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Girlfriend has tried everything to lose weight but to no avail
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DragonKnight
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With that last reply i'm official abandoning this thread.
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Deleted member 17706
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I don't think I can have a conversation with you if you actually buy into that rubbish.
How so? All evidence seems to indicate that people who avoid grains and sugar are more healthy than those who don't.
Dark Knyght
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Sounds like the problem is you. She was fine until you stepped in with the "diet plan".
In all seriousness though, she's probably just hit a plateau. Losing weight and exercise is about consistently challenging yourself and giving more effort. Her body is probably used to what she's doing now, time to switch it up. Her body is probably converting fat to muscle which is why she isnt "losing" weight. Her body should be changing shape though, which is actually more important than actual weight. Also, she is pretty short, and everything she's eating damn sure aint going to her height. She could be eating much more than her relatively small body requires.
DragonKnight
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Calculated her BMR and factored in her activity level. She's eating enough. I don't think the problem is me. It's high fat, high protein, and low carb.
Placing saturated fats in the same category as trans fats is criminal.
DragonKnight
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Zoe
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It's something you really should consider. Calorie burning is relative to how your body handles the exertion. If you're trying to base things off the numbers, you should work off of an accurate measurement.
Devolution
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You expected results too soon is the real problem, which some have mentioned. And if she's trading muscle for fat you won't see a weight change right away that's for sure.
And a pound of gold weighs the same as a pound of feathers. You know that people are usually talking about density when they say that, right?
DragonKnight
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So by processed stuff you didn't mean processed stuff.
The trading muscle for fat thing makes no sense if she's on a calorie deficit diet. She will, unequivocally, lose mass if her intake of calories is less than she expends. It's impossible to gain mass on a deficit. It's possible to lose fat and gain muscle for unconditioned people incorporating exercise into a weight loss diet, but they will be losing more fat than muscle and body mass will be reduced. Again, it's impossible to not lose mass while in a calorie deficit.
However:
1) Fluctuations in water retention could be masking the loss of body mass.
2) She's not actually in a calorie deficit, in which case she could be gaining some muscle and losing fat, but her net weight would remain the same.
3) She's not losing weight because something is wrong hormonally, such as hypothyroidism.
However:
1) Fluctuations in water retention could be masking the loss of body mass.
2) She's not actually in a calorie deficit, in which case she could be gaining some muscle and losing fat, but her net weight would remain the same.
3) She's not losing weight because something is wrong hormonally, such as hypothyroidism.
Yeah I know, the difference in chemical structure, behaviour, and human physiological responses between trans and saturated fats are significant, but my post was already long and I didn't really want to go through it because too much saturated fat is still far from ideal, albeit trans fat is far worse.
triplestation
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JUNK FOOD AND SUGARY YUMMIES.
You won't accomplish much without cutting excess carbs, namely potatoes and bread (rice to a lesser extent). I still enjoy eating a bit of bread and potatoes, but I really, really have to restrict my portions of these because it's extremely easy to overindulge with these foods.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Hey, be fair now, eating correctly is expensive as hell. I spend like $70 a week on groceries. It almost kills me.
The focus on saturated fat in the diet has been shown to be pretty misguided. Recent reviews of all the trials and epidemiological data regarding saturated fat have shown little to no evidence that saturated fat consumption plays a role in developing CHD. As with salt, some people may be more sensitive to dietary saturated fat than the general population (those with 1 or 2 copies of the APOE4 allele). If you don't consume saturated fat, your body will just convert carbohydrate to palmitic acid, which is supposedly the worst SFA, anyway. Also, as long as EFAs are consumed in sufficient quantity (which is not a lot), lipid metabolism is normalized and saturated fat isn't really a problem.
Trans fats adversely affect almost everything when they are incorporated into the phospholipid bilayer of cell membranes. They've even been linked fairly convincingly to a host of behavioral issues, including increased aggression.
