[James Sawyer Ford]

Worst GOTY 2011... Hey! Wait a second. This isn't a Skyrim Thread!

Bingo. Now that game was a massive disappointment.

[WinoMcCougarstein]

Some of the criticism Uncharted 3 has to endure is mind-boggling. I seriously can't understand what games you like if you call it a bad game. Uncharted 2 and 3 really is the pinnacle of cinematic action games.

You can still criticize a good game. UC3 is FAR from perfect.

[Stallion Free]

There weren't any standout GOTY's last year.

Portal 2 co-op.

[Satchel]

Why is it ok to openly troll Sony, and but people get banned for criticising other companies?

Lol. Stroll into a Halo thread right after a new Halo game is shown.

[Mxrz]

Eh. That's your opinion, i guess. I realized the other night while playing 3, that Uncharted has probably become one of my favorite series. Just something about it. I could see not liking it, but i don't see why you need a new thread just to bitch, when there's an OT and you aren't even 1/4th of the way through the game. Then calling it the worst 'game of the year' isn't helping that much.

Uncharted 3 was a great game but Uncharted 2 had set the bar.

Yep. loved 3, but 2 was just crazy.

I don't think you understand how message boards or discussions work.

Oh, there's plenty of bias all around. Its not like people suddenly become completely neutral when on an internet message board. It usually evens out. But not all games are equal, and there are some that would cause a much larger shitstorm if you were to pull such on.

[GeoramA]

People calling UC3 awful and terrible is downright hilarious. And the game plenty of memorable moments as well. The entire levels of The Chateau and Ship Graveyard were amazing. Escaping the cruise ship was awesome too.

[Reg]

The devs could have taken a bit more time with it, but nevertheless it's still good.

[Pachterballs]

It's just you. All 3 Uncharted games are some of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had. U3 included.

young drake had that ramp up; where the camera lags and you'd keep running into the side of the wall and get caught and die. I'm pretty sure he's referring to the YD chase.

the melee in 3 was worse
the shooting was off at the start
the overly touchy feelyness of the animation system

are all steps back.

yemen was great. as was syria.
but damn, if the desert isn't amazing
and the water level with all the dynamic surfaces. That was insanely great.
and the plane with its moving cover. and the cruise ship
atlantis of the sands was wasted as the level was too short :(

some cool stuff in 3.


UC4 for PS4 launch

[alr1ght]

Hey guys I watched the first 20 minutes of Pulp Fiction. Totally overrated, this movie sucks.

[Papercuts]

Game falls to shit in the second half, so you have a long road ahead if you already are let down. And yes, melee is wonky, and it never adds anything new. You will refight that big guy many times the exact same way.

Then again, I played it back when the controls weren't patched. I need to replay it someday to see if my opinion changes, but it's near the bottom of my list.

[WinoMcCougarstein]

Why is it ok to openly troll Sony, and but people get banned for criticising other companies? OP really needed to open a NEW thread to voice his displeasure? Guess I should start new threads for all the games i don't like too.

...Are you serious? Have you ever gone into a CoD thread? It's open season for trolls EVERY time.

[HyperBitHero]

Hey guys I watched the first 20 minutes of Pulp Fiction. Totally overrated, this movie sucks.

But the beginning of U3 was pretty good. It's only after you finish the game that all of the problems hit you.

[Net_Wrecker]

Game falls to shit in the second half, so you have a long road ahead if you already are let down. And yes, melee is wonky, and it never adds anything new. You will refight that big guy many times the exact same way. Then again, I played it back when the controls weren't patched. I need to replay it someday to see if my opinion changes, but it's near the bottom of my list.

The fixed aiming control changes nothing about how it feels to shoot people (feedback wise), the enemy placement, the enemy spawns, the bullet sponges, the godawful desert shootouts, the terribad ship graveyard, etc. etc. It just makes it easier to move the reticle diagonally, but the fundamental issues are still there.

[shira]

Game starts off amazing, halfway through it nosedives.

The bar fight? The kid scenes?

Anyone play this on max 3d?

[Pachterballs]

still, 2 uncharted3 threads in about a week is pretty good. pretty good indeed.

can't wait for GOTY edition; I'd like to play the nightmare mode DLC.

[gadwn]

You can still criticize a good game. UC3 is FAR from perfect.

Criticizing is not necessarily the same as calling something bad though. So uh, yeah. :P

And while i agree it's not perfect, the scope and ambition is far and beyond anything else in the industry. In my humble opinion.

