round up homosexuals i could see it. But dude literally uses that money for ads, on an issue where your mind is probably made up one way or another. Plus he's already rich like few others. I just don't see where someone makes up their mind to not buy shadow complex because of this

Why do you think someone has to be violent in order to be reprehensible and disgusting as a person?

[Trent Strong]

Naw, I agree, that book has been incredibly overrated.

But would you really agree that it's the worst book you've ever read?

[HK-47]

True that's a good point. Still i have a hard time understanding where all the hate comes from. If the dude was literally hiring groups of hunters to round up homosexuals i could see it. But dude literally uses that money for ads, on an issue where your mind is probably made up one way or another. Plus he's already rich like few others. I just don't see where someone makes up their mind to not buy shadow complex because of this

Yeah, write a few good books and it completely nullifies your batshit insane prejudices. Why is everyone being a hater?

[AAequal]

Shakespeare didn't really come up with any original stories, either. And it doesn't matter.

Yeah, I was just saying that if we go by les papillons sexuels logic then very few book in this world has literature value.

Edit. Also Card is die hard Mormon, he denies evolution and global warming on top of his homophobia.

[zoukka]

I've always thought the whole debate is a bit weird. I mean the holy book clearly says homosexuality is a sin right? And the churches and people who worship there (catholics?) believe that it's true. So how the hell you force them to believe otherwise? And why would you want to get married in a place that denounces your very being?

But then again I haven't done much research so I'm sure I'll get informed.

[Canuck76]

Why do you think someone has to be violent in order to be reprehensible and disgusting as a person?

I don't. But i also don't make assumptions about a person's character or person if they disagree with me or not.

I think if anything a letter written to this guy would do much, much more than simply refusing to buy his game. Giving high-fives to each other on the internet certainly won't help either.

[Mumei]

I've always thought the whole debate is a bit weird. I mean the holy book clearly says homosexuality is a sin right? And the churches and people who worship there (catholics?) believe that it's true. So how the hell you force them to believe otherwise? And why would you want to get married in a place that denounces your very being? But then again I haven't done much research so I'm sure I'll get informed.

There are probably some gay Christians willing to present you with the arguments for why the Bible doesn't condemn them (I'm semi-aware of them but can't really present them... cogently), but I think it is important to realize that the right to marriage is the right to be married in the eyes of the state. The right of a church to refuse to marry someone under a particular religious ceremony, such as the Catholic sacrament of marriage, isn't what is under debate.