That's not a lot.
maximum360
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer-week-12.html
I have been loosely following the above program just for some motivation really. I don't do supplements and I'm not as strict on the diet (meaning I still drink skim milk, eat fruits, wheat bread, yogurt, nuts, etc). I was working out on my own for a couple months doing things like pushups, squats, etc. at home and working up to the weights again. I can see even a slight difference even after a couple of weeks. Really, the hardest part is the diet. It takes quite a bit of discipline. The only stinker is that I just strained my hamstring while playing football so my lower extremity workouts are on hold and so is most of the cardio for a week or two (at most). That just means I might have to push beyond the moderate cardio that's recommended and do HIIT on my non-weight training days to catch up. I should end the 12 weeks on my birthday so here's hoping it will be worth it.
I also modify the workouts. 50 weighted squats is just pure insanity (and several sets of it at that). I have a 3 day weight-training routine and 3-4 day cardio.
I have been loosely following the above program just for some motivation really. I don't do supplements and I'm not as strict on the diet (meaning I still drink skim milk, eat fruits, wheat bread, yogurt, nuts, etc). I was working out on my own for a couple months doing things like pushups, squats, etc. at home and working up to the weights again. I can see even a slight difference even after a couple of weeks. Really, the hardest part is the diet. It takes quite a bit of discipline. The only stinker is that I just strained my hamstring while playing football so my lower extremity workouts are on hold and so is most of the cardio for a week or two (at most). That just means I might have to push beyond the moderate cardio that's recommended and do HIIT on my non-weight training days to catch up. I should end the 12 weeks on my birthday so here's hoping it will be worth it.
I also modify the workouts. 50 weighted squats is just pure insanity (and several sets of it at that). I have a 3 day weight-training routine and 3-4 day cardio.
Again, I'd really recommend checking out the Fitness thread (if you haven't already) to get more streamlined answers instead of so many dissenting opinions:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431741
Deified Data
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GAF's collective response to threads like these tends to be along the lines of "she's not trying hard enough".
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Deleted member 17706
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A lot of people just love to simplify things and act like any given problem is due to someone's character defect or other fault. That's a big part of why the calories in/calories out + "move more, fatass!" mentality is so popular with people and caught on like it did. Doesn't get more simple than that.
With that said, there are plenty of responses in here that don't amount to that.
Deified Data
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Certainly. But these threads almost always devolve. Once someone broaches the subject that perhaps, maybe, there are weight-loss factors outside of one's control (i.e. genetics, medical conditions), a can of worms opens.
hydragonwarrior
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Scratch out cheese and reduce eggs to maybe 2-3 times a week (not every day).
Cheese should be saved as a dessert.
Next, she should just jog daily. Make sure she has good shoes. Jog with her whenver you can.
Cheese should be saved as a dessert.
Next, she should just jog daily. Make sure she has good shoes. Jog with her whenver you can.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Just for myself? In college I got away with about $40 a week, but that was all crap foods (Mac & Cheese, lot of tacos).
$70 a week, and coming out of the store with like 4 bags of stuff seems like a ton in comparison.
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Deleted member 17706
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Why to both of the bolded parts. Any good reason?
Personally, I eat a minimum of three eggs per day on most days.
Hahahahaha what is wrong with eggs and cheese?
eating more frequently isn't about keeping your metabolism high. Its about not getting hungry between meals and eating junk food and keeping yourself going throughout the day.
I know personally, if i only eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, i get fucking hungry around 10-11am, 2-4pm and 8-9pm and I also get tired after lunch. So i plan healthy snacks in between because if i don't the only things that are typically available to me at work is junk food.
Slayer-33
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Not to mention having more time to burn off the fractioned pieces of food you intake per day as opposed to eating a larger meal at tail ends of inactivity periods and not burning anything off.
SouthernDragon
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Dormatron?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yj8FQ0Z0OQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yj8FQ0Z0OQ
triplestation
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Sensitivity to carbs varies from person to person, yeah. But it's ridiculous to give it up entirely. Excess is bad. Reasonable amounts are good along with regular exercise. If you're an endomorph or mesomorph and you're eating huge amounts of bread it's no wonder you'll get thick.