[Pachterballs]

The new controls change nothing about how it feels to shoot people (feedback wise), the enemy placement, the enemy spawns, the bullet sponges, the godawful desert shootouts, the terribad ship graveyard, etc. etc. It just makes it easier to move the reticle diagonally, but the fundamental issues are still there.

nonsense. The fixed control fixes the shooting. makes the game quite fun. Its good when you feel in control of drake and you can snipe for shit.

[-tetsuo-]

It was decent at best. It took way too long to pic up, and when it did it wasn't even all that.

[Papercuts]

The fixed aiming control changes nothing about how it feels to shoot people (feedback wise), the enemy placement, the enemy spawns, the bullet sponges, the godawful desert shootouts, the terribad ship graveyard, etc. etc. It just makes it easier to move the reticle diagonally, but the fundamental issues are still there.

Yes, the garbage enemy placement is going to be prominent either way along with everything else you mentioned. I'm sure barely being able to control impacted that a lot, even though I still know the underlying issues can't be fixed. Still might atleast make me somewhat like the game compared to how I feel about it presently.

[Phoenician_Viking]

U3 was very inferior to U2, but it was still a decent game.

[Jigsaw]

it felt a bit rushed but the 2nd half was so good it made up for all the little flaws

like someone in the other thread said; it's not as good as uncharted 2,but what game is?

[Raonak]

nonsense. The fixed control fixes the shooting. makes the game quite fun. Its good when you feel in control of drake and you can snipe for shit.

I found U3 better than 2, but I have to agree that something about the shooting was off; mainly people didn't react much to getting shot like they did in U1/2.

made it far less satisfying.

[Lightning]

I personally found Uncharted 3 to be awesome. It was a fantastic game...

I can understand why some would think Uncharted 2 was better, I personally don't becaues I think Uncharted 3 is the best in the series, but i can understand why one would. But to even think this is a "terrible game" is insane and would make good games VERY hard to come by. The main flaw in UC3 were the enemes were bullet sponges and too many set pieces. Other than that, awesome game.

[Chinpoko_Master]

The main things that bothered me about Uncharted 3 were that parts of the story were left unresolved, there were events that did nothing to progress the story, and the villains were boring and lacked any clear motives other than just being "bad."

For instance, the whole relationship with Sully and Drake that is established early on when you play as young Drake made it seem that it would be somehow relevant later in the game, but it's not. The only time their relationship is "tested" is when Drake starts tripping balls and they fake you out with Sully's death. Then you discover that Sully is in fact, alive and it makes that entire sequence pointless.

In fact, many things in Uncharted 3 were completely pointless. The entire cruise ship set piece had no other purpose and did absolutely nothing to progress the story. You initially believe Sully is being held captive, but you discover that it was just a lie and before you know it, the entire ship has sunk and you magically end up back on the beach with no additional clues to Sully's whereabouts or any additional details that were relevant to the story other than "Your best friend is in another castle." The only purpose of the whole cruise ship sequence was spectacle.

The villains are underdeveloped as well. Seriously, what the fuck was their motive? They were trying to raise some magical pot from the bottom of the temple, to do what exactly? Contaminate the global water supply? Nothing was said and nothing was even implied.

Just writing this shit out is making me even more frustrated. Playing through the game a second time did nothing to help. In fact, it just reassured me that the story is badly written and makes no sense. Instead of writing the story around the set pieces, Naughty Dog should write the set pieces around the story. Maybe then we won't wind up with another Uncharted 3.

[NIGHT-]

Uncharted 3 is easily the worst of the series... It just took too many steps backwards and felt like an incomplete beta. The melee sucked, the shooting sucked.

[conman]

The chase sequence was terrible though. If I died more than 5 times on it... something is a bit off no?

This was where I turned off. Totally unforgivable. After so many high points in UC2, how could a garbage sequence like that possibly pass muster? Makes no sense.

The second half (post tanker) gets better. But by then it had fallen so far off the cliff that it couldn't right itself again. Finished the game, but I wasn't happy about it.

[sfedai0]

U3 was a guilty pleasure. I thought U2 was akin to a interactive movie. This was watching a movie.

[RyanardoDaVinci]

Fucking thing sucks.

Only good thing about it is its unbelievably great graphics. Everything else (controls, aiming, encounter design, pacing, story) is worse than even Drake's Fortune, and astronomically worse than Among Thieves.

...Crap story, bad gameplay, pretty graphics. But everything just felt disjointed, it's like they went for great set pieces before anything else.

That's exactly what they did; they came up with the set pieces, then tried to make everything fit around them.

[ConradCervantes]

It was a few steps below Uncharted 2, which is still a level most video games aspire to reach. I enjoyed it but didn't replay it again.

[Papercuts]

Fucking thing sucks. Only good thing about it is its unbelievably great graphics. Everything else (controls, aiming, encounter design, pacing, story) is worse than even Drake's Fortune, and astronomically worse than Among Thieves. That's exactly what they did; they came up with the set pieces, then tried to make everything fit around them.

Yup, which horribly failed on the cruise ship. Also, they apparently designed the set pieces visually first and gameplay second. Amazing looking, but the majority of enemy encounters are clusterfucks.

...not to mention they showed the big three in prerelease media, so the element of surprise was severely lessened.

[tiff]

So, you got to chapter 5 out of 22, and felt the urge to make a thread about how bad it is? What is it about people and ADD these days? How about finishing the game first?

Most games don't significantly improve in quality after the first few levels. After an hour or so you can be 99% sure you know how good a game is going to be.

Criticizing is not necessarily the same as calling something bad though. So uh, yeah. :P And while i agree it's not perfect, the scope and ambition is far and beyond anything else in the industry. In my humble opinion.

Scope and ambition are entirely separate from quality.

[chickdigger802]

Most games don't significantly improve in quality after the first few levels. After an hour or so you can be 99% sure you know how good a game is going to be. Scope and ambition are entirely separate from quality.

Well... to be fair, I think I've shot only like 5 dudes so far, which is usually a small % of the total kills in an Uncharted game.

[Zeer0id]

As I've said a multitude of times in an assortment of threads, I cannot make a sound decision about which of Uncharted 2 and 3 I prefer. Each has strengths and weaknesses, relative to the other. The only thing I can say with a certainty is that Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is the weakest of the three.

Uncharted 2

- Story cohesion
- Character development
- Shooting setpieces
- Opening sequence


Uncharted 3

- Story ambition
- Pacing and variety
- Cinematic setpieces
- Puzzle design
- End section / boss (more a case of U2's simply being not good at all)

[Schnei871]

It's just you. All 3 Uncharted games are some of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had. U3 included.

Yep just you. I loved that part

[Croc]

Totally agree. I was mostly okay with things...until I got to the pirate ship/ship graveyard. Story is lame and half-baked, setpieces of the sake of them, barely any flow, lame villain etc etc. It was a backstep in every way from Uncharted 2.

I got through the ship graveyard and I haven't managed to get back to the game since then (a couple months ago). I really hated it. It felt like just a chore to play through and was totally not fun at all.

I plan on finishing it at some point but ugh that just wore me out for the time being.

[raziel]

for anyone trying to parse UC3 criticism:

"bad encounter design"

"drags"

"ship graveyard sucks"

"cruise ship sucks"

"second half of game sucks"


= too hard

[HyperBitHero]

Uncharted 3 - Pacing and variety

C'mon son.

[UrbanRats]

Uncharted 3 is awful. I did this video on how bad Talbot is written. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5OA0QKEFQ

Good one, the point made on the chase scene can be applied to most of the game and it's probably the biggest problem, for me.
Uncharted 3 feels very disjointed and every scene feels like it's there just because it's cool, but also kinda out of place with the rest of the game.
Whether they used the same method with Uncharted 2 or not, it didn't gave me this impression as much, and it all flowed much better (with a better pacing, too).

[hamchan]

Also... is it just me or is the melee thingy in this game kinda terrible? It tries to do the Assbro and batman thing... but it kinda doesn't work due to jank. .

Nope it's not just you. It's a horrible system, the feeling exacerbated by having played Arkham City right before this game. The melee system in UC2 where you kill guys quickly was much better.

[Zeer0id]

C'mon son.

Nope, 3's pacing and variety are better. The platforming and shooting were better interspersed with new types of gameplay such as the much expanded upon "chase" sequences, melee brawls which I enjoyed quite a bit, and of course the desert thing which was fantastic (IMO). There were very few times in U3 where I ever felt like "ugh when will the shooting stop"; this happened far more often in U2.

[reptilescorpio]

Really? I thought it was great. Not quite as good as Uncharted 3 and not my favorite of the year (maybe 3rd or 4th actually) but a damn good game and very glad to have paid full price, day one for it.

[RyanardoDaVinci]

for anyone trying to parse UC3 criticism: "bad encounter design" "drags" "ship graveyard sucks" "cruise ship sucks" "second half of game sucks" = too hard

Ahh, there it is. I was wondering when the "weaksuace" argument would come up...