SpinningBirdKick
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Train first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.
Eat your largest meal of the day 40 minutes after your training sessions ends.
Eat your 2nd meal 4 hours later.
Eat your final meal of the day 4 hours after that.
Less carbs, more protein. Lots of fluids.
Eat your largest meal of the day 40 minutes after your training sessions ends.
Eat your 2nd meal 4 hours later.
Eat your final meal of the day 4 hours after that.
Less carbs, more protein. Lots of fluids.
Even though my post will probably go unnoticed, I'd look into leangains/intermittent fasting.
I was struggling to lose weight for so long and intermittent fasting really did the trick for me.
Also, weight is gained through calories, as long as you have a caloric deficit each day, you will slowly lose weight (losses are more noticeable right away in those who are very overweight).
Try to aim for 1500 or less calories a day, eat whole, unprocessed foods, and go for a 30 minute walk each day, and you will gradually be in very good shape. A little muscle building isn't too bad of an idea either, since the less fat-free mass you have the better your metabolism is.
Honestly though, just eat less. Try intermittent fasting.
I was struggling to lose weight for so long and intermittent fasting really did the trick for me.
Also, weight is gained through calories, as long as you have a caloric deficit each day, you will slowly lose weight (losses are more noticeable right away in those who are very overweight).
Try to aim for 1500 or less calories a day, eat whole, unprocessed foods, and go for a 30 minute walk each day, and you will gradually be in very good shape. A little muscle building isn't too bad of an idea either, since the less fat-free mass you have the better your metabolism is.
Honestly though, just eat less. Try intermittent fasting.
ClassyPenguin
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I haven't really researched it but, it's odd to see that grains are now considered as evil as fats used to be. Especially coming from a Mediterranean culture that loves their breads and rice dishes.
Weight loss should be a long-term goal by eating better and in moderation and being more active. It shouldn't be a chore.
Etrian Oddity
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It's funny, but it's true. I went low-carb last summer and slimmed down quite a bit...
Anyways, eating healthy doesn't have to be that expensive in terms of grocery trips. I tend to average $40 a week, which is still a little more than I'd like to spend. I normally get a lean meat (sirloin tips, ground turkey, or fish), two or three vegetable options, and eggs at the bare minimum, with sundries taking up the rest of my cost.
You can eat healthy for real cheap by hitting up the produce section, though. A head of fresh romaine lettuce sets you back around $2 and lasts you for a whole week.
But it takes excess to create a problem in the first place.... The people who get the fattest are usually doing something way over the top, like drinking a whole two liter coke every day and eating a box of snack cakes... Stuff like that... Years and years of eating wrong has the potential to screw up the way your body responds to food (see insulin resistance and metabolic disorder.) As a result, you may need to go drastic in the opposite direction to get your body back in order. This isn't true for everybody. Some people can just switch to a slightly more reasonable way of eating, but the fattest people usually have the most screwed up insulin response.
To Far Away Times
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It takes a long time to gain weight, and a long time to lose it. Just gotta watch those calories, exercise and keep at it.
EnderWiggles
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HEY GUYZ MY GIRLFRIEND IS GUZZLING PEANUT BUTTER AND CHEESE AND SHE HASN'T LOST WEIGHT IN FIVE MINUTES WHAT IS SHE DOING WRONG KEEP IN MIND I'M GOING TO IGNORE ALL CONVENTIONAL ADVICE
ClassyPenguin
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oh no doubt, after years of being told that you should be eating 6 or more servings of grain a day, cutting back is obviously beneficial.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Was just going to say this. Come on, FallingEdge.
how do you eat 14-20 times per week off that though? Or do you eat a lot of meals out?
I just don't know how you make dinner every night if all you have is one lean meat and some veggies. Do you just have the same thing night after night?
I really need to start spend only $40/week at the grocery store, but I doubt I could once you figure in all the little things you need.
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