I've platinumed all 3, thank you very much.

[Zeer0id]

for anyone trying to parse UC3 criticism: "ship graveyard sucks" "cruise ship sucks"

Haha, I actually loved these parts. Ship graveyard was challenging, but it felt designed to have you hunt down the power weapons and control the gun turrets. I quickly learned that simply hopping from cover-to-cover wasn't going to cut it in this sequence, which I assume is the problem most people had. I haven't played it on Crushing yet, but I did a Hard first playthrough and didn't find the game especially difficult. Usually it was just a matter of figuring out how best to handle the situations you were put in.

[Allonym]

I thought initially that it paled in comparison to U2 but once you get to the ship graveyard, the game just takes off and is great and nearly matches U2. I think people are overly critical of the game just to be so. I mean people honestly call this game "trash, garbage or disappointing" but mention Skyrim as being goty in the same breath...? Please, give me a break. I can see the game being found disappointing if you don't taper your expectations and readily compare it to U2 but beyond that it is truly great!

[raziel]

Ahh, there it is. I was wondering when the "weaksuace" argument would come up... I've platinumed all 3, thank you very much.

well its there isnt it? go back and read the negative impressions/comments, in this thread or in any about UC3. the subject of the game's difficulty almost always underlies every one - when its not freely admitted. and it isnt always, thus you get things like "bad encounter design." again, the easiest test is when they say the game turned mid-way or at the ship graveyard (where the game starts to actually bring some challenge to the table).

[LuchaShaq]

If the uncharted series had 90% less enemies/combat in general they would be some of my favorite games of this generation....if they also cut out the bad supernatural shit they always plop into the punch bowl as well.

Never found the combat hard, just never found it on on either the harder or easier difficulty settings.

[Papercuts]

for anyone trying to parse UC3 criticism: "bad encounter design" "drags" "ship graveyard sucks" "cruise ship sucks" "second half of game sucks" = too hard

I beat UC2 on Crushing pretty smoothly, and am perfectly fine with difficult games in general. I just picked up Vanquish and am getting my ass beat(starting on hard of course), but I'm having a great time, while UC3 would just frustrate me as I died to complete nonsense. "Too hard" can be bad when it's cheaply done, such as the sandstorm shooting segment. Visual imparement on the player, but the enemies all PERFECTLY see you. That is poor game design. The ballroom fight throws everything and the kitchen sink at you, with snipers that force you to constantly roll, shit exploding(and you can get stuck in the stumble animation and get killed with no chance of retaliation), etc.

Nope, 3's pacing and variety are better. The platforming and shooting were better interspersed with new types of gameplay such as the much expanded upon "chase" sequences, melee brawls which I enjoyed quite a bit, and of course the desert thing which was fantastic (IMO). There were very few times in U3 where I ever felt like "ugh when will the shooting stop"; this happened far more often in U2.

I disagree. UC2 balanced this well, having explosive setpieces like the train followed by the stroll through the town and the pure platforming/puzzle ice cavern. Then the monastary is a great mix of shooting, traversal while shooting, pure traversal, and puzzles mixed in.

UC3 has ZERO puzzles after...I forget, chapter 12 or so? Once you get past that it is pure shooting(with poorly designed encounters) with some traversal, but nothing mixed as well as UC2. Boring 10 minute hold forward trudge through the desert was the only break from ACTION.

[hamchan]

well its there isnt it? go back and read the negative impressions/comments, in this thread or in any about UC3. the subject of the game's difficulty almost always underlies every one - when its not freely admitted. and it isnt always, thus you get things like "bad encounter design." again, the easiest test is when they say the game turned mid-way or at the ship graveyard (where the game starts to actually bring some challenge to the table).

I have beaten both UC2 and UC3 on crushing difficulty. UC3 does have bad encounter design.

[UrbanRats]

If the uncharted series had 90% less enemies/combat in general they would be some of my favorite games of this generation....if they also cut out the bad supernatural shit they always plop into the punch bowl as well. Never found the combat hard, just never found it on on either the harder or easier difficulty settings.

With that shit platforming and worthless puzzles? At least the shooting mechanics are good.

[NIGHT-]

Why is it ok to openly troll Sony, and but people get banned for criticising other companies? OP really needed to open a NEW thread to voice his displeasure? Guess I should start new threads for all the games i don't like too.

If anything, Sony exclusives get too much slack on this forum. Go into any Microsoft exclusive thread.